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15:56:24 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
15:56:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:56:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
15:56:28 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
15:56:29 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference
15:56:29 <trackbot> Date: 22 February 2012
15:56:46 <aphillip> Chair:   Addison Phillips
15:56:50 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
15:56:54 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillips
15:57:08 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012Feb/0014.html
15:57:13 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
15:57:57 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:57:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:58:16 <aphillip> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
15:58:27 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:58:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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16:00:12 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
16:00:12 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
16:00:30 <aphillip> zakim, code?
16:00:30 <Zakim> the conference code is 4186 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), aphillip
16:00:43 <masinter> zakim, who is here?
16:00:43 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has not yet started, masinter
16:00:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, masinter, andrewc, fsasaki, r12a, kojiishi, trackbot
16:01:24 <aphillip> zakim, this is I18N
16:01:29 <Zakim> ok, aphillip; that matches I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM
16:01:43 <r12a> zakim, who's noisy?
16:01:45 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
16:01:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see Masinter, [Microsoft], ??P8, Richard, [IPcaller], Addison_Phillips, ??P19
16:01:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, masinter, andrewc, fsasaki, r12a, kojiishi, trackbot
16:01:57 <Zakim> r12a, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P8 (64%), Addison_Phillips (9%), ??P19 (9%)
16:01:59 <Zakim> -??P19
16:02:01 <Zakim> +??P22
16:02:03 <Norbert> Norbert has joined #i18n
16:02:14 <kojiishi> zakim, ??p22 is me
16:02:16 <Zakim> +kojiishi; got it
16:02:18 <aphillip> zakim, ??P22 is kojiishi
16:02:21 <Zakim> I already had ??P22 as kojiishi, aphillip
16:02:25 <Zakim> +??P24
16:02:40 <Zakim> +Norbert
16:02:47 <matial> zakim, ??P8 is me
16:02:47 <Zakim> +matial; got it
16:02:57 <aphillip> zakim, [Microsoft] is Gwyneth
16:02:58 <Zakim> +Gwyneth; got it
16:03:24 <r12a> zakim, who's noisy?
16:03:34 <Zakim> r12a, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Masinter (4%), matial (98%)
16:03:51 <matial> I did
16:04:01 <matial> is it better now?
16:04:51 <aphillip> Topic: Minutes/Agenda
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16:06:21 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
16:06:30 <Zakim> +joconner
16:07:21 <stpeter> "the conference is full, no more parties can be added at this time"
16:07:30 <aphillip> addison: mentions the ecmascript unicode proposal
16:07:44 <r12a> zakim, mute joconner
16:07:44 <Zakim> joconner should now be muted
16:07:50 <r12a> http://rishida.net/blog/?p=831
16:07:50 <r12a> [11:27] r12a: ** Google added support for the new translate=no feature in HTML5 to their online service yesterday afternoon - since Microsoft already supported it, that gives good coverage
16:07:50 <r12a> [11:27] r12a: ** Google also added support for the translate attribute to Webkit/Chromium
16:08:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:08:57 <fsasaki> yeah!
16:10:29 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: extend number of ports for I18N call to 15
16:10:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-101 - Extend number of ports for I18N call to 15 [on Addison Phillips - due 2012-02-29].
16:10:59 <aphillip> norbert: thread on ecmascript unicode
16:11:09 <Norbert> es-discuss discussion thread on full Unicode in ECMAScript:
16:11:11 <Norbert> https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/es-discuss/2012-February/thread.html#20627
16:11:57 <aphillip> richard: turning ruby wiki into note format
16:12:03 <aphillip> ... but not complete yet
16:12:55 <r12a> zakim, who's here ?
16:12:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Masinter, Gwyneth, matial, Richard, andrewc, Addison_Phillips, kojiishi, fsasaki (muted), Norbert, joconner (muted)
16:12:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see stpeter, joconner, Norbert, matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, masinter, andrewc, fsasaki, r12a, kojiishi, trackbot
16:13:00 <joconner> i think i've been muted, but in separate place
16:13:14 <r12a> zakim, room for 16?
16:13:16 <Zakim> ok, r12a; conference Team_(i18n)16:13Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 1713Z; however, please note that capacity is now overbooked
16:13:57 <Zakim> -Masinter
16:13:58 <Zakim> -fsasaki
16:14:00 <Zakim> -andrewc
16:14:01 <Zakim> -Gwyneth
16:14:01 <Zakim> -Addison_Phillips
16:14:02 <Zakim> -Norbert
16:14:03 <Zakim> -kojiishi
16:14:08 <Zakim> -joconner
16:14:40 <aphillip> zakim, this is CONF1
16:14:40 <Zakim> aphillip, this was I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM
16:14:41 <Zakim> ok, aphillip; that matches Team_(i18n)16:13Z
16:14:42 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:14:49 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
16:14:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P1, Norbert, Masinter, Addison_Phillips, [IPcaller]
16:14:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see stpeter, joconner, Norbert, matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, masinter, andrewc, fsasaki, r12a, kojiishi, trackbot
16:14:59 <aphillip> zakim, I am Addison_Phillips
16:14:59 <Zakim> ok, aphillip, I now associate you with Addison_Phillips
16:15:00 <Zakim> +Richard
16:15:07 <aphillip> zakim, [IPcaller] is andrewc
16:15:07 <Zakim> +andrewc; got it
16:15:28 <kojiishi> zakim, ??p1 is me
16:15:28 <Zakim> +kojiishi; got it
16:15:37 <Zakim> +joconner
16:15:40 <Zakim> +??P25
16:16:04 <Zakim> + +1.303.308.aaaa
16:17:43 <r12a> telephone number is +1 617 761 6200 and you need passcode 26631
16:17:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:18:05 <matial> yes, but I when I join #26631, I am the only attendee
16:18:42 <matial> I see, it's  a new PHONE conf
16:18:53 <matial> But where is the IRC?
16:19:13 <matial> THanks
16:19:53 <aphillip> Topic: IRI Progress
16:20:18 <aphillip> Larry: one of the core parts of the web is the URI
16:20:30 <aphillip> ... and these used to be ascii only
16:20:43 <aphillip> ... and over 20 years have worked on that
16:20:54 <aphillip> ... the IRI Wg in IETF is revising it
16:21:06 <aphillip> ... current revision work is about 2 - 2.5 years old
16:21:17 <aphillip> ... to bring in line with actual implementatin practice
16:21:21 <aphillip> ... and other needed revisions
16:21:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:21:31 <Zakim> +??P8
16:21:46 <matial> zakim, ??p8 is me
16:21:46 <Zakim> +matial; got it
16:22:04 <masinter> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/charters
16:22:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:22:30 <masinter> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/
16:22:46 <aphillip> Larry: status now is...
16:22:57 <aphillip> ... 3987bis is the core spec
16:23:11 <aphillip> ... and 4395 is the procedure for registering a new scheme
16:23:30 <aphillip> ... and there was confusion about registration between URI and IRI schemes
16:23:38 <aphillip> ... so clarify that registration is for both
16:24:01 <aphillip> Larry: along the way, to simplify 3987, we split out two parts
16:24:06 <aphillip> ... one was "comparisons"
16:24:13 <masinter> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/draft-ietf-iri-comparison/
16:24:21 <aphillip> ... now a draft of its own
16:24:24 <masinter> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/draft-ietf-iri-bidi-guidelines/
16:24:29 <aphillip> ... and the other is bidi guidelines
16:24:37 <aphillip> ... which we thought required separate review
16:24:42 <aphillip> ... (link above)
16:24:50 <aphillip> Larry: trying to get these things "out of the way"
16:25:12 <aphillip> ... and think that I18N WG for focused review of these documents, it would help greatly
16:25:30 <aphillip> Larry: please review our documents, look at open issues
16:25:33 <masinter> also look at open issues in tracker: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/trac/report/1
16:25:48 <aphillip> Larry: there is an IETF in Paris in late March
16:25:56 <aphillip> ... want to have revised versions before then
16:26:01 <aphillip> ... close to last-call worthy documents
16:27:16 <aphillip> addison: (outlines our cadence)
16:27:28 <aphillip> peter: submission cutoff is 12 March
16:29:01 <aphillip> larry: IRI WG session schedules for 30 march
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16:30:57 <aphillip> addison: so all four documents?
16:31:02 <Mike5> Zakim, call Mike
16:31:02 <Zakim> ok, Mike5; the call is being made
16:31:04 <Zakim> +Mike
16:31:12 <aphillip> larry: look over comparison document in particular
16:31:35 <aphillip> ... we have adil allawi offering to contrib to bidi document
16:31:45 <aphillip> ... comparison hasn't received much attention
16:31:50 <aphillip> ... look at 3987bis
16:32:25 <aphillip> ... documents are "very ripe"
16:33:34 <masinter> please look at open tickets http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/trac/report/1
16:33:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:34:56 <masinter> i suggest you look at comparison
16:34:58 <aphillip> richard: stack rank the docs
16:35:16 <aphillip> peter: look at 3987bis is first?
16:35:55 <masinter> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/trac/ticket/96
16:35:55 <aphillip> larry: since we're updating comparison and bidi
16:36:05 <aphillip> ... and haven't had a lot of focus on comparison
16:36:11 <aphillip> ... so maybe getting comments there?
16:36:24 <aphillip> ... and there is a ticket about normalization/canonicalization
16:36:52 <masinter> comparison ... not because it's most important, but for next week
16:37:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:38:00 <aphillip> larry: please look at ticket 96 (link above) when reviewing comparison
16:38:26 <aphillip> john: prioritization is 3987bis?
16:38:36 <aphillip> ... and a list of things to focus on in 3987bis?
16:38:56 <aphillip> larry: all docs need review
16:39:19 <masinter> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/trac/report/1
16:39:33 <aphillip> larry: list of issues in the tracker (link above) on various components
16:39:43 <aphillip> ... categorized by document
16:39:55 <aphillip> ... IRI processing is another "component" in the tracker
16:40:23 <masinter> and eventually look at bidi once we hear from adil or perhaps he needs help
16:40:30 <Mike5> the s/IRI/URL/ processing draft is at http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/url/raw-file/default/Overview.html
16:42:05 <aphillip> addison: will use our tracker to create issues and copy to your tracker as we make them "official"
16:42:28 <Zakim> -Masinter
16:42:38 <aphillip> Topic: Ruby Discussion
16:43:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:43:21 <aphillip> richard: discuss last week we decided to convert current wiki to a Note
16:43:36 <aphillip> ... and then develop "spec" that was focused
16:43:49 <aphillip> ... and we need support from implementations as we go forward
16:44:03 <aphillip> ... and get implementation support in browsers to demonstrate support
16:44:17 <aphillip> ... and here is some "spec" text for the editor to use or reference
16:44:45 <aphillip> ... the "spec" can be developed under HTMLWG or as "note" status document in this WG
16:45:09 <aphillip> ... maybe doesn't make a lot of sense to have HTML5, Ruby annotation spec, and this thing
16:45:18 <aphillip> ... so a "Note" status document is probably sufficient
16:45:24 <aphillip> ... so can be done here
16:45:36 <aphillip> richard: koji had questions about how to involve implementers
16:45:40 <aphillip> ... sought advice from Mike
16:46:36 <aphillip> koji: agree with richard
16:46:47 <aphillip> richard: also question of editor
16:46:52 <aphillip> ... koji volunteerd
16:47:00 <aphillip> ... and Mike will seek helpers
16:47:24 <aphillip> koji: roland is possibly interested, but needs manager okay
16:47:36 <aphillip> ... not sure if he has time
16:47:46 <aphillip> ... doesn't have okay from manager yet
16:47:58 <aphillip> richard: any suggestions/advice?
16:48:13 <aphillip> Mike: had some email discussion, but...
16:48:29 <aphillip> ... over-reliance on Ian to spec stuff out
16:48:52 <aphillip> ... and if Ian does spec it, it may still not get iplement
16:48:58 <aphillip> s/iplement/implement/
16:49:41 <aphillip> Mike: Ian not in agreement with extending
16:52:42 <aphillip> addison: (summarizes our status/understanding)
16:53:53 <aphillip> addison: reminder of W3C IP policy
16:55:33 <aphillip> Mike: need to get a draft done and work espcially with Microsoft
16:55:47 <aphillip> ... get editor's draft and FPWD soon
16:55:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:56:33 <aphillip> richard: discuss on CJK list and invite HTML folks there?
16:56:38 <aphillip> ... or establish a task force?
16:57:01 <aphillip> richard: suggest get people to join CJK list?
17:00:11 <aphillip> Mike: already in HTML-WG charter
17:01:15 <Mike5> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:01:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html Mike5
17:01:20 <aphillip> koji: still want to know how we get people involved
17:02:10 <aphillip> Mike: main person is Adrian Bateman
17:02:36 <aphillip> ... lots of IE folks, but Adrian is kind of the "go to" person to faciliate discussions 
17:03:09 <aphillip> ... will provide contact info
17:03:48 <r12a> Google, Ryosuke Niwa maybe
17:06:17 <aphillip> ...
17:06:21 <kojiishi> Maybe takano-san at Apple?
17:06:43 <aphillip> naoki takano?
17:06:51 <kojiishi> I found, Takumi Takano
17:07:06 <aphillip> richard: also FF, etc.
17:07:18 <aphillip> ... hajime did an add-on to FF
17:07:31 <aphillip> koji: actually need someone from mozilla
17:07:46 <aphillip> mike: talk to john daggett
17:07:59 <aphillip> ... still involved although not doing layout stuff
17:08:12 <aphillip> richard: talk to chaals for opera
17:08:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
17:08:50 <Mike5> maybe Naoki Takano <takano@apple.com>
17:09:20 <aphillip> koji: will try to reach takano-san, someone in google
17:09:34 <aphillip> ... Mike, can you contact MS and Mozilla?
17:09:50 <aphillip> Mike: will contact Adrian and cc: richard
17:10:04 <aphillip> richard: also copy koji and addison
17:10:22 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
17:10:39 <Zakim> -fsasaki
17:10:40 <aphillip> peter: is there feedback on URL processing from Adam?
17:11:00 <aphillip> Mike: adam not actively working on URL processing at this time
17:11:22 <aphillip> ... work with Anne von Kesteren on it
17:11:37 <aphillip> ... Anne and I will work on that document in the future on it
17:11:45 <aphillip> ... first thing is examine existing test cases
17:12:04 <aphillip> ... and figure out difference in performance betwen browsers
17:12:13 <aphillip> ... also some material from Chris Weber
17:12:24 <aphillip> ... just need to decide on something, despite diffs in browsers
17:12:41 <aphillip> peter: we will look to you for answers on test cases
17:13:01 <aphillip> mike: will start talking in the next couple weeks to Anne
17:13:11 <aphillip> peter: keep Chris Weber in loop; might have cycles
17:13:33 <aphillip> mike: will contact in the enxt week
17:13:40 <Mike5> thanks everybody
17:14:15 <joconner> thanks addison.
17:14:17 <Zakim> -Mike
17:14:19 <Zakim> -joconner
17:14:21 <Zakim> -kojiishi
17:14:21 <Zakim> -stpeter
17:14:22 <Zakim> -Addison_Phillips
17:14:22 <Zakim> -Norbert
17:14:25 <Zakim> -Richard
17:14:29 <Zakim> -andrewc
17:14:32 <aphillip> addison: will send pointers to IRI documents
17:14:37 <aphillip> ... please review for next week!
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17:14:47 <aphillip> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:14:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
17:15:00 <aphillip> zakim, bye
17:15:00 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Norbert, Masinter, Addison_Phillips, Richard, andrewc, kojiishi, joconner, fsasaki, +1.303.308.aaaa, stpeter, matial, Mike
17:15:00 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
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17:15:57 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, Andrew, Mati, Felix, John, Koji, Norbert, Larry Masinter, Peter St. Andre, Mike Smith
17:16:19 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
17:16:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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