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15:59:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:59:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 
15:59:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Web and TV Interest Group Teleconference
15:59:25 <trackbot> Date: 02 February 2012
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15:59:43 <kaz> zakim, this will be webtv
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15:59:58 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
16:00:02 <Zakim> ok, kaz; I see UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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16:00:16 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
16:00:25 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
16:00:28 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM has now started
16:00:29 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
16:00:39 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
16:00:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki
16:00:58 <Zakim> +Mark_Vickers
16:01:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, Mark_Vickers
16:01:27 <Clarke> +Clarke_Stevens
16:01:29 <bryan> bryan has joined #webtv
16:01:33 <Zakim> +??P15
16:01:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see duncanr, jason, Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, Clarke, mav, glenn, trackbot
16:02:45 <Clarke> zakim, I am here
16:02:45 <Zakim> + +1.417.671.aaaa
16:02:59 <Zakim> +Bryan_Sullivan
16:03:01 <glenn> zakim, aaaa is me
16:03:21 <Zakim> + +44.303.040.aabb
16:03:35 <kaz> zakim, aabb is Duncan
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16:03:47 <Zakim> + +1.360.367.aacc
16:03:49 <Zakim> +Canon
16:03:53 <Zakim> sorry, Clarke, I do not see a party named 'here'
16:03:53 <kaz> zakim, aacc is Jason
16:03:59 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:04:02 <Clarke> zakim, ??P15 is me
16:04:02 <ph> ph has joined #webtv
16:04:11 <ph> zakm, calll philipp-mobile
16:04:12 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
16:04:13 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
16:04:17 <ph> zakm, call philipp-mobile
16:04:34 <ph> zakim, call philipp-mobile
16:04:45 <Zakim> +Duncan; got it
16:05:04 <ph> zakim, call ph-mobile
16:05:07 <Zakim> +Jason; got it
16:05:21 <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
16:05:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, Mark_Vickers, Clarke, glenn, Bryan_Sullivan, Duncan, Jason, Canon, [Microsoft]
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16:05:45 <Zakim> ok, ph; the call is being made
16:05:45 <bryan> present+ Bryan_Sullivan
16:05:47 <Zakim> +Philipp
16:05:56 <Clarke> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_2nd_February_2012#Agenda
16:06:10 <Zakim> + +1.408.475.aadd
16:06:12 <kaz> zakim, Microsoft is John_Simmons
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16:06:27 <Zakim> I am sorry, ph; I do not know a number for ph-mobile
16:06:28 <kaz> zakim, aadd is Russell
16:07:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see ph, Johnsim, bryan, duncanr, jason, Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, Clarke, mav, glenn, trackbot
16:07:14 <mav> scribe:mav
16:07:16 <Zakim> +Philipp.a
16:07:30 <mav> chair:clarke
16:07:32 <Zakim> +John_Simmons; got it
16:07:50 <Zakim> +Russell; got it
16:08:09 <kaz> topic: scribe schedule
16:08:17 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Telco#Scribe_Schedule scribe list
16:08:20 <ph> zakim, drop philipp
16:08:35 <mav> topic: scribe list
16:08:57 <mav> See Scribe Schedule on wiki
16:09:01 <Zakim> + +1.415.867.aaee
16:09:14 <Zakim> Philipp is being disconnected
16:09:17 <Zakim> -Philipp
16:09:21 <mav> topic:Reorganizing site
16:09:43 <mav> clarke: will take first shot at organizing site. Will take suggestions.
16:09:58 <Zakim> +??P39
16:10:04 <mav> topic: Scheduling of work on content protection
16:10:42 <mav> clarke: Current plan: 1st adaptive bitrate, 2nd: content protection
16:11:13 <mav> jason: content protection bigger issue for content industry, so don't put it off too long
16:12:00 <mav> philippe: what was sent from IG to HTML WG on content protection to date?
16:12:08 <kaz> s/philippe/philipp/
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16:12:35 <mav> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Netflix_Content_Protection
16:12:57 <kaz> zakim, aaee is MarkW
16:12:57 <Zakim> +MarkW; got it
16:13:19 <mav> clarke: sent along netflix proposal, but not reviewed by group
16:13:51 <bryan> +1 to continuing work on both in parallel - I will seek internal input to provide as feedback
16:14:11 <kaz> zakim, Canon is Franck
16:14:11 <Zakim> +Franck; got it
16:14:18 <mav> mark watson: OK with adaptive & content protection in parallel. haven't gotten feedback from group on netflix proposal yet. would like to get feedback.
16:14:32 <kaz> s/mark watson:/mark_watson:/
16:14:42 <mav> clarke: Propose content protection for agenda next week.
16:15:38 <mav> clarke: Ran into issues with ladder diagram.
16:17:07 <mav> clarke: Not clear how model 3 would work, e.g. new MIME type or not. Also not clear how processing would pass to script 
16:17:29 <glenn> can't hear markw over background noise on his end
16:17:40 <kaz> zakim, ??P39 is Bob_Lund
16:17:40 <Zakim> +Bob_Lund; got it
16:18:14 <mav> mark_watson: Look at Chrome proposal on Media Source Extension proposal
16:19:25 <mav> mark_watson:script controls content feeding
16:19:54 <glenn> linke to "Media Source Extension proposal"??
16:20:02 <glenn> s/linke/link/
16:20:31 <mav> bob_lund:Problem selecting among alternative media.
16:21:54 <mav> mark_watson:Current Chrome model is all decisions in script, not media element
16:23:12 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/ADR_Error_Codes ADR Error Codes
16:27:55 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:28:14 <kaz> zakim, Microsoft is Kilroy
16:28:14 <Zakim> +Kilroy; got it
16:29:06 <mav> jason:The use case of script able to pass segments is agnostic.
16:30:27 <mav> duncan:Problem with both approaches - more script control requires more query to engine.
16:31:03 <mav> mark_watson: That can mostly be handled by canPlayType
16:32:41 <mav> mark_watson: usage of codec parameters can handle most cases, there may be some corner cases, e.g. limited support for interlace
16:34:24 <mav> clarke: duncan's proposal has 3 APIs: appendVideo, currentSegemntDownload [scribe: what was 3rd?]
16:34:54 <franck> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/HTML_adaptive_calls
16:35:25 <mav> makrk_watson: need to generalize appendVideo API to allow placement other than next in sequence
16:35:47 <kaz> s/makrk_watson/mark_watson/
16:36:59 <mav> jason: what about a sliding window in live or simulcast? how is anchor maintained?
16:37:44 <mav> mark_watson: Not worked out live fully, but need ability to place segments in time line.
16:37:57 <kaz> s/currentSegemntDownload/currentSegmentDownload/
16:39:13 <mav> clarke: Another example is placing ads within a program
16:39:43 <mav> bob: Agree key is to use timeline in media.
16:41:19 <mav> Kilroy: There are difficulties with splicing, e.g. if lengths of media segments don't line up. API to support such splicing can get complex.
16:42:35 <Zakim> -MarkW
16:42:41 <mav> Kilroy: Concatenating use case OK, splicing gets more complex.
16:43:18 <mav> jason: HLS use case is usually simple concatenation. 
16:43:42 <kaz> present: Kazuyuki, Mark_Vickers, Clarke, glenn, Bryan_Sullivan, Duncan, Jason, Franck, John_Simmons, Russell, Philipp.a, Bob_Lund, Kilroy_Hughes
16:44:00 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
16:44:05 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:44:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/02-webtv-minutes.html kaz
16:44:47 <kaz> zakim, who is speaking?
16:44:58 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Franck (22%)
16:44:59 <mav> kilroy: Script needs to know if streaming engine can handle splicing issues like padding for iframes. 
16:46:24 <mav> kilroy: API needs to differentiate between concatenating vs. complex splicing.
16:47:07 <mav> kilroy: Segment formats can have constraints that allow for simple concatenation.
16:47:48 <mav> kilroy: Work on this going on in DASH and other groups. Would rather present consensus than own opinion.
16:48:00 <mav> clarke: Has DASH resolved this?
16:49:13 <mav> kilroy: DASH work on this still in progress, interacting with several API groups and the several media formats: h264, DASH, etc.
16:49:34 <mav> clarke: How do we make a proposal in this area?
16:51:33 <mav> mav: Shall we take adaptive & content protection off of HTML5 LC bugs from WebTV IG?
16:52:51 <mav> mav: Suggest Mark Watson decide on whether to withdraw Netflix proposal from LC bug
16:53:38 <mav> clarke: Other agenda items?
16:54:22 <mav> bob_lund: bug 13359 discussion
16:54:24 <mav> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13359
16:55:53 <mav> bob: I made a proposal submitted for passing data from media stream to script. There's been some push back as complex. There's been some suggestions for simplification.
16:56:15 <mav> bob: I think we'll get something, but not clear what it will be.
16:56:46 <glenn> s/grenn/glenn/
16:57:04 <mav> bob: I encourage others to comment.
16:57:35 <Zakim> -Kilroy
16:57:37 <Zakim> -glenn
16:57:39 <mav> clarke: adjourn
16:57:44 <Zakim> -Philipp.a
16:57:49 <Zakim> -Franck
16:57:50 <Zakim> -Jason
16:57:52 <Zakim> -Duncan
16:57:55 <Zakim> -Clarke
16:57:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:57:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/02-webtv-minutes.html kaz
16:57:57 <Zakim> -Russell
16:57:58 <Zakim> -Bryan_Sullivan
16:58:00 <Zakim> -John_Simmons
16:58:02 <Zakim> -Bob_Lund
16:58:13 <Zakim> -Mark_Vickers
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16:58:16 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
16:58:18 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM has ended
16:58:18 <Zakim> Attendees were Kazuyuki, Mark_Vickers, +1.417.671.aaaa, Bryan_Sullivan, +44.303.040.aabb, +1.360.367.aacc, glenn, Duncan, Jason, Clarke, Philipp, +1.408.475.aadd, John_Simmons,
16:58:18 <Zakim> ... Russell, +1.415.867.aaee, MarkW, Franck, Bob_Lund, Kilroy
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