See also: IRC log
<fluffy> Is it normal that the conf bridge tells me it is "restricted" at this point ?
<dom> fluffy, that sounds weird — are you using the right code?
<fluffy> Pretty sure I had the right code - tried it twice. But I just tried again and it worked so perhaps I had wrong code or it needed to be started or something.
<dom> so, I gather you are aaaa
<hta> well known keyboard? :-)
<darobin> hta: yeah, whenever I don't have access to the conference room, people hear my rather distinctive typing style :)
<scribe> scribe: Josh_Soref
StefanH: the proposed agenda
StefanH: ... Capabilities and
Privacy
... and xx2
stefanh: I've asked burn to introduce that
xxz: so, what i'm going to do is give a brief summary of what we've talked about
burn: we may have to review some
of the arguments we were given
... a number of people were talking about capabilities
... and also about fingerprinting
<stefanh> my IRC client cant beep with audio
burn: what we did at the last
WebRTC meeting
... was discuss xxa
... I'll jump to the conclusion of that really long
discussion
... there was a consensus that capabilities information was
needed
... to build applications with WebRTC apis
... for those unfamiliar with this
... it may seem obvious that this was necessary
... but it wasn't
... we tried to decide initially whether we really needed
it
... there are applications like Presence
... where you need to know the means through which you can
contact people
<dom> Discussions on capabilities and fingerprinting at the WebRTC F2F last week
burn: for a Dating site, you may
want to give preference to those with a WebCam available
... that's one example, there were others
... there was a conclusion that capabilities were needed for
the apps people would like to build
... as part of this discussion, there was a discussion about
the level of capabilities
... do you just want high level, or details
<Travis> * What's the conf call code?
burn: we didn't really come to a
clear consensus on the level
... the richer you want the application to be
... the more details you want about the client
... the details will depend on how much you trust the
application
... most people generally trust an application they've locally
installed
... we might want to consider how much capabilities to
expose
... based on how much you've dealt with a site
... e.g. giving more details once you've logged in
... for a downloadable-installable-webapp
... essentially a shell installed on a machine
... in that case, you may not need to ask about using
mic+camera
... even though if you were to visit the site live you would
need to ask (same general app)
... i'm sure there will continue to be a discussion on
this
... some people proposed...
... considering Google Hangout
... and try to design to support for that
... some wanted to do other things than that, for which they
want more capability info
... we didn't reach a consensus on that
... that's probably a high level summary
... one other thing
... i didn't mention fingerprinting above
... but we did discus it quite a bit
... it was brought up that there are already many bits
available for a user w/o this
... sites may eventually be able to uniquely identify you
... they know you bought item X at a store
... because they happen to have sufficient information about
you
... not because they're using linking cookies
... this is why it was brought up
... there are sites that you trust
... sites like Facebook may already know who you are
... for some sites, you may not be giving more
information
... ok that's about it
<jesup> Too much information makes things like private browsing not private - can even be dangerous in some cases
burn: any questions?
fjh: Question about other privacy
concerns
... use of the camera/audio
... without the user knowing it
burn: there has always been a
requirement about notifying users of use
... this was just a discussion about when things are being
used
... any other questions
anant: comments
... i think it makes sense to have levels about how much
capabilities are actually exposed
... about media being transmitted
... browsers are not the only HTML clients
... while browsers should notify users that cameras are
on
... it might not make sense for a smart phone to tell a user
that
... you might want to write a dialer in HTML5 using
getUserMedia
... but it doesn't make sense for the dialer to have to ask for
permission or be limited in the data it gets about the
hardware
... that's where defining two separate levels is useful
... then the useragent can decide based on the use case about
what to disclose
... for a browser / random web sites, that's less
... and for a telephone, the UA could disclose more
... the spec can define both
... and the UA can decide which class to apply for the app
burn: there wasn't necessarily
consensus on 2 levels
... there was interest on multiple levels
... maybe more than 2
... anant was interested in 2
... i think it might be a good approach to have multiple
levels
... any other questions?
fluffy: Cullen here
... one question i had was about notifications about
capabilities changing
... let's say you had permission to know about
capabilities
... and someone plugged in a camera
burn: we didn't get consensus on
that
... we didn't have time to discuss in detail how that would
work
... how frequent, or how it would look
anant: some part of that will be
tied to what levels of capabilities we have
... but when they change, it makes sense to notify at the same
level
... i don't think there's a risk of notifying within the same
level
burn: i agree
stefanh: I've heard a lot of
people speaking from WebRTC
... i'd like to hear feedback from the DAP people
harald: focus on what parts are different
burn: what important things did we miss?
fjh: one question is: how do we
establish this trust
... one way is how to establish trust
... installing an app is one way
burn: we didn't get to that
anant: my proposal is to let the
UA figure it out
... i think we should leave it up to the UA to decide
fluffy: I have some worry about
this
... i understand that things will be different for certain
environments
... we should say "if you're a browser, you should probably do
this"
... it's not like the standard police will go after you
anant: right
... for Chrome and Firefox we have means to escalate
privelege
... and IE
... I don't know if Travis has comments on that
... I think all three have a way to say that
[ Scribe explains that you need to introduce yourself ]
Travis: it was brought up about
Windows Metro apps
... and capabilities / permissions
... while i think it's good to describe the options for
UAs
... it might be useful in our spec to categorize these
things
... one categorization is:
... is this Implicitly trusted
... is this Implicitly untrusted
... determining how frequently you want to ask / what
mechanism, is too far
harald: you're not talking about Trust in the UA
Travis: I think that's what i'm
addressing
... from a high level point of view
... if the UA is a Phone
... I think there's a point at which I grant permission
<dom> [DAP has had similar discussions many times; but unless we have a good story around trusted/untrusted, I think we should just focus on untrusted for the time being]
Travis: and that can be done when
the hardware is built
... if the UA is a Browser, and it can be exposed to untrusted
apps
... then it's a different category
fjh: I had a question about the
earlier statement
... about the browser being able to know based on the url
<inserted> ... is there an example?
anant: it's not based on the
URL
... for Chrome, you can go to the Chrome web store
... and install an application
... that's the mechanism of establishing trust
harald: are we finished addressing capabilities?
burn: one other question
... cases where trust might be improved over time
... we've covered distinctions between UAs that may or may not
be trusted
... and apps that may or may not be trusted
... but there's this other level
... say i'm using a Web Browser
... and i'm using some online application
... that i did not install
... that doesn't mean that i might not want to have the ability
to gradually improve the privilege of the app
... I may not have a problem with an app knowing that i have a
camera/microphone
<dom> Installing web apps, Robin Berjon, Feb 7 2012
burn: when I was expressing
concern about two levels
... it may be convenient for me to say "i trust this
<app|site|domain>"
... I'm saying there may be "trusted-noninstalled-apps"
... it may be another category
anant: by category i'm talking
about the information provided
... not about how the category is established
... installation need not be the only way to establish a
category
... we need to provide another way
... i don't know immediately what those ways might look
like
fluffy: do we want to talk at all about what capabilities could be discovered?
<jesup> Perhaps a request for added trust causes a geolocation-type doorhanger
fluffy: for the trusted ring, i
don't think we need to hide anything
... then there's the question about how simple we want the
JavaScript api to be
... we don't need to limit for fingerprinting
xxn: overloading...
burn: I agree that we can hide
more detailed in a tiered object
... for apps that we're interested in, we definitely want
everything to be available
harald: an expandable set
Travis: i'm a little concerned
about how that principle leads this door right open
... how do we specify *everything* about a device
... i come from the security camp
... i'd like to expose the least amount to get by
<dom> +1 to Travis
<fjh> +1 to least priviledge
Travis: i'd like to iterate over time about what to expose
burn: if i have an app on my desktop
<fjh> that is the problem with desktop apps, and viruses etc
burn: it knows everything about
my device
... if i try to build something in my browser
... i want to be able to do everything i could do with that
app
Travis: for each device, the
details are slightly different
... having to read up on every driver's technique for exposing
information is painful
fluffy: for desktop applications,
there isn't a well defined api to get most of the
information
... i don't know burn, i don't think it's really what you
think
... i think concrete examples will be helpful
burn: if i want to build
something as rich as what i can have on my computer
... whatever i can get from my desktop is sufficient
... i'm not asking for more than that
fluffy: i'll want more
<Zakim> Josh_Soref, you wanted to talk about device discrimination
<dom> Josh_Soref: my concern is that I'd like to be able to even buy an application and use it on one device
<dom> ... and then use it on a different device with different parameters, assuming the application is transferable
<dom> ... the app shouldn't stop working because the app would be hardwired to a specific user agent or device
<dom> ... I appreciate the ability to have precise details or about general things, I want to make sure we don't make it too easy for apps to be hardcoded for some specific hardware configuration
hta: i'd like to move to the next topic
anant: can we send out proposals
for how to deal with Levels and moving from level to
level?
... burn can you send in a proposal?
... i'm happy to send in one as well
burn: i'm willing to send in one, let's talk offline
<Travis> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/media-stream-capture/scenarios.html
Travis: I was asked to put
together a Scenarios document for Media Capture
... the goal of the document was to establish the set of
realistic scenarios
... that lightly touch on the things you might want to do
... with a capture API if you had one available
... i tried to spread it across both browsers and installed
applications
... i didn't want to write this as a requirements
document
... i wrote it for an Average user
... not one with 30 cameras
... I had a few sections: Scenarios, and Rants and Raves
... [Section 5]
... We at Microsoft have experimented with things
... I have commentary
... Section 5 as it is in the document is what I consider less
important to the scenarios
... but still worth considering
<fjh> some comments I offered on the scenarios document -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-capture/2012Feb/0012.html
Travis: there are 6
scenarios
... i can talk through them if the group wants
stefanh: maybe you could go quickly through them
Travis: there are 6
scenarios
... the first scenario is a user, like a Facebook user
... using it to capture an image from their webcam
... the app provides a ui, that enables the camera to turn
on
... and capture a single image
... the ability has the ability to capture audio
... for an audio caption
... maybe converted to text and put on the web page
... the second scenario is about an enthused user
... more active in Blogging
... this is a Video Blog
... and he goes and describes his commentary on the Political
situation
... he has some friends who will join him
... they will initiate connections to certain parties
... who will join in at the end
fluffy: when you talked about switching browser tabs
Travis: a detail on the text in
the scenario
... he's watching himself do the recording in the browser
tab
... he may need to switch to see some other data
... it was meant to say that the ability to have the camera
running in the background is important to consider
... the conferencing scenario needs to keep the conference
up
... the third scenario is a student working on an image
processing course
... the teacher has put specific requirements on the size of
the video for the assignment
... the student has to ensure the video fits the
parameters
... she can't operate on a large video
... she may not need to trust the site
... fourth scenario is a mobile scenario
... a user traveling
... recording a video diary
... introduces a front and back camera
... record what he can see, and record himself
... and switch back
... fifth scenario is a Conference call
... there's a scribe recording the conference
... there are participants participating via their own
browser
... this scenario lets the scribe put the call on hold
+1
Travis: to review the video and
catch up on scribing
... I know Josh_Soref would like that, so i put it in there
Josh_Soref: thanks
Travis: the sixth scenario is
privacy
... you're browsing and stumble upon a page which asks for
permission to use your camera
... and you deny it
... i captured these 6 scenarios
... i think it covers most things
... i'd like to base our api around allowing these cases
... if we want to scope down from this, that's ok
stefanh: thanks
... this document has had a lot of reviewing
... chairs would like to propose moving it to FPWD
fjh: i had a couple of
comments
... one that i'd like to go in before
... i think that capturing a media stream in section 5 is
another scenario
... i think it warrants another scenario
Travis: i saw that fjh and thank you for posting it
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/media-stream-capture/scenarios.html#capturing-a-media-stream
Travis: i will try to address that comment before we publish
fjh: thank you
... the other thing is what to do when multiple applications
try to access the camera
... i'm not saying it should hold up FPWD
... but i think it's an important concern
Travis: thank you, and i agree
with that
... that's going to be interesting
... I might have multiple web browsers
... and an OS limitation might only allow one access at a
time
... so if i have 2 open, and they both try at the same
time
... it can lead to amusing results
stefanh: if no one here objects,
we will ask the WebRTC+DAP WGs
... and then will move it to FPWD
dom: I think we should make a short CfC in both groups
stefanh: fjh will you take care of that for DAP?
fjh: I'm not sure i understand what you're asking
dom: formally WGs need to approve requests to publish drafts
fjh: sure, i can do that
... and if Travis includes the change, that would be great
ACTION Travis to integrate fjh 's capturing a media stream as a scenario
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Travis
<fjh> ACTION: fjh to send CfC to DAP re FPWD of Scenarios document upon Travis edit [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/09-webrtc-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - fjh
shepazu: Doug Sheppers
... I work for W3C
... I'm the Staff Contact for the Audio Group
... I want to make people aware that people in the Audio group
are interested in participating
... we have things we'd like to put forward and discuss
... particularly about multiple line ins
... and possibly midi bits
dom: we have two options
... we can convert the TF from 2WG to 3WG
... or we can ask the Audio WG to send inputs to the TF as
is
shepazu: I think the lightest
weight thing we could do right now
... is for us to send you our use cases and requirements
... i'll talk w/ dom off list
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/media-stream-capture/scenarios.html
<dom> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/media-stream-capture/scenarios.html#capturing-a-media-stream
shepazu, i'll see if anyone feels the need to actually join the TF
scribe: we're really happy to see
this work moving forward
... i don't know if particular individuals
... need to call in or need to participate
... or if they're happy to let the TF do the work
hta: the reason for the TF is
because of constraints
... are there any participants in Audio who are not in
WebRTC/DAP?
... dom: don't you have a tool to look for overlap
... I know that Apple / Intel just joined
... they might have a problem
... if you could drop a note to Audio asking if people would
have a problem joining the TF, that'd be good
<dom> [46884]=on&ids[47318]=on Overlap between Audio and WebRTC: Opera, Intel, Mozilla, Google
shepazu, dom maybe you and i can talk offlist
scribe: and i'll communicate back
<hta> I think we're looking for the disjunction - orgs in audio who are neither in dap nor in webrtc
<dom> [46884]=on&ids[43696]=on Overlap between DAP and Audio: Opera, Intel, Mozilla
anant: status...
... we have a document that's published
... and we have some implementations
<Travis> http://dev.w3.org/2011/webrtc/editor/getusermedia.html
anant: and some demo
applications
... we've also heard some feedback from web developers
... on how they they think the api works for them
... and i think we have some work before we publish a WD
... some issues we need to cover
... Capabilities and Privacy
... related to Capabilities/proposals
... we didn't reach a solution on Hints
... that's issue #1
<dom> (the disjunction is thus Apple, BBC and INRIA)
anant: I don't know if you want
to discuss point by point
... the first one is Media Stream Options
... which is not really defined as a hint
... currently the call should fail if you ask for Video and
don't get it
... we might want a way to provide a hint
... issue #2
... is extensibility
... it seems like Javascript Dictionaries make sense
... we need a procedure to later extend the options,
capabilities, or hints
... issue #3
... events versus callbacks
s/Javascript/WebIDL/
scribe: most new APIs prefer not
to use Callbacks
... when you're writing multiple pieces of code
... using addEventListener seems to be the standard way
... so multiple pieces of JavaScript code can get callbacks
<dom> +1 on using EventTarget
scribe: issue #4
... what the behavior should be when the api is called in an
iframe
... currently the US-Geolocation API ignores calls in
iframes
... my proposal is to do the same for video
<dom> +1 on limiting getUserMedia to top level page (until we have a better model for permissions)
scribe: issue #5
... we need to define the behavior for Browsers, as fluffy
mentioned
... UI recommendations
... text like "we recommend the UA notify the User when the
Camera is transmitting"
... "or the microphone is turned on"
... I don't know how to do this in a consistent way
<shepazu> (I agree with Dom, but can see use cases for delegation, especially with mashups or service reuse)
scribe: issue #6
... we need to specifically define what happens when you switch
away
... it's clear that we need to support it
... if i call getUserMedia
... and I switch away
... sometimes i want it to continue
... and sometimes i don't
... should getUserMedia fail when i switch away
... there are also privacy implications
... I think all should be tackled (considered?) before we move
on to a WD
... that's all I had
<dom> (if camera selection is done via the chrome, I think the browser should be responsible for alerting the user of conflicting pages asking for access to a given camera)
xxw: getUserMedia
... takes 2 options
... there was a proposal for adding hints
... we've decided we need capabilities
... i think we need an api for capabilities
<dom> can't we get optional video stream with {video: {optional: true} } ?
xxw: we can't tie it to
getUserMedia
... because you need it before you make the call
hta: reminder to give names before speaking
Travis: I've taken both sides of
the stance
... i'm divided against myself
... originally
... before you request getUserMedia
... you want to know if the device supports recording
... because i don't want to promote a pattern
... where you continuously hit getUserMedia probing for
stuff
... try for Video+Audio, fail, ok, lemme try for Video
... in that sense, i like knowing about things in advance
... At the same time
... I'd like to call the api with what I need
... and then be informed when it's ready
... or call with my baseline
... and then have a way to adjust my requests
... rather than having to reprobe
dom: Am I supposed to talk only about issue 1?
stefanh: I think they're all tied together
dom: ok
... anant you were listing all these issues
... i don't see them in the draft, and i don't think they're in
tracker either
anant: yes
... I just made them up
... i'm happy to convert them to tracker
... is Tracker Tracker or Bugzilla?
dom: let's talk about that
offline
... hints v. options
... i'm wondering if we can't have in the option object
... if you could have required:true/optional:true
... i think we have a way to design optional arguments
there,
... personally a group of you were at the meeting last
week
... i'm a bit uncomfortable with getting abilities
... as it seems to lead to a great privacy breach
... initially, i'd like to design getUserMedia without assuming
there would be a capabilities api
... otherwise i agree supporting limiting getUserMedia to the
top level page
... and I support moving to addEventListener
... that covers most of the issues
richt_: Rich T from Opera
... I have feedback on all of these issues
... we have done some prototyping
... so let's start with hints
... we're really excited about hints
... we don't particularly want the capabilities api
... with hints we can say "in an ideal case, this is what i'd
like"
... and the UA will try to match up
... and then fall back where it can't
... hints are a much more web model
... look at CSS
... you request something
... and if you don't get something, it will fall back
... i'm not so particular about audio/video
... I'd like to reverse from "we have capabilities" to saying
"we have hints, do we need caps"
... on iframes
... we intend to do the same thing as Chrome
... create a pair, so that an iframe can only have access if
there's a trusted chain to the top
... re EventListeners, there are some benefits
... to the current way
... but there are issues
... we may want to experiment
... the UI recommendations for browsers
... we've discussed this as well
... @TPAC, the Firefox/Mozilla guys
... anant demod
... the UI seems to be converging
... we may want to codify the challenge
... we may not want to lock things in
... i think that's about all i wanted to say
... one last thing...
<Travis> Opera's UI experiment for getUserMedia: http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/getusermedia-access-camera-privacy-ui/
richt_: switching away from the
application
... you may be able to pin a tab to give it that priv
fluffy:
hints/capabilities/iframes/perms
... on hints, we definitely wanted the ability to select the
capture resolution
... i'm willing to look at a proposal without
capabilities
... all applications are working in environments with multiple
cameras
... i'm not sure how to deal with device selection
<dom> [device selection can be made via the browser chrome]
fluffy: i realize that whatever
we do with capabilities will be
... a huge fingerprinting
... issue
... but without turning off third party cookies
... the iframe issue
... historically iframes were supported
... e.g. iframes for ads
... but it's important for mashups
... i liked the opera proposal
<shepazu> +1 for importance of mashups
fluffy: i think it's important to
be able to run in an iframe
... the issue w/ running in an iframe
... is you need to know who's getting the media
<stefanh> +1 for iframe's
fluffy: we had a long discussion at the interim WebRTC meeting
<shepazu> (might allow delegation and transparency, similar to CORS)
<Travis> +1 for iframe
fluffy: if you mark stream as
No-JavaScript
... then only whomever is on the other side of the stream
... the important thing for Permissions is "who has access to
the video"
... which isn't necessarily the web site
hta: [ removing chair hat ]
<shepazu> (once the stream goes to any server, that server might send it anywhere… some degree of trust must be there)
hta: I liked anant 's idea of
going to a different model for getUserMedia
... I think we need a different name
... i'd like to encourage anant to write up a better proposal
with a different name closer to javascript style
... in previous discussions
<dom> shepazu, actually the protocol allows to make it so that the server doesn't get to see the stream at all; but it would probably need help from the API
hta: we had the idea of capabilities to turn around and feed them back in
<jesup> shepazu: for webrtc, often the stream is peer-2-peer, encrypted, never seen by server
hta: i'd like to investigate that
somewhere too
... we had pretty strong support for capabilities
... it isn't about going down the slippery slope
... but how far
burn: +1
... i think there's a need for capabilities
ack
scribe: as i summarized at the beginning of the call
<shepazu> (but is this only for WebRTC? for an audio-editing site, stream might be sent to host server)
scribe: there are definitely
cases like Presence for Dating sites
... first you're going to check capabilities
... check if devices are plugged in
... then you try to get access
... it may not be available "now"
... and that's entirely reasonable
... especially with competing applications
<jesup> shepazu: some uses it goes to server, some it doesn't. And a user may want to record locally without exposing to the server
scribe: w.r.t. hints
... my concern is that
... application authors like knowing what they're getting
... I understanding how HTML works today
... and CSS allows for fallbacks
... but i would argue that most web app authors do not find
that a feature
... they consider it a bug
... they acknowledge it, but constantly push for more
control
... when I was working on Voice XML
... people pointed out that HTML when it first came out was a
step backward for Desktop Publishing
... but HTML has evolved
... and authors would do things like using Flash to get more of
what they want
... what i'd like for hints
... is to specify "ideally i'd like this", "but these other
things are acceptable"
... for video, maybe i care more about width than height
... maybe i care about aspect ratio
... if i can't get these characteristics, then i don't want
anything
xxy: I like that
<anant> s/xxy/richt
xxy: hints for me aren't
necessarily quality related
... looking at cameras, hints specify a preference for which
camera
<jesup> shepazu: If I'm recording locally, I dont' want the app to be able to surreptitiously send a copy to the website (at least not unless I 'trust' them)
xxy: the one i'd like
stefanh: as chair, we're running
out of time
... personally i have a hard deadline
shepazu: i have to go too
[ Group agrees to move offline ]
Travis: a response to
hints/capabilities
... but i think this may be best served as a list
discussion
<shepazu> s/ i have to go too/ I can take it to the list/
Travis: and maybe proposals written down
richt_: hints is privacy
preserving
... you're requesting something, rather than knowing what
happens
... i'm designing for the web case
... trusted fine, we can install/elevate
... but hints work much better in the untrusted environment
Josh_Soref: +1
stefanh: we have to move this discussion offline
Travis: i'd like to ask for
another Teleconf
... and put out when we'd have it
stefanh: yes
xxz: and we'd want to do that before the March IETF meeting
<burn> agree with having new call
<shepazu> (jesup, agreed, but there are multiple scenarios to meet here)
<hta> s/xxz/hta/ (sorry)
Travis: 2 weeks would be good
<dom> [please avoid overlap with Mobile World Congress if possible]
s/ (sorry)//
<hta> dom, what are the MWC dates?
<anant> yes, lots of people at MWC
<dom> Feb 27-March 1st
<anant> 27th- feb 3rd march
<jesup> shepazu: See the meeting slides from the W3C WebRTC interim on MediaStream Security
xya: EventListener
<dom> s/xya/anant/
stefanh: anant had an action to write up a proposal
fluffy: burn and I have an action
for capabilities
... one's easier and one's harder
... (goes in and comes out)
... anant : you and i should work on the first
stefanh: the last action was
Travis to update the draft
... and then the WebRTC/DAP chairs will send out CfC
<jesup> shepazu: hang out for a sec while I dig it out
s/* What's the conf call code?//
<jesup> shepazu: http://www.w3.org/2011/04/webrtc/wiki/images/a/a3/MediaStream_Security_1.pdf
s|s/xxz/hta/ (sorry)||
s/xxz/hta/
s|s/ (sorry)//||
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<richt_> fyi, geolocation permissions for iframes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-geolocation/2011Feb/0001.html
<richt_> ...and we'll be fixing our behavior for geolocation in this respect in our next release.
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