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17:04:21 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
17:05:51 <jamesn> zakim, David_Todd is Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:05:51 <Zakim> sorry, jamesn, I do not recognize a party named 'David_Todd'
17:06:00 <MichaelC> zakim, IPcaller.a is Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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17:06:05 <MichaelC> zakim, IPcaller is Adam_Solomon
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17:06:09 <MichaelC> zakim, Joseph is David_Todd
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17:06:30 <jamesn> zakim, who is on the call?
17:06:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_Todd, Adam_Solomon, James_Nurthen, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Marc_Johlic, Cooper, Bruce_Bailey
17:13:41 <Loretta> scribe:Loretta
17:15:54 <Loretta> Topic: Proposed new ARIA/WCAG techique [Using aria-describdby and alert for Error Feedback in Forms]
17:17:00 <Loretta> Tim isn't at the meeting. This is an early draft, which is fine, especially while we are learing to write techniques
17:17:54 <Loretta> Recommend just using HTML, not HTML5 specifically, for ARIA techniques.
17:18:34 <Loretta> JN: The group is reviewing the comments in the survey.
17:19:15 <Loretta> LGR: Is there anything in the comments that we don't think Tim should act on?
17:20:21 <Loretta> Resolution: Leave open.
17:21:19 <Loretta> MJ: Difference between how to use attributes vs how to address technique?
17:26:16 <Loretta> BB: Is the use of alt="" with required attribute legitimate? Does this meet 1.1.1?
17:26:54 <Loretta> LGR: We may need a separate 1.1.1 technique if we think this is ok.
17:28:02 <Loretta> Topic: Using the HTML5 required attribute to indicate that a value is required in an input field.
17:28:38 <Loretta> DT: Comments are looking familiar! Will go back and review to be sure that comments have been addressed.
17:28:55 <Loretta> DT: Updated technique this morning, so comments may be on an older version.
17:29:02 <Loretta> AS: My comments are current.
17:30:51 <Loretta> JN: Could we move this technique from the Trace wiki to the W3C wiki?
17:31:05 <Loretta> JN: See link at the top of the Trace wiki main page.
17:31:18 <Loretta> JN: Or at least create future techniques there.
17:33:15 <Loretta> JN: Should we try to revise and review this on the fly?
17:34:02 <MichaelC> please use this URL for the technique on the WCAG wiki: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA/Using_aria-describedby_and_alert_for_Error_Feedback_in_Forms
17:44:21 <Loretta> JN: What versions of what browsers support HTML5?
17:45:03 <Loretta> JN: We can put that information into Technology Notes for HTML5, and just note anything that is specific to the technique in the User Agent Notes.
17:45:31 <DavidTodd> Using the html5 required attribute to validate (or "describe") a required input field
17:48:04 <MichaelC> please use this URL for the technique on the WCAG wiki: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA/Using_the_required_attribute_to_indicate_a_required_input_field
17:49:47 <jamesn> DavidTodd, User Agent testing notes can be found here - http://john.foliot.ca/required-inputs/
17:51:51 <jamesn> AS: Should test procedures check all instances or just one?
17:52:06 <jamesn> AS: What about consistency?
17:52:40 <jamesn> LGR: Note sure we have always been consistent. Suggest going forward not to make the test procedure check all
17:53:09 <jamesn> DT: do we want to mention specific browsers in the user agent notes?
17:53:59 <jamesn> JN: Yes - where the user agent notes are more specific than general user agent notes.
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17:56:17 <Loretta> David will research browser behavior for user agent notes and bring the technique back for review.
17:56:24 <Loretta> Otherwise, we think it looks fine.
17:57:03 <Loretta> MJ: Going back to Adam's comments about browsers, will there be something about general browser behavior in the description?
17:57:15 <Loretta> JN: Both is fine, in my opinion.
17:58:36 <Loretta> JN: In this case, there are 2 different UA behaviors in the description: browser rendering and screen reader behavior.
17:58:42 <DavidTodd> Sorry, have to drop off to get to another call.
17:59:02 <Loretta> MJ: Trying to decide how focused to keep techniques.
17:59:34 <Loretta> JN: Who can't make next week's call, besides James and Michael? Josh will run the call.
18:00:07 <Zakim> -David_Todd
18:00:13 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
18:00:20 <MichaelC> meeting: HTML Techniques Task Force
18:00:50 <MichaelC> chair: James_Nurthen
18:01:07 <MichaelC> zakim, list attendees
18:01:07 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Joseph_Scheuhammer, James_Nurthen, Marc_Johlic, Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Adam_Solomon, David_Todd
18:01:14 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
18:01:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/27-html-techs-tf-minutes.html MichaelC
18:08:39 <Zakim> -Cooper
18:08:41 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
18:08:43 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
18:08:45 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
18:08:45 <Zakim> WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM has ended
18:08:45 <Zakim> Attendees were Joseph_Scheuhammer, James_Nurthen, Marc_Johlic, Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Adam_Solomon, David_Todd
19:19:47 <MichaelC> rrsagent, bye
19:19:47 <RRSAgent> I see no action items