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14:59:55 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-gld-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-gld-irc ←
14:59:57 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world ←
14:59:59 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be GLD ←
14:59:59 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started ←
15:00:00 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
15:00:00 <trackbot> Date: 29 November 2012
15:00:43 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:00:53 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.4.93.00.aabb ←
15:00:54 <Zakim> +??P32
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P32 ←
15:01:05 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p32 is me
Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??p32 is me ←
<bart> guest: Serafin Olcoz
15:01:05 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it ←
15:01:11 <Zakim> +MHausenblas
Zakim IRC Bot: +MHausenblas ←
15:01:30 <cygri> zakim, i'm with mhausenblas
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, i'm with mhausenblas ←
15:01:30 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
15:01:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
<bart> topic: Opening
15:01:35 <bhyland> Thanks to all of those who completed the Doodle poll already, see http://doodle.com/3w7wnzy45ehn7iqi
Bernadette Hyland: Thanks to all of those who completed the Doodle poll already, see http://doodle.com/3w7wnzy45ehn7iqi ←
15:01:40 <bhyland> for the next F2F
Bernadette Hyland: for the next F2F ←
15:01:49 <atemezin> Zakim, +33.4.93.00.aabb is me
Ghislain Atemezing: Zakim, +33.4.93.00.aabb is me ←
15:01:49 <Zakim> +atemezin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +atemezin; got it ←
15:01:57 <Zakim> +??P39
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P39 ←
15:02:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> scribenick: BartvanLeeuwen
(Scribe set to Bart van Leeuwen)
15:02:18 <james> who's on the call?
James McKinney: who's on the call? ←
15:02:20 <agipap> zakim, +??P39 is me
Agis Papantoniou: zakim, +??P39 is me ←
15:02:20 <Zakim> sorry, agipap, I do not recognize a party named '+??P39'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, agipap, I do not recognize a party named '+??P39' ←
15:02:23 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:02:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see davidwood, ??P21, +3539149aaaa, Sandro, atemezin, BartvanLeeuwen, MHausenblas, [IPcaller], ??P39
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see davidwood, ??P21, +3539149aaaa, Sandro, atemezin, BartvanLeeuwen, MHausenblas, [IPcaller], ??P39 ←
15:02:25 <Zakim> MHausenblas has cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: MHausenblas has cygri ←
15:02:30 <bhyland> zakim, davidwood is me
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, davidwood is me ←
15:02:30 <Zakim> +bhyland; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bhyland; got it ←
15:02:33 <Zakim> +??P36
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P36 ←
15:02:56 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, who is here?
Benedikt Kaempgen: zakim, who is here? ←
15:02:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, ??P21, +3539149aaaa, Sandro, atemezin, BartvanLeeuwen, MHausenblas, [IPcaller], ??P39, ??P36
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bhyland, ??P21, +3539149aaaa, Sandro, atemezin, BartvanLeeuwen, MHausenblas, [IPcaller], ??P39, ??P36 ←
15:02:56 <Zakim> MHausenblas has cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: MHausenblas has cygri ←
15:02:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see jpalmeida, james, BenediktKaempgen, agipap, jmynarz, DeirdreLee, Zakim, RRSAgent, DaveReynolds, mhausenblas, atemezin, makx, BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, Olcoz, MacTed,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see jpalmeida, james, BenediktKaempgen, agipap, jmynarz, DeirdreLee, Zakim, RRSAgent, DaveReynolds, mhausenblas, atemezin, makx, BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, Olcoz, MacTed, ←
15:02:58 <Zakim> ... cygri, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: ... cygri, trackbot, sandro ←
15:03:05 <bhyland> zakim, ??P21 is makx
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, ??P21 is makx ←
15:03:05 <Zakim> +makx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +makx; got it ←
15:03:11 <agipap> zakim ??P39 is me
Agis Papantoniou: zakim ??P39 is me ←
15:03:21 <agipap> zakim, ??P39 is me
Agis Papantoniou: zakim, ??P39 is me ←
15:03:21 <Zakim> +agipap; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +agipap; got it ←
15:03:29 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, ?P36 is BenediktKaempgen
Benedikt Kaempgen: zakim, ?P36 is BenediktKaempgen ←
15:03:29 <Zakim> sorry, BenediktKaempgen, I do not recognize a party named '?P36'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, BenediktKaempgen, I do not recognize a party named '?P36' ←
15:03:37 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, ??P36 is BenediktKaempgen
Benedikt Kaempgen: zakim, ??P36 is BenediktKaempgen ←
15:03:37 <Zakim> +BenediktKaempgen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +BenediktKaempgen; got it ←
15:03:40 <james> who's on the call?
James McKinney: who's on the call? ←
15:03:48 <cygri> zakim, who is here?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is here? ←
15:03:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, makx, +3539149aaaa, Sandro, atemezin, BartvanLeeuwen, MHausenblas, [IPcaller], agipap, BenediktKaempgen
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bhyland, makx, +3539149aaaa, Sandro, atemezin, BartvanLeeuwen, MHausenblas, [IPcaller], agipap, BenediktKaempgen ←
15:03:50 <Zakim> MHausenblas has cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: MHausenblas has cygri ←
15:03:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see martinAlvarez, olyerickson1, jpalmeida, james, BenediktKaempgen, agipap, jmynarz, DeirdreLee, Zakim, RRSAgent, DaveReynolds, mhausenblas, atemezin, makx,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see martinAlvarez, olyerickson1, jpalmeida, james, BenediktKaempgen, agipap, jmynarz, DeirdreLee, Zakim, RRSAgent, DaveReynolds, mhausenblas, atemezin, makx, ←
15:03:50 <Zakim> ... BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, Olcoz, MacTed, cygri, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: ... BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, Olcoz, MacTed, cygri, trackbot, sandro ←
15:03:50 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←
15:04:08 <bhyland> topic: Review & approval of minutes http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-11-08
15:04:12 <BartvanLeeuwen> bhyland, do a quick minute review
bhyland, do a quick minute review ←
15:04:16 <cygri> zakim, who is noisy?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is noisy? ←
15:04:18 <bhyland> chair: bhyland
15:04:26 <bhyland> scribe: bartvanLeeuwen
15:04:27 <Zakim> cygri, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (20%), atemezin (24%)
Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (20%), atemezin (24%) ←
15:04:32 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, mute me
Benedikt Kaempgen: zakim, mute me ←
15:04:32 <Zakim> BenediktKaempgen should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: BenediktKaempgen should now be muted ←
15:04:55 <Zakim> +??P42
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P42 ←
15:05:14 <olyerickson1> Zakim, ??P42 is me.
John Erickson: Zakim, ??P42 is me. ←
15:05:14 <Zakim> +olyerickson1; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +olyerickson1; got it ←
15:05:16 <Zakim> +??P45
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P45 ←
15:05:31 <Zakim> + +3539149aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +3539149aacc ←
15:05:39 <Zakim> +??P48
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P48 ←
15:05:45 <martinAlvarez> zakim, ??p48 is me
Martín Álvarez: zakim, ??p48 is me ←
15:05:45 <Zakim> +martinAlvarez; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +martinAlvarez; got it ←
15:05:51 <jmynarz> Zakim, ??P45 is me.
Jindřich Mynarz: Zakim, ??P45 is me. ←
15:05:51 <Zakim> +jmynarz; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jmynarz; got it ←
15:06:12 <Olcoz> Hi
Serafin Olcoz: Hi ←
15:06:17 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:06:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, makx, +3539149aaaa, Sandro, atemezin, BartvanLeeuwen, MHausenblas, james, agipap, BenediktKaempgen (muted), DaveReynolds, olyerickson1, jmynarz,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bhyland, makx, +3539149aaaa, Sandro, atemezin, BartvanLeeuwen, MHausenblas, james, agipap, BenediktKaempgen (muted), DaveReynolds, olyerickson1, jmynarz, ←
15:06:20 <Zakim> ... +3539149aacc, martinAlvarez
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +3539149aacc, martinAlvarez ←
15:06:20 <Zakim> MHausenblas has cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: MHausenblas has cygri ←
15:06:31 <Olcoz> I am trying to join you by phone but I can not yet
Serafin Olcoz: I am trying to join you by phone but I can not yet ←
15:06:35 <martinAlvarez> zakim, mute me
Martín Álvarez: zakim, mute me ←
15:06:35 <Zakim> martinAlvarez should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: martinAlvarez should now be muted ←
15:07:02 <Zakim> +[LC]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[LC] ←
15:07:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> bhyland: did we move ADMS into FPWD ?
Bernadette Hyland: did we move ADMS into FPWD ? ←
15:07:07 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-10-25
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-10-25 ←
15:07:11 <tinagheen> Zakim, [LC] is me
Tina Gheen: Zakim, [LC] is me ←
15:07:11 <Zakim> +tinagheen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +tinagheen; got it ←
15:07:31 <cygri> my recollection matches sandro's
Richard Cyganiak: my recollection matches sandro's ←
15:07:47 <olyerickson1> +1 minutes
John Erickson: +1 minutes ←
15:07:48 <Zakim> + +34.68.867.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +34.68.867.aadd ←
15:07:49 <atemezin> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
15:07:53 <BartvanLeeuwen> bhyland: DeirdreLee will track with Phila the ADMS Status
Bernadette Hyland: DeirdreLee will track with Phila the ADMS Status ←
15:07:55 <makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
15:07:57 <agipap> +1
Agis Papantoniou: +1 ←
15:07:57 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
+1 ←
15:07:58 <BenediktKaempgen> +1
Benedikt Kaempgen: +1 ←
15:08:01 <Olcoz> Hi
Serafin Olcoz: Hi ←
15:08:02 <bhyland> approved
Bernadette Hyland: approved ←
15:08:07 <Olcoz> I already join you
Serafin Olcoz: I already join you ←
15:08:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:08:27 <Olcoz> Serafin Olcpoz
Serafin Olcoz: Serafin Olcpoz ←
15:08:29 <Olcoz> Olcoz
Serafin Olcoz: Olcoz ←
15:08:33 <jpalmeida> I am IPcaller
Joao Almeida: I am IPcaller ←
15:08:53 <cygri> zakim, [IPcaller] is jpalmeida
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, [IPcaller] is jpalmeida ←
15:08:53 <Zakim> +jpalmeida; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jpalmeida; got it ←
15:09:23 <bhyland> Topic: recap of conferences that members attended ...
15:09:50 <bhyland> ADMS presented by Gofran COLD workshop at ISWC 2012 (Boston)
Bernadette Hyland: ADMS presented by Gofran COLD workshop at ISWC 2012 (Boston) ←
15:09:57 <sandro> speakerphone noise....?
Sandro Hawke: speakerphone noise....? ←
15:10:00 <bhyland> zakim, who is speaking?
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is speaking? ←
15:10:11 <Zakim> bhyland: listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (12%), makx (27%), Sandro (54%), atemezin (33%), +3539149aacc (13%)
Bernadette Hyland: listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (12%), makx (27%), Sandro (54%), atemezin (33%), +3539149aacc (13%) [ Scribe Assist by Zakim IRC Bot ] ←
15:10:18 <atemezin> Zakim, mute me
Ghislain Atemezing: Zakim, mute me ←
15:10:18 <Zakim> atemezin should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: atemezin should now be muted ←
15:10:33 <bhyland> zakim, aacc is Gofran
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, aacc is Gofran ←
15:10:33 <Zakim> +Gofran; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Gofran; got it ←
15:10:33 <cygri> zakim, aacc is GofranShu
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, aacc is GofranShu ←
15:10:34 <Zakim> sorry, cygri, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, cygri, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc' ←
15:10:50 <BartvanLeeuwen> GofranShu: presented ADMS at COLD workshop during ISWC 2012 Boston
Gofran Shukair: presented ADMS at COLD workshop during ISWC 2012 Boston ←
15:11:03 <BartvanLeeuwen> GofranShu: talked about who is behind it
Gofran Shukair: talked about who is behind it ←
15:11:11 <BartvanLeeuwen> GofranShu: and the API she did for it
Gofran Shukair: and the API she did for it ←
15:11:51 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
15:11:52 <BartvanLeeuwen> bhyland: if you've been to conferences please share slides
Bernadette Hyland: if you've been to conferences please share slides ←
15:12:52 <BartvanLeeuwen> bhyland: majority of ISWC visitors european and asian
Bernadette Hyland: majority of ISWC visitors european and asian ←
15:13:02 <BartvanLeeuwen> bhyland: lot about linked data in poster sessions
Bernadette Hyland: lot about linked data in poster sessions ←
15:13:39 <BartvanLeeuwen> bhyland: industry track, 3 sessions in parallel with a lot of uptake
Bernadette Hyland: industry track, 3 sessions in parallel with a lot of uptake ←
15:14:30 <atemezin> Our group here won the Semantic Web Challenge with EventMedia Live..See the demo of our tool here: http://eventmedia.eurecom.fr/demo.html
Ghislain Atemezing: Our group here won the Semantic Web Challenge with EventMedia Live..See the demo of our tool here: http://eventmedia.eurecom.fr/demo.html ←
15:15:12 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
15:15:30 <BartvanLeeuwen> DeirdreLee: 2 open data events last week in Ireland
Deirdre Lee: 2 open data events last week in Ireland ←
15:15:51 <BartvanLeeuwen> DeirdreLee: 1) Data to drive innovation, by dublin open data portal
Deirdre Lee: 1) Data to drive innovation, by dublin open data portal ←
15:16:09 <bhyland> bhyland: ISWC2012 (Boston), the program is here http://iswc2012.semanticweb.org/program
Bernadette Hyland: ISWC2012 (Boston), the program is here http://iswc2012.semanticweb.org/program [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:16:18 <BartvanLeeuwen> DeirdreLee: first Irish opendata where central government talked about open data policy
Deirdre Lee: first Irish opendata where central government talked about open data policy ←
15:16:39 <BartvanLeeuwen> DeirdreLee: 2) Open data meetup, community event, mixed crowd
Deirdre Lee: 2) Open data meetup, community event, mixed crowd ←
15:16:59 <Zakim> +??P51
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P51 ←
15:17:03 <Zakim> - +34.68.867.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: - +34.68.867.aadd ←
15:17:15 <DeirdreLee> http://data.fingal.ie/Blog/November2012/Name,36164,en.aspx
Deirdre Lee: http://data.fingal.ie/Blog/November2012/Name,36164,en.aspx ←
15:17:23 <atemezin> Also I presented my work on Geodata and the current movement in France to expose their data as RDF at Terra Cognita ..http://www.strabon.di.uoa.gr/terracognita/papers/terra12_submission_1.pdf
Ghislain Atemezing: Also I presented my work on Geodata and the current movement in France to expose their data as RDF at Terra Cognita ..http://www.strabon.di.uoa.gr/terracognita/papers/terra12_submission_1.pdf ←
15:17:33 <BartvanLeeuwen> topic: RegOrg
15:17:41 <bhyland> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/legal/index.html
Bernadette Hyland: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/legal/index.html ←
15:19:09 <BartvanLeeuwen> who is talking ?
who is talking ? ←
15:19:22 <sandro> bhyland, I thought I was talking about org process not regorg process.
Sandro Hawke: bhyland, I thought I was talking about org process not regorg process. ←
15:19:25 <bhyland> agipap whose first name is Agis
Bernadette Hyland: agipap whose first name is Agis ←
15:19:27 <sandro> it's agipap
Sandro Hawke: it's agipap ←
15:19:38 <BartvanLeeuwen> agipap: 3 dimensions on review
Agis Papantoniou: 3 dimensions on review ←
15:19:51 <BartvanLeeuwen> agipap: 1 ) Issue-41 , Issue-46 and Issue-47
Agis Papantoniou: 1 ) ISSUE-41 , ISSUE-46 and ISSUE-47 ←
15:20:01 <atemezin> Issue 41: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/41
Ghislain Atemezing: ISSUE-41: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/41 ←
15:20:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> agipap: 2) lengthy comments on the mailing list
Agis Papantoniou: 2) lengthy comments on the mailing list ←
15:20:09 <bhyland> [1] http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/41
Bernadette Hyland: [1] http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/41 ←
15:20:09 <bhyland> [2] http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/46
Bernadette Hyland: [2] http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/46 ←
15:20:09 <bhyland> [3] http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/47
Bernadette Hyland: [3] http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/47 ←
15:20:30 <BenediktKaempgen> Agis Papantoniou
Benedikt Kaempgen: Agis Papantoniou ←
15:20:41 <BartvanLeeuwen> Issue-46
15:22:50 <sandro> issue-46?
15:22:50 <trackbot> ISSUE-46 -- Should GLD vocabularies define conceptual models too? -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-46 -- Should GLD vocabularies define conceptual models too? -- raised ←
15:22:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/46
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/46 ←
15:23:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:23:16 <Yigal> zakim, IPcaller is me
Yigal Arens: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
15:23:16 <Zakim> +Yigal; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Yigal; got it ←
15:23:27 <bhyland> cygri: Concern is that the RegOrg is written as a conceptual model w/ UML diagram vs. as a RDF centric model
Richard Cyganiak: Concern is that the RegOrg is written as a conceptual model w/ UML diagram vs. as a RDF centric model [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:24:21 <bhyland> cygri … questions why this is the case since the wg's focus is RDF and the docs should reflect that ...
Bernadette Hyland: cygri … questions why this is the case since the wg's focus is RDF and the docs should reflect that ... ←
15:24:24 <BartvanLeeuwen> cygri: its not in our charter to do general model,
Richard Cyganiak: its not in our charter to do general model, ←
15:25:14 <BartvanLeeuwen> cygri: its now represented in a way it is hard for RDF people to figure out how to model
Richard Cyganiak: its now represented in a way it is hard for RDF people to figure out how to model ←
15:25:37 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
15:25:43 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
q+ ←
15:25:47 <DaveReynolds> q+
Dave Reynolds: q+ ←
15:26:26 <cygri> BartvanLeeuwen: is RegOrg the new name for Registered Entity?
Bart van Leeuwen: is RegOrg the new name for Registered Entity? [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
15:26:30 <cygri> bhyland: yes
Bernadette Hyland: yes [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
15:27:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> http://opencorporates.com/companies/nl/34094172.rdf
http://opencorporates.com/companies/nl/34094172.rdf ←
15:27:07 <cygri> BartvanLeeuwen: this seemed clearer in the ISA documents (?) and i wonder why we were retreating back to a more general model
Bart van Leeuwen: this seemed clearer in the ISA documents (?) and i wonder why we were retreating back to a more general model [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
15:28:51 <bhyland> Bart asked why ISA Programme Core Vocab (used by OpenCorporates), provided more RDF centric examples than this one … why is that?
Bernadette Hyland: Bart asked why ISA Programme Core Vocab (used by OpenCorporates), provided more RDF centric examples than this one … why is that? ←
15:29:29 <cygri> BartvanLeeuwen: ISA Core documentation has lots of documentation aimed at RDF. Now RegOrg seems to be a spin-off that's more generic. That confuses me
Bart van Leeuwen: ISA Core documentation has lots of documentation aimed at RDF. Now RegOrg seems to be a spin-off that's more generic. That confuses me [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
15:29:33 <DaveReynolds> ack me
Dave Reynolds: ack me ←
15:29:33 <bhyland> The issue is that the current RegOrg doc is way to high level & leaves it as an exercise to the reader to go look up how to do it in RDF.
Bernadette Hyland: The issue is that the current RegOrg doc is way to high level & leaves it as an exercise to the reader to go look up how to do it in RDF. ←
15:29:40 <bhyland> ack BartvanLeeuwen
Bernadette Hyland: ack BartvanLeeuwen ←
15:29:41 <BartvanLeeuwen> ack me
ack me ←
15:30:20 <bhyland> DaveReynolds: The Legal Entity was renamed Registered Org. This is the vocab that Chris Taggert started ...
Dave Reynolds: The Legal Entity was renamed Registered Org. This is the vocab that Chris Taggert started ... [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:30:43 <bhyland> There is agreement with cygri's point by several wg members ...
Bernadette Hyland: There is agreement with cygri's point by several wg members ... ←
15:31:04 <cygri> dave++
Richard Cyganiak: dave++ ←
15:31:11 <bhyland> … concerns with current structure of the document
Bernadette Hyland: … concerns with current structure of the document ←
15:31:25 <bhyland> … notion of code in UML diagram is completely underspecified.
Bernadette Hyland: … notion of code in UML diagram is completely underspecified. ←
15:31:34 <olyerickson1> See http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/legal/index.html#the-conceptual-model
John Erickson: See http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/legal/index.html#the-conceptual-model ←
15:31:40 <bhyland> … hard to understand the document because it is purely from conceptual point of view.
Bernadette Hyland: … hard to understand the document because it is purely from conceptual point of view. ←
15:31:49 <bhyland> … Recommend that the RDF examples be put in first.
Bernadette Hyland: … Recommend that the RDF examples be put in first. ←
15:34:15 <bhyland> Agipap: Agrees conceptual model can go to appendix. Appreciated the opportunity to discuss on this call.
Agis Papantoniou: Agrees conceptual model can go to appendix. Appreciated the opportunity to discuss on this call. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:34:51 <atemezin> zakim, who is speaking?
Ghislain Atemezing: zakim, who is speaking? ←
15:34:57 <jpalmeida> Ijpalmeida
Joao Almeida: Ijpalmeida ←
15:35:02 <Zakim> atemezin, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (56%), jpalmeida (32%)
Zakim IRC Bot: atemezin, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (56%), jpalmeida (32%) ←
15:35:03 <jpalmeida> João Paulo
Joao Almeida: João Paulo ←
15:35:11 <cygri> agipap, FWIW, i like having a UML model early in the document, but it should be a UML model that contains RDF classes and RDF properties. The current UML document is more high-level, and would be better in an appendix IMHO.
Richard Cyganiak: agipap, FWIW, i like having a UML model early in the document, but it should be a UML model that contains RDF classes and RDF properties. The current UML document is more high-level, and would be better in an appendix IMHO. ←
15:36:14 <cygri> jpalmeida++
Richard Cyganiak: jpalmeida++ ←
15:36:26 <BartvanLeeuwen> jpalmeida: on the mailinglist there is ORG ontology a UML diagram, using the correct notation, why not use this method for the other vocabularies
Joao Almeida: on the mailinglist there is ORG ontology a UML diagram, using the correct notation, why not use this method for the other vocabularies ←
15:37:32 <DaveReynolds> Agreed. The issue is not the UML diagram as such it is that the conceptual model uses names which don't match the RDF terms and uses a notion of "types" whose mapping to RDF is not clear.
Dave Reynolds: Agreed. The issue is not the UML diagram as such it is that the conceptual model uses names which don't match the RDF terms and uses a notion of "types" whose mapping to RDF is not clear. ←
15:37:53 <jpalmeida> +1
Joao Almeida: +1 ←
15:37:58 <BartvanLeeuwen> bhyland: agipap will take comments to the mailing list and update the document accordingly
Bernadette Hyland: agipap will take comments to the mailing list and update the document accordingly ←
15:38:03 <DaveReynolds> q+
Dave Reynolds: q+ ←
15:38:44 <bhyland> ack DaveReynolds
Bernadette Hyland: ack DaveReynolds ←
15:39:26 <BartvanLeeuwen> DaveReynolds, we discuss the representation, not the vocabulary it self, so we could go to FPWD
DaveReynolds, we discuss the representation, not the vocabulary it self, so we could go to FPWD ←
15:39:26 <bhyland> DaveReynolds: We could vote today to take RegOrg to FPWD and acknowledge we're making edits.
Dave Reynolds: We could vote today to take RegOrg to FPWD and acknowledge we're making edits. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:39:27 <makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
15:39:39 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
+1 ←
15:39:42 <bhyland> +1
Bernadette Hyland: +1 ←
15:40:24 <sandro> +1 publish early publish often, with NOTEs about issues not yet addressed
Sandro Hawke: +1 publish early publish often, with NOTEs about issues not yet addressed ←
15:42:31 <BartvanLeeuwen> sandro, all the raised issues should be in the draft
sandro, all the raised issues should be in the draft ←
15:42:44 <bhyland> Sandro: Wants to ensure the issues are properly recorded in the ED, e.g., issue-41, issue-46, issue-47,
Sandro Hawke: Wants to ensure the issues are properly recorded in the ED, e.g., ISSUE-41, ISSUE-46, ISSUE-47, [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:42:52 <BartvanLeeuwen> sandro, so that readers can see the discussion around the issues
sandro, so that readers can see the discussion around the issues ←
15:42:53 <sandro> ... expressed in a way thats clear for novices
Sandro Hawke: ... expressed in a way thats clear for novices ←
15:44:12 <bhyland> … general process for publication is that Editor says the draft reflects the feedback & issues raised by the WG.
Bernadette Hyland: … general process for publication is that Editor says the draft reflects the feedback & issues raised by the WG. ←
15:44:57 <Zakim> -jpalmeida
Zakim IRC Bot: -jpalmeida ←
15:45:28 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
15:45:33 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
15:46:28 <bhyland> Agipap will allocate time to update / edit the issues raised in the RegOrg vocab.
Bernadette Hyland: Agipap will allocate time to update / edit the issues raised in the RegOrg vocab. ←
15:46:30 <BartvanLeeuwen> agipap, we should wait with FPWD so that I can edit the document
agipap, we should wait with FPWD so that I can edit the document ←
15:46:57 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
15:47:10 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:47:24 <jpalmeida> [IPcaller] is jpalmeida
Joao Almeida: [IPcaller] is jpalmeida ←
15:47:31 <jpalmeida> yes
Joao Almeida: yes ←
15:47:35 <jpalmeida> sorry about that
Joao Almeida: sorry about that ←
15:48:35 <bhyland> Cygri: Wants to make explicit the group's desire to advance a document so that people not attending today's meeting appreciate our intention.
Richard Cyganiak: Wants to make explicit the group's desire to advance a document so that people not attending today's meeting appreciate our intention. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:48:54 <BartvanLeeuwen> cygri: if the wg wants to take a decision on advancing a document, we should put it on the agenda, so that people who can not make the call can react as well
Richard Cyganiak: if the wg wants to take a decision on advancing a document, we should put it on the agenda, so that people who can not make the call can react as well ←
15:48:55 <DaveReynolds> The agenda for this meeting did say "Registered Organization (RegOrg) to FPWD discussion" which is why I was assuming the proposal was to put it to a vote.
Dave Reynolds: The agenda for this meeting did say "Registered Organization (RegOrg) to FPWD discussion" which is why I was assuming the proposal was to put it to a vote. ←
15:49:06 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
15:49:10 <bhyland> ack cygri
Bernadette Hyland: ack cygri ←
15:49:37 <mhausenblas> +1 to what Richard said re making expectations explicit
Michael Hausenblas: +1 to what Richard said re making expectations explicit ←
15:49:59 <BartvanLeeuwen> Topic: Overview of W3C LC to CR Procedure
15:50:17 <BartvanLeeuwen> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#rec-advance
http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#rec-advance ←
15:51:31 <BartvanLeeuwen> bhyland: after a contact with DaveReynolds to advance ORG sandro jumped in that process needs a bit more time
Bernadette Hyland: after a contact with DaveReynolds to advance ORG Sandro outlined the steps & timeline that shows there isn't sufficient time to completed before getting ORG to Call for Implementations in the W3C Process Pipeline needs a bit more time ←
15:53:00 <bhyland> s/sandro jumped in that process/Sandro outlined the steps & timeline that shows there isn't sufficient time to completed before getting ORG to Call for Implementations in the W3C Process Pipeline
15:53:23 <bhyland> … before calendar year end (2012)
Bernadette Hyland: … before calendar year end (2012) ←
15:53:50 <bhyland> Sandro: We have to have two systems using this spec, is called "Call for Implementations", see http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#cfi
Sandro Hawke: We have to have two systems using this spec, is called "Call for Implementations", see http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#cfi [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:54:29 <bhyland> … for a vocab, this means two examples of systems using the vocab and systems using (consuming) the data with all the terms.
Bernadette Hyland: … for a vocab, this means two examples of systems using the vocab and systems using (consuming) the data with all the terms. ←
15:54:36 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
15:56:11 <bhyland> DaveReynolds: May be challenging to show use of all terms of a vocabulary. Of course, each term was motivated by use cases initially. We need to show interoperability of independent publisher(s) and consumer(s) ...
Dave Reynolds: May be challenging to show use of all terms of a vocabulary. Of course, each term was motivated by use cases initially. We need to show interoperability of independent publisher(s) and consumer(s) ... [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:56:34 <bhyland> … Keeping track of independent publishers & consumers may be tricky.
Bernadette Hyland: … Keeping track of independent publishers & consumers may be tricky. ←
15:56:54 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
15:57:56 <bhyland> … Going down tracking approach may require more overhead than it is worth. IF we're successful tracking, and say we find no one is consuming some terms, what do we do? Remove the terms?
Bernadette Hyland: … Going down tracking approach may require more overhead than it is worth. IF we're successful tracking, and say we find no one is consuming some terms, what do we do? Remove the terms? ←
15:58:13 <bhyland> … sounds like too much overhead for value return
Bernadette Hyland: … sounds like too much overhead for value return ←
15:58:32 <bhyland> Sandro: Described how the process was handled for SKOS
Sandro Hawke: Described how the process was handled for SKOS [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
16:00:16 <bhyland> Sandro: W3C process is there to help us. As long we make a principled argument to modify it, we should be OK. More importantly, if government publishers & consumers find it acceptable, that may trump W3C process.
Sandro Hawke: W3C process is there to help us. As long we make a principled argument to modify it, we should be OK. More importantly, if government publishers & consumers find it acceptable, that may trump W3C process. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
16:00:23 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
<bart> Topic: closing notes
16:01:22 <BartvanLeeuwen> bhyland: please respond to the doodle pole: http://www.doodle.com/3w7wnzy45ehn7iqi
Bernadette Hyland: please respond to the doodle pole: http://www.doodle.com/3w7wnzy45ehn7iqi ←
16:01:26 <atemezin> Question What about the Google hangout next week?
Ghislain Atemezing: Question What about the Google hangout next week? ←
16:01:41 <bhyland> Please fill out the Doodle poll re: interest & availability to travel Dublin for the next & final GLD WG F2F. http://doodle.com/3w7wnzy45ehn7iqi
Bernadette Hyland: Please fill out the Doodle poll re: interest & availability to travel Dublin for the next & final GLD WG F2F. http://doodle.com/3w7wnzy45ehn7iqi ←
16:03:04 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
16:03:13 <olyerickson1> Thanks Bernadette!
John Erickson: Thanks Bernadette! ←
16:03:21 <Zakim> -Yigal
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16:03:25 <bhyland> Meeting adjourned.
Bernadette Hyland: Meeting adjourned. ←
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16:03:34 <DaveReynolds> bye all
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16:04:08 <BenediktKaempgen> bye
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