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14:57:55 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML_CG
14:57:55 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_CG()10:00AM already started
14:57:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Hypertext Coordination Group (Member) Teleconference
14:57:56 <trackbot> Date: 10 February 2012
14:59:26 <Zakim> +??P13
14:59:32 <glazou> Zakim, ??P13 is me
14:59:32 <Zakim> +glazou; got it
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14:59:46 <janina> zakim, code?
14:59:46 <Zakim> the conference code is 4824 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), janina
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15:02:38 <ChrisL> zakim, code?
15:02:38 <Zakim> the conference code is 4824 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ChrisL
15:03:23 <Zakim> +ChrisL
15:03:49 <ChrisL> we now have a wiki
15:03:51 <ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/HCG/wiki/Main_Page
15:04:11 <ChrisL> the tracker is still attached to the wrong dbwg though
15:05:12 <janina> scribe: janina
15:05:24 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
15:05:24 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
15:05:53 <janina> chris: we do now have a wiki ...
15:06:20 <janina> chris: not yet populated, but anyone in hcg can write, nd anyone in the public can read
15:06:57 <janina> debbi: will keep actions open because we still want media handling and discovery
15:07:08 <janina> topic: public home page
15:07:18 <janina> debbi: looking for suggestions for the page?
15:07:59 <janina> debbi: has a current members link that's only team readable
15:08:16 <ddahl> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=@@@
15:08:31 <janina> chris: this is the old member tracker
15:08:42 <janina> chris: i'm trying to put together something that will be world readable
15:09:05 <janina> debbi: has telecon details, list info, history, ...
15:09:55 <janina> debbi: send a note if you have ideas
15:09:59 <ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/HCG/track/
15:10:21 <janina> chris: OK. tracker now works. I have it switched over.
15:10:23 <ChrisL> the tracker now works
15:11:04 <janina> debbi: so i'll move the two open actions from the old tracker over
15:11:17 <ChrisL> action: chris to test tracker
15:11:51 <ChrisL> trackbot, bye
15:12:07 <ChrisL> I will keep working on it
15:13:05 <janina> topic: css last calls overview
15:13:16 <janina> debbi: we're considering a new hcg policy
15:13:28 <janina> debbi: asking wg to send a rep to hcg to overview the new specs
15:13:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - Test tracker [on Chris Lilley - due 2012-02-17].
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15:13:36 <janina> janina: i like this policy
15:15:04 <janina> chris: also schedule performance group is suggesting that last calls asking particular groups to review explain why the request to that particular group
15:16:48 <janina> janina: guidance can be helpful esp when a group knows they're concerned about certain sections of a spec
15:17:06 <janina> daniel: concerned this may be additional bureaucratic burden
15:17:20 <janina> daniel: also concerned our hcg participation is so low
15:17:34 <janina> chris: expect more participation as we improve our communications
15:18:07 <janina> daniel: we have a long list of standing regrets
15:18:28 <janina> chris: we did try to find a better time
15:18:45 <janina> chris: we will work on finding a designee in wg's to attend if the chair's unable
15:19:05 <janina> chris: agree the standing list is too long, but we're working on it
15:19:44 <janina> debbi: don't think summary overview need be the chair, could be the editor
15:19:58 <janina> daniel: pretty sure most won't come to hcg call
15:20:01 <janina> chris: why?
15:20:10 <janina> daniel: because most don't find it useful
15:21:00 <janina> debbi: the times we address coordination issues, or topics of broad concern could be very useful
15:21:47 <janina> debbi: lc reviews could be one such useful toward helping get things resolved
15:22:44 <janina> debbi: bert suggested chris could overview the css lc's
15:23:40 <janina> daniel css ui -- adding things previously missed, better sizing, form elements padding boxes, etc
15:24:07 <janina> daniel: dropped appearance property, though mozilla uses it heavily still and may not go away there
15:24:23 <janina> daniel: it's a 'kitchen sink' for things that make a modern ui and don't fit anywhere else
15:24:39 <janina> daniel: css images ...
15:24:52 <janina> daniel: various image values and replace contents, gradients
15:25:11 <janina> daniel: only feature not marked at risk during upcoming cr
15:25:42 <janina> daniel: gradients most important, we have multiple, perhaps 3 syntax in the wild currently
15:26:26 <janina> daniel: css backgrounds-- incl new properties for 'image slicing' 
15:26:47 <janina> daniel: shadows, border aliases, 
15:26:57 <janina> daniel: pretty well implemented in most browsers
15:27:16 <janina> daniel: probably will reach req at fast pace
15:27:40 <janina> daniel: we went back to lc because there were a few issues to fix resolved in this week's f2f, and a few to go
15:28:15 <janina> daniel: pf requested image lc to extend until feb 22, this was accepted
15:28:45 <janina> daniel: full screen will be a joint effort with web apps
15:28:52 <janina> chris: remind end of lc for ui?
15:29:04 <janina> daniel: feb 14
15:29:14 <janina> chris: i have action from svg on that
15:29:25 <janina> debbi: svg was called out?
15:29:29 <janina> daniel: yes
15:30:05 <janina> debbi: are wai and svg aware they're called out?
15:30:09 <janina> chris: yes
15:30:25 <janina> janina: yes, pf has actions out and will discuss next week
15:32:14 <janina> janina: pf trying to be more present and responsive on css because of its importance to a11y
15:32:32 <janina> topic: other topics
15:32:41 <janina> daniel: vendor prefixes ...
15:33:47 <ChrisL> http://www.glazman.org/weblog/dotclear/index.php?post/2012/02/10/Blaming-CSS-WG-is-too-easy-Brendan
15:34:24 <ChrisL> and http://www.glazman.org/weblog/dotclear/index.php?post/2012/02/09/CALL-FOR-ACTION%3A-THE-OPEN-WEB-NEEDS-YOU-NOW
15:36:37 <janina> danieldaniel: while not perfect, vendor prefixes have been helpful, and are now at risk with webkit becoming overloaded
15:44:56 <glazou> back
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15:53:26 <ChrisL> zakim, code?
15:53:26 <Zakim> the conference code is 4824 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ChrisL
15:53:40 <Zakim> +ChrisL
16:03:08 <Zakim> -ChrisL
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16:03:11 <Zakim> -Debbie_Dahl
16:03:13 <Zakim> -glazou
16:03:13 <Zakim> HTML_CG()10:00AM has ended
16:03:13 <Zakim> Attendees were Debbie_Dahl, glazou, ChrisL
16:04:06 <ddahl> regrets: kazuyuki, bert, stephen
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16:04:54 <ddahl> chair: Debbie_Dahl
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16:05:33 <ddahl> present+: janina
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16:08:16 <ddahl> meeting: Hypertext Coordination Group Teleconference
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