IRC log of hcg on 2012-02-10

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Zakim, this will be HTML_CG
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ok, trackbot, I see HTML_CG()10:00AM already started
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Meeting: Hypertext Coordination Group (Member) Teleconference
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Date: 10 February 2012
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Zakim, ??P13 is me
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+glazou; got it
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 4824 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), janina
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 4824 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ChrisL
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we now have a wiki
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http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/HCG/wiki/Main_Page
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the tracker is still attached to the wrong dbwg though
15:05:12 [janina]
scribe: janina
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zakim, take up item 1
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I see nothing on the agenda
15:05:53 [janina]
chris: we do now have a wiki ...
15:06:20 [janina]
chris: not yet populated, but anyone in hcg can write, nd anyone in the public can read
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debbi: will keep actions open because we still want media handling and discovery
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topic: public home page
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debbi: looking for suggestions for the page?
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debbi: has a current members link that's only team readable
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http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=@@@
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chris: this is the old member tracker
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chris: i'm trying to put together something that will be world readable
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debbi: has telecon details, list info, history, ...
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debbi: send a note if you have ideas
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http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/HCG/track/
15:10:21 [janina]
chris: OK. tracker now works. I have it switched over.
15:10:23 [ChrisL]
the tracker now works
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debbi: so i'll move the two open actions from the old tracker over
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action: chris to test tracker
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trackbot, bye
15:12:07 [ChrisL]
I will keep working on it
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topic: css last calls overview
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debbi: we're considering a new hcg policy
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debbi: asking wg to send a rep to hcg to overview the new specs
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Created ACTION-73 - Test tracker [on Chris Lilley - due 2012-02-17].
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janina: i like this policy
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chris: also schedule performance group is suggesting that last calls asking particular groups to review explain why the request to that particular group
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janina: guidance can be helpful esp when a group knows they're concerned about certain sections of a spec
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daniel: concerned this may be additional bureaucratic burden
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daniel: also concerned our hcg participation is so low
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chris: expect more participation as we improve our communications
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daniel: we have a long list of standing regrets
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chris: we did try to find a better time
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chris: we will work on finding a designee in wg's to attend if the chair's unable
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chris: agree the standing list is too long, but we're working on it
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debbi: don't think summary overview need be the chair, could be the editor
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daniel: pretty sure most won't come to hcg call
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chris: why?
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daniel: because most don't find it useful
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debbi: the times we address coordination issues, or topics of broad concern could be very useful
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debbi: lc reviews could be one such useful toward helping get things resolved
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debbi: bert suggested chris could overview the css lc's
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daniel css ui -- adding things previously missed, better sizing, form elements padding boxes, etc
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daniel: dropped appearance property, though mozilla uses it heavily still and may not go away there
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daniel: it's a 'kitchen sink' for things that make a modern ui and don't fit anywhere else
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daniel: css images ...
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daniel: various image values and replace contents, gradients
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daniel: only feature not marked at risk during upcoming cr
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daniel: gradients most important, we have multiple, perhaps 3 syntax in the wild currently
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daniel: css backgrounds-- incl new properties for 'image slicing'
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daniel: shadows, border aliases,
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daniel: pretty well implemented in most browsers
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daniel: probably will reach req at fast pace
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daniel: we went back to lc because there were a few issues to fix resolved in this week's f2f, and a few to go
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daniel: pf requested image lc to extend until feb 22, this was accepted
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daniel: full screen will be a joint effort with web apps
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chris: remind end of lc for ui?
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daniel: feb 14
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chris: i have action from svg on that
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debbi: svg was called out?
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daniel: yes
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debbi: are wai and svg aware they're called out?
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chris: yes
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janina: yes, pf has actions out and will discuss next week
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janina: pf trying to be more present and responsive on css because of its importance to a11y
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topic: other topics
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daniel: vendor prefixes ...
15:33:47 [ChrisL]
http://www.glazman.org/weblog/dotclear/index.php?post/2012/02/10/Blaming-CSS-WG-is-too-easy-Brendan
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and http://www.glazman.org/weblog/dotclear/index.php?post/2012/02/09/CALL-FOR-ACTION%3A-THE-OPEN-WEB-NEEDS-YOU-NOW
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danieldaniel: while not perfect, vendor prefixes have been helpful, and are now at risk with webkit becoming overloaded
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back
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-ChrisL
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 4824 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ChrisL
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-Debbie_Dahl
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-glazou
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HTML_CG()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Debbie_Dahl, glazou, ChrisL
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regrets: kazuyuki, bert, stephen
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chair: Debbie_Dahl
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meeting: Hypertext Coordination Group Teleconference
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