IRC log of i18n on 2012-02-22

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-irc
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trackbot, prepare teleconference
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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 4186
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ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 22 February 2012
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Chair: Addison Phillips
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Scribe: Addison Phillips
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ScribeNick: aphillips
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012Feb/0014.html
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ScribeNick: aphillip
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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rrsagent, set logs world-visible
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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16:00:12 [r12a]
zakim, dial richard please
16:00:12 [Zakim]
ok, r12a; the call is being made
16:00:30 [aphillip]
zakim, code?
16:00:30 [Zakim]
the conference code is 4186 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), aphillip
16:00:43 [masinter]
zakim, who is here?
16:00:43 [Zakim]
I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has not yet started, masinter
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On IRC I see matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, masinter, andrewc, fsasaki, r12a, kojiishi, trackbot
16:01:24 [aphillip]
zakim, this is I18N
16:01:29 [Zakim]
ok, aphillip; that matches I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM
16:01:43 [r12a]
zakim, who's noisy?
16:01:45 [aphillip]
zakim, who is here?
16:01:47 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Masinter, [Microsoft], ??P8, Richard, [IPcaller], Addison_Phillips, ??P19
16:01:51 [Zakim]
On IRC I see matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, masinter, andrewc, fsasaki, r12a, kojiishi, trackbot
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r12a, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P8 (64%), Addison_Phillips (9%), ??P19 (9%)
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-??P19
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+??P22
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zakim, ??p22 is me
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+kojiishi; got it
16:02:18 [aphillip]
zakim, ??P22 is kojiishi
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I already had ??P22 as kojiishi, aphillip
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+??P24
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+Norbert
16:02:47 [matial]
zakim, ??P8 is me
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+matial; got it
16:02:57 [aphillip]
zakim, [Microsoft] is Gwyneth
16:02:58 [Zakim]
+Gwyneth; got it
16:03:24 [r12a]
zakim, who's noisy?
16:03:34 [Zakim]
r12a, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Masinter (4%), matial (98%)
16:03:51 [matial]
I did
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is it better now?
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Topic: Minutes/Agenda
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Topic: Info Share
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+joconner
16:07:21 [stpeter]
"the conference is full, no more parties can be added at this time"
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addison: mentions the ecmascript unicode proposal
16:07:44 [r12a]
zakim, mute joconner
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joconner should now be muted
16:07:50 [r12a]
http://rishida.net/blog/?p=831
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[11:27] r12a: ** Google added support for the new translate=no feature in HTML5 to their online service yesterday afternoon - since Microsoft already supported it, that gives good coverage
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[11:27] r12a: ** Google also added support for the translate attribute to Webkit/Chromium
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:08:57 [fsasaki]
yeah!
16:10:29 [aphillip]
ACTION: addison: extend number of ports for I18N call to 15
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Created ACTION-101 - Extend number of ports for I18N call to 15 [on Addison Phillips - due 2012-02-29].
16:10:59 [aphillip]
norbert: thread on ecmascript unicode
16:11:09 [Norbert]
es-discuss discussion thread on full Unicode in ECMAScript:
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https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/es-discuss/2012-February/thread.html#20627
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richard: turning ruby wiki into note format
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... but not complete yet
16:12:55 [r12a]
zakim, who's here ?
16:12:55 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Masinter, Gwyneth, matial, Richard, andrewc, Addison_Phillips, kojiishi, fsasaki (muted), Norbert, joconner (muted)
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On IRC I see stpeter, joconner, Norbert, matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, masinter, andrewc, fsasaki, r12a, kojiishi, trackbot
16:13:00 [joconner]
i think i've been muted, but in separate place
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zakim, room for 16?
16:13:16 [Zakim]
ok, r12a; conference Team_(i18n)16:13Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 1713Z; however, please note that capacity is now overbooked
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-Masinter
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-fsasaki
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-andrewc
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-Gwyneth
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-Addison_Phillips
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-Norbert
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-kojiishi
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-joconner
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zakim, this is CONF1
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aphillip, this was I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM
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ok, aphillip; that matches Team_(i18n)16:13Z
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+[IPcaller]
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see ??P1, Norbert, Masinter, Addison_Phillips, [IPcaller]
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On IRC I see stpeter, joconner, Norbert, matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, masinter, andrewc, fsasaki, r12a, kojiishi, trackbot
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zakim, I am Addison_Phillips
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ok, aphillip, I now associate you with Addison_Phillips
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+Richard
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zakim, [IPcaller] is andrewc
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+andrewc; got it
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zakim, ??p1 is me
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+kojiishi; got it
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+joconner
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+??P25
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+ +1.303.308.aaaa
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telephone number is +1 617 761 6200 and you need passcode 26631
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:18:05 [matial]
yes, but I when I join #26631, I am the only attendee
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I see, it's a new PHONE conf
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But where is the IRC?
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THanks
16:19:53 [aphillip]
Topic: IRI Progress
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Larry: one of the core parts of the web is the URI
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... and these used to be ascii only
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... and over 20 years have worked on that
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... the IRI Wg in IETF is revising it
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... current revision work is about 2 - 2.5 years old
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... to bring in line with actual implementatin practice
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... and other needed revisions
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:21:31 [Zakim]
+??P8
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zakim, ??p8 is me
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+matial; got it
16:22:04 [masinter]
http://tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/charters
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:22:30 [masinter]
http://tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/
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Larry: status now is...
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... 3987bis is the core spec
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... and 4395 is the procedure for registering a new scheme
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... and there was confusion about registration between URI and IRI schemes
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... so clarify that registration is for both
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Larry: along the way, to simplify 3987, we split out two parts
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... one was "comparisons"
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http://tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/draft-ietf-iri-comparison/
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... now a draft of its own
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http://tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/draft-ietf-iri-bidi-guidelines/
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... and the other is bidi guidelines
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... which we thought required separate review
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... (link above)
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Larry: trying to get these things "out of the way"
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... and think that I18N WG for focused review of these documents, it would help greatly
16:25:30 [aphillip]
Larry: please review our documents, look at open issues
16:25:33 [masinter]
also look at open issues in tracker: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/trac/report/1
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Larry: there is an IETF in Paris in late March
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... want to have revised versions before then
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... close to last-call worthy documents
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addison: (outlines our cadence)
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peter: submission cutoff is 12 March
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larry: IRI WG session schedules for 30 march
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addison: so all four documents?
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Zakim, call Mike
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ok, Mike5; the call is being made
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+Mike
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larry: look over comparison document in particular
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... we have adil allawi offering to contrib to bidi document
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... comparison hasn't received much attention
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... look at 3987bis
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... documents are "very ripe"
16:33:34 [masinter]
please look at open tickets http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/trac/report/1
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:34:56 [masinter]
i suggest you look at comparison
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richard: stack rank the docs
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peter: look at 3987bis is first?
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http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/trac/ticket/96
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larry: since we're updating comparison and bidi
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... and haven't had a lot of focus on comparison
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... so maybe getting comments there?
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... and there is a ticket about normalization/canonicalization
16:36:52 [masinter]
comparison ... not because it's most important, but for next week
16:37:06 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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larry: please look at ticket 96 (link above) when reviewing comparison
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john: prioritization is 3987bis?
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... and a list of things to focus on in 3987bis?
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larry: all docs need review
16:39:19 [masinter]
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/iri/trac/report/1
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larry: list of issues in the tracker (link above) on various components
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... categorized by document
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... IRI processing is another "component" in the tracker
16:40:23 [masinter]
and eventually look at bidi once we hear from adil or perhaps he needs help
16:40:30 [Mike5]
the s/IRI/URL/ processing draft is at http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/url/raw-file/default/Overview.html
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addison: will use our tracker to create issues and copy to your tracker as we make them "official"
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-Masinter
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Topic: Ruby Discussion
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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richard: discuss last week we decided to convert current wiki to a Note
16:43:36 [aphillip]
... and then develop "spec" that was focused
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... and we need support from implementations as we go forward
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... and get implementation support in browsers to demonstrate support
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... and here is some "spec" text for the editor to use or reference
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... the "spec" can be developed under HTMLWG or as "note" status document in this WG
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... maybe doesn't make a lot of sense to have HTML5, Ruby annotation spec, and this thing
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... so a "Note" status document is probably sufficient
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... so can be done here
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richard: koji had questions about how to involve implementers
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... sought advice from Mike
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koji: agree with richard
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richard: also question of editor
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... koji volunteerd
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... and Mike will seek helpers
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koji: roland is possibly interested, but needs manager okay
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... not sure if he has time
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... doesn't have okay from manager yet
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richard: any suggestions/advice?
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Mike: had some email discussion, but...
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... over-reliance on Ian to spec stuff out
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... and if Ian does spec it, it may still not get iplement
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s/iplement/implement/
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Mike: Ian not in agreement with extending
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addison: (summarizes our status/understanding)
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addison: reminder of W3C IP policy
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Mike: need to get a draft done and work espcially with Microsoft
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... get editor's draft and FPWD soon
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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richard: discuss on CJK list and invite HTML folks there?
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... or establish a task force?
16:57:01 [aphillip]
richard: suggest get people to join CJK list?
17:00:11 [aphillip]
Mike: already in HTML-WG charter
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html Mike5
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koji: still want to know how we get people involved
17:02:10 [aphillip]
Mike: main person is Adrian Bateman
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... lots of IE folks, but Adrian is kind of the "go to" person to faciliate discussions
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... will provide contact info
17:03:48 [r12a]
Google, Ryosuke Niwa maybe
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...
17:06:21 [kojiishi]
Maybe takano-san at Apple?
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naoki takano?
17:06:51 [kojiishi]
I found, Takumi Takano
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richard: also FF, etc.
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... hajime did an add-on to FF
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koji: actually need someone from mozilla
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mike: talk to john daggett
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... still involved although not doing layout stuff
17:08:12 [aphillip]
richard: talk to chaals for opera
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
17:08:50 [Mike5]
maybe Naoki Takano <takano@apple.com>
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koji: will try to reach takano-san, someone in google
17:09:34 [aphillip]
... Mike, can you contact MS and Mozilla?
17:09:50 [aphillip]
Mike: will contact Adrian and cc: richard
17:10:04 [aphillip]
richard: also copy koji and addison
17:10:22 [aphillip]
Topic: AOB?
17:10:39 [Zakim]
-fsasaki
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peter: is there feedback on URL processing from Adam?
17:11:00 [aphillip]
Mike: adam not actively working on URL processing at this time
17:11:22 [aphillip]
... work with Anne von Kesteren on it
17:11:37 [aphillip]
... Anne and I will work on that document in the future on it
17:11:45 [aphillip]
... first thing is examine existing test cases
17:12:04 [aphillip]
... and figure out difference in performance betwen browsers
17:12:13 [aphillip]
... also some material from Chris Weber
17:12:24 [aphillip]
... just need to decide on something, despite diffs in browsers
17:12:41 [aphillip]
peter: we will look to you for answers on test cases
17:13:01 [aphillip]
mike: will start talking in the next couple weeks to Anne
17:13:11 [aphillip]
peter: keep Chris Weber in loop; might have cycles
17:13:33 [aphillip]
mike: will contact in the enxt week
17:13:40 [Mike5]
thanks everybody
17:14:15 [joconner]
thanks addison.
17:14:17 [Zakim]
-Mike
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-joconner
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-kojiishi
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-stpeter
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-Addison_Phillips
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-Norbert
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-Richard
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-andrewc
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addison: will send pointers to IRI documents
17:14:37 [aphillip]
... please review for next week!
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
17:15:00 [aphillip]
zakim, bye
17:15:00 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees were Norbert, Masinter, Addison_Phillips, Richard, andrewc, kojiishi, joconner, fsasaki, +1.303.308.aaaa, stpeter, matial, Mike
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Present: Addison, Richard, Andrew, Mati, Felix, John, Koji, Norbert, Larry Masinter, Peter St. Andre, Mike Smith
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/22-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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