Government Linked Data Working Group Minutes, 26 January 2012

Government Linked Data Working Group

Minutes of 26 January 2012

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Anne Washington, Bart van Leeuwen, Benedikt Kaempgen, Bernadette Hyland, Boris Villazón-Terrazas, Chris Musialek, Cory Casanave, Dan Gillman, Daniel Vila, Dave Reynolds, Fadi Maali, George Thomas, Gerald Steeman, Ghislain Atemezing, Hadley Beeman, John Erickson, Michael Hausenblas, Michael Pendleton, Phil Archer, Richard Cyganiak, Ronald Reck, Sandro Hawke, Sarven Capadisli, Stasinos Konstantopoulos, Tina Gheen, Unknown DeirdreLee, Unknown GofranShukair, Unknown SimpsonTP_, Unknown galway, Unknown rreck_again, Yigal Arens

Scribe

Richard Cyganiak, Benedikt Kaempgen, Ghislain Atemezing, Fadi Maali

IRC Log

Original and Editable Wiki Version

Resolutions

Moving http://www.epimorphics.com/public/vocabulary/org.html into W3C namespace and consider it as addressing 4. of section 2.3 of our charter link
Richard C acts as liaison point for OKF/CKAN regarding DCAT link
The GLD WG decides to publish BP, DCAT, QB and ORG as FPWD on the REC-Track, while people area will be addressed later link
The GLD WG decides to publish the first batch of FPWD by end of Feb 2012 with 9 Feb ready for WG review and final decision to be taken on 23 Feb. link

Topics

Report on work since yesterday
Standard Vocabularies
ADMS discussion
ADMS
Procurement use cases.
Stability
Stability (continued) by AnneW
DCAT
Review of all outstanding Documents that the WG is updating
FPWD Best Practices timing

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11:04:04 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/01/26-gld-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/01/26-gld-irc ←

11:04:19 <cygri> ACTION: cygri to move dcat-related content from eGov wiki to GLD wiki

ACTION: cygri to move dcat-related content from eGov wiki to GLD wiki ←

11:04:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-37 - Move dcat-related content from eGov wiki to GLD wiki [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2012-02-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-37 - Move dcat-related content from eGov wiki to GLD wiki [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2012-02-02]. ←

11:05:36 <PhilA> close Action-29 Completed 26/1/12

Phil Archer: close ACTION-29 Completed 26/1/12 ←

11:33:03 <PhilA> action-29 Close

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Phil Archer: ACTION-29 Close ←

11:34:14 <PhilA> close Action-29

Phil Archer: close ACTION-29 ←

11:34:15 <trackbot> ACTION-29 Add products on issue tracker closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-29 Add products on issue tracker closed ←

11:36:44 <PhilA> action: PhilA to convert editors' draft of DCAT to make use of respec

ACTION: PhilA to convert editors' draft of DCAT to make use of respec ←

11:36:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-38 - Convert editors' draft of DCAT to make use of respec [on Phil Archer - due 2012-02-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-38 - Convert editors' draft of DCAT to make use of respec [on Phil Archer - due 2012-02-02]. ←

11:37:10 <cygri> ACTION: cygri to update http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat to point to the new dcat ED

ACTION: cygri to update http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat to point to the new dcat ED ←

11:37:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-39 - Update http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat to point to the new dcat ED [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2012-02-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-39 - Update http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat to point to the new dcat ED [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2012-02-02]. ←

11:57:47 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone

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Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone ←

11:57:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', cygri ←

11:57:55 <HadleyBeeman> Does zakim know that this IRC channel is connected to our call?

Hadley Beeman: Does zakim know that this IRC channel is connected to our call? ←

11:57:58 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone? ←

11:57:58 <Zakim> sorry, cygri, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, cygri, I don't know what conference this is ←

11:57:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see dvilasuero, mhausenblas, Zakim, fadi, RRSAgent, PhilA, cygri, csarven, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman, cgueret_work, rreck, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see dvilasuero, mhausenblas, Zakim, fadi, RRSAgent, PhilA, cygri, csarven, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman, cgueret_work, rreck, trackbot, sandro ←

11:58:05 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, this is GLD1

Hadley Beeman: zakim, this is GLD1 ←

11:58:05 <Zakim> ok, HadleyBeeman; that matches SW_e-Gov( GLD)6:30AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, HadleyBeeman; that matches SW_e-Gov( GLD)6:30AM ←

11:58:18 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone? ←

11:58:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see galway, HadleyBeeman, [LC]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see galway, HadleyBeeman, [LC] ←

11:58:27 <cygri> zakim, fadi is with galway

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, fadi is with galway ←

11:58:27 <Zakim> +fadi; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +fadi; got it ←

11:58:34 <cygri> zakim, PhilA is with galway

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, PhilA is with galway ←

11:58:34 <Zakim> +PhilA; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +PhilA; got it ←

11:58:39 <cygri> zakim, dvilasuero is with galway

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, dvilasuero is with galway ←

11:58:39 <Zakim> +dvilasuero; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dvilasuero; got it ←

11:58:43 <cygri> zakim, i'm with galway

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, i'm with galway ←

11:58:43 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←

11:58:57 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is with galway

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mhausenblas is with galway ←

11:58:57 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas; got it ←

11:59:08 <cygri> zakim, GofranShukair is with galway

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, GofranShukair is with galway ←

11:59:08 <Zakim> +GofranShukair; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +GofranShukair; got it ←

11:59:23 <cygri> zakim, BartvanLeeuwen is with galway

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, BartvanLeeuwen is with galway ←

11:59:23 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it ←

11:59:33 <cygri> zakim, csarven is with galway

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, csarven is with galway ←

11:59:33 <Zakim> +csarven; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +csarven; got it ←

12:00:08 <cygri> (ghislain, boris, spyros and deirdre are not yet on IRC)

Richard Cyganiak: (ghislain, boris, spyros and deirdre are not yet on IRC) ←

12:00:35 <cygri> zakim, BenediktKaempgen is with galway

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, BenediktKaempgen is with galway ←

12:00:35 <Zakim> +BenediktKaempgen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BenediktKaempgen; got it ←

12:00:42 <cygri> zakim, gatemezin is with galway

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, gatemezin is with galway ←

12:00:42 <Zakim> +gatemezin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +gatemezin; got it ←

12:00:48 <BenediktKaempgen> thanks, cygri

Benedikt Kaempgen: thanks, cygri ←

12:00:57 <gatemezin> @cygri, thanks!!

Ghislain Atemezing: @cygri, thanks!! ←

12:01:04 <Zakim> +sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro ←

12:01:19 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone? ←

12:01:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see galway, HadleyBeeman, [LC], sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see galway, HadleyBeeman, [LC], sandro ←

12:01:20 <Zakim> galway has galway, fadi, PhilA, dvilasuero, cygri, mhausenblas, GofranShukair, BartvanLeeuwen, csarven, BenediktKaempgen, gatemezin

Zakim IRC Bot: galway has galway, fadi, PhilA, dvilasuero, cygri, mhausenblas, GofranShukair, BartvanLeeuwen, csarven, BenediktKaempgen, gatemezin ←

12:01:32 <Zakim> +olyerickson

Zakim IRC Bot: +olyerickson ←

12:02:34 <HadleyBeeman> :)

Hadley Beeman: :) ←

12:05:06 <Zakim> +GeraldSteeman

Zakim IRC Bot: +GeraldSteeman ←

12:05:43 <mhausenblas> zakim, who's here>?

Michael Hausenblas: zakim, who's here>? ←

12:05:43 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, mhausenblas.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, mhausenblas. ←

12:05:45 <mhausenblas> zakim, who's here?

Michael Hausenblas: zakim, who's here? ←

12:05:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see galway, HadleyBeeman, [LC], sandro, olyerickson, GeraldSteeman

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see galway, HadleyBeeman, [LC], sandro, olyerickson, GeraldSteeman ←

12:05:47 <Zakim> galway has galway, fadi, PhilA, dvilasuero, cygri, mhausenblas, GofranShukair, BartvanLeeuwen, csarven, BenediktKaempgen, gatemezin

Zakim IRC Bot: galway has galway, fadi, PhilA, dvilasuero, cygri, mhausenblas, GofranShukair, BartvanLeeuwen, csarven, BenediktKaempgen, gatemezin ←

12:05:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see boris, BenediktKaempgen, gatemezin, t_gheen, GofranShukair, dvilasuero, mhausenblas, Zakim, fadi, RRSAgent, PhilA, cygri, csarven, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see boris, BenediktKaempgen, gatemezin, t_gheen, GofranShukair, dvilasuero, mhausenblas, Zakim, fadi, RRSAgent, PhilA, cygri, csarven, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman, ←

12:05:53 <Zakim> ... cgueret_work, rreck, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... cgueret_work, rreck, trackbot, sandro ←

12:06:07 <cygri> zakim, boris is with galway

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, boris is with galway ←

12:06:07 <Zakim> +boris; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +boris; got it ←

12:06:10 <Zakim> +Washington

Zakim IRC Bot: +Washington ←

12:06:17 <HadleyBeeman> Morning, Washington

Hadley Beeman: Morning, Washington ←

12:09:04 <HadleyBeeman> Wasn't there going to be some breakout work from eGov as well (on DCAT)?

Hadley Beeman: Wasn't there going to be some breakout work from eGov as well (on DCAT)? ←

12:09:16 <t_gheen> Zakim, [LC] is me

Tina Gheen: Zakim, [LC] is me ←

12:09:16 <Zakim> +t_gheen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +t_gheen; got it ←

12:12:52 <PhilA> scribe: cygri

(Scribe set to Richard Cyganiak)

12:12:58 <cygri> zakim, spyroskotoulas is with galway

zakim, spyroskotoulas is with galway ←

12:12:58 <Zakim> +spyroskotoulas; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +spyroskotoulas; got it ←

12:13:04 <cygri> zakim, DeirdreLee is with galway

zakim, DeirdreLee is with galway ←

12:13:04 <Zakim> +DeirdreLee; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +DeirdreLee; got it ←

12:14:28 <cygri> gatemezin: ghislain atemezing, EURECOM, france

Ghislain Atemezing: ghislain atemezing, EURECOM, france ←

12:14:51 <mhausenblas> ACTION-31?

Michael Hausenblas: ACTION-31? ←

12:14:51 <trackbot> ACTION-31 -- Boris Villazón-Terrazas to create a Wiki page on multi-lingualism of vocabs -- due 2012-02-01 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-31 -- Boris Villazón-Terrazas to create a Wiki page on multi-lingualism of vocabs -- due 2012-02-01 -- OPEN ←

12:14:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/31

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/31 ←

12:14:57 <cygri> topic: Report on work since yesterday

1. Report on work since yesterday

12:15:08 <boris> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Multi-lingualismOfVocabs

Boris Villazón-Terrazas: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Multi-lingualismOfVocabs ←

12:15:10 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-31

Michael Hausenblas: close ACTION-31 ←

12:15:10 <trackbot> ACTION-31 Create a Wiki page on multi-lingualism of vocabs closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-31 Create a Wiki page on multi-lingualism of vocabs closed ←

12:15:12 <cygri> boris: we created a wiki page on multilingual issues

Boris Villazón-Terrazas: we created a wiki page on multilingual issues ←

12:15:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←

12:15:32 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-32?

Michael Hausenblas: close ACTION-32? ←

12:15:35 <cygri> mhausenblas: all please contribute to this page

Michael Hausenblas: all please contribute to this page ←

12:15:38 <mhausenblas> ACTION-32?

Michael Hausenblas: ACTION-32? ←

12:15:38 <trackbot> ACTION-32 -- Michael Hausenblas to compile first version of vocabulary selection quality checklist -- due 2012-02-01 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-32 -- Michael Hausenblas to compile first version of vocabulary selection quality checklist -- due 2012-02-01 -- OPEN ←

12:15:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/32

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/32 ←

12:15:42 <DaveReynolds> zakim, IPcaller is me

Dave Reynolds: zakim, IPcaller is me ←

12:15:42 <Zakim> +DaveReynolds; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +DaveReynolds; got it ←

12:15:47 <DaveReynolds> zakim, mute me

Dave Reynolds: zakim, mute me ←

12:15:47 <Zakim> DaveReynolds should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: DaveReynolds should now be muted ←

12:15:50 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←

12:16:00 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-32

Michael Hausenblas: close ACTION-32 ←

12:16:00 <trackbot> ACTION-32 Compile first version of vocabulary selection quality checklist closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-32 Compile first version of vocabulary selection quality checklist closed ←

12:16:02 <boris> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/VocabularySelectionQualityChecklist

Boris Villazón-Terrazas: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/VocabularySelectionQualityChecklist ←

12:16:13 <cygri> mhausenblas: we did a first cut of vocabulary selection checklist

Michael Hausenblas: we did a first cut of vocabulary selection checklist ←

12:16:15 <stasinos> Zakim, [IPcaller] is stasinos

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: Zakim, [IPcaller] is stasinos ←

12:16:15 <Zakim> +stasinos; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +stasinos; got it ←

12:16:59 <cygri> q+

q+ ←

12:17:07 <cygri> mhausenblas: vocabulary selection might be too restrictive, so we reinterpreted as "dealing with vocabularies"

Michael Hausenblas: vocabulary selection might be too restrictive, so we reinterpreted as "dealing with vocabularies" ←

12:17:17 <cygri> ... to cover vocabulary discovery, selection and creation

... to cover vocabulary discovery, selection and creation ←

12:18:00 <cygri> ... we expect that most users will be well-served by info on discovery+selection

... we expect that most users will be well-served by info on discovery+selection ←

12:18:08 <cygri> ... but some will need to create new ones

... but some will need to create new ones ←

12:18:41 <cygri> ... discussing ontology creation methodologies are out of scope but might point to them informatively

... discussing ontology creation methodologies are out of scope but might point to them informatively ←

12:19:27 <cygri> ... versioning ...

... versioning ... ←

12:20:17 <cygri> ... flow chart ... driven by usage ... add/remove terms ...

... flow chart ... driven by usage ... add/remove terms ... ←

12:20:36 <cygri> ... deprecating vocabularies

... deprecating vocabularies ←

12:20:51 <cygri> ... some cross-cutting issues

... some cross-cutting issues ←

12:21:16 <cygri> ... like stability

... like stability ←

12:21:38 <PhilA> ack cygri

Phil Archer: ack cygri ←

12:21:51 <PhilA> cygri: This was all about vocab selection?

Richard Cyganiak: This was all about vocab selection? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

12:22:00 <olyerickson1> When I browse to the Vocab Selection wiki, it doesn't show me as logged in...even though I'm logged in

John Erickson: When I browse to the Vocab Selection wiki, it doesn't show me as logged in...even though I'm logged in ←

12:22:04 <PhilA> cygri: No, part 1 was selection and discover, part 2 was about management

Michael Hausenblas: No, part 1 was selection and discover, part 2 was about management [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

12:22:31 <PhilA> s/cygri:/mhausenblas:/

12:22:59 <PhilA> mhausenblas: We said we want to provide a checklist, not a list of recommended vocabs

Michael Hausenblas: We said we want to provide a checklist, not a list of recommended vocabs [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

12:23:23 <mhausenblas> [[Vocabulary Selection. The group will provide advice on how governments should select RDF vocabulary terms (URIs), including advice as to when they should mint their own. This advice will take into account issues of stability, security, and long-term maintenance commitment, as well as other factors that may arise during the group's work.]

Michael Hausenblas: [[Vocabulary Selection. The group will provide advice on how governments should select RDF vocabulary terms (URIs), including advice as to when they should mint their own. This advice will take into account issues of stability, security, and long-term maintenance commitment, as well as other factors that may arise during the group's work.] ←

12:23:24 <PhilA> cygri: The charter doesn't mention vocab creation. It seems that we're stretching the charter

Richard Cyganiak: The charter doesn't mention vocab creation. It seems that we're stretching the charter [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

12:23:30 <sandro> "advice as to when they should mint their own"

Sandro Hawke: "advice as to when they should mint their own" ←

12:23:36 <sandro> (but not *how*  :-)

Sandro Hawke: (but not *how* :-) ←

12:24:12 <PhilA> cygri: So my preference would be to stop at the point where selection and discovery fails

Richard Cyganiak: So my preference would be to stop at the point where selection and discovery fails [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

12:24:22 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q? ←

12:24:23 <DaveReynolds> Exactly, don't try to give pointers to advice on vocabulary creation. There's lots out there already and doing a comprehensive enough job seems out of scope.

Dave Reynolds: Exactly, don't try to give pointers to advice on vocabulary creation. There's lots out there already and doing a comprehensive enough job seems out of scope. ←

12:24:24 <sandro> q=

Sandro Hawke: q= ←

12:24:25 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+ ←

12:24:50 <bhyland> ‰q+

Bernadette Hyland: ‰q+ ←

12:24:58 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q? ←

12:25:01 <PhilA> mhausenblas: There aren't any established BPs for vocab creation, stuff like deprecating terms and so on.

Michael Hausenblas: There aren't any established BPs for vocab creation, stuff like deprecating terms and so on. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

12:25:03 <bhyland> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←

12:25:18 <PhilA> mhausenblas: If you don't talk about deprecation at all then people may think that it isn't possible

Michael Hausenblas: If you don't talk about deprecation at all then people may think that it isn't possible [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

12:25:38 <DaveReynolds> So explicitly state what issues are NOT covered, but don't try to partially cover then through "informative" sections.

Dave Reynolds: So explicitly state what issues are NOT covered, but don't try to partially cover then through "informative" sections. ←

12:25:38 <PhilA> mhausenblas: But people should be aware of the issues around creation

Michael Hausenblas: But people should be aware of the issues around creation [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

12:26:26 <PhilA> mhausenblas: So I agree with cygri - but we should focus on selection and discovery but then include a paragraph talking about what the issues are?

Michael Hausenblas: So I agree with cygri - but we should focus on selection and discovery but then include a paragraph talking about what the issues are? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

12:26:36 <PhilA> cygri: The otehr things was stability, versioning etc.

Richard Cyganiak: The other things was stability, versioning etc. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

12:27:06 <gatemezin> s/otehr/other

12:27:08 <PhilA> cygri: Is it worth breaking those out in the vocab selection? They get discussed in the BP document anyway so can we just refer to that?

Richard Cyganiak: Is it worth breaking those out in the vocab selection? They get discussed in the BP document anyway so can we just refer to that? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

12:27:14 <olyerickson> I think we need to make stakeholders aware (a) that vocab selection matters (b) that there are best practices for selecting vocabs, based on common usage (c) that custom creation is possible but should be deferred if prior existing vocabs exist (d) that long-turn "stability" of vocabularies may be a factor

John Erickson: I think we need to make stakeholders aware (a) that vocab selection matters (b) that there are best practices for selecting vocabs, based on common usage (c) that custom creation is possible but should be deferred if prior existing vocabs exist (d) that long-turn "stability" of vocabularies may be a factor ←

12:27:35 <PhilA> sandro: I agree with what's being sai

Sandro Hawke: I agree with what's being said [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

12:27:41 <PhilA> s/sai/said/

12:27:57 <cygri> good point sandro

good point sandro ←

12:28:44 <cygri> sandro: when we say what consumers are looking for in a vocabulary, this also helps producers to understand what vocabulary consumers are looking for

Sandro Hawke: when we say what consumers are looking for in a vocabulary, this also helps producers to understand what vocabulary consumers are looking for ←

12:28:54 <cygri> ... so it's discovery/selection/evaluation

... so it's discovery/selection/evaluation ←

12:29:42 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+ ←

12:29:42 <olyerickson> We should provide guidance (or pointers) to "evaluation criteria" rather than specific evaluation criteria. Also, evaluation criteria (and ratings systems0 for vocabs are evolving

John Erickson: We should provide guidance (or pointers) to "evaluation criteria" rather than specific evaluation criteria. Also, evaluation criteria (and ratings systems0 for vocabs are evolving ←

12:29:43 <cygri> mhausenblas: eager to capture experience of vocabulary maintainers, like danbri

Michael Hausenblas: eager to capture experience of vocabulary maintainers, like danbri ←

12:29:47 <olyerickson> q?

John Erickson: q? ←

12:30:10 <George> ack sandro

George Thomas: ack sandro ←

12:30:14 <cygri> bhyland: creation of vocabularies should be a book of its own

Bernadette Hyland: creation of vocabularies should be a book of its own ←

12:30:15 <George> ack bhyland

George Thomas: ack bhyland ←

12:30:57 <cygri> ... better to restrict to selection criteria. pay attention to who maintains the vocabulary, is there a long-term maintenance plan in place etc

... better to restrict to selection criteria. pay attention to who maintains the vocabulary, is there a long-term maintenance plan in place etc ←

12:31:08 <George> ack

George Thomas: ack ←

12:31:11 <George> ack PhilA

George Thomas: ack PhilA ←

12:31:31 <cygri> PhilA: i wrote stuff for the EC last year that covers much of what we just talked about. i'll contribute that

Phil Archer: i wrote stuff for the EC last year that covers much of what we just talked about. i'll contribute that ←

12:32:07 <PhilA> action: PhilA to reflect on SEMIC advice on vocab selection etc. to see if there is more to contribute to the BP doc

ACTION: PhilA to reflect on SEMIC advice on vocab selection etc. to see if there is more to contribute to the BP doc ←

12:32:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-40 - Reflect on SEMIC advice on vocab selection etc. to see if there is more to contribute to the BP doc [on Phil Archer - due 2012-02-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-40 - Reflect on SEMIC advice on vocab selection etc. to see if there is more to contribute to the BP doc [on Phil Archer - due 2012-02-02]. ←

12:32:13 <mhausenblas> https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/open

Michael Hausenblas: https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/open ←

12:32:43 <bhyland> @Michael, et al, are we all agreed this is the main wiki page for Vocabulary discussion from which all other sub pages will be linked? See http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Vocabulary_Discussion_Summary

Bernadette Hyland: @Michael, et al, are we all agreed this is the main wiki page for Vocabulary discussion from which all other sub pages will be linked? See http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Vocabulary_Discussion_Summary ←

12:32:46 <mhausenblas> q+ to talk about on how to use products (very quickly)

Michael Hausenblas: q+ to talk about on how to use products (very quickly) ←

12:33:12 <cygri> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/dcat/index.html

http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/dcat/index.html ←

12:33:22 <mhausenblas> Michael: Yes, bhyland, I think so

Michael Hausenblas: Yes, bhyland, I think so [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

12:33:30 <bhyland> ta

Bernadette Hyland: ta ←

12:33:40 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2

http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2 ←

12:33:52 <PhilA> I have linked the newly public Editors; draft from today's agenda

Phil Archer: I have linked the newly public Editors; draft from today's agenda ←

12:33:58 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary

http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary ←

12:34:25 <George> ack mhausenblas

George Thomas: ack mhausenblas ←

12:34:25 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to talk about on how to use products (very quickly)

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to talk about on how to use products (very quickly) ←

12:34:54 <cygri> cygri: we have a dcat editor's draft, updated list of dcat issues, and a stub wiki page for dcat on the gld wiki

Richard Cyganiak: we have a dcat editor's draft, updated list of dcat issues, and a stub wiki page for dcat on the gld wiki ←

12:35:08 <cygri> mhausenblas: we now have separate products for dcat, best practices, cube in the tracker

Michael Hausenblas: we now have separate products for dcat, best practices, cube in the tracker ←

12:35:12 <bhyland> What is the list of "products" in Tracker for us to assign?

Bernadette Hyland: What is the list of "products" in Tracker for us to assign? ←

12:35:19 <cygri> ... so please assign new issues to the respective product

... so please assign new issues to the respective product ←

12:35:25 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products

http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products ←

12:36:38 <cygri> mhausenblas: when you create/edit an issue, there's a product dropdown

Michael Hausenblas: when you create/edit an issue, there's a product dropdown ←

12:36:45 <cygri> ... i think you can't assign issues to products from IRC

... i think you can't assign issues to products from IRC ←

12:36:47 <olyerickson> bhyland you can create in IRC then fine-tune in the hyperinterface

John Erickson: bhyland you can create in IRC then fine-tune in the hyperinterface ←

12:37:54 <cygri> topic: Standard Vocabularies

2. Standard Vocabularies

12:38:06 <olyerickson> PLEASE specify pages when we're talking about specific pages

John Erickson: PLEASE specify pages when we're talking about specific pages ←

12:38:11 <cygri> bhyland: there's a lengthy list of people here http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Vocabulary_Discussion_Summary#Vocabulary_5:_Geography.2C_Spatial_Information

Bernadette Hyland: there's a lengthy list of people here http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Vocabulary_Discussion_Summary#Vocabulary_5:_Geography.2C_Spatial_Information ←

12:39:03 <cygri> ... whom do i chase?

... whom do i chase? ←

12:39:16 <cygri> PhilA: for dcat, that's me, fadi, john, richard

Phil Archer: for dcat, that's me, fadi, john, richard ←

12:39:27 <cygri> cygri: for data cube, we have a list from yesterday

Richard Cyganiak: for data cube, we have a list from yesterday ←

12:39:48 <cygri> mhausenblas: looking at the charter, how do we break this down into specs?

Michael Hausenblas: looking at the charter, how do we break this down into specs? ←

12:39:51 <cygri> q+

q+ ←

12:40:15 <cygri> sandro: no umbrella spec necessary

Sandro Hawke: no umbrella spec necessary ←

12:40:28 <cygri> bhyland: we talked about it a bit yesterday

Bernadette Hyland: we talked about it a bit yesterday ←

12:40:49 <DaveReynolds> Surely vocab guidance is in Best Practices document

Dave Reynolds: Surely vocab guidance is in Best Practices document ←

12:40:55 <cygri> ... i think we might want to have an umbrella spec about selection etc

... i think we might want to have an umbrella spec about selection etc ←

12:41:10 <cygri> sandro: the umbrella spec should be the Best Practices

Sandro Hawke: the umbrella spec should be the Best Practices ←

12:41:26 <cygri> mhausenblas: so for each of the five areas in Standard Vocabularies, what do we do?

Michael Hausenblas: so for each of the five areas in Standard Vocabularies, what do we do? ←

12:41:26 <olyerickson> What "5 points" where are we looking...

John Erickson: What "5 points" where are we looking... ←

12:41:38 <cygri> olyerickson, look at the charter

olyerickson, look at the charter ←

12:41:56 <olyerickson> Okay thanks

John Erickson: Okay thanks ←

12:42:01 <cygri> mhausenblas: charter, section 2.3

Michael Hausenblas: charter, section 2.3 ←

12:42:32 <cygri> ... metadata corresponds to dcat, statistical cube data to data cube, don't know about the rest

... metadata corresponds to dcat, statistical cube data to data cube, don't know about the rest ←

12:42:47 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

12:42:51 <cygri> q-

q- ←

12:43:15 <olyerickson> Thanks mhausenblas (just trying to make sure we have links with words like "these" ;) )

John Erickson: Thanks mhausenblas (just trying to make sure we have links with words like "these" ;) ) ←

12:43:30 <cygri> PhilA: the work i'm currently �doing for the EC covers people, legal entities

Phil Archer: the work i'm currently �doing for the EC covers people, legal entities ←

12:43:43 <cygri> ... i'd like to put some energy into organization ontology

... i'd like to put some energy into organization ontology ←

12:43:49 <mhausenblas> Michael: I'd be interested in learning from DaveReynolds  if he'd be willing to/interested to move ORG ontology into W3C (see 4. in section 2.3 of our charter)

Michael Hausenblas: I'd be interested in learning from DaveReynolds if he'd be willing to/interested to move ORG ontology into W3C (see 4. in section 2.3 of our charter) [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

12:43:53 <mhausenblas> q+

Michael Hausenblas: q+ ←

12:44:02 <mhausenblas> ack me

Michael Hausenblas: ack me ←

12:44:10 <DaveReynolds> ack me

Dave Reynolds: ack me ←

12:44:46 <cygri> DaveReynolds: transferring into w3c namespace and w3c care would be good

Dave Reynolds: transferring into w3c namespace and w3c care would be good ←

12:44:55 <cygri> ... i can do very little work on that though

... i can do very little work on that though ←

12:45:04 <cygri> ... it's completely public domain, so no ip issues

... it's completely public domain, so no ip issues ←

12:45:12 <cmusialek> I'd be interested in putting some energy into the organization ontology as well.

Chris Musialek: I'd be interested in putting some energy into the organization ontology as well. ←

12:45:49 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Moving http://www.epimorphics.com/public/vocabulary/org.html into W3C namespace and consider it as addressing 4. of section 2.3 of our charter

PROPOSED: Moving http://www.epimorphics.com/public/vocabulary/org.html into W3C namespace and consider it as addressing 4. of section 2.3 of our charter ←

12:45:59 <DaveReynolds> q+ to ask about timescales

Dave Reynolds: q+ to ask about timescales ←

12:46:03 <cmusialek> Data.gov is interested in implementing an organization ontology for US govt entities in the short term

Chris Musialek: Data.gov is interested in implementing an organization ontology for US govt entities in the short term ←

12:46:14 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

12:46:35 <cygri> http://www.epimorphics.com/public/vocabulary/org.html

http://www.epimorphics.com/public/vocabulary/org.html ←

12:46:49 <PhilA> ack DanG

Phil Archer: ack DanG ←

12:46:54 <PhilA> ack DaveReynolds

Phil Archer: ack DaveReynolds ←

12:46:54 <Zakim> DaveReynolds, you wanted to ask about timescales

Zakim IRC Bot: DaveReynolds, you wanted to ask about timescales ←

12:47:28 <cygri> DaveReynolds: this ontology is aimed at generic re-usable concepts. so it has to be extended for particular used

Dave Reynolds: this ontology is aimed at generic re-usable concepts. so it has to be extended for particular uses ←

12:47:34 <mhausenblas> q+ to clarify his proposal

Michael Hausenblas: q+ to clarify his proposal ←

12:47:37 <cygri> s/particular used/particular uses/

12:47:57 <cygri> ... so data.gov.uk had to extend it for UK gov use

... so data.gov.uk had to extend it for UK gov use ←

12:48:05 <cygri> charter: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter

Scribe problem: the name 'charter' does not match any of the 59 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Dean Allemang Martín Álvarez Phil Archer Yigal Arens Ghislain Atemezing Hadley Beeman Luis Bermudez William Brafford Lyle Burgoon Sarven Capadisli Cory Casanave Richard Cyganiak John Erickson Maria Fernandez Ruiz Yosuke Funahashi Tina Gheen Dan Gillman Asunción Gómez Pérez John Goodwin Jorge Gracia Jonathan Gray Christophe Gueret David Hau Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Bernadette Hyland Benedikt Kaempgen Martin Kaltenböck Stasinos Konstantopoulos Fadi Maali Bede McCall Daniel Mekonnen Elena Montiel Ponsoda Aitor Moreno Chris Musialek Tope Omitola Michael Pendleton Irene Polikoff David Price Ronald Reck Dave Reynolds John Sheridan David Smith John Speakman Biplav Srivastava Gerald Steeman George Thomas Raphaël Troncy Bart van Leeuwen Daniel Vila Boris Villazón-Terrazas Eric VonColln Simon Wall Anne Washington Zachary Whitley Mohamed ZERGAOUI Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown charter: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter ←

12:48:15 <cygri> DaveReynolds: what's the timescale?

Dave Reynolds: what's the timescale? ←

12:48:18 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

12:48:26 <sandro> q+ to talk about http://schema.org/Organization

Sandro Hawke: q+ to talk about http://schema.org/Organization ←

12:49:06 <olyerickson> Wonder if there are some good Data.gov datasets with org data that could be useful test cases

John Erickson: Wonder if there are some good Data.gov datasets with org data that could be useful test cases ←

12:49:21 <cygri> charter says: FPWD in Dec 2011, LC Oct 2012, CR Dec 2012, PR Mar 2013, Rec Apr 2013

charter says: FPWD in Dec 2011, LC Oct 2012, CR Dec 2012, PR Mar 2013, Rec Apr 2013 ←

12:49:41 <cygri> PhilA: should be not much work given the pedigree and uptake of this work

Phil Archer: should be not much work given the pedigree and uptake of this work ←

12:49:42 <George> I used Site from Org to get to VCard:Address stuff

George Thomas: I used Site from Org to get to VCard:Address stuff ←

12:49:59 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

12:50:30 <cmusialek> Cygri: where is the UK govt's ontology implemented? Do you have a link to share?

Richard Cyganiak: where is the UK govt's ontology implemented? Do you have a link to share? [ Scribe Assist by Chris Musialek ] ←

12:50:46 <cygri> cmusialek, that's a question for DaveReynolds

cmusialek, that's a question for DaveReynolds ←

12:50:51 <cygri> DaveReynolds: the issue is not the amount of time writing stuff; it's about public review, coordination etc

Dave Reynolds: the issue is not the amount of time writing stuff; it's about public review, coordination etc ←

12:51:13 <cygri> ... ideally we could serialize this, make progress on the data cube first, then org etc

... ideally we could serialize this, make progress on the data cube first, then org etc ←

12:51:14 <sandro> DaveReynolds: I'd prefer to serialize this work, doing QB first.

Dave Reynolds: I'd prefer to serialize this work, doing QB first. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

12:51:23 <olyerickson> q?

John Erickson: q? ←

12:51:23 <mhausenblas> ack me

Michael Hausenblas: ack me ←

12:51:24 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to clarify his proposal

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to clarify his proposal ←

12:51:25 <PhilA> ack mhausenblas

Phil Archer: ack mhausenblas ←

12:52:02 <cygri> mhausenblas: i disagree with serialization. we should send a signal soon, by doing FPWDs of whatever we have now

Michael Hausenblas: i disagree with serialization. we should send a signal soon, by doing FPWDs of whatever we have now ←

12:52:07 <George> +1 mhausenblas

George Thomas: +1 mhausenblas ←

12:52:20 <cygri> ... so that the world sees: these are the things in our scope

... so that the world sees: these are the things in our scope ←

12:52:46 <cygri> ... i agree that we can do serial focus once FPWDs are out

... i agree that we can do serial focus once FPWDs are out ←

12:53:00 <cygri> ... we should get FPWDs out in a matter of weeks

... we should get FPWDs out in a matter of weeks ←

12:53:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 mhausenblas

Bart van Leeuwen: +1 mhausenblas ←

12:53:19 <cygri> bhyland: i agree

Bernadette Hyland: i agree ←

12:53:56 <dvilasuero> +1 mhausenblas

Daniel Vila: +1 mhausenblas ←

12:53:57 <sandro> q-

Sandro Hawke: q- ←

12:54:00 <George> cmusialek: see http://health.data.gov/doc/hospital/393303/site/1

Chris Musialek: see http://health.data.gov/doc/hospital/393303/site/1 [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←

12:54:02 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

12:54:46 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Moving http://www.epimorphics.com/public/vocabulary/org.html into W3C namespace and consider it as addressing 4. of section 2.3 of our charter

PROPOSED: Moving http://www.epimorphics.com/public/vocabulary/org.html into W3C namespace and consider it as addressing 4. of section 2.3 of our charter ←

12:54:51 <bhyland> +1

Bernadette Hyland: +1 ←

12:54:57 <George> +1

George Thomas: +1 ←

12:54:59 <BenediktKaempgen> +1

Benedikt Kaempgen: +1 ←

12:55:03 <gatemezi> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←

12:55:15 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1

Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←

12:55:16 <DaveReynolds> +1

Dave Reynolds: +1 ←

12:55:19 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to schema.org not being appropriate for this

Hadley Beeman: +1 to schema.org not being appropriate for this ←

12:55:26 <sandro> +1 (reconsider if we find any other viable options)

Sandro Hawke: +1 (reconsider if we find any other viable options) ←

12:55:32 <boris> +1

Boris Villazón-Terrazas: +1 ←

12:55:33 <cygri> +1

+1 ←

12:55:35 <olyerickson> make what happen?

John Erickson: make what happen? ←

12:56:03 <olyerickson> q+

John Erickson: q+ ←

12:56:07 <olyerickson> q?

John Erickson: q? ←

12:56:26 <cygri> RESOLUTION: Moving http://www.epimorphics.com/public/vocabulary/org.html into W3C namespace and consider it as addressing 4. of section 2.3 of our charter

RESOLVED: Moving http://www.epimorphics.com/public/vocabulary/org.html into W3C namespace and consider it as addressing 4. of section 2.3 of our charter ←

12:56:28 <PhilA> action: PhilA to create W3C format of Org ontology specification document

ACTION: PhilA to create W3C format of Org ontology specification document ←

12:56:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-41 - Create W3C format of Org ontology specification document [on Phil Archer - due 2012-02-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-41 - Create W3C format of Org ontology specification document [on Phil Archer - due 2012-02-02]. ←

12:56:31 <George> ack olyerickson

George Thomas: ack olyerickson ←

12:56:49 <bhyland> @Sandro - do we write APPROVED for the proposal to capture in minutes?

Bernadette Hyland: @Sandro - do we write APPROVED for the proposal to capture in minutes? ←

12:57:04 <cygri> olyerickson: we've done some work on schema.org extensions in other areas

John Erickson: we've done some work on schema.org extensions in other areas ←

12:57:11 <mhausenblas> q+ to note that we have not discussed 3. People of 2.3

Michael Hausenblas: q+ to note that we have not discussed 3. People of 2.3 ←

12:57:15 <cygri> bhyland, we write RESOLUTION like i did

bhyland, we write RESOLUTION like i did ←

12:57:27 <bhyland> @PhilA - thanks!

Bernadette Hyland: @PhilA - thanks! ←

12:58:07 <bhyland> @PhilA, I particulary like that due date: 2012-02-02 ;-)

Bernadette Hyland: @PhilA, I particulary like that due date: 2012-02-02 ;-) ←

12:58:07 <cygri> olyerickson: just because schema.org doesn't cover something right now, this doesn't mean we can't extend it

John Erickson: just because schema.org doesn't cover something right now, this doesn't mean we can't extend it ←

12:58:10 <sandro> bhyland, cygri did it fine, "RESOLUTION:" or "RESOLVED:" or "APPROVED:" should all work.

Sandro Hawke: bhyland, cygri did it fine, "RESOLUTION:" or "RESOLVED:" or "APPROVED:" should all work. ←

12:58:17 <bhyland> @sandro ta

Bernadette Hyland: @sandro ta ←

12:58:37 <mhausenblas> Michael: Wondering if anyone fancies an action for cleaning up http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Vocabulary_Discussion_Summary and sync w/ today's resolution

Michael Hausenblas: Wondering if anyone fancies an action for cleaning up http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Vocabulary_Discussion_Summary and sync w/ today's resolution [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

12:58:38 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

12:58:49 <cygri> topic: ADMS discussion

3. ADMS discussion

12:58:58 <mhausenblas> ack me

Michael Hausenblas: ack me ←

12:58:58 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to note that we have not discussed 3. People of 2.3

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to note that we have not discussed 3. People of 2.3 ←

12:59:32 <cygri> scribenick: BenediktKaempgen

(Scribe set to Benedikt Kaempgen)

12:59:51 <BenediktKaempgen> Topic: ADMS

4. ADMS

13:00:48 <BenediktKaempgen> EU Commission, Asset Description Metadata Schema (ADMS)

EU Commission, Asset Description Metadata Schema (ADMS) ←

13:00:56 <dvilasuero> I can take an action for cleaning up http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Vocabulary_Discussion_Summary

Daniel Vila: I can take an action for cleaning up http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Vocabulary_Discussion_Summary ←

13:01:42 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: any wishes to rearrange agenda?

Bernadette Hyland: any wishes to rearrange agenda? ←

13:01:55 <olyerickson> FWIW: People interested in RPI's DCAT-driven Schema.org extension for Catalogs and Datasets can check out demo at: http://logd.tw.rpi.edu/schemaorg_dataset_extension

Scribe problem: the name 'FWIW' does not match any of the 59 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Dean Allemang Martín Álvarez Phil Archer Yigal Arens Ghislain Atemezing Hadley Beeman Luis Bermudez William Brafford Lyle Burgoon Sarven Capadisli Cory Casanave Richard Cyganiak John Erickson Maria Fernandez Ruiz Yosuke Funahashi Tina Gheen Dan Gillman Asunción Gómez Pérez John Goodwin Jorge Gracia Jonathan Gray Christophe Gueret David Hau Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Bernadette Hyland Benedikt Kaempgen Martin Kaltenböck Stasinos Konstantopoulos Fadi Maali Bede McCall Daniel Mekonnen Elena Montiel Ponsoda Aitor Moreno Chris Musialek Tope Omitola Michael Pendleton Irene Polikoff David Price Ronald Reck Dave Reynolds John Sheridan David Smith John Speakman Biplav Srivastava Gerald Steeman George Thomas Raphaël Troncy Bart van Leeuwen Daniel Vila Boris Villazón-Terrazas Eric VonColln Simon Wall Anne Washington Zachary Whitley Mohamed ZERGAOUI Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown FWIW: People interested in RPI's DCAT-driven Schema.org extension for Catalogs and Datasets can check out demo at: http://logd.tw.rpi.edu/schemaorg_dataset_extension [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

13:03:04 <BenediktKaempgen> PhilA: Comment - hopes to make the most of the time

Phil Archer: Comment - hopes to make the most of the time ←

13:03:32 <BenediktKaempgen> PhilA: Interoperable Solutions - big EU activity

Phil Archer: Interoperable Solutions - big EU activity ←

13:04:13 <BenediktKaempgen> ... two strangs: ADMS, Section on Core Vocabularies

... two strangs: ADMS, Section on Core Vocabularies ←

13:04:28 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Fadi, Gofran more on ADMS

... Fadi, Gofran more on ADMS ←

13:05:10 <BenediktKaempgen> ... UML diagram in the wiki  - http://philarcher.org/isa/adms.png

... UML diagram in the wiki - http://philarcher.org/isa/adms.png ←

13:06:05 <BenediktKaempgen> ... describing meta data. Meeting in March: Using ADMS to interchange metadata.

... describing meta data. Meeting in March: Using ADMS to interchange metadata. ←

13:06:55 <BenediktKaempgen> ... lots of similarities with dcat: repository, asset, release of asset (in particular format)

... lots of similarities with dcat: repository, asset, release of asset (in particular format) ←

13:07:26 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds

Zakim IRC Bot: -DaveReynolds ←

13:07:31 <BenediktKaempgen> GofranShukair: asset can be dataset but reusable one

Scribe problem: the name 'GofranShukair' does not match any of the 59 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Dean Allemang Martín Álvarez Phil Archer Yigal Arens Ghislain Atemezing Hadley Beeman Luis Bermudez William Brafford Lyle Burgoon Sarven Capadisli Cory Casanave Richard Cyganiak John Erickson Maria Fernandez Ruiz Yosuke Funahashi Tina Gheen Dan Gillman Asunción Gómez Pérez John Goodwin Jorge Gracia Jonathan Gray Christophe Gueret David Hau Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Bernadette Hyland Benedikt Kaempgen Martin Kaltenböck Stasinos Konstantopoulos Fadi Maali Bede McCall Daniel Mekonnen Elena Montiel Ponsoda Aitor Moreno Chris Musialek Tope Omitola Michael Pendleton Irene Polikoff David Price Ronald Reck Dave Reynolds John Sheridan David Smith John Speakman Biplav Srivastava Gerald Steeman George Thomas Raphaël Troncy Bart van Leeuwen Daniel Vila Boris Villazón-Terrazas Eric VonColln Simon Wall Anne Washington Zachary Whitley Mohamed ZERGAOUI Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown GofranShukair: asset can be dataset but reusable one ←

13:08:17 <BenediktKaempgen> ... release (actual document representing asset)

... release (actual document representing asset) ←

13:08:30 <bhyland> @dvilasuero, thanks for cleaning up the vocab discussion summary page.  We made some good progress today and it would be great to reflect that as a status update on that page and link to all the links provided in IRC today.

Bernadette Hyland: @dvilasuero, thanks for cleaning up the vocab discussion summary page. We made some good progress today and it would be great to reflect that as a status update on that page and link to all the links provided in IRC today. ←

13:08:38 <bhyland> ping

Bernadette Hyland: ping ←

13:08:43 <BenediktKaempgen> ... asset, release have statuses (e.g., already published)

... asset, release have statuses (e.g., already published) ←

13:09:07 <bhyland> ping

Bernadette Hyland: ping ←

13:09:36 <Zakim> +??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←

13:09:44 <DaveReynolds> zakim, ??P7 is me

Dave Reynolds: zakim, ??P7 is me ←

13:09:44 <Zakim> +DaveReynolds; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +DaveReynolds; got it ←

13:09:54 <DaveReynolds> zakim, mute me

Dave Reynolds: zakim, mute me ←

13:09:54 <Zakim> DaveReynolds should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: DaveReynolds should now be muted ←

13:09:56 <BenediktKaempgen> ... idea behind ADMS: semantic assets making reusable. E.g., asset metadata, federation (professionals can find assets)

... idea behind ADMS: semantic assets making reusable. E.g., asset metadata, federation (professionals can find assets) ←

13:09:58 <sandro> much better  :-)

Sandro Hawke: much better :-) ←

13:10:18 <BenediktKaempgen> ... federation (explore, reuse of assets)

... federation (explore, reuse of assets) ←

13:10:33 <PhilA> q?

Phil Archer: q? ←

13:10:42 <BenediktKaempgen> PhilA: model is actually in public review

Phil Archer: model is actually in public review ←

13:10:54 <BenediktKaempgen> ... has well pedigree

... has well pedigree ←

13:11:00 <bhyland> @dvilasuero, thanks very much for tidying the vocab discussion summary page and reflecting what was discussed today.

Bernadette Hyland: @dvilasuero, thanks very much for tidying the vocab discussion summary page and reflecting what was discussed today. ←

13:11:03 <BenediktKaempgen> ... through ?

... through ? ←

13:11:32 <bhyland> ping

Bernadette Hyland: ping ←

13:11:39 <cygri> ACTION: cygri to update http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_Vocabulary

ACTION: cygri to update http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_Vocabulary ←

13:11:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-42 - Update http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_Vocabulary [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2012-02-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-42 - Update http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_Vocabulary [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2012-02-02]. ←

13:12:18 <BenediktKaempgen> ... reuse of dcat repos, asset, relesase, lots of references to dcat, also to void, foaf

... reuse of dcat repos, asset, relesase, lots of references to dcat, also to void, foaf ←

13:13:54 <BenediktKaempgen> ... issue of dcat: particular use of term/class, and we have ranges: it can be that we are making relationships that we are not allowed to make.

... issue of dcat: particular use of term/class, and we have ranges: it can be that we are making relationships that we are not allowed to make. ←

13:14:25 <BenediktKaempgen> ... wants to know whether this is of interest to US people

... wants to know whether this is of interest to US people ←

13:14:51 <BenediktKaempgen> ... published as XML, RDF...

... published as XML, RDF... ←

13:15:36 <BenediktKaempgen> ... no problem to change example.org to w3c.org (TBL did not mind)

... no problem to change example.org to w3c.org (TBL did not mind) ←

13:16:22 <BenediktKaempgen> ... EU has concerns, e.g., about stability (change control)

... EU has concerns, e.g., about stability (change control) ←

13:17:02 <BenediktKaempgen> ... politicians probably will have concerns.

... politicians probably will have concerns. ←

13:18:06 <cmusialek> q+

Chris Musialek: q+ ←

13:18:13 <BenediktKaempgen> sandro: Probably, it would be easier for US standards

George Thomas: Probably, it would be easier for US standards ←

13:18:45 <sandro> (that wasn't sandro, BenediktKaempgen...  didn't catch who it was.)

Sandro Hawke: (that wasn't sandro, BenediktKaempgen... didn't catch who it was.) ←

13:18:54 <BenediktKaempgen> then it was george

then it was george ←

13:19:05 <BenediktKaempgen> I mix you often ;-)

I mix you often ;-) ←

13:19:06 <sandro> s/sandro:/george:/

13:19:52 <BenediktKaempgen> ?: Interested.

Chris Musialek: Interested. ←

13:20:05 <rreck1> yeah i wanted google+ yesterday

Ronald Reck: yeah i wanted google+ yesterday ←

13:20:39 <George> US Gov agency adoption of ADMS will be greatly facilitated by having ADMS namespace be provided by a 'voluntary consensus standards organization' (of which W3 is an important one)

George Thomas: US Gov agency adoption of ADMS will be greatly facilitated by having ADMS namespace be provided by a 'voluntary consensus standards organization' (of which W3 is an important one) ←

13:21:13 <gatemezi> s/?/cmusialek

13:22:04 <BenediktKaempgen> PhilA: Will be elaborating on relationship to dublin core.

Phil Archer: Will be elaborating on relationship to dublin core. ←

13:22:10 <BenediktKaempgen> ... later this day.

... later this day. ←

13:23:03 <BenediktKaempgen> ... e.g., will inferencing change concepts that are linked by ADMS.

... e.g., will inferencing change concepts that are linked by ADMS. ←

13:23:04 <DaveReynolds> Technically correct practice is to use OWL restrictions :)

Dave Reynolds: Technically correct practice is to use OWL restrictions :) ←

13:23:48 <George> +1 DaveReynolds

George Thomas: +1 DaveReynolds ←

13:23:51 <BenediktKaempgen> s\void\dublin core

s\dublin core\dublin core ←

13:25:01 <BenediktKaempgen> s/void/dublin core

13:25:29 <olyerickson> Arghh my tax dollars at work

John Erickson: Arghh my tax dollars at work ←

13:25:44 <sandro> can someone in washington try g+ on their laptop, to see if it sticks to port 80 or something?

Sandro Hawke: can someone in washington try g+ on their laptop, to see if it sticks to port 80 or something? ←

13:26:11 <BenediktKaempgen> PhilA: Second section: Core vocabularies.

Phil Archer: Second section: Core vocabularies. ←

13:26:43 <BenediktKaempgen> ... EU Commission wants to recommends vocabulary to be used cross-country; possible to specialize.

... EU Commission wants to recommends vocabulary to be used cross-country; possible to specialize. ←

13:26:45 <rreck1> noone here is willing to try

Ronald Reck: noone here is willing to try ←

13:27:43 <BenediktKaempgen> ... based upon lots of resources: First core vocabularies: person, business, location

... based upon lots of resources: First core vocabularies: person, business, location ←

13:27:50 <cygri> http://philarcher.org/isa/corevocs.png

Richard Cyganiak: http://philarcher.org/isa/corevocs.png ←

13:27:51 <olyerickson> Link please

John Erickson: Link please ←

13:27:53 <olyerickson> thanks

John Erickson: thanks ←

13:28:50 <BenediktKaempgen> ... background: experts on vocabularies, Euro justice, business registrars, INSPIRE directive secretar (environmental data)

... background: experts on vocabularies, Euro justice, business registrars, INSPIRE directive secretar (environmental data) ←

13:29:13 <BenediktKaempgen> ... all three things are interlinked.

... all three things are interlinked. ←

13:29:39 <DaveReynolds> ISADate?

Dave Reynolds: ISADate? ←

13:30:04 <BenediktKaempgen> ... properties should be familiar. No relationships between persons. Only most important features.

... properties should be familiar. No relationships between persons. Only most important features. ←

13:30:09 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←

13:30:41 <BenediktKaempgen> ... without reference to other vocabs, but implicit references should be obvious (e.g., foaf)

... without reference to other vocabs, but implicit references should be obvious (e.g., foaf) ←

13:31:01 <stasinos> Greek too

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: Greek too ←

13:31:16 <BenediktKaempgen> ... cultural differences covered e.g., patronymic Name

... cultural differences covered e.g., patronymic Name ←

13:32:07 <BenediktKaempgen> ... dates raise big problem:

... dates raise big problem: ←

13:32:17 <bhyland> ping

Bernadette Hyland: ping ←

13:32:25 <BenediktKaempgen> ... many people do not know their birthdate or place

... many people do not know their birthdate or place ←

13:32:25 <sandro> pong

Sandro Hawke: pong ←

13:33:10 <BenediktKaempgen> ... recording dates: most dates in public databases not clearly defined

... recording dates: most dates in public databases not clearly defined ←

13:33:30 <BenediktKaempgen> ... to represent those, raises big issues.

... to represent those, raises big issues. ←

13:34:28 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Cleaning would sometimes even make dates inaccurate (e.g., from August 1984 to midnight 1. August 1984)

... Cleaning would sometimes even make dates inaccurate (e.g., from August 1984 to midnight 1. August 1984) ←

13:34:34 <olyerickson> PhilA: If you know dat, use xsd:date

Phil Archer: If you know dat, use xsd:date [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

13:35:36 <olyerickson> ...if you can't type to xsd: date, use a literal with whatever you have

John Erickson: ...if you can't type to xsd: date, use a literal with whatever you have ←

13:35:38 <sandro> sigh.       what a pain.    not sure if there's a better solution.

Sandro Hawke: sigh. what a pain. not sure if there's a better solution. ←

13:35:38 <rreck1> sounds like  a sane approach

Ronald Reck: sounds like a sane approach ←

13:36:04 <cygri> i'd prefer xsd:gYear or xsd:gYearMonth over w3cdtf

Richard Cyganiak: i'd prefer xsd:gYear or xsd:gYearMonth over w3cdtf ←

13:36:11 <BenediktKaempgen> ... actual recommendation would be to represent the date depending on the situation (e.g., representing parts separately).

... actual recommendation would be to represent the date depending on the situation (e.g., representing parts separately). ←

13:36:13 <DaveReynolds> Yes, there is a difference between date and datetime.  Much gov data is actually about intervals, not dateTime points, hence the UK reference time service for time intervals.

Dave Reynolds: Yes, there is a difference between date and datetime. Much gov data is actually about intervals, not dateTime points, hence the UK reference time service for time intervals. ←

13:36:45 <sandro> I'd be inclined to use different properties, I think.       one if you know it, one for a comment, especially if you dont know the actual value.

Sandro Hawke: I'd be inclined to use different properties, I think. one if you know it, one for a comment, especially if you dont know the actual value. ←

13:37:00 <olyerickson> @sandro @cygri Our guys have suggested xsd: date then xsd: g* for date parts that are known

John Erickson: @sandro @cygri Our guys have suggested xsd: date then xsd: g* for date parts that are known ←

13:37:05 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Next businesses: also issues to represent legal entities

... Next businesses: also issues to represent legal entities ←

13:37:27 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Legal entities must have a legal identifier (registrar).

... Legal entities must have a legal identifier (registrar). ←

13:37:40 <DaveReynolds> +1 to sandro, semantics are different if you are giving constraint or hints instead of value, so use different property

Dave Reynolds: +1 to sandro, semantics are different if you are giving constraint or hints instead of value, so use different property ←

13:37:47 <BenediktKaempgen> ... eg.., tax registration

... eg.., tax registration ←

13:38:33 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Therfore identifier as an own class. Person: People have identifiers, also.

... Therfore identifier as an own class. Person: People have identifiers, also. ←

13:38:54 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Diagram: http://philarcher.org/isa/corevocs.png

... Diagram: http://philarcher.org/isa/corevocs.png ←

13:39:25 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Dbpedia is used for location.

... Dbpedia is used for location. ←

13:40:01 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Address is also difficult: In the end we use dcat.

... Address is also difficult: In the end we use vcard. ←

13:40:12 <cygri> s/we use dcat/we use vcard/

13:40:15 <olyerickson> PhilA: Address gets all the attention, in the end we use vcard

Phil Archer: Address gets all the attention, in the end we use vcard [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

13:40:16 <BenediktKaempgen> s/dcat/vcat

13:40:24 <DeirdreLee> q?

Scribe problem: the name 'DeirdreLee' does not match any of the 59 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Dean Allemang Martín Álvarez Phil Archer Yigal Arens Ghislain Atemezing Hadley Beeman Luis Bermudez William Brafford Lyle Burgoon Sarven Capadisli Cory Casanave Richard Cyganiak John Erickson Maria Fernandez Ruiz Yosuke Funahashi Tina Gheen Dan Gillman Asunción Gómez Pérez John Goodwin Jorge Gracia Jonathan Gray Christophe Gueret David Hau Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Bernadette Hyland Benedikt Kaempgen Martin Kaltenböck Stasinos Konstantopoulos Fadi Maali Bede McCall Daniel Mekonnen Elena Montiel Ponsoda Aitor Moreno Chris Musialek Tope Omitola Michael Pendleton Irene Polikoff David Price Ronald Reck Dave Reynolds John Sheridan David Smith John Speakman Biplav Srivastava Gerald Steeman George Thomas Raphaël Troncy Bart van Leeuwen Daniel Vila Boris Villazón-Terrazas Eric VonColln Simon Wall Anne Washington Zachary Whitley Mohamed ZERGAOUI Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown DeirdreLee: q? ←

13:40:31 <DeirdreLee> q+

Unknown DeirdreLee: q+ ←

13:40:33 <BenediktKaempgen> thanks cygri, you were faster

thanks cygri, you were faster ←

13:40:36 <olyerickson> ... "addresses are a mine field"

John Erickson: ... "addresses are a mine field" ←

13:40:51 <olyerickson> ...none of these things record change

John Erickson: ...none of these things record change ←

13:41:04 <olyerickson> ...everything can change, we don't know how to do it

John Erickson: ...everything can change, we don't know how to do it ←

13:41:05 <BenediktKaempgen> ... recognize need to record changes

... recognize need to record changes ←

13:41:21 <cygri> ack cmusialek

Richard Cyganiak: ack cmusialek ←

13:41:26 <cygri> ack DeirdreLee

Richard Cyganiak: ack DeirdreLee ←

13:41:35 <olyerickson> ..."more research is necessary" (it is left as an exercise ;) )

John Erickson: ..."more research is necessary" (it is left as an exercise ;) ) ←

13:42:16 <BenediktKaempgen> DeirdreLee: INSPIRE is complex, but this is their standard, how to resolve issues with relationship with INSPIRE and vcard.

Unknown DeirdreLee: INSPIRE is complex, but this is their standard, how to resolve issues with relationship with INSPIRE and vcard. ←

13:42:34 <BenediktKaempgen> PhilA: INSPIRE and vcard do not much diverge.

Phil Archer: INSPIRE and vcard do not much diverge. ←

13:43:17 <olyerickson> PhilA: INSPIRE directive has legal force

Phil Archer: INSPIRE directive has legal force [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

13:43:24 <olyerickson> ..."you shall use it..."

John Erickson: ..."you shall use it..." ←

13:43:33 <BenediktKaempgen> ... will make sure to make proper reference.

... will make sure to make proper reference. ←

13:43:46 <olyerickson> ...usage guidelines will specify how "they" map

John Erickson: ...usage guidelines will specify how "they" map ←

13:44:15 <olyerickson> george: Instance examples...illustrating mapping?

George Thomas: Instance examples...illustrating mapping? [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

13:44:22 <BenediktKaempgen> george: examples available for mapping to recommended vocabs

George Thomas: examples available for mapping to recommended vocabs ←

13:44:32 <olyerickson> PhilA: usage guiamplesdelines will include instance data/ex

Phil Archer: usage guiamplesdelines will include instance data/ex [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

13:45:12 <BenediktKaempgen> PhilA: does effort match to things you do in the US

Phil Archer: does effort match to things you do in the US ←

13:46:00 <BenediktKaempgen> DanG: Recommends to look at something. Will give link.

Dan Gillman: Recommends to look at something. Will give link. ←

13:46:43 <George> ISO 19773

George Thomas: ISO 19773 ←

13:46:45 <PhilA> 19773 ISO

Phil Archer: 19773 ISO ←

13:47:28 <BenediktKaempgen> PhilA: Only small amount of uri's needed to be minted in Core Vocabs.

Phil Archer: Only small amount of uri's needed to be minted in Core Vocabs. ←

13:47:33 <DaveReynolds> Doesn't seem to be free: http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=41769

Dave Reynolds: Doesn't seem to be free: http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=41769 ←

13:47:53 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: title for vocab diagram?

Bernadette Hyland: title for vocab diagram? ←

13:48:30 <Zakim> -stasinos

Zakim IRC Bot: -stasinos ←

13:48:51 <HadleyBeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+ ←

13:49:02 <PhilA> ack had

Phil Archer: ack had ←

13:49:07 <olyerickson> + to "Thanks PhilA"

John Erickson: + to "Thanks PhilA" ←

13:49:09 <GofranShukair> this MDR standard is only relted to schemas

Unknown GofranShukair: this MDR standard is only relted to schemas ←

13:49:26 <PhilA> ack HadleyBeeman

Phil Archer: ack HadleyBeeman ←

13:49:44 <HadleyBeeman> sorry — google plus is failing me

Hadley Beeman: sorry — google plus is failing me ←

13:49:50 <bhyland> Title for the model Phil described "ISA Core Vocabulary Combined Conceptual Model"

Bernadette Hyland: Title for the model Phil described "ISA Core Vocabulary Combined Conceptual Model" ←

13:50:03 <HadleyBeeman> I just wanted to know if member state representation has been… representtative.  Are you happy with what you have?

Hadley Beeman: I just wanted to know if member state representation has been… representtative. Are you happy with what you have? ←

13:50:16 <HadleyBeeman> Ahhh… no wonder.  I've signed off from Zakim's telecon

Hadley Beeman: Ahhh… no wonder. I've signed off from Zakim's telecon ←

13:50:57 <BenediktKaempgen> PhilA: some but not enough member state representations.

Phil Archer: some but not enough member state representations. ←

13:51:27 <HadleyBeeman> Fair enough, PhilA.  I was just wondering about status on that.  Thanks

Hadley Beeman: Fair enough, PhilA. I was just wondering about status on that. Thanks ←

13:51:28 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

13:51:45 <BenediktKaempgen> ... is difficult to get them involved. Talking to various folks. Open to recommendations to whom they should be talking to.

... is difficult to get them involved. Talking to various folks. Open to recommendations to whom they should be talking to. ←

13:52:37 <DanG> Link to ISO/IEC 19773 is http://webstore.iec.ch/preview/info_isoiec19773%7Bed1.0%7Den.pdf

Dan Gillman: Link to ISO/IEC 19773 is http://webstore.iec.ch/preview/info_isoiec19773%7Bed1.0%7Den.pdf ←

13:52:55 <DanG> Let me know if this doesn't work.

Dan Gillman: Let me know if this doesn't work. ←

13:54:23 <olyerickson> WAIT

John Erickson: WAIT ←

13:54:24 <BenediktKaempgen> Topic: Procurement use cases.

5. Procurement use cases.

13:54:58 <olyerickson> is DERI on break

John Erickson: is DERI on break ←

13:54:58 <olyerickson> or just Michael?

John Erickson: or just Michael? ←

13:55:24 <BenediktKaempgen> MichaelPendleton: Issues, e.g., scope: guidance to people that needs to make that procurment happen (e.g., contract officers). Could be broader, also.

Michael Pendleton: Issues, e.g., scope: guidance to people that needs to make that procurment happen (e.g., contract officers). Could be broader, also. ←

13:55:47 <BenediktKaempgen> ... some text available but can be improved upon.

... some text available but can be improved upon. ←

13:56:41 <BenediktKaempgen> ... community directory part will be talked about later.

... community directory part will be talked about later. ←

13:56:55 <olyerickson> Point of order: could we please provide links before commencing with presos?

John Erickson: Point of order: could we please provide links before commencing with presos? ←

13:57:11 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Slides: http://www.slideshare.net/michaelpendleton1/best-practices-procurement-of-linked-data-services

... Slides: http://www.slideshare.net/michaelpendleton1/best-practices-procurement-of-linked-data-services ←

13:58:15 <sandro> olyerickson, the link is in the agenda

Sandro Hawke: olyerickson, the link is in the agenda ←

13:58:24 <BenediktKaempgen> ... possible questions regarding procurement, e.g., connection to community directory.

... possible questions regarding procurement, e.g., connection to community directory. ←

13:58:34 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Should scope be broader?

... Should scope be broader? ←

13:59:02 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+ ←

13:59:12 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me ←

14:00:04 <BenediktKaempgen> PhilA: So many ways where procurement is relevant (not only for government).

Phil Archer: So many ways where procurement is relevant (not only for government). ←

14:00:28 <BenediktKaempgen> ... How to know about own or external expertise?

... How to know about own or external expertise? ←

14:01:34 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: Institutions need to know what is different in publishing Linked Data from publishing content on the web of documents (which they are doing for a long time already).

Bernadette Hyland: Institutions need to know what is different in publishing Linked Data from publishing content on the web of documents (which they are doing for a long time already). ←

14:02:28 <olyerickson> bhyland: "let me help you with some collateral et.al. to get you up-to-speed on different types of services"

Bernadette Hyland: "let me help you with some collateral et.al. to get you up-to-speed on different types of services" [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

14:02:59 <olyerickson> phila: heard a comment, it all sounds terribly US/UK

Phil Archer: heard a comment, it all sounds terribly US/UK [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

14:03:04 <BenediktKaempgen> PhilA: Regarding, internationalizing it. UK is interested in it.

Phil Archer: Regarding, internationalizing it. UK is interested in it. ←

14:03:33 <olyerickson> ...UK public consultation coming up "soon"

John Erickson: ...UK public consultation coming up "soon" ←

14:03:40 <BenediktKaempgen> ... UK wants to include open standards in their procurement process

... UK wants to include open standards in their procurement process ←

14:03:51 <HadleyBeeman> Just to add:

Hadley Beeman: Just to add: ←

14:03:55 <BenediktKaempgen> ... but first they need to know what standard

... but first they need to know what standard ←

14:03:55 <olyerickson> ...to define what an "open standard" is

John Erickson: ...to define what an "open standard" is ←

14:04:34 <olyerickson> bhyland: need other resources besides John Sheridan

Bernadette Hyland: need other resources besides John Sheridan [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

14:04:37 <HadleyBeeman> the reason that this is a big deal NOW is that Cabinet Office now hava new centralised control over procurement— so the outcomes of this consultation can be rolled out to new effectiveness

Hadley Beeman: the reason that this is a big deal NOW is that Cabinet Office now hava new centralised control over procurement— so the outcomes of this consultation can be rolled out to new effectiveness ←

14:04:44 <HadleyBeeman> I'm here— need to restart G+

Hadley Beeman: I'm here— need to restart G+ ←

14:04:46 <HadleyBeeman> be right back

Hadley Beeman: be right back ←

14:05:07 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: not got john sherridan involved, yet.

Bernadette Hyland: not got john sherridan involved, yet. ←

14:05:31 <olyerickson> PhilA: Hadley is the best "line of action"

Phil Archer: Hadley is the best "line of action" [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

14:06:15 <HadleyBeeman> I'm back now…  Can I help?

Hadley Beeman: I'm back now… Can I help? ←

14:06:40 <BenediktKaempgen> ... can ask around but does not have a specific person in mind.

... can ask around but does not have a specific person in mind. ←

14:07:01 <DaveReynolds> Question (since I can't use audio): Is it necessary to have the procurement checklist?  Having a model of types of services makes sense. The checklist though seems to be based on a lot of assumptions which aren't universal.

Dave Reynolds: Question (since I can't use audio): Is it necessary to have the procurement checklist? Having a model of types of services makes sense. The checklist though seems to be based on a lot of assumptions which aren't universal. ←

14:07:14 <HadleyBeeman> Thaaaaaanks Bernadette

Hadley Beeman: Thaaaaaanks Bernadette ←

14:07:44 <DaveReynolds> Not convinced W3C should be advising on procurement principles.

Dave Reynolds: Not convinced W3C should be advising on procurement principles. ←

14:08:21 <sandro> DaveReynolds, not principles, just products.

Sandro Hawke: DaveReynolds, not principles, just products. ←

14:08:30 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: glossaries part of recommendation?

Bernadette Hyland: glossaries part of recommendation? ←

14:08:31 <cygri> +1 for glossary

Richard Cyganiak: +1 for glossary ←

14:08:40 <PhilA> W3C Glossary http://www.w3.org/2003/glossary/

Phil Archer: W3C Glossary http://www.w3.org/2003/glossary/ ←

14:09:23 <DaveReynolds> sandro: the principles of technology are OK but principles for *procurement*, NO!

Sandro Hawke: the principles of technology are OK but principles for *procurement*, NO! [ Scribe Assist by Dave Reynolds ] ←

14:09:31 <BenediktKaempgen> PhilA: Not sure whether W3C glossary is still maintained.

Phil Archer: Not sure whether W3C glossary is still maintained. ←

14:09:50 <sandro> DaveReynolds, agreed, absolutely.

Sandro Hawke: DaveReynolds, agreed, absolutely. ←

14:10:16 <DaveReynolds> sandro: so do you agree with having the current material from the wiki on a rec?

Sandro Hawke: so do you agree with having the current material from the wiki on a rec? [ Scribe Assist by Dave Reynolds ] ←

14:10:23 <bhyland> ping

Bernadette Hyland: ping ←

14:10:38 <BenediktKaempgen> sure, nP

sure, nP ←

14:11:16 <BenediktKaempgen> sandro: does not understand procurement

Sandro Hawke: does not understand procurement ←

14:11:37 <sandro> george: it's about defining what we're procuding.    Defining buying a "linked data server", like they buy a "database server"

George Thomas: it's about defining what we're procuring. Defining buying a "linked data server", like they buy a "database server" [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

14:11:48 <sandro> george: Procurement officers want a checklist.

George Thomas: Procurement officers want a checklist. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

14:11:50 <BenediktKaempgen> george: what does it mean to provide a Linked Data server?

George Thomas: what does it mean to provide a Linked Data server? ←

14:12:00 <DaveReynolds> Much of current checklist is not that LInked Data specific

Dave Reynolds: Much of current checklist is not that LInked Data specific ←

14:12:05 <sandro> s/procuding/procuring/

14:12:19 <PhilA> Having looked, it seems that the W3C glossary is no longer an option. Neither, at present, is the cheat sheet (http://www.w3.org/2009/cheatsheet/) as to get the data in there is quite a hurdle and I'm not sure it's the best medium anyway so, scrub that idea

Phil Archer: Having looked, it seems that the W3C glossary is no longer an option. Neither, at present, is the cheat sheet (http://www.w3.org/2009/cheatsheet/) as to get the data in there is quite a hurdle and I'm not sure it's the best medium anyway so, scrub that idea ←

14:12:26 <DaveReynolds> Agree with importance, VERY worried about unintended consequences

Dave Reynolds: Agree with importance, VERY worried about unintended consequences ←

14:12:44 <olyerickson> Nothing from me; I am relatively clueless on 'procurement"

John Erickson: Nothing from me; I am relatively clueless on 'procurement" ←

14:13:02 <BenediktKaempgen> who creates the action item?

who creates the action item? ←

14:13:23 <George> would be very interested in how you're imagining or examples of unintended consequences DaveReynolds

George Thomas: would be very interested in how you're imagining or examples of unintended consequences DaveReynolds ←

14:13:30 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+ ←

14:14:15 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me ←

14:15:12 <bhyland> Summary of Procurement Topic: We need to get from point A to point B... what are the barriers to remove and allow the technical officer to get LOD to the public.

Bernadette Hyland: Summary of Procurement Topic: We need to get from point A to point B... what are the barriers to remove and allow the technical officer to get LOD to the public. ←

14:15:21 <BenediktKaempgen> PhilA: Recommends to use the wiki for glossary.

Phil Archer: Recommends to use the wiki for glossary. ←

14:15:37 <olyerickson> PhilA: rec'd "nice page on the wiki"

Phil Archer: rec'd "nice page on the wiki" [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

14:16:17 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: takes action to create glossary for best practice document

Bernadette Hyland: takes action to create glossary for best practice document ←

14:16:40 <olyerickson> bhyland: it's 9:16

Bernadette Hyland: it's 9:16 [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

14:16:45 <PhilA> action: bhyland to gather terms for a Glossary section in the BP document, then link that static list to the live wiki page where these will be repeated and updated over time

ACTION: bhyland to gather terms for a Glossary section in the BP document, then link that static list to the live wiki page where these will be repeated and updated over time ←

14:16:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-43 - Gather terms for a Glossary section in the BP document, then link that static list to the live wiki page where these will be repeated and updated over time [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2012-02-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-43 - Gather terms for a Glossary section in the BP document, then link that static list to the live wiki page where these will be repeated and updated over time [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2012-02-02]. ←

14:16:47 <BenediktKaempgen> Does someone want to scribe?

Does someone want to scribe? ←

14:16:50 <GeraldSteeman> *Far out

Gerald Steeman: *Far out ←

14:17:06 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds

Zakim IRC Bot: -DaveReynolds ←

14:17:07 <BenediktKaempgen> Topic: Stability

6. Stability

14:17:14 <PhilA> scribe PhilA

Phil Archer: scribe PhilA ←

14:17:23 <BenediktKaempgen> Thanks, Phil.

Thanks, Phil. ←

14:17:35 <PhilA> rreck: Introduces himself

Ronald Reck: Introduces himself [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:18:27 <olyerickson> DC: Lots of noise...

Scribe problem: the name 'DC' does not match any of the 59 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Dean Allemang Martín Álvarez Phil Archer Yigal Arens Ghislain Atemezing Hadley Beeman Luis Bermudez William Brafford Lyle Burgoon Sarven Capadisli Cory Casanave Richard Cyganiak John Erickson Maria Fernandez Ruiz Yosuke Funahashi Tina Gheen Dan Gillman Asunción Gómez Pérez John Goodwin Jorge Gracia Jonathan Gray Christophe Gueret David Hau Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Bernadette Hyland Benedikt Kaempgen Martin Kaltenböck Stasinos Konstantopoulos Fadi Maali Bede McCall Daniel Mekonnen Elena Montiel Ponsoda Aitor Moreno Chris Musialek Tope Omitola Michael Pendleton Irene Polikoff David Price Ronald Reck Dave Reynolds John Sheridan David Smith John Speakman Biplav Srivastava Gerald Steeman George Thomas Raphaël Troncy Bart van Leeuwen Daniel Vila Boris Villazón-Terrazas Eric VonColln Simon Wall Anne Washington Zachary Whitley Mohamed ZERGAOUI Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown DC: Lots of noise... [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

14:19:00 <PhilA> rreck: What could influence the stability of LOD?

Ronald Reck: What could influence the stability of LOD? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:19:14 <PhilA> rreck: If the info is extremely valuable, it will last a long time

Ronald Reck: If the info is extremely valuable, it will last a long time [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:19:29 <olyerickson> What are we looking at?

John Erickson: What are we looking at? ←

14:19:44 <annew> slides are linked on the F2F page

Anne Washington: slides are linked on the F2F page ←

14:19:46 <olyerickson> Links please before we start presos!!!!

John Erickson: Links please before we start presos!!!! ←

14:19:56 <annew> http://iama.rrecktek.com/html/sites/iama.rrecktek.com/files/Data_Properties.pdf

Anne Washington: http://iama.rrecktek.com/html/sites/iama.rrecktek.com/files/Data_Properties.pdf ←

14:20:01 <PhilA> rreck: is talking through http://iama.rrecktek.com/html/sites/iama.rrecktek.com/files/Data_Properties.pdf

Ronald Reck: is talking through http://iama.rrecktek.com/html/sites/iama.rrecktek.com/files/Data_Properties.pdf [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:20:24 <BenediktKaempgen> mhausenblas, can you invite me to the cool kids?

mhausenblas, can you invite me to the cool kids? ←

14:20:26 <annew> second part of stability presentation will be http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/0/06/W3C-Washington2012_F2F2.pdf

Anne Washington: second part of stability presentation will be http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/0/06/W3C-Washington2012_F2F2.pdf ←

14:20:44 <DaveReynolds> George: examples include "government approved contract vehicle" which tend to be biased towards large companies, "interface to load data" which encourages a batch/static mindset instead of live integration, "Is the vendor or provider an active contributor to Standards groups" which again biases towards large companies.

George Thomas: examples include "government approved contract vehicle" which tend to be biased towards large companies, "interface to load data" which encourages a batch/static mindset instead of live integration, "Is the vendor or provider an active contributor to Standards groups" which again biases towards large companies. [ Scribe Assist by Dave Reynolds ] ←

14:21:48 <BenediktKaempgen> I thought I had invited to one of my circles.

I thought I had invited to one of my circles. ←

14:21:51 <olyerickson> @annew yes but it is hard to juggle...we need "we're now looking at..."

John Erickson: @annew yes but it is hard to juggle...we need "we're now looking at..." ←

14:21:51 <George> thnx DaveReynolds understood

George Thomas: thnx DaveReynolds understood ←

14:22:16 <annew> understood olyerickson

Anne Washington: understood olyerickson ←

14:24:05 <PhilA> I'm not scribing this as rreck's slides are a good record

Phil Archer: I'm not scribing this as rreck's slides are a good record ←

14:24:12 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+ ←

14:24:37 <bhyland> Should HTTP URIs and attention to proper MIME types by the Linked Data client manage all this correctly?

Bernadette Hyland: Should HTTP URIs and attention to proper MIME types by the Linked Data client manage all this correctly? ←

14:25:11 <bhyland> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←

14:25:13 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me ←

14:25:56 <PhilA> PhilA: Pointing out that recommending not to use diacritic characters is not an internationally acceptable recommendation.

Phil Archer: Pointing out that recommending not to use diacritic characters is not an internationally acceptable recommendation. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:26:26 <dvilasuero> +1 PhilA

Daniel Vila: +1 PhilA ←

14:27:05 <PhilA> bhyland: Not sure whether this is relevant to the Gov Linked data WG - it's more generic and not specific to LD

Bernadette Hyland: Not sure whether this is relevant to the Gov Linked data WG - it's more generic and not specific to LD [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:27:20 <bhyland> ack me

Bernadette Hyland: ack me ←

14:27:20 <PhilA> q- bhyland

Phil Archer: q- bhyland ←

14:27:24 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

14:27:28 <olyerickson> q+

John Erickson: q+ ←

14:27:31 <olyerickson> q?

John Erickson: q? ←

14:27:44 <PhilA> sandro: I share bhyland's thoughts

Sandro Hawke: I share bhyland's thoughts [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:27:51 <olyerickson> pop me from queue

John Erickson: pop me from queue ←

14:28:07 <George> sandro: stability here is about URI stability

Sandro Hawke: stability here is about URI stability [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←

14:28:07 <HadleyBeeman> ack olyrerickson

Hadley Beeman: ack olyrerickson ←

14:28:12 <PhilA> sandro: not sure the archive format is relevant. What is relevant in this space is URI persistence

Sandro Hawke: not sure the archive format is relevant. What is relevant in this space is URI persistence [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:28:22 <bhyland> Sandro:Stability is about maintaining persistent of a link, over time, that is the problem we are trying to solve.

Sandro Hawke: Stability is about maintaining persistent of a link, over time, that is the problem we are trying to solve. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

14:28:25 <PhilA> PhilA: +1 - that's what I thought this session would be on

Phil Archer: +1 - that's what I thought this session would be on [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:28:26 <DanG> q+

Dan Gillman: q+ ←

14:28:34 <PhilA> ack olyerickson

Phil Archer: ack olyerickson ←

14:29:04 <PhilA> olyerickson: I wanted to disagree slightly with the point just taken

John Erickson: I wanted to disagree slightly with the point just taken [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:29:19 <PhilA> olyerickson: This touches on one of the conversations that we had yesterday

John Erickson: This touches on one of the conversations that we had yesterday [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:29:44 <olyerickson> pop me from queue

John Erickson: pop me from queue ←

14:29:50 <bhyland> Olyerickson: Disagrees slightly.  Some of this touches on yesterday's conversation re: using good data management practices, but we should provide treatment of LOD differences.

John Erickson: Disagrees slightly. Some of this touches on yesterday's conversation re: using good data management practices, but we should provide treatment of LOD differences. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

14:30:06 <PhilA> olyerickson: It doesn't hurt to say that stakeholders should be using good data management lifecycle practices and then say that there are specific issues wrt LD that may not otherwise be obvious

John Erickson: It doesn't hurt to say that stakeholders should be using good data management lifecycle practices and then say that there are specific issues wrt LD that may not otherwise be obvious [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:31:00 <bhyland> ... The issue of different archive files is a problem RPI deals with daily.  GB sized datafiles for download are non-trivial problems that we deal with somewhat uniquely within the LOD community.

Bernadette Hyland: ... The issue of different archive files is a problem RPI deals with daily. GB sized datafiles for download are non-trivial problems that we deal with somewhat uniquely within the LOD community. ←

14:31:37 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

14:31:43 <PhilA> ack danG

Phil Archer: ack danG ←

14:31:52 <PhilA> DanG: I think I agree with olyerickson

Dan Gillman: I think I agree with olyerickson [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:31:57 <olyerickson> The last speaker was me ;)

John Erickson: The last speaker was me ;) ←

14:32:27 <sandro> yeah, but we don't have the expertise/right to speak to data in general.....

Sandro Hawke: yeah, but we don't have the expertise/right to speak to data in general..... ←

14:32:30 <PhilA> DanG: Some of these recommendations are general and not specific to LD but they are specific to data and much of what is going to be said does still matter

Dan Gillman: Some of these recommendations are general and not specific to LD but they are specific to data and much of what is going to be said does still matter [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:32:39 <George> ack DanG

George Thomas: ack DanG ←

14:32:47 <olyerickson> My point was there are *some* practices that are indeed unique to Linked Data

John Erickson: My point was there are *some* practices that are indeed unique to Linked Data ←

14:32:56 <George> +1 sandro

George Thomas: +1 sandro ←

14:33:09 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

14:33:16 <HadleyBeeman> Are there other, more general W3C practices for data management that we can take in reference?

Hadley Beeman: Are there other, more general W3C practices for data management that we can take in reference? ←

14:33:46 <sandro> mhausenblas, yeah, I haven't been working on that this morning.

Sandro Hawke: mhausenblas, yeah, I haven't been working on that this morning. ←

14:33:55 <olyerickson> ...a provider can't trivially choose between formats they make available, etc...

John Erickson: ...a provider can't trivially choose between formats they make available, etc... ←

14:34:14 <PhilA> bhyland: Suggest that we deal with - recognising that when you put data out ...

Bernadette Hyland: Suggest that we deal with - recognising that when you put data out ... [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:34:42 <PhilA> sandro: When i use RDF I refer to other people's URIs and I need some confidence in their management or my stuff will break

Sandro Hawke: When i use RDF I refer to other people's URIs and I need some confidence in their management or my stuff will break [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:34:56 <PhilA> annew: That's part of the stability issue

Anne Washington: That's part of the stability issue [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:35:30 <PhilA> bhyland: The other is dealing with very large file sizes.

Bernadette Hyland: The other is dealing with very large file sizes. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:35:47 <PhilA> bh: People don't download to their laptopns they work with them in the cloud

Bernadette Hyland: People don't download to their laptops they work with them in the cloud [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:36:01 <PhilA> s/laptopns/laptops/

14:36:40 <olyerickson> @sandro I think I see the point --- hard for me to articulate, but this isn't about back-end stability, more about keeping the Web of Data stable

John Erickson: @sandro I think I see the point --- hard for me to articulate, but this isn't about back-end stability, more about keeping the Web of Data stable ←

14:36:43 <annew> good question Hadley

Anne Washington: good question Hadley ←

14:36:49 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

14:37:10 <PhilA> Mike_Pendleton: I'm happy to go back and make some revisions based on this interesting discussion

Michael Pendleton: I'm happy to go back and make some revisions based on this interesting discussion [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:37:40 <George> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/0/06/W3C-Washington2012_F2F2.pdf

George Thomas: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/0/06/W3C-Washington2012_F2F2.pdf ←

14:38:06 <PhilA> annew: Talking through http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/0/06/W3C-Washington2012_F2F2.pdf

Anne Washington: Talking through http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/0/06/W3C-Washington2012_F2F2.pdf [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:38:23 <bhyland> Summary of this topic (stability): 1) Stability is about maintaining persistent of a link, over time, that is the problem we are trying to solve. 2) Dealing with large file sizes.

Bernadette Hyland: Summary of this topic (stability): 1) Stability is about maintaining persistent of a link, over time, that is the problem we are trying to solve. 2) Dealing with large file sizes. ←

14:39:03 <bhyland> Topic: Stability (continued) by AnneW

7. Stability (continued) by AnneW

14:39:15 <sandro> (Great, this stuff looks more in line with what I was expecting.... )

Sandro Hawke: (Great, this stuff looks more in line with what I was expecting.... ) ←

14:39:47 <bhyland> +1

Bernadette Hyland: +1 ←

14:40:27 <bhyland> AnneW: Best practices for Stability is all about "Making data available in perpetuity, persistently archived if necessary."

Anne Washington: Best practices for Stability is all about "Making data available in perpetuity, persistently archived if necessary." [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

14:40:48 <bhyland> ... It is predictable, follows a logical format.

Bernadette Hyland: ... It is predictable, follows a logical format. ←

14:41:08 <bhyland> ... It is Externally visible and has stable consistent locations

Bernadette Hyland: ... It is Externally visible and has stable consistent locations ←

14:41:24 <Zakim> +sandro.a

Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro.a ←

14:41:32 <Zakim> -sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro ←

14:41:43 <bhyland> ... provides a Legacy - uses earlier naming schemes, formats, data storage devices

Bernadette Hyland: ... provides a Legacy - uses earlier naming schemes, formats, data storage devices ←

14:42:26 <bhyland> ... Has stewards, someone needs to take responsibility - people are committed to consistently maintain specific datasets

Bernadette Hyland: ... Has stewards, someone needs to take responsibility - people are committed to consistently maintain specific datasets ←

14:42:26 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

14:43:06 <olyerickson> annew hadleybeeman was that "We have to have the Ability for Stability?"

John Erickson: annew hadleybeeman was that "We have to have the Ability for Stability?" ←

14:43:13 <bhyland> ... If this is tied to support of a business unit, or legislative function, that is key.

Bernadette Hyland: ... If this is tied to support of a business unit, or legislative function, that is key. ←

14:43:28 <HadleyBeeman> Yep, olyerickson.  That's the one. /cc annew

Hadley Beeman: Yep, olyerickson. That's the one. /cc annew ←

14:44:07 <bhyland> Contact and data consistency are related to success.  Consistent infrastructure,  and separation of internal politics and external stability.

Bernadette Hyland: Contact and data consistency are related to success. Consistent infrastructure, and separation of internal politics and external stability. ←

14:44:46 <PhilA> q+ to highlight persistence WS http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/12/dnap-workshop/notes.html

Phil Archer: q+ to highlight persistence WS http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/12/dnap-workshop/notes.html ←

14:44:50 <bhyland> .... It is a good to have a data "last will & testament" to ensure your wishes are maintained in perpetuity.

Bernadette Hyland: .... It is a good to have a data "last will & testament" to ensure your wishes are maintained in perpetuity. ←

14:45:24 <olyerickson> The problem that estates have is that even if they are 'required' to persist (by policy or statute) they still might not b sustainable (no unfunded mandates)

John Erickson: The problem that estates have is that even if they are 'required' to persist (by policy or statute) they still might not b sustainable (no unfunded mandates) ←

14:45:35 <bhyland> ... I don't know what model we're going to recommend yet, but there are some for consideration.

Bernadette Hyland: ... I don't know what model we're going to recommend yet, but there are some for consideration. ←

14:45:50 <olyerickson> q+

John Erickson: q+ ←

14:45:59 <bhyland> Some models for stability include: Estate, Archives, Private Foundation, Government stewards, Internet organizations

Bernadette Hyland: Some models for stability include: Estate, Archives, Private Foundation, Government stewards, Internet organizations ←

14:46:56 <Yigal> q+

Yigal Arens: q+ ←

14:47:14 <cygri> q+ to comment on preservation of content vs preservation of access

Richard Cyganiak: q+ to comment on preservation of content vs preservation of access ←

14:47:53 <bhyland> Key concepts around interconnections. These are  sources that establish a context for the production and/or use of an artifact. W3C Provenance.  There are mechanims for persistence.  Some are PURLs, handles.

Bernadette Hyland: Key concepts around interconnections. These are sources that establish a context for the production and/or use of an artifact. W3C Provenance. There are mechanims for persistence. Some are PURLs, handles. ←

14:48:12 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

14:48:21 <bhyland> Key considerations: Preservation of Content,  Preservation of Access, Conservation of media

Bernadette Hyland: Key considerations: Preservation of Content, Preservation of Access, Conservation of media ←

14:49:10 <bhyland> ... Other considerations include how long term is long term? 2 years, 10 years, forever?  Organizations need to consider this.

Bernadette Hyland: ... Other considerations include how long term is long term? 2 years, 10 years, forever? Organizations need to consider this. ←

14:49:13 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q? ←

14:49:17 <annew> Rock on 8 track tapes!

Anne Washington: Rock on 8 track tapes! ←

14:49:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←

14:49:43 <PhilA> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/0/06/W3C-Washington2012_F2F2.pdf

Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/0/06/W3C-Washington2012_F2F2.pdf ←

14:49:51 <PhilA> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/0/06/W3C-Washington2012_F2F2.pdf

Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/0/06/W3C-Washington2012_F2F2.pdf ←

14:50:08 <PhilA> Let me try again http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/12/dnap-workshop/notes.html

Phil Archer: Let me try again http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/12/dnap-workshop/notes.html ←

14:50:13 <annew> chia ching!

Anne Washington: chia ching! ←

14:51:05 <bhyland> Questions: PhilA mentioned workshop held earlier this month.  Longevity differs depending on who you are speaking to.  For example, a librarian things in centuries.

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Unknown Questions: PhilA mentioned workshop held earlier this month. Longevity differs depending on who you are speaking to. For example, a librarian things in centuries. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

14:51:17 <cygri> .cz has been gone *twice*

Richard Cyganiak: .cz has been gone *twice* ←

14:51:26 <HadleyBeeman> PhilA: we were reminded this weekend that the average life span of a government department in the UK is 5.5 years.

Phil Archer: we were reminded this weekend that the average life span of a government department in the UK is 5.5 years. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←

14:51:30 <bhyland> Various level domains have disappeared due to geographic boundaries changing, including countries.

Bernadette Hyland: Various level domains have disappeared due to geographic boundaries changing, including countries. ←

14:51:37 <HadleyBeeman> Big implications for URI persistence/stability

Hadley Beeman: Big implications for URI persistence/stability ←

14:52:01 <bhyland> ... Agreement with an institution in advance.  For example, if W3.org goes away, then MIT.edu will pick it up.

Bernadette Hyland: ... Agreement with an institution in advance. For example, if W3.org goes away, then MIT.edu will pick it up. ←

14:52:54 <olyerickson> RE "one of the registrars, it may have been someone from CNRI (representing Handles) or crossref (representing DOIs, based on Handles)

John Erickson: RE "one of the registrars, it may have been someone from CNRI (representing Handles) or crossref (representing DOIs, based on Handles) ←

14:53:03 <bhyland> ... Top level domain for .arpa, only available if you have an RFC (Request for Comment).  If you coordinate with IETC, you can get a .arpa domain.

Bernadette Hyland: ... Top level domain for .arpa, only available if you have an RFC (Request for Comment). If you coordinate with IETC, you can get a .arpa domain. ←

14:53:27 <bhyland> .... someone suggested W3C should have w3.arpa, it is so important.

Bernadette Hyland: .... someone suggested W3C should have w3.arpa, it is so important. ←

14:53:51 <annew> 8 track = google +

Anne Washington: 8 track = google + ←

14:53:59 <bhyland> ... DNS has been around for many decades, even longer than 8-track cartridges (which the cool kids know prevailed as a better technology solution)

Bernadette Hyland: ... DNS has been around for many decades, even longer than 8-track cartridges (which the cool kids know should have prevailed as a better technology solution) ←

14:54:07 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

14:54:15 <George> 'for the life of the republic'

George Thomas: 'for the life of the republic' ←

14:54:19 <bhyland> s/know prevailed/know should have prevailed/

14:54:22 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me ←

14:54:22 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to highlight persistence WS http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/12/dnap-workshop/notes.html

Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, you wanted to highlight persistence WS http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/12/dnap-workshop/notes.html ←

14:55:03 <PhilA> olyerickson: Thanks annew for the talk.

John Erickson: Thanks annew for the talk. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:55:13 <PhilA> olyerickson: I was involved in the handle.DOI discussion

John Erickson: I was involved in the handle.DOI discussion [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:55:24 <olyerickson> q?

John Erickson: q? ←

14:55:31 <bhyland> olyerickson: Thanks to AnneW for a very comprehensive talk that highlights her library science expertise/perspective.

John Erickson: Thanks to AnneW for a very comprehensive talk that highlights her library science expertise/perspective. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

14:55:39 <PhilA> olyerickson: When people set up institutional archives, a concern has been around what naming structure to use

John Erickson: When people set up institutional archives, a concern has been around what naming structure to use [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:56:24 <bhyland> ... Handles system - single source is a concern.  What if CNRI went out of business, or Bob Kahn got hit by a bus.

Bernadette Hyland: ... Handles system - single source is a concern. What if CNRI went out of business, or Bob Kahn got hit by a bus. ←

14:56:52 <annew> DOI = Digital Object Identifier. A consortium of publishers created for commercial handles

Anne Washington: DOI = Digital Object Identifier. A consortium of publishers created for commercial handles ←

14:57:04 <bhyland> ... people were concerned about (one or two) publishers backing DOIs ... too much central control.

Bernadette Hyland: ... people were concerned about (one or two) publishers backing DOIs ... too much central control. ←

14:57:36 <bhyland> ... Believes our WG's recommendations should help people make decisions.

Bernadette Hyland: ... Believes our WG's recommendations should help people make decisions. ←

14:57:47 <annew> handles  http://handle.net from CNRI

Anne Washington: handles http://handle.net from CNRI ←

14:57:53 <bhyland> ... PURLs infrastructure mentioned.

Bernadette Hyland: ... PURLs infrastructure mentioned. ←

14:57:59 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q? ←

14:58:03 <bhyland> bhyland

Bernadette Hyland: bhyland ←

14:58:07 <bhyland> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←

14:58:11 <olyerickson> q-

John Erickson: q- ←

14:58:21 <PhilA> ack Yigal

Phil Archer: ack Yigal ←

14:59:11 <olyerickson> I think Web of Data (and persistence of links) adds new meaning to "preservation"

John Erickson: I think Web of Data (and persistence of links) adds new meaning to "preservation" ←

14:59:13 <bhyland> Yigal: NSF had a research program circa 2005 that looked into preservation of data.  I remember a few things of note: 1) in order for things to be preserved, you must retain *interest* in the data.  Maintenance of electronic data requires "care and feeding", a continued expense.

Yigal Arens: NSF had a research program circa 2005 that looked into preservation of data. I remember a few things of note: 1) in order for things to be preserved, you must retain *interest* in the data. Maintenance of electronic data requires "care and feeding", a continued expense. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

14:59:25 <olyerickson> ...continuity of access <-> stability

John Erickson: ...continuity of access <-> stability ←

14:59:25 <bhyland> ... if there is no perceived interest, these things will not be made available.

Bernadette Hyland: ... if there is no perceived interest, these things will not be made available. ←

14:59:40 <cygri> very good point - data won't survive loss of interest

Richard Cyganiak: very good point - data won't survive loss of interest ←

14:59:52 <bhyland> @GeraldSteeman - can you chime in here about STI?? NASA's work???

Bernadette Hyland: @GeraldSteeman - can you chime in here about STI?? NASA's work??? ←

15:00:20 <PhilA> PhilA: Notes that W3C does not print its Recs. I believe that the IETF does print its RFCs

Phil Archer: Notes that W3C does not print its Recs. I believe that the IETF does print its RFCs [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:00:28 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q? ←

15:00:30 <Cory> I doubt storing paper is cheaper!

Cory Casanave: I doubt storing paper is cheaper! ←

15:00:40 <annew> storing paper is different than migrating data.

Anne Washington: storing paper is different than migrating data. ←

15:01:02 <annew> migrating data required continuous activity and pruning and consideration

Anne Washington: migrating data required continuous activity and pruning and consideration ←

15:01:14 <annew> :-)

Anne Washington: :-) ←

15:01:30 <bhyland> GeraldSteeman: Pressure within scientific & technical information community to digitize and provide guidance on longevity, access and of course, persistence.

Gerald Steeman: Pressure within scientific & technical information community to digitize and provide guidance on longevity, access and of course, persistence. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

15:01:44 <bhyland> ... If there is no interest, is there no value?

Bernadette Hyland: ... If there is no interest, is there no value? ←

15:02:01 <bhyland> ... perceived value may change over time.  Interest may change over time.

Bernadette Hyland: ... perceived value may change over time. Interest may change over time. ←

15:02:59 <annew> and the first electronic census is lost

Anne Washington: and the first electronic census is lost ←

15:03:02 <bhyland> DanG: shares the story about the circa 1960's data on some tape format that cannot be read.  The 9 track tape readers have all gone to the dump and cannot get at the data.

Dan Gillman: shares the story about the circa 1960's data on some tape format that cannot be read. The 9 track tape readers have all gone to the dump and cannot get at the data. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

15:03:19 <HadleyBeeman> That's really sad

Hadley Beeman: That's really sad ←

15:03:27 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

15:03:29 <bhyland> ... census data from 1960's data is lost while we have paper based records from the 19th centry that persisted.

Bernadette Hyland: ... census data from 1960's data is lost while we have paper based records from the 18th centry that persisted. ←

15:03:36 <PhilA> q+ lunch

Phil Archer: q+ lunch ←

15:03:37 <annew> this is the danger of going electronic without considering the long term storage of it.

Anne Washington: this is the danger of going electronic without considering the long term storage of it. ←

15:03:46 <PhilA> ack cygri

Phil Archer: ack cygri ←

15:03:46 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to comment on preservation of content vs preservation of access

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you wanted to comment on preservation of content vs preservation of access ←

15:04:05 <PhilA> cygri: There was a question about the disctinction between persistence of content and access

Richard Cyganiak: There was a question about the disctinction between persistence of content and access [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:04:20 <PhilA> cygri: not sure where the draw the line between the 2

Richard Cyganiak: not sure where the draw the line between the 2 [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:04:30 <bhyland> Cygri: persistence of access and content ... where do you draw the line.

Richard Cyganiak: persistence of access and content ... where do you draw the line. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

15:04:37 <PhilA> cygri: I create a bunch of files with the RDF and structure to support it

Richard Cyganiak: I create a bunch of files with the RDF and structure to support it [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:04:57 <olyerickson> cygri: where to draw the line, persistence of data/persistence(??) of access

Richard Cyganiak: where to draw the line, persistence of data/persistence(??) of access [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

15:04:58 <PhilA> cygri: Once the content that I set up no longer dereference, a big part of it has been lost

Richard Cyganiak: Once the content that I set up no longer dereference, a big part of it has been lost [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:05:00 <Yigal> s/19th/18th

15:05:04 <bhyland> ... for content to persistent because someone has a copy of these files.  But once the URIs don't de-reference any more, the value has been lost.

Bernadette Hyland: ... for content to persistent because someone has a copy of these files. But once the URIs don't de-reference any more, the value has been lost. ←

15:05:17 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to cygri's point that we need to preserve access, in addition to the content itself.  Preserved content that no one can access isn't useful.

Hadley Beeman: +1 to cygri's point that we need to preserve access, in addition to the content itself. Preserved content that no one can access isn't useful. ←

15:05:56 <annew> olyerickson... you just aren't cool ;-)

Anne Washington: olyerickson... you just aren't cool ;-) ←

15:06:07 <PhilA> bhyland: Tries not to get into the nit picking between URI and URL. After lucnh we'll have a session on HttpRange14

Bernadette Hyland: Tries not to get into the nit picking between URI and URL. After lucnh we'll have a session on HttpRange14 [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:06:13 <bhyland> Thus preserviing the value of URIs is very important, URIs must remain resolvable (agreed to not open URI vs URL discussion here ...).

Bernadette Hyland: Thus preserviing the value of URIs is very important, URIs must remain resolvable (agreed to not open URI vs URL discussion here ...). ←

15:06:27 <PhilA> cygri: The 2nd question concerns the stages that might kill the stability of deployed data

Richard Cyganiak: The 2nd question concerns the stages that might kill the stability of deployed data [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:06:29 <bhyland> We can say there are staged events to help stability of deployed content ...

Bernadette Hyland: We can say there are staged events to help stability of deployed content ... ←

15:06:47 <PhilA> cygri: Can the thing outlibe the individual who set it up departing the organisation?

Richard Cyganiak: Can the thing outlive the individual who set it up departing the organisation? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:06:54 <olyerickson> HadleyBeeman, the point the Handle/DOI community has made for years is that having "persistent IDs" in the infrastructure is useless if there is no commitment to maintain continuity of access

John Erickson: HadleyBeeman, the point the Handle/DOI community has made for years is that having "persistent IDs" in the infrastructure is useless if there is no commitment to maintain continuity of access ←

15:06:55 <PhilA> s/outlibe/outlive/

15:06:56 <bhyland> 1) Can the data outlive the steward.  Someone leaves and can their organization be a good steward?

Bernadette Hyland: 1) Can the data outlive the steward. Someone leaves and can their organization be a good steward? ←

15:07:10 <olyerickson> ...and that requires back-end maintenance etc

John Erickson: ...and that requires back-end maintenance etc ←

15:07:16 <PhilA> cygri: Can it outlive the death of DNS? Western civilisation?

Richard Cyganiak: Can it outlive the death of DNS? Western civilisation? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:07:26 <bhyland> 2) Can it outlive the DNS and death of Western Civilization as we know it on the Internet?

Bernadette Hyland: 2) Can it outlive the DNS and death of Western Civilization as we know it on the Internet? ←

15:07:56 <bhyland> ... Of course DNS has been stable for some decades, but change happens.

Bernadette Hyland: ... Of course DNS has been stable for some decades, but change happens. ←

15:08:10 <PhilA> cygri: Individuals leave all the time, but DNS seems pretty stable for now

Richard Cyganiak: Individuals leave all the time, but DNS seems pretty stable for now [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:09:37 <annew> zen philosophy... zen and the art of rdf maintainence

Anne Washington: zen philosophy... zen and the art of rdf maintainence ←

15:09:38 <bhyland> ... It would be good to include advice on moving top level domains, and there are strategies for handling this.  We should provide guidance on this.

Bernadette Hyland: ... It would be good to include advice on moving top level domains, and there are strategies for handling this. We should provide guidance on this. ←

15:09:53 <bhyland> ... Mention there are costs associated with URIs.

Bernadette Hyland: ... Mention there are costs associated with URIs. ←

15:10:04 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

15:10:08 <bhyland> AnneW: It is about a stability of infrastructure that we're talking about.

Anne Washington: It is about a stability of infrastructure that we're talking about. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

15:10:22 <olyerickson> annew: it's "stability of infrastructure' we're talking about

Anne Washington: it's "stability of infrastructure' we're talking about [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

15:10:42 <PhilA> annew: I'll take the point about accepting that it's about managing change, not working to avoid it altogether

Anne Washington: I'll take the point about accepting that it's about managing change, not working to avoid it altogether [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:10:46 <bhyland> AnneW: I'll fold in guidance on gracefully handling change ... save the end of Western Civilization or the entire economy changes ...

Anne Washington: I'll fold in guidance on gracefully handling change ... save the end of Western Civilization or the entire economy changes ... [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

15:10:49 <PhilA> ack sandro

Phil Archer: ack sandro ←

15:10:55 <olyerickson> ...we need to bound conversation (no questions about economy collapsing, etc)

John Erickson: ...we need to bound conversation (no questions about economy collapsing, etc) ←

15:11:04 <PhilA> sandro: has said a lot of what I wanted to say

Sandro Hawke: has said a lot of what I wanted to say [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:11:20 <GeraldSteeman> q+

Gerald Steeman: q+ ←

15:11:28 <bhyland> Sandro:  I think this WG needs to be concerned about keeping a given URL working.

Sandro Hawke: I think this WG needs to be concerned about keeping a given URL working. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

15:11:30 <olyerickson> sandro: this group needs to be concerned about "keeping that URL working"

Sandro Hawke: this group needs to be concerned about "keeping that URL working" [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

15:11:35 <cygri> +1 sandro

Richard Cyganiak: +1 sandro ←

15:11:38 <PhilA> sandro: The idea that some copy of the data survives somewhere is separate. What we need to focus on keeping the URL live

Sandro Hawke: The idea that some copy of the data survives somewhere is separate. What we need to focus on keeping the URL live [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:12:05 <cygri> q+ to mention danbri's law

Richard Cyganiak: q+ to mention danbri's law ←

15:12:10 <olyerickson> ...Need new second-level domain for any new "project" that needs to persist

John Erickson: ...Need new second-level domain for any new "project" that needs to persist ←

15:12:12 <PhilA> sandro: Every time you have a new project, set up a new domain that can be moved from person to person, organisation to organisation without any change

Sandro Hawke: Every time you have a new project, set up a new domain that can be moved from person to person, organisation to organisation without any change [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:12:22 <bhyland> ... everytime I hear this conversation, I think stability will be assured by assigning a new atomic, unique top level domain.  I know this is not a consensus position.

Bernadette Hyland: ... everytime I hear this conversation, I think stability will be assured by assigning a new atomic, unique top level domain. I know this is not a consensus position. ←

15:12:43 <olyerickson> ...not a consensus, but to be considered

John Erickson: ...not a consensus, but to be considered ←

15:13:05 <bhyland> For example, thing1.org, thing2.org.

Bernadette Hyland: For example, thing1.org, thing2.org. ←

15:13:10 <olyerickson> ...Domains that can move and have their own "life"

John Erickson: ...Domains that can move and have their own "life" ←

15:13:14 <annew> +1 .data

Anne Washington: +1 .data ←

15:13:57 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

15:14:03 <PhilA> ack bhyland

Phil Archer: ack bhyland ←

15:14:19 <PhilA> I want to see if people have strong feelings on purls?

Phil Archer: I want to see if people have strong feelings on purls? ←

15:14:21 <olyerickson> bhyland: want's to here if people have strong opinions on esp PURLs

Bernadette Hyland: want's to here if people have strong opinions on esp PURLs [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

15:14:45 <PhilA> bhyland: It was news to me that the LoC is using handles/DOIs and not just pruls

Bernadette Hyland: It was news to me that the LoC is using handles/DOIs and not just purls [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:14:50 <PhilA> s/pruls/purls

15:15:06 <bhyland> AnneW: For FDSys, all the new documents are handles not PURLs.

Anne Washington: For FDSys, all the new documents are handles not PURLs. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

15:15:21 <PhilA> annew: basically new stuff is being given handles, purls are seen as old system although is maintained

Anne Washington: basically new stuff is being given handles, purls are seen as old system although is maintained [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:15:55 <PhilA> sandro: Speaks against the use of PURLs

Sandro Hawke: Speaks against the use of PURLs [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:16:11 <PhilA> sandro: They may be a necessary evil but they add another point of failure

Sandro Hawke: They may be a necessary evil but they add another point of failure [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:16:26 <annew> PURLS tradmarked =  (Persistent Uniform Resource Locators) http://purl.oclc.org

Anne Washington: PURLS tradmarked = (Persistent Uniform Resource Locators) http://purl.oclc.org ←

15:16:29 <PhilA> sandro: If you can't get your own domain name, you have your own problems...

Sandro Hawke: If you can't get your own domain name, you have your own problems... [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:16:35 <olyerickson> ...Note that Handle System is parallel to DNS, not dependent on it.

John Erickson: ...Note that Handle System is parallel to DNS, not dependent on it. ←

15:16:38 <cygri> i like purls.

Richard Cyganiak: i like purls. ←

15:16:47 <annew> i like pearls...

Anne Washington: i like pearls... ←

15:16:50 <PhilA> PhilA: Notes that bhyland has a business that sells PURLZ servers

Phil Archer: [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:17:11 <PhilA> PhilA: There is a difference between PURLs and purl.org

Phil Archer: There is a difference between PURLs and purl.org [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:17:22 <PhilA> ack GeraldSteeman

Phil Archer: ack GeraldSteeman ←

15:17:24 <olyerickson> 90% of Handle System use is through rpoxies, but HDL infrastructure is independent

John Erickson: 90% of Handle System use is through proxies, but HDL infrastructure is independent ←

15:17:36 <olyerickson> s/rprox/prox/

John Erickson: s/rprox/prox/ (warning: replacement failed) ←

15:17:49 <PhilA> GeraldSteeman: I wanted to agree with sandro on the pre-PURL discussion

Gerald Steeman: I wanted to agree with sandro on the pre-PURL discussion [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:17:51 <olyerickson> s/rpox/prox/

15:18:11 <annew> Government Printing Office GPO http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/

Anne Washington: Government Printing Office GPO http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/ ←

15:18:11 <PhilA> GeraldSteeman: If it can live on its own then its value can be passed from one person to another

Gerald Steeman: If it can live on its own then its value can be passed from one person to another [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:18:29 <bhyland> @PhilA, note, I don't have a business that sells PURLs servers.  PURLs is a FLOSS project.  I run a company that provides commercial support for a given instance of a production server running PURLs by the US GPO.

Bernadette Hyland: @PhilA, note, I don't have a business that sells PURLs servers. PURLs is a FLOSS project. I run a company that provides commercial support for a given instance of a production server running PURLs by the US GPO. ←

15:18:38 <PhilA> GeraldSteeman: The US has an 'official record' and gov officials are bound to submit it to the national archives so that there is an archived version of that info

Gerald Steeman: The US has an 'official record' and gov officials are bound to submit it to the national archives so that there is an archived version of that info [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:19:10 <PhilA> s/Notes that bhyland has a business that sells PURLZ servers//

15:19:25 <bhyland> It is the difference between a company running a production Apache server for a customer and the Apache Project.  We are not the PURLs project, just a user of it :-)

Bernadette Hyland: It is the difference between a company running a production Apache server for a customer and the Apache Project. We are not the PURLs project, just a user of it :-) ←

15:19:34 <PhilA> ack cygri

Phil Archer: ack cygri ←

15:19:35 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to mention danbri's law

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you wanted to mention danbri's law ←

15:19:40 <cygri> danbri's rule: "Rule of thumb - when wondering what info to include in a namespace URI, ... try to leave *out* as much as possible"

Richard Cyganiak: danbri's rule: "Rule of thumb - when wondering what info to include in a namespace URI, ... try to leave *out* as much as possible" ←

15:19:41 <annew> The items printed by the GPO, official record, can be accessed through handle technology

Anne Washington: The items printed by the GPO, official record, can be accessed through handle technology ←

15:19:55 <PhilA> cygri: I wanted to say +1 to sandro's point about getting a new domain for a project

Richard Cyganiak: I wanted to say +1 to sandro's point about getting a new domain for a project [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:20:30 <bhyland> Cygri: Danbri's advice is 'leave it out if possible', any thing that can change should be left out if possible.

Richard Cyganiak: Danbri's advice is 'leave it out if possible', any thing that can change should be left out if possible. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

15:20:44 <PhilA> cygri: schema.org URIs are short, easy to remember and a good example

Richard Cyganiak: schema.org URIs are short, easy to remember and a good example [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:20:47 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+ ←

15:20:51 <PhilA> q-

Phil Archer: q- ←

15:20:53 <mhausenblas> ack lunch

Michael Hausenblas: ack lunch ←

15:20:56 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

15:21:16 <annew> Lunch is HUNGRY

Anne Washington: Lunch is HUNGRY ←

15:21:24 <Zakim> -sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro ←

15:21:34 <HadleyBeeman> calendar says 1.5 hours

Hadley Beeman: calendar says 1.5 hours ←

15:21:40 <annew> Thanks all for a great discussion

Anne Washington: Thanks all for a great discussion ←

15:21:49 <HadleyBeeman> so— 1 hour?

Hadley Beeman: so— 1 hour? ←

15:21:55 <mhausenblas> reconvene at 11:15 and 4:15

Michael Hausenblas: reconvene at 11:15 and 4:15 ←

15:21:56 <olyerickson> What was the question?

John Erickson: What was the question? ←

15:21:57 <cygri> thank you annew!

Richard Cyganiak: thank you annew! ←

15:21:58 <t_gheen> \quit

Tina Gheen: \quit ←

15:22:01 <HadleyBeeman> bye

Hadley Beeman: bye ←

15:22:06 <mhausenblas> Zakim, mute galway

Michael Hausenblas: Zakim, mute galway ←

15:22:07 <Zakim> galway should now be muted

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15:22:25 <Zakim> -t_gheen

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15:35:19 <Zakim> -GeraldSteeman

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15:47:16 <mhausenblas> q+ to suggest a timeline for FPWD 9 Feb and 23 Feb

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15:47:18 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

15:48:40 <olyerickson> mhausenblas I lost your G+ audio...

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15:53:41 <mhausenblas> Michael: The latest ED of the BP document is now available via https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/a1cb0d2a8fc9/bp/index.html

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16:03:39 <Zakim> +sandro

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16:10:48 <olyerickson> whoa, that was noisy...

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16:14:35 <mhausenblas> Zakim, unmute galway

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16:14:35 <Zakim> galway should no longer be muted

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16:21:30 <mhausenblas> Galway's ready

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Michael Hausenblas: Galway's ready ←

16:21:35 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?

Michael Hausenblas: Zakim, who's here? ←

16:21:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see sandro, galway, olyerickson, Washington, [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see sandro, galway, olyerickson, Washington, [IPcaller] ←

16:21:37 <Zakim> galway has galway, fadi, PhilA, dvilasuero, cygri, mhausenblas, GofranShukair, BartvanLeeuwen, csarven, BenediktKaempgen, gatemezin, boris, spyroskotoulas, DeirdreLee

Zakim IRC Bot: galway has galway, fadi, PhilA, dvilasuero, cygri, mhausenblas, GofranShukair, BartvanLeeuwen, csarven, BenediktKaempgen, gatemezin, boris, spyroskotoulas, DeirdreLee ←

16:21:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see boris, olyerickson, Cory, MacTed, GofranShukair, danbri, DaveReynolds, stasinos, GeraldSteeman, BenediktKaempgen, dvilasuero, mhausenblas, Zakim, fadi, RRSAgent,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see boris, olyerickson, Cory, MacTed, GofranShukair, danbri, DaveReynolds, stasinos, GeraldSteeman, BenediktKaempgen, dvilasuero, mhausenblas, Zakim, fadi, RRSAgent, ←

16:21:44 <Zakim> ... PhilA, cygri, csarven, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman, cgueret_work, rreck, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... PhilA, cygri, csarven, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman, cgueret_work, rreck, trackbot, sandro ←

16:22:39 <Zakim> +??P1

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P1 ←

16:22:49 <stasinos> Zakim, ??P1 is stasinos

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: Zakim, ??P1 is stasinos ←

16:22:49 <Zakim> +stasinos; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +stasinos; got it ←

16:26:50 <PhilA> Here's a piece relevant to the discussion earlier about procurement and what the UK Cabinet Office is doing http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240114381/UK-Governments-prepares-to-open-up-IT-procurement

Phil Archer: Here's a piece relevant to the discussion earlier about procurement and what the UK Cabinet Office is doing http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240114381/UK-Governments-prepares-to-open-up-IT-procurement ←

16:26:55 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman ←

16:27:00 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

16:28:28 <cygri> dcat slides: ��http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/2/28/Dcat-gld-f2f2.pdf

Richard Cyganiak: dcat slides: ��http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/2/28/Dcat-gld-f2f2.pdf ←

16:29:13 <mhausenblas> Topic: DCAT

8. DCAT

16:29:37 <Mike_Pendleton> Richard covering DCAT

Michael Pendleton: Richard covering DCAT ←

16:30:03 <mhausenblas> q-

Michael Hausenblas: q- ←

16:30:21 <PhilA> scribe: gatemezi

(Scribe set to Ghislain Atemezing)

16:30:27 <gatemezi> scribeNickname: gatemezi

Scribe problem: the name 'scribeNickname' does not match any of the 59 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Dean Allemang Martín Álvarez Phil Archer Yigal Arens Ghislain Atemezing Hadley Beeman Luis Bermudez William Brafford Lyle Burgoon Sarven Capadisli Cory Casanave Richard Cyganiak John Erickson Maria Fernandez Ruiz Yosuke Funahashi Tina Gheen Dan Gillman Asunción Gómez Pérez John Goodwin Jorge Gracia Jonathan Gray Christophe Gueret David Hau Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Bernadette Hyland Benedikt Kaempgen Martin Kaltenböck Stasinos Konstantopoulos Fadi Maali Bede McCall Daniel Mekonnen Elena Montiel Ponsoda Aitor Moreno Chris Musialek Tope Omitola Michael Pendleton Irene Polikoff David Price Ronald Reck Dave Reynolds John Sheridan David Smith John Speakman Biplav Srivastava Gerald Steeman George Thomas Raphaël Troncy Bart van Leeuwen Daniel Vila Boris Villazón-Terrazas Eric VonColln Simon Wall Anne Washington Zachary Whitley Mohamed ZERGAOUI Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown scribeNickname: gatemezi ←

16:30:45 <gatemezi> cygri: slides are on the wiki...

Richard Cyganiak: slides are on the wiki... ←

16:30:59 <gatemezi> cygri: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/dcat/index.html

Richard Cyganiak: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/dcat/index.html ←

16:31:20 <gatemezi> ..is not a publicly editor draft

..is not a publicly editor draft ←

16:31:25 <Mike_Pendleton> DCAT Editors Draft available

Michael Pendleton: DCAT Editors Draft available ←

16:31:46 <gatemezi> cygri: have dataset, can have distribution...

Richard Cyganiak: have dataset, can have distribution... ←

16:32:00 <PhilA> Editor's draft *is* now public, however, do not take any notice of the URIs for it - this has not been agreed

Phil Archer: Editor's draft *is* now public, however, do not take any notice of the URIs for it - this has not been agreed ←

16:32:04 <gatemezi> ....with the different versions of the data (csv, xml,..)

....with the different versions of the data (csv, xml,..) ←

16:32:32 <Mike_Pendleton> many properties from FOAF

Michael Pendleton: many properties from FOAF ←

16:32:34 <gatemezi> cygri: DCAT has been shapered along withi the eGov .

Richard Cyganiak: DCAT has been shapered along withi the eGov . ←

16:32:55 <gatemezi> ..still in the process to move stuff in the W3C domain

..still in the process to move stuff in the W3C domain ←

16:33:08 <Mike_Pendleton> connecting use cases and requirements

Michael Pendleton: connecting use cases and requirements ←

16:33:14 <gatemezi> cygri: collected some requirements...

Richard Cyganiak: collected some requirements... ←

16:33:28 <olyerickson> cygri: Slide 5, use cases inherited from earlier eGov discussions

Richard Cyganiak: Slide 5, use cases inherited from earlier eGov discussions [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

16:33:47 <olyerickson> ...Q: what to do with these use cases

John Erickson: ...Q: what to do with these use cases ←

16:33:55 <olyerickson> ...may make sense to separately publish

John Erickson: ...may make sense to separately publish ←

16:33:55 <gatemezi> cygri: what will we do with those requirements? publish them as note?

Richard Cyganiak: what will we do with those requirements? publish them as note? ←

16:33:55 <Mike_Pendleton> publish use cases as notes is a possibility

Michael Pendleton: publish use cases as notes is a possibility ←

16:34:41 <gatemezi> cygri: certainly have things to be added...some works up-to-date this morning

Richard Cyganiak: certainly have things to be added...some works up-to-date this morning ←

16:34:56 <Mike_Pendleton> identifed open issues in GLD tracker

Michael Pendleton: identifed open issues in GLD tracker ←

16:35:31 <gatemezi> cygri: Some  issues were raised up...

Richard Cyganiak: Some issues were raised up... ←

16:35:42 <Zakim> +sandro.a

Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro.a ←

16:35:49 <Zakim> -sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro ←

16:35:54 <gatemezi> cygri: four people are interested in this work so far

Richard Cyganiak: four people are interested in this work so far ←

16:35:54 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call? ←

16:35:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see stasinos, HadleyBeeman, sandro.a, galway, olyerickson, Washington, [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see stasinos, HadleyBeeman, sandro.a, galway, olyerickson, Washington, [IPcaller] ←

16:35:57 <Zakim> galway has galway, fadi, PhilA, dvilasuero, cygri, mhausenblas, GofranShukair, BartvanLeeuwen, csarven, BenediktKaempgen, gatemezin, boris, spyroskotoulas, DeirdreLee

Zakim IRC Bot: galway has galway, fadi, PhilA, dvilasuero, cygri, mhausenblas, GofranShukair, BartvanLeeuwen, csarven, BenediktKaempgen, gatemezin, boris, spyroskotoulas, DeirdreLee ←

16:36:06 <Mike_Pendleton> Phil, John, Fadi and Richard are woking this issue

Michael Pendleton: Phil, John, Fadi and Richard are woking this issue ←

16:36:34 <gatemezi> cygri: next steps for the following weeks are also described in the last slide

Richard Cyganiak: next steps for the following weeks are also described in the last slide ←

16:36:41 <Mike_Pendleton> Richard asked for those interesting to join

Michael Pendleton: Richard asked for those interesting to join ←

16:37:00 <Mike_Pendleton> interested not interesting...

Michael Pendleton: interesting not interesting... ←

16:37:17 <olyerickson> FPWD => "First Public Working Draft..."

John Erickson: FPWD => "First Public Working Draft..." ←

16:37:24 <gatemezi> s/interested/interesting

16:37:43 <gatemezi> cygri: work through the tracker issue...

Richard Cyganiak: work through the tracker issue... ←

16:37:59 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q? ←

16:38:34 <Mike_Pendleton> thanks PhilA

Michael Pendleton: thanks PhilA ←

16:38:43 <gatemezi> cygri: people aked how does it related to ADMS, etc...?

Richard Cyganiak: people aked how does it related to ADMS, etc...? ←

16:38:50 <mhausenblas> q+

Michael Hausenblas: q+ ←

16:39:11 <gatemezi> cygri: there are of course of alignments but till now not really good answer for that

Richard Cyganiak: there are of course of alignments but till now not really good answer for that ←

16:39:42 <mhausenblas> Michael: The diffs/overview etc. re DCAT, VoiD, etc should be explained via the BP deliverable

Michael Hausenblas: The diffs/overview etc. re DCAT, VoiD, etc should be explained via the BP deliverable [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

16:39:49 <mhausenblas> ack me

Michael Hausenblas: ack me ←

16:39:54 <olyerickson> q+

John Erickson: q+ ←

16:39:55 <Mike_Pendleton> Richard: how can we ready as many publishers of data catalogs as possible; need outreach

Richard Cyganiak: how can we ready as many publishers of data catalogs as possible; need outreach [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

16:40:06 <gatemezi> cygri : outreach to publisher should be to take in consideration

cygri : outreach to publisher should be to take in consideration ←

16:40:09 <PhilA> q+ to talk about outreach

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about outreach ←

16:40:19 <PhilA> ack olyerickson

Phil Archer: ack olyerickson ←

16:40:33 <gatemezi> cygri: comments ? questions?

Richard Cyganiak: comments ? questions? ←

16:41:27 <gatemezi> olyerikson: issue in complexity into the draft that we don't necessary need

John Erickson: issue in complexity into the draft that we don't necessary need ←

16:41:40 <Zakim> -sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro ←

16:41:52 <gatemezi> ...we have issue for example about language

...we have issue for example about language ←

16:42:01 <Mike_Pendleton> Q from olyerickson: draft has no official status, but stable for some time; concern about legacy issues discussed add complexity to process and draft very late that we don't need; we have had little issue with DCAT (other than language); concerned about working issues we don't need to

Michael Pendleton: Q from olyerickson: draft has no official status, but stable for some time; concern about legacy issues discussed add complexity to process and draft very late that we don't need; we have had little issue with DCAT (other than language); concerned about working issues we don't need to ←

16:42:28 <gatemezi> s/olyerikson/olyerickson

16:42:36 <olyerickson> cygri yes, that was my largest point

John Erickson: cygri yes, that was my largest point ←

16:42:42 <gatemezi> cygri: we should be aware of existing deployment

Richard Cyganiak: we should be aware of existing deployment ←

16:42:55 <mhausenblas> q+ to comment on the process

Michael Hausenblas: q+ to comment on the process ←

16:42:56 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

16:43:23 <Mike_Pendleton> Richard: We need to be aware DCAT is being used and we should be aware of that when considering changes; however, it is a draft and not comfortable with saying we shouldn't change it

Richard Cyganiak: We need to be aware DCAT is being used and we should be aware of that when considering changes; however, it is a draft and not comfortable with saying we shouldn't change it [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

16:43:23 <olyerickson> ...and yes, the issues were tabled, not actually dealt with

John Erickson: ...and yes, the issues were tabled, not actually dealt with ←

16:43:25 <gatemezi> ...it's still a draft, but we need to talk about the issues raised by people

...it's still a draft, but we need to talk about the issues raised by people ←

16:43:54 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

16:44:20 <gatemezi> philA: an issue does not need to follow the changes in the draft

Phil Archer: an issue does not need to follow the changes in the draft ←

16:44:48 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me ←

16:44:48 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to talk about outreach

Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, you wanted to talk about outreach ←

16:45:41 <gatemezi> philA: we can put the same time org, best practices in the same time.

Phil Archer: we can put the same time org, best practices in the same time. ←

16:45:53 <George> would like to hear more about CKAN DCAT 'funniness'

George Thomas: would like to hear more about CKAN DCAT 'funniness' ←

16:45:55 <olyerickson> PhilA: "CKAN uses DCAT, but in a 'funny way'"

Phil Archer: "CKAN uses DCAT, but in a 'funny way'" [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

16:45:58 <gatemezi> philA: CKAN is a big use case of the use of DCAT.

Phil Archer: CKAN is a big use case of the use of DCAT. ←

16:46:51 <gatemezi> cygri: need to articulate what we need in other to them to use  (CKAN)

Richard Cyganiak: need to articulate what we need in other to them to use (CKAN) ←

16:46:57 <mhausenblas> Michael: I think we can summarise this -  we (DERI) can take care of CKAN/OKF liaison as we work together on project basis (LATC, LOD2)

Michael Hausenblas: I think we can summarise this - we (DERI) can take care of CKAN/OKF liaison as we work together on project basis (LATC, LOD2) [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

16:48:03 <fadi> q+ to comment on reach out

Fadi Maali: q+ to comment on reach out ←

16:48:20 <bhyland> @mhausenblas, thank you. This is really important.  Can you update the GLD WG on whatever frequency makes sense as we're really interested outreach to OKF.

Bernadette Hyland: @mhausenblas, thank you. This is really important. Can you update the GLD WG on whatever frequency makes sense as we're really interested outreach to OKF. ←

16:48:33 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Richard C acts as liaison point for OKF/CKAN

PROPOSED: Richard C acts as liaison point for OKF/CKAN ←

16:48:46 <bhyland> +1

Bernadette Hyland: +1 ←

16:48:46 <DeirdreLee> q+

Unknown DeirdreLee: q+ ←

16:48:57 <gatemezi> philA: if DCAT is not attractive to CKAN, there may be a problem somewheere

Phil Archer: if DCAT is not attractive to CKAN, there may be a problem somewheere ←

16:49:05 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

16:49:14 <PhilA> ack mhausenblas

Phil Archer: ack mhausenblas ←

16:49:14 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to comment on the process

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to comment on the process ←

16:49:15 <HadleyBeeman> Happy to help, Cygri, if you need someone to chat to them on the ground in London.

Hadley Beeman: Happy to help, Cygri, if you need someone to chat to them on the ground in London. ←

16:49:23 <HadleyBeeman> (though it sounds like you have it all in hand)

Hadley Beeman: (though it sounds like you have it all in hand) ←

16:49:32 <Zakim> +sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro ←

16:49:34 <PhilA> thanks HadleyBeeman - prob take you up on that

Phil Archer: thanks HadleyBeeman - prob take you up on that ←

16:49:37 <olyerickson> CKAN "funny" use of DCAT doesn't mean DCAT is 'wrong' any more than RPI use of DCAT means it's right ;)

John Erickson: CKAN "funny" use of DCAT doesn't mean DCAT is 'wrong' any more than RPI use of DCAT means it's right ;) ←

16:49:43 <Mike_Pendleton> mhausenblas: goal to get out working draft; define processes

Michael Hausenblas: goal to get out working draft; define processes [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

16:49:50 <cygri> HadleyBeeman, it will be good if they hear about dcat from multiple directions�

Richard Cyganiak: HadleyBeeman, it will be good if they hear about dcat from multiple directions� ←

16:50:07 <bhyland> +1 mhausenblas

Bernadette Hyland: +1 mhausenblas ←

16:50:30 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Richard C acts as liaison point for OKF/CKAN regarding DCAT

PROPOSED: Richard C acts as liaison point for OKF/CKAN regarding DCAT ←

16:50:33 <bhyland> +1

Bernadette Hyland: +1 ←

16:50:42 <stasinos> +1

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: +1 ←

16:50:45 <gatemezi> mhausenblas: propose cygri  to be the liaison to CKAN

Michael Hausenblas: propose cygri to be the liaison to CKAN ←

16:50:46 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1

Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←

16:50:47 <boris> +1

Boris Villazón-Terrazas: +1 ←

16:50:51 <olyerickson> +1 to mhausenblas proposal

John Erickson: +1 to mhausenblas proposal ←

16:51:01 <sandro> ( I don't think we need a WG resolution on this kind of thing.   :-)

Sandro Hawke: ( I don't think we need a WG resolution on this kind of thing. :-) ←

16:51:04 <BenediktKaempgen> +1

Benedikt Kaempgen: +1 ←

16:51:05 <HadleyBeeman> you're welcome :-D

Hadley Beeman: you're welcome :-D ←

16:51:09 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1 ←

16:51:14 <Mike_Pendleton> Hadley will support Richard

Michael Pendleton: Hadley will support Richard ←

16:51:15 <bhyland> Noted: Hadley also in a good position to liaise with OKF re: DCAT

Scribe problem: the name 'Noted' does not match any of the 59 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Dean Allemang Martín Álvarez Phil Archer Yigal Arens Ghislain Atemezing Hadley Beeman Luis Bermudez William Brafford Lyle Burgoon Sarven Capadisli Cory Casanave Richard Cyganiak John Erickson Maria Fernandez Ruiz Yosuke Funahashi Tina Gheen Dan Gillman Asunción Gómez Pérez John Goodwin Jorge Gracia Jonathan Gray Christophe Gueret David Hau Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Bernadette Hyland Benedikt Kaempgen Martin Kaltenböck Stasinos Konstantopoulos Fadi Maali Bede McCall Daniel Mekonnen Elena Montiel Ponsoda Aitor Moreno Chris Musialek Tope Omitola Michael Pendleton Irene Polikoff David Price Ronald Reck Dave Reynolds John Sheridan David Smith John Speakman Biplav Srivastava Gerald Steeman George Thomas Raphaël Troncy Bart van Leeuwen Daniel Vila Boris Villazón-Terrazas Eric VonColln Simon Wall Anne Washington Zachary Whitley Mohamed ZERGAOUI Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Noted: Hadley also in a good position to liaise with OKF re: DCAT [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

16:51:33 <olyerickson> Do we need a proposal w.r.t. specific work on issues?

John Erickson: Do we need a proposal w.r.t. specific work on issues? ←

16:51:47 <PhilA> q?

Phil Archer: q? ←

16:51:47 <olyerickson> q?

John Erickson: q? ←

16:51:52 <PhilA> ack fadi

Phil Archer: ack fadi ←

16:51:52 <Zakim> fadi, you wanted to comment on reach out

Zakim IRC Bot: fadi, you wanted to comment on reach out ←

16:52:09 <mhausenblas> RESOLUTION: Richard C acts as liaison point for OKF/CKAN regarding DCAT

RESOLVED: Richard C acts as liaison point for OKF/CKAN regarding DCAT ←

16:52:22 <gatemezi> fadi: CKAN uses DCAT in two services

Fadi Maali: CKAN uses DCAT in two services ←

16:53:04 <olyerickson> ... need a proper and clear statement of DCAT

John Erickson: ... need a proper and clear statement of DCAT ←

16:53:06 <PhilA> ack DeirdreLee

Phil Archer: ack DeirdreLee ←

16:53:41 <olyerickson> Repeat the question?

John Erickson: Repeat the question? ←

16:53:45 <PhilA> q?

Phil Archer: q? ←

16:54:04 <Mike_Pendleton> George: Next step questions posed - do we want to work on them?

George Thomas: Next step questions posed - do we want to work on them? [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

16:54:11 <gatemezi> george: do we discuss the next steps now?

George Thomas: do we discuss the next steps now? ←

16:54:27 <PhilA> The question was about non-CKAN usage of DCAT and what we could learn from that. Fadi noted that a number of Spanish catalogues use DCAT but all do it differently

Phil Archer: The question was about non-CKAN usage of DCAT and what we could learn from that. Fadi noted that a number of Spanish catalogues use DCAT but all do it differently ←

16:55:13 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Use_Cases_and_Requirements

Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Use_Cases_and_Requirements ←

16:55:28 <gatemezi> cygri: For the requirements, they have text for that, it is just to pass them to WG

Richard Cyganiak: For the requirements, they have text for that, it is just to pass them to WG ←

16:55:36 <mhausenblas> +1 to turn the UC into a WG Note, that is  non-REC-Track

Michael Hausenblas: +1 to turn the UC into a WG Note, that is non-REC-Track ←

16:56:12 <fadi> +1 to mhausenblas

Fadi Maali: +1 to mhausenblas ←

16:56:15 <olyerickson> Wondering specifically what spanish catalogs Fadi is referring to. We haven't seen (much if any) dcat use in the wild

John Erickson: Wondering specifically what spanish catalogs Fadi is referring to. We haven't seen (much if any) dcat use in the wild ←

16:56:18 <PhilA> cygri: Arguing that publishing the UCs as a draft WG Note helps to attract more review and interest

Richard Cyganiak: Arguing that publishing the UCs as a draft WG Note helps to attract more review and interest [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

16:56:27 <olyerickson> ...is fadi referring to CTIC?

John Erickson: ...is fadi referring to CTIC? ←

16:56:35 <Mike_Pendleton> Bernadette: Process for note?

Bernadette Hyland: Process for note? [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

16:56:52 <bhyland> W3C process for Working Note vs just having a more mutable wiki page.

Bernadette Hyland: W3C process for Working Note vs just having a more mutable wiki page. ←

16:57:06 <fadi> olyerickson: catalonia http://www20.gencat.cat/portal/site/dadesobertes

John Erickson: catalonia http://www20.gencat.cat/portal/site/dadesobertes [ Scribe Assist by Fadi Maali ] ←

16:57:12 <mhausenblas> q+ to talk about WG Notes

Michael Hausenblas: q+ to talk about WG Notes ←

16:57:17 <gatemezi> philA: need a resolution for DCAT use case..

Phil Archer: need a resolution for DCAT use case.. ←

16:57:47 <cygri> olyerickson - catalonia, barcelona, gijon and balearic islands use it in their local catalogs

Richard Cyganiak: olyerickson - catalonia, barcelona, gijon and balearic islands use it in their local catalogs ←

16:58:13 <bhyland> Per PhilA, it is a shorter process than Recommendation.  Circulate email to TLR, chairs with intension to publish Working Notes with some descriptive context as to why we're we doing this.

Bernadette Hyland: Per PhilA, it is a shorter process than Recommendation. Circulate email to TLR, chairs with intension to publish Working Notes with some descriptive context as to why we're we doing this. ←

16:59:01 <bhyland> ... Working Notes that supports Recommendation and carries slightly more heft than the wiki page.

Bernadette Hyland: ... Working Notes that supports Recommendation and carries slightly more heft than the wiki page. ←

16:59:14 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer? ←

16:59:14 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2012/01/26-gld-irc#T16-59-14

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2012/01/26-gld-irc#T16-59-14 ←

16:59:56 <mhausenblas> Michael: http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#q75

Michael Hausenblas: http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#q75 [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

17:01:33 <sandro> to me "resolution" == "decision" == "written record of an agreement"

Sandro Hawke: to me "resolution" == "decision" == "written record of an agreement" ←

17:01:48 <bhyland> +1 @sandro

Bernadette Hyland: +1 @sandro ←

17:01:57 <olyerickson> -1 to tracker issues now

John Erickson: -1 to tracker issues now ←

17:02:08 <sandro> trackbot, how the heck are you?

Sandro Hawke: trackbot, how the heck are you? ←

17:02:21 <PhilA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: That the DCAT Use Cases be formatted as a draft WG Note and that the chairs seek permission to publish at /TR/dcat-use-cases

Phil Archer: PROPOSED RESOLUTION: That the DCAT Use Cases be formatted as a draft WG Note and that the chairs seek permission to publish at /TR/dcat-use-cases ←

17:02:59 <gatemezi> @philA: thanks!

@philA: thanks! ←

17:03:02 <olyerickson> +1 to The DCAT Group having separate call to thrash through, preceded by email discussion

John Erickson: +1 to The DCAT Group having separate call to thrash through, preceded by email discussion ←

17:03:14 <DanG> I think there needs to be a general discussion before some group goes off by itself to look at an issue

Dan Gillman: I think there needs to be a general discussion before some group goes off by itself to look at an issue ←

17:03:15 <Mike_Pendleton> How do we want to address tracker issues?  Can we use thursday call or separate call

Michael Pendleton: How do we want to address tracker issues? Can we use thursday call or separate call ←

17:03:16 <olyerickson> q+

John Erickson: q+ ←

17:03:19 <olyerickson> q?

John Erickson: q? ←

17:03:20 <fadi> +1 to separate call

Fadi Maali: +1 to separate call ←

17:03:28 <trackbot> Sorry, sandro, I don't understand 'trackbot, how the heck are you?'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, sandro, I don't understand 'trackbot, how the heck are you?'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help ←

17:03:30 <stasinos> +1 to mostly emails, with separate call at the end

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: +1 to mostly emails, with separate call at the end ←

17:03:43 <olyerickson> +1 to The DCAT Group reporting back to larger group

John Erickson: +1 to The DCAT Group reporting back to larger group ←

17:03:56 <PhilA> q+ to make a proposal regarding what we talk about today cf. other occasions

Phil Archer: q+ to make a proposal regarding what we talk about today cf. other occasions ←

17:03:59 <mhausenblas> ack me

Michael Hausenblas: ack me ←

17:03:59 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to talk about WG Notes

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to talk about WG Notes ←

17:04:02 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to more content on the weekly calls.

Hadley Beeman: +1 to more content on the weekly calls. ←

17:04:28 <Mike_Pendleton> Bernadette recommends working on specific issues on our regular weekly calls

Michael Pendleton: Bernadette recommends working on specific issues on our regular weekly calls ←

17:04:32 <olyerickson> q?

John Erickson: q? ←

17:05:07 <gatemezi> bhyland: should there be a specific telecon for DCAT group?

Bernadette Hyland: should there be a specific telecon for DCAT group? ←

17:05:16 <olyerickson> ack me

John Erickson: ack me ←

17:05:25 <olyerickson> q?

John Erickson: q? ←

17:05:28 <olyerickson> q+

John Erickson: q+ ←

17:05:35 <mhausenblas> ack olyerickson

Michael Hausenblas: ack olyerickson ←

17:05:40 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me ←

17:05:40 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to make a proposal regarding what we talk about today cf. other occasions

Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, you wanted to make a proposal regarding what we talk about today cf. other occasions ←

17:05:44 <olyerickson> arrggghh

John Erickson: arrggghh ←

17:05:50 <gatemezi> Zakim, who is here?

Zakim, who is here? ←

17:05:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see stasinos, HadleyBeeman, sandro, galway, olyerickson, Washington, [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see stasinos, HadleyBeeman, sandro, galway, olyerickson, Washington, [IPcaller] ←

17:05:53 <Zakim> galway has galway, fadi, PhilA, dvilasuero, cygri, mhausenblas, GofranShukair, BartvanLeeuwen, csarven, BenediktKaempgen, gatemezin, boris, spyroskotoulas, DeirdreLee

Zakim IRC Bot: galway has galway, fadi, PhilA, dvilasuero, cygri, mhausenblas, GofranShukair, BartvanLeeuwen, csarven, BenediktKaempgen, gatemezin, boris, spyroskotoulas, DeirdreLee ←

17:05:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see annew, George, trackbot, Yigal, DanG, DeirdreLee, bhyland, Cory, gatemezi, Mike_Pendleton, boris, spyroskotoulas, olyerickson, MacTed, GofranShukair, danbri,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see annew, George, trackbot, Yigal, DanG, DeirdreLee, bhyland, Cory, gatemezi, Mike_Pendleton, boris, spyroskotoulas, olyerickson, MacTed, GofranShukair, danbri, ←

17:05:59 <Zakim> ... DaveReynolds, stasinos, GeraldSteeman, BenediktKaempgen, dvilasuero, mhausenblas, Zakim, fadi, RRSAgent, PhilA, cygri, csarven, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman, cgueret_work,

Zakim IRC Bot: ... DaveReynolds, stasinos, GeraldSteeman, BenediktKaempgen, dvilasuero, mhausenblas, Zakim, fadi, RRSAgent, PhilA, cygri, csarven, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman, cgueret_work, ←

17:06:00 <fadi> https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/raised

Fadi Maali: https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/raised ←

17:06:02 <Zakim> ... rreck, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... rreck, sandro ←

17:06:06 <bhyland> Cygri: If others think it is  a good use of our weekly telecons to dig deeper into DCAT to help streamline it moving forward, please indicate your interest.

Richard Cyganiak: If others think it is a good use of our weekly telecons to dig deeper into DCAT to help streamline it moving forward, please indicate your interest. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

17:06:12 <bhyland> +1 by bhyland

Bernadette Hyland: +1 by bhyland ←

17:06:48 <Mike_Pendleton> PhilA: looking at the well catalogued issues, some are detailed about individual properties, and thos should be handled among interested folks on a separate call; others are of broader interest

Phil Archer: looking at the well catalogued issues, some are detailed about individual properties, and thos should be handled among interested folks on a separate call; others are of broader interest [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

17:06:51 <mhausenblas> q+ to talk to fragmentation vs. efficiency

Michael Hausenblas: q+ to talk to fragmentation vs. efficiency ←

17:07:33 <olyerickson> phila: is referring to the "distribution" stuff

Phil Archer: is referring to the "distribution" stuff [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

17:07:40 <Mike_Pendleton> PhilA: mechanism for what is in a zip; like CKAN has

Phil Archer: mechanism for what is in a zip; like CKAN has [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

17:07:50 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

17:07:55 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q? ←

17:08:10 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q? ←

17:08:51 <bhyland> q+ Secret incantation to hop the queue ;-)

Bernadette Hyland: q+ Secret incantation to hop the queue ;-) ←

17:09:10 <sandro> q+ to suggest (re dates) we *not* merge data with comments on the data, in the same field

Sandro Hawke: q+ to suggest (re dates) we *not* merge data with comments on the data, in the same field ←

17:09:20 <annew> are boiled frogs legs necessary to jump the queue?

Anne Washington: are boiled frogs legs necessary to jump the queue? ←

17:09:46 <gatemezi> olyerickson: there are some issues to be talked by emails and after if necessary others in the regular call

John Erickson: there are some issues to be talked by emails and after if necessary others in the regular call ←

17:09:47 <Mike_Pendleton> olyerickson: if there are high level issues which should be discussed today or on reg. call; other low level issues on email/breakout call; leave it to chairs/rest of group

John Erickson: if there are high level issues which should be discussed today or on reg. call; other low level issues on email/breakout call; leave it to chairs/rest of group [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

17:09:48 <George> i think that's consistent with PhilA 's suggestion

George Thomas: i think that's consistent with PhilA 's suggestion ←

17:09:54 <mhausenblas> ack me

Michael Hausenblas: ack me ←

17:09:54 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to talk to fragmentation vs. efficiency

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to talk to fragmentation vs. efficiency ←

17:10:04 <gatemezi> @Mike_Pendleton: thanks

@Mike_Pendleton: thanks ←

17:10:40 <Mike_Pendleton> @ gatemezi: it takes a village

Michael Pendleton: @ gatemezi: it takes a village ←

17:10:52 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

17:10:57 <gatemezi> mhausenblas: how details of the discussion do we like ? Efficiency arises when the small group meets together

Michael Hausenblas: how details of the discussion do we like ? Efficiency arises when the small group meets together ←

17:11:46 <George> ack sandro

George Thomas: ack sandro ←

17:11:46 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to suggest (re dates) we *not* merge data with comments on the data, in the same field

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to suggest (re dates) we *not* merge data with comments on the data, in the same field ←

17:11:51 <Mike_Pendleton> Sandro: date question - approach of having typed value if known or string if you don't know the date

Sandro Hawke: date question - approach of having typed value if known or string if you don't know the date [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

17:12:09 <stasinos> q+

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: q+ ←

17:12:38 <csarven> IMO better to make it easier for the publisher than for tool builders (writing code around stuff)

Sarven Capadisli: IMO better to make it easier for the publisher than for tool builders (writing code around stuff) ←

17:12:43 <olyerickson> sandro is concerned about best way to handle "uncertainty" around dates

John Erickson: sandro is concerned about best way to handle "uncertainty" around dates ←

17:13:03 <Mike_Pendleton> Sandro: Handling uncertainty is dates - labeling and annotation

Sandro Hawke: Handling uncertainty is dates - labeling and annotation [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

17:13:07 <olyerickson> ...clear what to do when it's known e.g. xsd: date but what to do when NOT known

John Erickson: ...clear what to do when it's known e.g. xsd: date but what to do when NOT known ←

17:13:09 <gatemezi> sandro: is there any research going on in handling uncertainty?

Sandro Hawke: is there any research going on in handling uncertainty? ←

17:13:44 <gatemezi> philA: in half the time publishers don't type very well the data

Phil Archer: in half the time publishers don't type very well the data ←

17:13:49 <sandro> *nod* this is about whether the burden goes on the publisher or consumer....

Sandro Hawke: *nod* this is about whether the burden goes on the publisher or consumer.... ←

17:14:02 <cygri> Q+

Richard Cyganiak: Q+ ←

17:14:33 <Mike_Pendleton> PhilA: half the time data publishers use the wrong date type - better to use two versions

Phil Archer: half the time data publishers use the wrong date type - better to use two versions [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

17:14:46 <PhilA> ack stasinos

Phil Archer: ack stasinos ←

17:14:47 <Mike_Pendleton> George: Make it easier on the publisher

George Thomas: Make it easier on the publisher [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

17:15:09 <stasinos> http://placetime.com/

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: http://placetime.com/ ←

17:15:19 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

17:15:20 <olyerickson> +1 @george being TOO specific e.g. with dateTime or gYear tec can b a problem

John Erickson: +1 @george being TOO specific e.g. with dateTime or gYear tec can b a problem ←

17:15:28 <mhausenblas> Zakim, allow cygri 30s

Michael Hausenblas: Zakim, allow cygri 30s ←

17:15:28 <Zakim> I don't understand 'allow cygri 30s', mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'allow cygri 30s', mhausenblas ←

17:15:53 <mhausenblas> Zakim, allow cygri 30 s

Michael Hausenblas: Zakim, allow cygri 30 s ←

17:15:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'allow cygri 30 s', mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'allow cygri 30 s', mhausenblas ←

17:16:24 <mhausenblas> Zakim, allow cygri 30 sec

Michael Hausenblas: Zakim, allow cygri 30 sec ←

17:16:24 <Zakim> I don't understand 'allow cygri 30 sec', mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'allow cygri 30 sec', mhausenblas ←

17:16:32 <PhilA> ack cygri

Phil Archer: ack cygri ←

17:17:25 <gatemezi> cygri: if you have 2 properties, you have to write how to use them, no complexity in term of coding

Richard Cyganiak: if you have 2 properties, you have to write how to use them, no complexity in term of coding ←

17:17:26 <PhilA> q+ to suggest a third way that I don't like but recognise it's a possibility

Phil Archer: q+ to suggest a third way that I don't like but recognise it's a possibility ←

17:18:24 <gatemezi> cygri: DCAT takes existing metadata of data and expose them in RDF

Richard Cyganiak: DCAT takes existing metadata of data and expose them in RDF ←

17:18:26 <mhausenblas> allow 30 sec

Michael Hausenblas: allow 30 sec ←

17:18:43 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

17:18:45 <bhyland> cygri: Purpose of DCAT is to take existing databases of metadata and exposing them as RDF.  Anything that requires recoding of dates is COMPLETELY out of the question for cygri.

Richard Cyganiak: Purpose of DCAT is to take existing databases of metadata and exposing them as RDF. Anything that requires recoding of dates is COMPLETELY out of the question for cygri. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

17:19:04 <bhyland> ... quantfy uncertainty is too difficult.

Bernadette Hyland: ... quantify uncertainty is too difficult. ←

17:19:17 <gatemezi> s/quantfy/quantify

17:19:20 <olyerickson> +1 to cygri being persuasive ;)

John Erickson: +1 to cygri being persuasive ;) ←

17:19:29 <stasinos> q+

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: q+ ←

17:19:42 <bhyland> Sandro: Is persuaded by cygri's argument.

Sandro Hawke: Is persuaded by cygri's argument. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

17:20:04 <olyerickson> The use case of legacy dates MUST NOT be ignored

John Erickson: The use case of legacy dates MUST NOT be ignored ←

17:20:22 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me ←

17:20:22 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to suggest a third way that I don't like but recognise it's a possibility

Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, you wanted to suggest a third way that I don't like but recognise it's a possibility ←

17:20:32 <bhyland> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←

17:20:35 <olyerickson> q+

John Erickson: q+ ←

17:20:38 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

17:21:22 <bhyland> Discussed: Data accurary using XSD Date which is the most ubiquitous date format

Scribe problem: the name 'Discussed' does not match any of the 59 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Dean Allemang Martín Álvarez Phil Archer Yigal Arens Ghislain Atemezing Hadley Beeman Luis Bermudez William Brafford Lyle Burgoon Sarven Capadisli Cory Casanave Richard Cyganiak John Erickson Maria Fernandez Ruiz Yosuke Funahashi Tina Gheen Dan Gillman Asunción Gómez Pérez John Goodwin Jorge Gracia Jonathan Gray Christophe Gueret David Hau Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Bernadette Hyland Benedikt Kaempgen Martin Kaltenböck Stasinos Konstantopoulos Fadi Maali Bede McCall Daniel Mekonnen Elena Montiel Ponsoda Aitor Moreno Chris Musialek Tope Omitola Michael Pendleton Irene Polikoff David Price Ronald Reck Dave Reynolds John Sheridan David Smith John Speakman Biplav Srivastava Gerald Steeman George Thomas Raphaël Troncy Bart van Leeuwen Daniel Vila Boris Villazón-Terrazas Eric VonColln Simon Wall Anne Washington Zachary Whitley Mohamed ZERGAOUI Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Discussed: Data accuracy using XSD Date which is the most ubiquitous date format [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

17:21:43 <olyerickson> That's up to the consumer

John Erickson: That's up to the consumer ←

17:21:58 <gatemezi> s/accurary/accuracy

17:22:13 <olyerickson> bhyland: chair interrupt

Bernadette Hyland: chair interrupt [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

17:22:47 <Mike_Pendleton> Bernadette: Gov't orgs have to accept whatever; they accept data that sometimes they can't clean up.

Bernadette Hyland: Gov't orgs have to accept whatever; they accept data that sometimes they can't clean up. [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

17:23:00 <olyerickson> q?

John Erickson: q? ←

17:23:07 <cygri> (but: unclean data in - unclean data out)

Richard Cyganiak: (but: unclean data in - unclean data out) ←

17:23:30 <olyerickson> bhyland that's the point, we're talking about a string-bucket as a roll-over

John Erickson: bhyland that's the point, we're talking about a string-bucket as a roll-over ←

17:23:41 <bhyland> Discussion is about how do we handle and not fall over with systems give us ill-behaved/ill-formatted data.

Bernadette Hyland: Discussion is about how do we handle and not fall over with systems give us ill-behaved/ill-formatted data. ←

17:24:13 <bhyland> ... Is our recommendation 'leave it as a string' or data type it if we DO know it is a date.

Bernadette Hyland: ... Is our recommendation 'leave it as a string' or data type it if we DO know it is a date. ←

17:24:15 <olyerickson> +1 to xsd: date preferred, string literal otherwise

John Erickson: +1 to xsd: date preferred, string literal otherwise ←

17:24:21 <bhyland> +1

Bernadette Hyland: +1 ←

17:24:25 <George> +1

George Thomas: +1 ←

17:24:26 <boris> +1

Boris Villazón-Terrazas: +1 ←

17:24:26 <olyerickson> ;)

John Erickson: ;) ←

17:24:32 <PhilA> ack stasinos

Phil Archer: ack stasinos ←

17:24:34 <dvilasuero> +1

Daniel Vila: +1 ←

17:24:34 <olyerickson> q-

John Erickson: q- ←

17:24:36 <bhyland> ack me

Bernadette Hyland: ack me ←

17:24:41 <gatemezi> sandro: if you know the date, use xsd:data; if not use it as string

Sandro Hawke: if you know the date, use xsd:data; if not use it as string ←

17:24:45 <sandro> +1 (untll some folks come with a compelling rdfs:range use case)

Sandro Hawke: +1 (untll some folks come with a compelling rdfs:range use case) ←

17:25:42 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

17:26:18 <csarven> A literal doesn't necessarily imply anything more than what it really is (unless further context is give). The interpretation is up to the consumer. 2012-01-26 (would be on that day, or the whole day, and not necessarily on the midnight of that day).

Sarven Capadisli: A literal doesn't necessarily imply anything more than what it really is (unless further context is give). The interpretation is up to the consumer. 2012-01-26 (would be on that day, or the whole day, and not necessarily on the midnight of that day). ←

17:26:28 <mhausenblas> q+ to propose close queue

Michael Hausenblas: q+ to propose close queue ←

17:26:31 <gatemezi> stasinos: propose not to allow string

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: propose not to allow string ←

17:26:54 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

17:26:57 <bhyland> Stasinos recommends looking closely at PlaceTime.com - URIs for Places and Times.  PlaceTime.com is intended to be a URI space containing URIs that represent places and times.

Bernadette Hyland: Stasinos recommends looking closely at PlaceTime.com - URIs for Places and Times. PlaceTime.com is intended to be a URI space containing URIs that represent places and times. ←

17:27:05 <stasinos> stasinos proposed to not allow *unstructured* strings

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: stasinos proposed to not allow *unstructured* strings ←

17:27:13 <gatemezi> philA: it is difficult to ask providers to reformate their data

Phil Archer: it is difficult to ask providers to reformate their data ←

17:27:27 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

17:27:28 <olyerickson> q?

John Erickson: q? ←

17:27:37 <mhausenblas> ack me

Michael Hausenblas: ack me ←

17:27:37 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to propose close queue

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to propose close queue ←

17:28:28 <Mike_Pendleton> Mhausenblas: are there other things we want to cover?

Michael Hausenblas: are there other things we want to cover? [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

17:28:37 <gatemezi> mhausenblas: do we have another important issue to discuss?

Michael Hausenblas: do we have another important issue to discuss? ←

17:29:12 <olyerickson> +1 to shaken, not stirred

John Erickson: +1 to shaken, not stirred ←

17:29:23 <olyerickson> +1 to it being 5 O'Oclock Somewhere

John Erickson: +1 to it being 5 O'Oclock Somewhere ←

17:29:34 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←

17:29:43 <olyerickson> Zakim, what would Jimmy Buffett do?

John Erickson: Zakim, what would Jimmy Buffett do? ←

17:29:43 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, olyerickson.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, olyerickson. ←

17:29:57 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

17:30:33 <mhausenblas> q+ on usage advises on external vocabs

Michael Hausenblas: q+ on usage advises on external vocabs ←

17:30:40 <stasinos> q+

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: q+ ←

17:30:46 <DanG> q+

Dan Gillman: q+ ←

17:30:48 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

17:30:51 <cygri> q+ to mention third (OWL) option

Richard Cyganiak: q+ to mention third (OWL) option ←

17:30:53 <gatemezi> philA: how do we use DCterms issued?

Phil Archer: how do we use DCterms issued? ←

17:31:04 <boris> q+

Boris Villazón-Terrazas: q+ ←

17:31:16 <Mike_Pendleton> PhilA: Issue 2 :-)  In definition of DCAT, cube data, etc, we will be saying 'use this term' and this is how we want them to use it; is it right to make range statements about others terms?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-2 :-) In definition of DCAT, cube data, etc, we will be saying 'use this term' and this is how we want them to use it; is it right to make range statements about others terms? [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

17:31:20 <mhausenblas> Michael: I'd prefer a soft advise as we did in VoID such as in http://www.w3.org/TR/void/#dublin-core

Michael Hausenblas: I'd prefer a soft advise as we did in VoID such as in http://www.w3.org/TR/void/#dublin-core [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

17:31:53 <olyerickson> +1 to "anyone can say anything about anything" http://bit.ly/yZvdpk (RDF def'n)

John Erickson: +1 to "anyone can say anything about anything" http://bit.ly/yZvdpk (RDF def'n) ←

17:31:56 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

17:32:19 <BenediktKaempgen> +q

Benedikt Kaempgen: +q ←

17:32:24 <PhilA> ack mhausenblas

Phil Archer: ack mhausenblas ←

17:32:24 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to comment on usage advises on external vocabs

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to comment on usage advises on external vocabs ←

17:33:02 <PhilA> ack stasinos

Phil Archer: ack stasinos ←

17:33:07 <fadi> +1 mhausenblas

Fadi Maali: +1 mhausenblas ←

17:33:13 <BenediktKaempgen> q-

Benedikt Kaempgen: q- ←

17:33:16 <boris> +1 usage notes michael

Boris Villazón-Terrazas: +1 usage notes michael ←

17:34:29 <gatemezi> +1 to the AAA slogan

+1 to the AAA slogan ←

17:35:18 <gatemezi> @olyrickson: is not "anyone can say anything about any topic" ? :-)

@olyrickson: is not "anyone can say anything about any topic" ? :-) ←

17:35:32 <PhilA> ack DanG

Phil Archer: ack DanG ←

17:36:22 <olyerickson> @gatemezi I'd like to understand why not. The way it is being presented, it sounds like that to me; this is why I'd like some examples

John Erickson: @gatemezi I'd like to understand why not. The way it is being presented, it sounds like that to me; this is why I'd like some examples ←

17:36:23 <PhilA> olyerickson: There's a specific case cited in the issue http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/4

John Erickson: There's a specific case cited in the issue http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/4 [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

17:37:31 <PhilA> ack cygri

Phil Archer: ack cygri ←

17:37:31 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to mention third (OWL) option

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you wanted to mention third (OWL) option ←

17:37:33 <DeirdreLee> q+

Unknown DeirdreLee: q+ ←

17:37:40 <Mike_Pendleton> DanG: in standards community; conformity is the notion, not compliance, and extends to a technical spec.  For example, US Open Govt vocab working group; as long as vocab conforms to the spec., all is good; takes us out of the business of telling people what and how in particular circumstances

Dan Gillman: in standards community; conformity is the notion, not compliance, and extends to a technical spec. For example, US Open Govt vocab working group; as long as vocab conforms to the spec., all is good; takes us out of the business of telling people what and how in particular circumstances [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

17:38:02 <olyerickson> Thanks @PhilA, I think I get it. Problem being discussed is, cases where a 3rd party term is used but with an added restriction

John Erickson: Thanks @PhilA, I think I get it. Problem being discussed is, cases where a 3rd party term is used but with an added restriction ←

17:38:32 <gatemezi> @Mike_Pendleton: thanks!! it is sometimes difficult to scribe alone :-)

@Mike_Pendleton: thanks!! it is sometimes difficult to scribe alone :-) ←

17:38:53 <olyerickson> ...ie "we use foo: xyz BUT only with range xsd: fooBar "

John Erickson: ...ie "we use foo: xyz BUT only with range xsd: fooBar " ←

17:39:24 <boris> q-

Boris Villazón-Terrazas: q- ←

17:39:52 <DanG> I think my statement is consistent with what Richard is saying.

Dan Gillman: I think my statement is consistent with what Richard is saying. ←

17:40:28 <gatemezi> cygri: actually OWL is powerful to make explicit context about datasets, or DCAT

Richard Cyganiak: actually OWL is powerful to make explicit context about datasets, or DCAT ←

17:40:48 <PhilA> I like what cygri is saying about using OWL - that sounds like a solution to me (along with a textual note)

Phil Archer: I like what cygri is saying about using OWL - that sounds like a solution to me (along with a textual note) ←

17:41:01 <olyerickson> q?

John Erickson: q? ←

17:41:01 <stasinos> q

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: q ←

17:41:04 <stasinos> q+

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: q+ ←

17:41:08 <PhilA> ack DeirdreLee

Phil Archer: ack DeirdreLee ←

17:41:16 <stasinos> OWL might be overkill for this particular use case

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: OWL might be overkill for this particular use case ←

17:41:54 <gatemezi> DeirdreLee: saying in prose in open to interpretation, formalise it is better; agrees with cygri

Unknown DeirdreLee: saying in prose in open to interpretation, formalise it is better; agrees with cygri ←

17:41:57 <PhilA> q?

Phil Archer: q? ←

17:41:59 <Mike_Pendleton> deirdreLee: DCAT usage is open to interpretation

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Unknown deirdreLee: DCAT usage is open to interpretation [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

17:42:09 <PhilA> ack stasinos

Phil Archer: ack stasinos ←

17:42:31 <sandro> there's a difference between conflicts due to errors and conflicts due to people redefining other people's stuff

Sandro Hawke: there's a difference between conflicts due to errors and conflicts due to people redefining other people's stuff ←

17:42:44 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+ ←

17:43:16 <cygri> yes - defining a subproperty is always possible and avoids the problem

Richard Cyganiak: yes - defining a subproperty is always possible and avoids the problem ←

17:44:05 <gatemezi> +1 to defining a subproperty

+1 to defining a subproperty ←

17:44:10 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me ←

17:44:27 <stasinos> +1 to backward-chaining -1 to tableaux

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: +1 to backward-chaining -1 to tableaux ←

17:44:49 <cygri> yes - defining a subproperty means inventing a new property.

Richard Cyganiak: yes - defining a subproperty means inventing a new property. ←

17:45:53 <gatemezi> philA: Ok for the defining a subproperty; but problems come when using a reasoner using inferencing

Phil Archer: Ok for the defining a subproperty; but problems come when using a reasoner using inferencing ←

17:46:17 <gatemezi> philA: using owl is the wright thing

Phil Archer: using owl is the wright thing ←

17:46:22 <Mike_Pendleton> PhilA: stasinos idea is the most accurate solution; however Richard pointed out that most linked data systems don't involve reasoners, so it doesn't matter

Phil Archer: stasinos idea is the most accurate solution; however Richard pointed out that most linked data systems don't involve reasoners, so it doesn't matter [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

17:46:29 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

17:46:43 <olyerickson> Can someone please explain why dcat's use of dc dates is not an example?

John Erickson: Can someone please explain why dcat's use of dc dates is not an example? ←

17:46:48 <gatemezi> Zakim, who is here?

Zakim, who is here? ←

17:46:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see stasinos, HadleyBeeman, sandro, galway, olyerickson, Washington

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see stasinos, HadleyBeeman, sandro, galway, olyerickson, Washington ←

17:46:50 <Zakim> galway has galway, fadi, PhilA, dvilasuero, cygri, mhausenblas, GofranShukair, BartvanLeeuwen, csarven, BenediktKaempgen, gatemezin, boris, spyroskotoulas, DeirdreLee

Zakim IRC Bot: galway has galway, fadi, PhilA, dvilasuero, cygri, mhausenblas, GofranShukair, BartvanLeeuwen, csarven, BenediktKaempgen, gatemezin, boris, spyroskotoulas, DeirdreLee ←

17:46:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see trackbot, Mike_Pendleton, annew, George, Yigal, DanG, DeirdreLee, Cory, gatemezi, boris, spyroskotoulas, olyerickson, MacTed, GofranShukair, danbri, stasinos,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see trackbot, Mike_Pendleton, annew, George, Yigal, DanG, DeirdreLee, Cory, gatemezi, boris, spyroskotoulas, olyerickson, MacTed, GofranShukair, danbri, stasinos, ←

17:46:58 <Zakim> ... GeraldSteeman, BenediktKaempgen, dvilasuero, mhausenblas, Zakim, fadi, RRSAgent, PhilA, cygri, csarven, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman, cgueret_work, rreck, sandro

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17:46:58 <olyerickson> dc doesn't say anything about xsd: date

John Erickson: dc doesn't say anything about xsd: date ←

17:47:13 <olyerickson> q?

John Erickson: q? ←

17:48:05 <PhilA> Possible Ways forward: 1) define the sub domain and range as we see fit and don't care 2) only define domain and raneg in a usage note specific to DCAT etc, 3) define ranges in OWL

Phil Archer: Possible Ways forward: 1) define the sub domain and range as we see fit and don't care 2) only define domain and raneg in a usage note specific to DCAT etc, 3) define ranges in OWL ←

17:48:10 <gatemezi> @cygri: do we have a link of the slides?

@cygri: do we have a link of the slides? ←

17:48:22 <cygri> gatemezi, which slides?

Richard Cyganiak: gatemezi, which slides? ←

17:48:23 <BenediktKaempgen> slide 8: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/2/28/Dcat-gld-f2f2.pdf

Benedikt Kaempgen: slide 8: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/2/28/Dcat-gld-f2f2.pdf ←

17:48:32 <cygri> ah ok

Richard Cyganiak: ah ok ←

17:48:55 <gatemezi> @benediktKaempgen: thanks

@benediktKaempgen: thanks ←

17:49:13 <cygri> option 4) define subproperties and subclasses

Richard Cyganiak: option 4) define subproperties and subclasses ←

17:49:53 <gatemezi> +1 for option 4)

+1 for option 4) ←

17:50:12 <olyerickson> PhilA: By "Combination of 2 & 3" do you mean prose + RDFS, or RDFS + OWL, or???

Phil Archer: By "Combination of 2 & 3" do you mean prose + RDFS, or RDFS + OWL, or??? [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

17:50:37 <cygri> option 5) it depends.

Richard Cyganiak: option 5) it depends. ←

17:50:41 <PhilA> olyerickson: I mean use OWL and text, not RDFs

John Erickson: I mean use OWL and text, not RDFs [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

17:50:45 <csarven> 6) all of the above

Sarven Capadisli: 6) all of the above ←

17:50:53 <annew> Can we have a vote after we have a short break? and a clarification of the question

Anne Washington: Can we have a vote after we have a short break? and a clarification of the question ←

17:50:56 <stasinos> 7) do nothing

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: 7) do nothing ←

17:50:57 <olyerickson> PhilA ah okay

John Erickson: PhilA ah okay ←

17:50:57 <mhausenblas> 7) none of the above?

Michael Hausenblas: 7) none of the above? ←

17:51:11 <stasinos> 8) go for dinner

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: 8) go for beer ←

17:51:20 <olyerickson> me notes it's waaay after 5p in Galway ;)

John Erickson: me notes it's waaay after 5p in Galway ;) ←

17:51:21 <mhausenblas> s/dinner/beer

17:51:30 <mhausenblas> yeah, like 51min

Michael Hausenblas: yeah, like 51min ←

17:51:33 <annew> s/dinner/martini

17:51:53 <George> 1) define the sub domain and range as we see fit and don't care

George Thomas: 1) define the sub domain and range as we see fit and don't care ←

17:52:11 <cygri> -0.8

Richard Cyganiak: -0.8 ←

17:52:13 <BenediktKaempgen> -1

Benedikt Kaempgen: -1 ←

17:52:18 <mhausenblas> +0.2

Michael Hausenblas: +0.2 ←

17:52:19 <boris> -1

Boris Villazón-Terrazas: -1 ←

17:52:27 <Mike_Pendleton> rreck +1 1

Michael Pendleton: rreck +1 1 ←

17:52:29 <gatemezi> +0.3

+0.3 ←

17:52:30 <George> +.03

George Thomas: +.03 ←

17:52:30 <bhyland> abstain

Bernadette Hyland: abstain ←

17:52:38 <olyerickson> Who is "we" (I'm serioues)

John Erickson: Who is "we" (I'm serioues) ←

17:52:41 <stasinos> + 1E-1

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: + 1E-1 ←

17:52:45 <csarven> nil

Sarven Capadisli: nil ←

17:53:14 <annew> Anne will give promises of preservation and stability to whoever buys drinks

Anne Washington: Anne will give promises of preservation and stability to whoever buys drinks ←

17:53:18 <olyerickson> No we're not

John Erickson: No we're not ←

17:53:27 <olyerickson> Trying to understand who "we" is

John Erickson: Trying to understand who "we" is ←

17:53:34 <DanG> Will someone please write down a succinct atement of the question?

Dan Gillman: Will someone please write down a succinct statement of the question? ←

17:53:42 <annew> +1 dang

Anne Washington: +1 dang ←

17:53:45 <George> 2) only define domain and raneg in a usage note specific to DCAT etc

George Thomas: 2) only define domain and raneg in a usage note specific to DCAT etc ←

17:53:50 <fadi> +1

Fadi Maali: +1 ←

17:53:51 <DanG> s/atement/statement

17:54:01 <gatemezi> s/atement/statement

17:54:10 <cygri> s/atement/drinkment/

17:54:17 <Mike_Pendleton> abstain

Michael Pendleton: abstain ←

17:54:21 <stasinos> this was 3 before, wasnt it?

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: this was 3 before, wasnt it? ←

17:54:22 <cygri> +0.8

Richard Cyganiak: +0.8 ←

17:54:42 <PhilA> DanG: When publishing the machine readable version of a vocabulary, how should we indicate that in the context of that vocabulary, terms from other namespace should be used in a way that is more restrictive than is defined in the original definition

Dan Gillman: When publishing the machine readable version of a vocabulary, how should we indicate that in the context of that vocabulary, terms from other namespace should be used in a way that is more restrictive than is defined in the original definition [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

17:54:49 <stasinos> -1

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: -1 ←

17:54:52 <BenediktKaempgen> -1 (then we do not need to call it domain/range)

Benedikt Kaempgen: -1 (then we do not need to call it domain/range) ←

17:55:04 <DeirdreLee> -1

Unknown DeirdreLee: -1 ←

17:55:04 <gatemezi> 0.2

0.2 ←

17:55:10 <mhausenblas> +1

Michael Hausenblas: +1 ←

17:55:12 <csarven> +1

Sarven Capadisli: +1 ←

17:55:15 <George> 3) define ranges in OWL

George Thomas: 3) define ranges in OWL ←

17:55:19 <fadi> -1

Fadi Maali: -1 ←

17:55:22 <olyerickson> WHO IS "WE"????????

John Erickson: WHO IS "WE"???????? ←

17:55:24 <stasinos> +0.5

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: +0.5 ←

17:55:27 <DeirdreLee> +1

Unknown DeirdreLee: +1 ←

17:55:28 <csarven> --0

Sarven Capadisli: --0 ←

17:55:28 <gatemezi> -1

-1 ←

17:55:29 <GofranShukair> -1

Unknown GofranShukair: -1 ←

17:55:37 <cygri> +0.5

Richard Cyganiak: +0.5 ←

17:55:48 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

17:56:14 <mhausenblas> Michael: On a serious note -  can we delegate this to the DCAT TF - this doesn't make sense to me at all

Michael Hausenblas: On a serious note - can we delegate this to the DCAT TF - this doesn't make sense to me at all [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

17:57:02 <annew> </childishBehavior>

Anne Washington: </childishBehavior> ←

17:57:14 <gatemezi> philA: WE=vGLD group

Phil Archer: WE=GLD group ←

17:57:14 <olyerickson> Thanks! Sorry for exploding

John Erickson: Thanks! Sorry for exploding ←

17:57:17 <BenediktKaempgen> q+

Benedikt Kaempgen: q+ ←

17:57:21 <cygri> +1 mhausenblas. we've collected the options and heard some opinions and arguments, that's perhaps as good as we can do here.

Richard Cyganiak: +1 mhausenblas. we've collected the options and heard some opinions and arguments, that's perhaps as good as we can do here. ←

17:57:33 <gatemezi> s/vGLD/GLD

17:57:57 <stasinos> here comes (8) again: do nothing

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: here comes (8) again: do nothing ←

17:58:00 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to bhyland and mhausenblas

Hadley Beeman: +1 to bhyland and mhausenblas ←

17:58:19 <annew> +1 break

Anne Washington: +1 break ←

17:58:21 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

17:58:23 <olyerickson> Let's package it up as a proposal in email and thrash it there

John Erickson: Let's package it up as a proposal in email and thrash it there ←

17:58:28 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 for break

Bart van Leeuwen: +1 for break ←

17:58:35 <gatemezi> +1 break if we close the "debate"

+1 break if we close the "debate" ←

17:59:00 <BenediktKaempgen> q-

Benedikt Kaempgen: q- ←

17:59:01 <gatemezi> bhyland: break 10 minutes

Bernadette Hyland: break 10 minutes ←

17:59:02 <HadleyBeeman> okay.

Hadley Beeman: okay. ←

17:59:02 <Zakim> -galway

Scribe problem: the name 'galway' does not match any of the 59 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Dean Allemang Martín Álvarez Phil Archer Yigal Arens Ghislain Atemezing Hadley Beeman Luis Bermudez William Brafford Lyle Burgoon Sarven Capadisli Cory Casanave Richard Cyganiak John Erickson Maria Fernandez Ruiz Yosuke Funahashi Tina Gheen Dan Gillman Asunción Gómez Pérez John Goodwin Jorge Gracia Jonathan Gray Christophe Gueret David Hau Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Bernadette Hyland Benedikt Kaempgen Martin Kaltenböck Stasinos Konstantopoulos Fadi Maali Bede McCall Daniel Mekonnen Elena Montiel Ponsoda Aitor Moreno Chris Musialek Tope Omitola Michael Pendleton Irene Polikoff David Price Ronald Reck Dave Reynolds John Sheridan David Smith John Speakman Biplav Srivastava Gerald Steeman George Thomas Raphaël Troncy Bart van Leeuwen Daniel Vila Boris Villazón-Terrazas Eric VonColln Simon Wall Anne Washington Zachary Whitley Mohamed ZERGAOUI Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: -galway ←

17:59:04 <Zakim> -sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro ←

17:59:10 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←

17:59:20 <Zakim> -stasinos

Zakim IRC Bot: -stasinos ←

18:03:56 <olyerickson> wondering what galway is looking at (curious)

John Erickson: wondering what galway is looking at (curious) ←

18:06:41 <olyerickson> hey Galway, unmute

John Erickson: hey Galway, unmute ←

18:11:38 <mhausenblas> galway coming back

Michael Hausenblas: galway coming back ←

18:11:45 <Zakim> +galway

Zakim IRC Bot: +galway ←

18:12:14 <mhausenblas> q+ to update people about BP

Michael Hausenblas: q+ to update people about BP ←

18:12:20 <mhausenblas> q+ to suggest a timeline for FPWD 9 Feb and 23 Feb

Michael Hausenblas: q+ to suggest a timeline for FPWD 9 Feb and 23 Feb ←

18:12:36 <mhausenblas> Topic: Review of all outstanding Documents that the WG is updating

9. Review of all outstanding Documents that the WG is updating

18:13:35 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?

Michael Hausenblas: Zakim, who's here? ←

18:13:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see galway, olyerickson, Washington

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see galway, olyerickson, Washington ←

18:13:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see cygri, mhausenblas, csarven1, SimpsonTP_, bhyland, cmusialek, trackbot, Mike_Pendleton, George, DanG, DeirdreLee, Cory, boris, spyroskotoulas, olyerickson, MacTed,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see cygri, mhausenblas, csarven1, SimpsonTP_, bhyland, cmusialek, trackbot, Mike_Pendleton, George, DanG, DeirdreLee, Cory, boris, spyroskotoulas, olyerickson, MacTed, ←

18:13:41 <Zakim> ... GofranShukair, danbri, stasinos, GeraldSteeman, BenediktKaempgen, dvilasuero, Zakim, fadi, RRSAgent, PhilA, HadleyBeeman, cgueret_work, rreck, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... GofranShukair, danbri, stasinos, GeraldSteeman, BenediktKaempgen, dvilasuero, Zakim, fadi, RRSAgent, PhilA, HadleyBeeman, cgueret_work, rreck, sandro ←

18:14:05 <gatemezi> Zakim, who is here?

Zakim, who is here? ←

18:14:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see galway, olyerickson, Washington

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see galway, olyerickson, Washington ←

18:14:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see gatemezi, cygri, mhausenblas, csarven1, SimpsonTP_, bhyland, cmusialek, trackbot, Mike_Pendleton, George, DanG, DeirdreLee, Cory, boris, spyroskotoulas, olyerickson,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see gatemezi, cygri, mhausenblas, csarven1, SimpsonTP_, bhyland, cmusialek, trackbot, Mike_Pendleton, George, DanG, DeirdreLee, Cory, boris, spyroskotoulas, olyerickson, ←

18:14:11 <Zakim> ... MacTed, GofranShukair, danbri, stasinos, GeraldSteeman, BenediktKaempgen, dvilasuero, Zakim, fadi, RRSAgent, PhilA, HadleyBeeman, cgueret_work, rreck, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... MacTed, GofranShukair, danbri, stasinos, GeraldSteeman, BenediktKaempgen, dvilasuero, Zakim, fadi, RRSAgent, PhilA, HadleyBeeman, cgueret_work, rreck, sandro ←

18:15:01 <olyerickson> Zakim, who are the Cool Kids handing out on G+?

John Erickson: Zakim, who are the Cool Kids handing out on G+? ←

18:15:01 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, olyerickson.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, olyerickson. ←

18:15:40 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

18:15:43 <PhilA> scribe: fadi

(Scribe set to Fadi Maali)

18:16:16 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman ←

18:16:20 <fadi> bhyland: let's review outstanding documents we are updating

Bernadette Hyland: let's review outstanding documents we are updating ←

18:16:56 <Mike_Pendleton> Bernadette: How to keep momentum and make progress on a montly basis

Bernadette Hyland: How to keep momentum and make progress on a montly basis [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

18:17:05 <fadi> ... we need to keep the great momentum we have

... we need to keep the great momentum we have ←

18:17:43 <fadi> ... what's our strategy for the upcoming tele-calls?

... what's our strategy for the upcoming tele-calls? ←

18:18:09 <mhausenblas> Michael: Can we first agree on FPWD please? And then have the meta-discussion?

Michael Hausenblas: Can we first agree on FPWD please? And then have the meta-discussion? [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

18:18:33 <fadi> ... we already have consumers involved

... we already have consumers involved ←

18:18:56 <fadi> ... how to keep the moentum then, suggestions/comments?

... how to keep the momentum then, suggestions/comments? ←

18:19:10 <fadi> s/moentum/momentum/

18:19:12 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

18:19:15 <bhyland> Topic: FPWD Best Practices timing

10. FPWD Best Practices timing

18:19:23 <mhausenblas> ack me

Michael Hausenblas: ack me ←

18:19:23 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to update people about BP and to suggest a timeline for FPWD 9 Feb and 23 Feb

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to update people about BP and to suggest a timeline for FPWD 9 Feb and 23 Feb ←

18:19:43 <mhausenblas> See https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/bp/index.html

Michael Hausenblas: See https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/bp/index.html ←

18:19:58 <fadi> mhausenblas: we had a quick session in the moorninng updating an editor draft

Michael Hausenblas: we had a quick session in the moorninng updating an editor draft ←

18:19:59 <cygri> can one of the google plus kids invite me again?

Richard Cyganiak: can one of the google plus kids invite me again? ←

18:20:20 <fadi> ... feel free to raise issues and provide feedback

... feel free to raise issues and provide feedback ←

18:20:30 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: The GLD WG decides to publish BP, DCAT, QB and ORG as FPWD on the REC-Track by end of Feb 2012 with 9 Feb ready for WG review and final decision to be taken on 23 Feb.

PROPOSED: The GLD WG decides to publish BP, DCAT, QB and ORG as FPWD on the REC-Track by end of Feb 2012 with 9 Feb ready for WG review and final decision to be taken on 23 Feb. ←

18:21:14 <Zakim> +sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro ←

18:21:44 <fadi> PhilA: do we need the two weeks between 9 and 23?

Phil Archer: do we need the two weeks between 9 and 23? ←

18:22:26 <fadi> mhausenblas: probably yes... based on  experience, people need this time to review

Michael Hausenblas: probably yes... based on experience, people need this time to review ←

18:22:34 <fadi> ... talking about WG members

... talking about WG members ←

18:22:37 <bhyland> +1 to proposal timing and 1 week review cycle.  IF needed, we can extend, but better to put a fire under people's bum

Bernadette Hyland: +1 to proposal timing and 1 week review cycle. IF needed, we can extend, but better to put a fire under people's bum ←

18:23:12 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q? ←

18:23:36 <mhausenblas> Michael: I suggested 2 weeks review cycle, bhyland, just to clarify

Michael Hausenblas: I suggested 2 weeks review cycle, bhyland, just to clarify [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

18:23:53 <fadi> bhyland: we are all here, so we can make a decision

Bernadette Hyland: we are all here, so we can make a decision ←

18:24:30 <fadi> ... anyone has particular input to people here who are working on the best practice?

... anyone has particular input to people here who are working on the best practice? ←

18:24:45 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: The GLD WG decides to publish BP, DCAT, QB and ORG as FPWD on the REC-Track

PROPOSED: The GLD WG decides to publish BP, DCAT, QB and ORG as FPWD on the REC-Track ←

18:25:23 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←

18:25:26 <PhilA> q+ To just check we want the vocabs on the Rec Track

Phil Archer: q+ To just check we want the vocabs on the Rec Track ←

18:25:31 <fadi> mhausenblas: any other document should go the REC-track?

Michael Hausenblas: any other document should go the REC-track? ←

18:26:13 <fadi> bhyland: this looks a lot giving that some people expressed that they are busy currently

Bernadette Hyland: this looks a lot giving that some people expressed that they are busy currently ←

18:26:14 <olyerickson> bhyland yes DaveReynolds was either working QB or ORG

John Erickson: bhyland yes DaveReynolds was either working QB or ORG ←

18:26:17 <mhausenblas> ack cygri

Michael Hausenblas: ack cygri ←

18:26:54 <sandro> Yes -- it's okay to have placeholders for sections of the document.

Sandro Hawke: Yes -- it's okay to have placeholders for sections of the document. ←

18:26:55 <fadi> cygri: is it acceptable for the FWPD to have big gaps like entire section not written yet?

Richard Cyganiak: is it acceptable for the FWPD to have big gaps like entire section not written yet? ←

18:27:12 <fadi> mhausenblas: yes

Michael Hausenblas: yes ←

18:27:18 <bhyland> DaveReynolds is key person on ORG. What is being proposed is that 4 documents as FPWD.

Bernadette Hyland: DaveReynolds is key person on ORG. What is being proposed is that 4 documents as FPWD. ←

18:27:24 <sandro> the key thing to to give people an idea which way we are heading, and give them something interesting to review.

Sandro Hawke: the key thing to to give people an idea which way we are heading, and give them something interesting to review. ←

18:27:44 <fadi> cygri: standard vocabulary doesn't seem covered in the list

Richard Cyganiak: standard vocabulary doesn't seem covered in the list ←

18:28:27 <sandro> right, People Vocab is missing.

Sandro Hawke: right, People Vocab is missing. ←

18:28:28 <fadi> ... referring particularly to the "people"

... referring particularly to the "people" ←

18:28:37 <fadi> ... mentioned in the charter

... mentioned in the charter ←

18:29:09 <fadi> PhilA: as part of the core vocabulary work we are working on a "person" vocabulary

Phil Archer: as part of the core vocabulary work we are working on a "person" vocabulary ←

18:29:32 <fadi> ... there will be soon a version available in the public domain

... there will be soon a version available in the public domain ←

18:29:48 <fadi> ... this might be used as basis for representing people

... this might be used as basis for representing people ←

18:29:56 <fadi> ... not going with FWPD

... not going with FWPD ←

18:30:16 <fadi> ... but just pointing that we tackled the "people" representation topic

... but just pointing that we tackled the "people" representation topic ←

18:30:37 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: The GLD WG decides to publish BP, DCAT, QB and ORG as FPWD on the REC-Track, while people area will be addressed later (based on ISI draft)

PROPOSED: The GLD WG decides to publish BP, DCAT, QB and ORG as FPWD on the REC-Track, while people area will be addressed later (based on ISI draft) ←

18:31:19 <fadi> ... the ISA person vocabulary can be, when available, a candidate

... the ISA person vocabulary can be, when available, a candidate ←

18:31:25 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: The GLD WG decides to publish BP, DCAT, QB and ORG as FPWD on the REC-Track, while people area will be addressed later (based on ISA draft)

PROPOSED: The GLD WG decides to publish BP, DCAT, QB and ORG as FPWD on the REC-Track, while people area will be addressed later (based on ISA draft) ←

18:31:32 <bhyland> PhilA: Hoping that people in this WG would consider as a candidate for endorsement the ISA Person Core Vocbulary ..

Phil Archer: Hoping that people in this WG would consider as a candidate for endorsement the ISA Person Core Vocbulary .. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

18:31:34 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: The GLD WG decides to publish BP, DCAT, QB and ORG as FPWD on the REC-Track, while people area will be addressed later (based on ISA-core draft)

PROPOSED: The GLD WG decides to publish BP, DCAT, QB and ORG as FPWD on the REC-Track, while people area will be addressed later (based on ISA-core draft) ←

18:31:36 <fadi> ... for the WG to consider

... for the WG to consider ←

18:31:37 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me ←

18:31:37 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to just check we want the vocabs on the Rec Track

Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, you wanted to just check we want the vocabs on the Rec Track ←

18:32:17 <Mike_Pendleton> PhilA: to get to REC you have to prove it is being used correctly

Phil Archer: to get to REC you have to prove it is being used correctly [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

18:32:20 <bhyland> PhilA: Part of being a Recommendation, is a reference implementation to provide it is being used, and used correctly.

Phil Archer: Part of being a Recommendation, is a reference implementation to provide it is being used, and used correctly. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

18:32:22 <mhausenblas> q+

Michael Hausenblas: q+ ←

18:32:23 <fadi> PhilA: by publishing vocabulary on the REC-Track, it needs to be proved that the vocabulary is used

Phil Archer: by publishing vocabulary on the REC-Track, it needs to be proved that the vocabulary is used ←

18:32:33 <mhausenblas> ack me

Michael Hausenblas: ack me ←

18:32:38 <olyerickson> Link to ISA Core Person Vocabulary http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/core_person/description

John Erickson: Link to ISA Core Person Vocabulary http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/core_person/description ←

18:32:42 <cygri> q+ to say that the charter says the vocabs will go REC

Richard Cyganiak: q+ to say that the charter says the vocabs will go REC ←

18:32:44 <fadi> ... and is used in a correct manner... a note doesn't have this restriction

... and is used in a correct manner... a note doesn't have this restriction ←

18:32:53 <fadi> mhausenblas: with dcat for example we can prove it

Michael Hausenblas: with dcat for example we can prove it ←

18:32:57 <bhyland> mhausenblas: DCAT, Cube and ORG are all used and we can prove it.

Michael Hausenblas: DCAT, Cube and ORG are all used and we can prove it. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

18:33:02 <sandro> q+ on implementation reports

Sandro Hawke: q+ on implementation reports ←

18:33:03 <Mike_Pendleton> Proof comes from signature logs, etc

Michael Pendleton: Proof comes from signature logs, etc ←

18:33:09 <fadi> ... using mailing lists, Sindice log, answer.semantic.org

... using mailing lists, Sindice log, answer.semantic.org ←

18:33:21 <olyerickson> Link to all ISA Core Vocabularies (reference) https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/software/isa-cv/description

John Erickson: Link to all ISA Core Vocabularies (reference) https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/software/isa-cv/description ←

18:33:30 <fadi> PhilA: you need to prove that people use *all* of it

Phil Archer: you need to prove that people use *all* of it ←

18:33:31 <HadleyBeeman> This is sounding like a significant bit of research.

Hadley Beeman: This is sounding like a significant bit of research. ←

18:33:56 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

18:34:01 <bhyland> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←

18:34:07 <fadi> ... every element of the specification has been implemented more than once in a right manner

... every element of the specification has been implemented more than once in a right manner ←

18:34:28 <fadi> cygri: the charter said that the vocabularies will be on the REC-track

Richard Cyganiak: the charter said that the vocabularies will be on the REC-track ←

18:34:33 <mhausenblas> ack cygri

Michael Hausenblas: ack cygri ←

18:34:33 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to say that the charter says the vocabs will go REC

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you wanted to say that the charter says the vocabs will go REC ←

18:34:43 <fadi> ... looking at SKOS is helpful

... looking at SKOS is helpful ←

18:34:47 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

18:34:53 <sandro> q-

Sandro Hawke: q- ←

18:35:03 <mhausenblas> ack bhyland

Michael Hausenblas: ack bhyland ←

18:35:19 <Mike_Pendleton> bhyland: We are not in  the business of writing vocabs; we do checklists and specify what is used

Bernadette Hyland: We are not in the business of writing vocabs; we do checklists and specify what is used [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

18:35:33 <mhausenblas> Michael: I disagree. We do do vocabs

Michael Hausenblas: I disagree. We do do vocabs [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

18:35:44 <mhausenblas> ... see sec 2.3

Michael Hausenblas: ... see sec 2.3 ←

18:35:47 <fadi> bhyland: with BP, the focus is on providing checklist help people choose vocabularies, etc...

Bernadette Hyland: with BP, the focus is on providing checklist help people choose vocabularies, etc... ←

18:36:01 <fadi> ... Core vocabularies sounds out of the charter

... Core vocabularies sounds out of the charter ←

18:36:01 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

18:36:20 <fadi> ... yesterday decision was not to give a particular recommendation on a vocabulary

... yesterday decision was not to give a particular recommendation on a vocabulary ←

18:36:41 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: The GLD WG decides to publish BP, DCAT, QB and ORG as FPWD on the REC-Track, while people area will be addressed later (based on ISA-core draft)

PROPOSED: The GLD WG decides to publish BP, DCAT, QB and ORG as FPWD on the REC-Track, while people area will be addressed later (based on ISA-core draft) ←

18:36:46 <fadi> ... except for items that are explicitly mentioned in the charter

... except for items that are explicitly mentioned in the charter ←

18:36:53 <fadi> ... which includes people

... which includes people ←

18:37:33 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: The GLD WG decides to publish BP, DCAT, QB and ORG as FPWD on the REC-Track, while people area will be addressed later

PROPOSED: The GLD WG decides to publish BP, DCAT, QB and ORG as FPWD on the REC-Track, while people area will be addressed later ←

18:37:41 <fadi> cygri: it is early to decide/vote on the ISA core draft as we are fully aware of it

Richard Cyganiak: it is early to decide/vote on the ISA core draft as we are fully aware of it ←

18:37:44 <bhyland> Cygri: couldn't be supportive of ISA Core Core vocab until we've had a chance to review it.

Richard Cyganiak: couldn't be supportive of ISA Core Core vocab until we've had a chance to review it. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

18:37:45 <cygri> +1

Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←

18:37:46 <George> + VCard?

George Thomas: + VCard? ←

18:37:47 <bhyland> +1 cygri

Bernadette Hyland: +1 cygri ←

18:38:05 <BenediktKaempgen> +1

Benedikt Kaempgen: +1 ←

18:38:07 <boris> +1

Boris Villazón-Terrazas: +1 ←

18:38:22 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1 ←

18:38:24 <SimpsonTP_> +1

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Unknown SimpsonTP_: +1 ←

18:38:26 <fadi> +1

+1 ←

18:38:32 <dvilasuero> +1

Daniel Vila: +1 ←

18:38:37 <gatemezi> + 1

Ghislain Atemezing: + 1 ←

18:38:48 <gatemezi> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←

18:38:49 <DanG> +1

Dan Gillman: +1 ←

18:38:54 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: The GLD WG decides to publish the first batch of FPWD by end of Feb 2012 with 9 Feb ready for WG review and final decision to be taken on 23 Feb.

PROPOSED: The GLD WG decides to publish the first batch of FPWD by end of Feb 2012 with 9 Feb ready for WG review and final decision to be taken on 23 Feb. ←

18:39:48 <fadi> mhausenblas: the proposal gives two weeks for the members to comment

Michael Hausenblas: the proposal gives two weeks for the members to comment ←

18:40:02 <mhausenblas> + where is my brain

Michael Hausenblas: + where is my brain ←

18:40:14 <fadi> PROPOSAL: The GLD WG decides to publish the first batch of FPWD by end of Feb 2012 with 9 Feb ready for WG review and final decision to be taken on 23 Feb.

PROPOSED: The GLD WG decides to publish the first batch of FPWD by end of Feb 2012 with 9 Feb ready for WG review and final decision to be taken on 23 Feb. ←

18:40:27 <SimpsonTP_> +1

Unknown SimpsonTP_: +1 ←

18:40:29 <rreck1> predictable

Ronald Reck: predictable ←

18:40:41 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1 ←

18:40:43 <boris> +1

Boris Villazón-Terrazas: +1 ←

18:40:45 <cygri> +1

Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←

18:40:45 <dvilasuero> +1

Daniel Vila: +1 ←

18:40:48 <fadi> +1

+1 ←

18:40:51 <Mike_Pendleton> +1

Michael Pendleton: +1 ←

18:41:07 <olyerickson> Well that was my question

John Erickson: Well that was my question ←

18:41:46 <mhausenblas> RESOLUTION: The GLD WG decides to publish BP, DCAT, QB and ORG as FPWD on the REC-Track, while people area will be addressed later

RESOLVED: The GLD WG decides to publish BP, DCAT, QB and ORG as FPWD on the REC-Track, while people area will be addressed later ←

18:41:57 <mhausenblas> RESOLUTION: The GLD WG decides to publish the first batch of FPWD by end of Feb 2012 with 9 Feb ready for WG review and final decision to be taken on 23 Feb.

RESOLVED: The GLD WG decides to publish the first batch of FPWD by end of Feb 2012 with 9 Feb ready for WG review and final decision to be taken on 23 Feb. ←

18:42:06 <fadi> PhilA: I will work on putting both dcat and ORG into respec

Phil Archer: I will work on putting both dcat and ORG into respec ←

18:42:25 <Mike_Pendleton> PhilA: it is a mechanical job

Phil Archer: it is a mechanical job [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

18:42:25 <olyerickson> I'm +1 to DCAT (I think very little other than what PhilA is talking about)

John Erickson: I'm +1 to DCAT (I think very little other than what PhilA is talking about) ←

18:43:01 <fadi> mhausenblas: the two weeks comment period gives us a back-up

Michael Hausenblas: the two weeks comment period gives us a back-up ←

18:43:05 <cygri> q+ to ask about volunteers for html churning

Richard Cyganiak: q+ to ask about volunteers for html churning ←

18:43:08 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

18:43:11 <olyerickson> I'm frankly unclear what additional work reqd for section changes to BP

John Erickson: I'm frankly unclear what additional work reqd for section changes to BP ←

18:43:12 <fadi> ... in case the deadline of Feb 9 is not met

... in case the deadline of Feb 9 is not met ←

18:44:24 <fadi> bhyland: a glossary is missed from the charter

Bernadette Hyland: a glossary is missed from the charter ←

18:44:37 <fadi> ... this should be section 1.10

... this should be section 1.10 ←

18:44:57 <mhausenblas> q+ on what is required for the BP

Michael Hausenblas: q+ on what is required for the BP ←

18:45:03 <fadi> olyerickson: re. provenance I started working on the respected section

John Erickson: re. provenance I started working on the respected section ←

18:45:21 <mhausenblas> Michael: I suggest to keep it simple for the FPWD - our charter doesn't require provenance

Michael Hausenblas: I suggest to keep it simple for the FPWD - our charter doesn't require provenance [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

18:45:25 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

18:45:29 <fadi> ... so far it is not clear what the requirements are

... so far it is not clear what the requirements are ←

18:45:59 <fadi> bhyland: I will work on the provenance section in the cook book

Bernadette Hyland: I will work on the provenance section in the cook book ←

18:46:18 <olyerickson> +1 to keeping what we have so far

John Erickson: +1 to keeping what we have so far ←

18:46:20 <fadi> mhausenblas: this doesn't look a requirement in the chapter

Michael Hausenblas: this doesn't look a requirement in the charter ←

18:46:26 <fadi> s/chapter/charter/

18:46:37 <mhausenblas> Michael: it isn't a requirement ;)

Michael Hausenblas: it isn't a requirement ;) [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

18:46:42 <fadi> mhausenblas: may be we'd better focus on the "must do" parts

Michael Hausenblas: may be we'd better focus on the "must do" parts ←

18:46:43 <olyerickson> bhyland that is NOT provenance

John Erickson: bhyland that is NOT provenance ←

18:46:52 <fadi> bhyland: I already have some contents ready

Bernadette Hyland: I already have some contents ready ←

18:47:24 <fadi> olyerickson: provenance need more discussion later

John Erickson: provenance need more discussion later ←

18:47:42 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

18:47:49 <cygri> ack me

Richard Cyganiak: ack me ←

18:47:49 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to ask about volunteers for html churning

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you wanted to ask about volunteers for html churning ←

18:47:50 <olyerickson> I'm more concerned about narrowing URI construction

John Erickson: I'm more concerned about narrowing URI construction ←

18:47:55 <mhausenblas> ack me

Michael Hausenblas: ack me ←

18:47:55 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to comment on what is required for the BP

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to comment on what is required for the BP ←

18:48:20 <mhausenblas> +1 to cygri

Michael Hausenblas: +1 to cygri ←

18:48:28 <dvilasuero> +1 to cygri

Daniel Vila: +1 to cygri ←

18:48:34 <fadi> cygri: it would be great if someone is willing to help with the editorial work

Richard Cyganiak: it would be great if someone is willing to help with the editorial work ←

18:50:09 <Zakim> + +1.703.201.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.703.201.aaaa ←

18:50:35 <George> q+ to talk about why VCard is getting no GLD love

George Thomas: q+ to talk about why VCard is getting no GLD love ←

18:50:46 <Mike_Pendleton> Bernadette: Any issues yet to be raised?

Bernadette Hyland: Any issues yet to be raised? [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

18:50:51 <t_gheen> Zakim, aaaa is me

Tina Gheen: Zakim, aaaa is me ←

18:50:51 <Zakim> +t_gheen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +t_gheen; got it ←

18:50:55 <rreck_again> +q validation

Scribe problem: the name 'rreck_again' does not match any of the 59 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Dean Allemang Martín Álvarez Phil Archer Yigal Arens Ghislain Atemezing Hadley Beeman Luis Bermudez William Brafford Lyle Burgoon Sarven Capadisli Cory Casanave Richard Cyganiak John Erickson Maria Fernandez Ruiz Yosuke Funahashi Tina Gheen Dan Gillman Asunción Gómez Pérez John Goodwin Jorge Gracia Jonathan Gray Christophe Gueret David Hau Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Bernadette Hyland Benedikt Kaempgen Martin Kaltenböck Stasinos Konstantopoulos Fadi Maali Bede McCall Daniel Mekonnen Elena Montiel Ponsoda Aitor Moreno Chris Musialek Tope Omitola Michael Pendleton Irene Polikoff David Price Ronald Reck Dave Reynolds John Sheridan David Smith John Speakman Biplav Srivastava Gerald Steeman George Thomas Raphaël Troncy Bart van Leeuwen Daniel Vila Boris Villazón-Terrazas Eric VonColln Simon Wall Anne Washington Zachary Whitley Mohamed ZERGAOUI Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown rreck_again: +q validation ←

18:51:21 <fadi> mhausenblas: shall we have a meta-discussion? re. organizing, time management, etc.

Michael Hausenblas: shall we have a meta-discussion? re. organizing, time management, etc. ←

18:51:22 <rreck_again> oops imean the topic

Unknown rreck_again: oops imean the topic ←

18:51:30 <mhausenblas> q+ to talk about the non-Editor's role in the process

Michael Hausenblas: q+ to talk about the non-Editor's role in the process ←

18:51:47 <fadi> bhyland: now that we have the deadline set to Feb 9, we've got the motivation/target to work for

Bernadette Hyland: now that we have the deadline set to Feb 9, we've got the motivation/target to work for ←

18:52:02 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

18:52:14 <mhausenblas> q- validation

Michael Hausenblas: q- validation ←

18:52:25 <cygri> +1 to bernadette

Richard Cyganiak: +1 to bernadette ←

18:52:35 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

18:52:38 <PhilA> q+ to talk about future events that might provide opportunity for f2f meetings

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about future events that might provide opportunity for f2f meetings ←

18:52:41 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to bernadette and mhausenblas's points on big bang publishing approach

Hadley Beeman: +1 to bernadette and mhausenblas's points on big bang publishing approach ←

18:52:50 <mhausenblas> ack George

Michael Hausenblas: ack George ←

18:52:50 <Zakim> George, you wanted to talk about why VCard is getting no GLD love

Zakim IRC Bot: George, you wanted to talk about why VCard is getting no GLD love ←

18:52:51 <PhilA> ack George

Phil Archer: ack George ←

18:53:09 <Mike_Pendleton> George: Pulse check on VCARD

George Thomas: Pulse check on VCARD [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

18:53:17 <fadi> George: what people think of vcard?

George Thomas: what people think of vcard? ←

18:53:30 <Mike_Pendleton> George: ORG seems to work with it pretty well

George Thomas: ORG seems to work with it pretty well [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

18:53:36 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

18:53:39 <mhausenblas> ack me

Michael Hausenblas: ack me ←

18:53:39 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to talk about the non-Editor's role in the process

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to talk about the non-Editor's role in the process ←

18:53:41 <fadi> ... I'm curious to know about people's opinion about using it for represnting people

... I'm curious to know about people's opinion about using it for representing people ←

18:54:05 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q? ←

18:54:08 <rreck_again> +q

Unknown rreck_again: +q ←

18:54:13 <Mike_Pendleton> mhausenblas: need folks to review

Michael Hausenblas: need folks to review [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

18:54:13 <fadi> mhausenblas: people who are not editors would help in reviewing the drafts

Michael Hausenblas: people who are not editors would help in reviewing the drafts ←

18:54:13 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+ ←

18:54:20 <PhilA> q-

Phil Archer: q- ←

18:54:23 <fadi> ... they have an equivalent important role

... they have an equivalent important role ←

18:54:30 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/TR/vcard-rdf/

Michael Hausenblas: http://www.w3.org/TR/vcard-rdf/ ←

18:54:34 <gatemezi> s/represnting/representing

18:54:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←

18:54:55 <fadi> ... re VCard

... re VCard ←

18:55:07 <fadi> ... there are a lot of options currently

... there are a lot of options currently ←

18:55:10 <stasinos> Zakim, [IPcaller] is stasinos

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: Zakim, [IPcaller] is stasinos ←

18:55:10 <Zakim> +stasinos; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +stasinos; got it ←

18:55:23 <fadi> ... FOAF, VCard, the ISA vocab, etc.

... FOAF, VCard, the ISA vocab, etc. ←

18:55:32 <fadi> ... further research is needed to decide

... further research is needed to decide ←

18:55:41 <bhyland> mhausenblas: vCard needs a bit of research before we give de facto blessing ... if it is vCard, ok, but it deserves review in light of alternatives.

Michael Hausenblas: vCard needs a bit of research before we give de facto blessing ... if it is vCard, ok, but it deserves review in light of alternatives. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

18:55:49 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q? ←

18:56:13 <fadi> PhilA: my opinion is that VCard looks very American-specific

Phil Archer: my opinion is that VCard looks very American-specific ←

18:56:14 <olyerickson> Is this a vcard vs ISA Person discussion?

John Erickson: Is this a vcard vs ISA Person discussion? ←

18:56:14 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to philA: vCard is difficult when you're in the UK (or outside the USA)

Hadley Beeman: +1 to philA: vCard is awkward when you're in the UK (or outside the USA) ←

18:56:32 <fadi> ... but it is hard to define a vocabulary that fit everybody

... but it is hard to define a vocabulary that fit everybody ←

18:56:33 <Mike_Pendleton> PhilA: vCard format is alien to many (except Americans)

Phil Archer: vCard format is alien to many (except Americans) [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

18:56:33 <HadleyBeeman> s/difficult/awkward

18:56:50 <olyerickson> HadleyBeeman what does the 'rest of the world" use?

John Erickson: HadleyBeeman what does the 'rest of the world" use? ←

18:57:01 <Mike_Pendleton> PhilA: No one format will work for everyone

Phil Archer: No one format will work for everyone [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

18:57:16 <bhyland> I'm Amercan and find vCard overly simplified.

Bernadette Hyland: I'm Amercan and find vCard overly simplified. ←

18:57:28 <HadleyBeeman> olyerickson we've been talking about that this week at LinkedGov.  We're shoe-horning stuff into vCard— but it is awkward.  And hard to explain to non-techie users.

Hadley Beeman: olyerickson we've been talking about that this week at LinkedGov. We're shoe-horning stuff into vCard— but it is awkward. And hard to explain to non-techie users. ←

18:57:37 <Mike_Pendleton> George: thought it was an easy win; this is the pulse check we are looking for

George Thomas: thought it was an easy win; this is the pulse check we are looking for [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

18:57:54 <olyerickson> HadleyBeeman has e.g. hcard come up?

John Erickson: HadleyBeeman has e.g. hcard come up? ←

18:58:12 <mhausenblas> Michael: In fact, as I 've been doing some work already in this area I'd volunteer to contribute to the  'people area' once we have the FPWD of BP out of the door

Michael Hausenblas: In fact, as I 've been doing some work already in this area I'd volunteer to contribute to the 'people area' once we have the FPWD of BP out of the door [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

18:58:29 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

18:58:40 <bhyland> 1?

Bernadette Hyland: 1? ←

18:58:40 <fadi> PhilA: VCard  is still one of the best available options

Phil Archer: VCard is still one of the best available options ←

18:58:47 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q? ←

18:58:48 <mhausenblas> ack rreck_again

Michael Hausenblas: ack rreck_again ←

18:58:53 <csarven> +1 to PhilA: implementation > convenience

Sarven Capadisli: +1 to PhilA: implementation > convenience ←

18:58:57 <HadleyBeeman> olyerickson: yeah, it has. (I can't remember right now what the problem was there, to be honest)  I think we'll end up using vCard but relabelling the fields for UK-based users (for input only).

John Erickson: yeah, it has. (I can't remember right now what the problem was there, to be honest) I think we'll end up using vCard but relabelling the fields for UK-based users (for input only). [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←

18:59:01 <mhausenblas> q+ to talk about people vocab contribution

Michael Hausenblas: q+ to talk about people vocab contribution ←

18:59:25 <fadi> rreck_again: valid RDF is important and woth being added to the check list

Unknown rreck_again: valid RDF is important and woth being added to the check list ←

18:59:38 <cygri> q+ to answer on validation and bnodes

Richard Cyganiak: q+ to answer on validation and bnodes ←

18:59:44 <PhilA> s/VCard is still one of the best available options/VCard is still one of the most readily available options and is no worse than any of the others/

Phil Archer: s/VCard is still one of the best available options/VCard is still one of the most readily available options and is no worse than any of the others/ (warning: replacement failed) ←

18:59:46 <olyerickson> HadleyBeeman  hCard discussed here http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard could be lack of official status

John Erickson: HadleyBeeman hCard discussed here http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard could be lack of official status ←

18:59:48 <fadi> ... re. blank nodes

... re. blank nodes ←

18:59:53 <Mike_Pendleton> rreck: two topics: 1. When I get RDF, it doesn't always validate against 'X'; 2. Anonymous nodes - tell govt's not to use B nodes

Ronald Reck: two topics: 1. When I get RDF, it doesn't always validate against 'X'; 2. Anonymous nodes - tell govt's not to use B nodes [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

19:00:05 <fadi> ... I'd suggest to governments not using it

... I'd suggest to governments not using it ←

19:00:13 <stasinos> I like bnodes when they are right for what I am doing!

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: I like bnodes when they are right for what I am doing! ←

19:00:20 <sandro> genid uris

Sandro Hawke: genid uris ←

19:00:22 <fadi> bhyland: more suitable point for the RDF WG

Bernadette Hyland: more suitable point for the RDF WG ←

19:00:33 <Mike_Pendleton> ... suggest replacing B nodes with URIs

Michael Pendleton: ... suggest replacing B nodes with URIs ←

19:00:38 <bhyland> cygri: Commented on decissions / discussions within RDF WG for RDF 1.1

Richard Cyganiak: Commented on decissions / discussions within RDF WG for RDF 1.1 [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

19:00:44 <cygri> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html#section-skolemization

Richard Cyganiak: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html#section-skolemization ←

19:00:55 <olyerickson> Who is talking?

John Erickson: Who is talking? ←

19:01:05 <fadi> cygri: in RDF WG we have a note on how to replace blank nodes with identified ones

Richard Cyganiak: in RDF WG we have a note on how to replace blank nodes with identified ones ←

19:01:07 <csarven> Avoid where possible.

Sarven Capadisli: Avoid where possible. ←

19:01:18 <sandro> @ olyerickson it was rreck

Sandro Hawke: @ olyerickson it was rreck ←

19:01:27 <olyerickson> @sandro thanks

John Erickson: @sandro thanks ←

19:01:28 <HadleyBeeman> olyerickson: I'm quite familiar with microformats. :)  It may well be that the Google Refine code we're using to import data defaults to vCard? (We're still building a proof-of-concept; that stuff will be refined as we go)

John Erickson: I'm quite familiar with microformats. :) It may well be that the Google Refine code we're using to import data defaults to vCard? (We're still building a proof-of-concept; that stuff will be refined as we go) [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←

19:01:33 <fadi> ... looks like blank nodes are not "liked" in general

... looks like blank nodes are not "liked" in general ←

19:01:50 <fadi> cygri: re. validation there is one available from the W3C

Richard Cyganiak: re. validation there is one available from the W3C ←

19:02:01 <fadi> ... but it only supports RDF/XML and not Turtle

... but it only supports RDF/XML and not Turtle ←

19:02:12 <fadi> ... it is worth raising the point to the RDF WG

... it is worth raising the point to the RDF WG ←

19:02:20 <sandro> +1 this group can say how important an RDF validator (with Turtle, etc) mght be for GLD.

Sandro Hawke: +1 this group can say how important an RDF validator (with Turtle, etc) mght be for GLD. ←

19:02:22 <fadi> ... and asking for Turtle support in the validation

... and asking for Turtle support in the validation ←

19:02:52 <fadi> ... talking about the validator operated b the W3C

... talking about the validator operated by the W3C ←

19:02:53 <olyerickson> HadleyBeeman RE Refine defaulting to vCard I wouldn't be surprised.  Makes me wonder what e.g. socrata defaults to when it interprets data types

John Erickson: HadleyBeeman RE Refine defaulting to vCard I wouldn't be surprised. Makes me wonder what e.g. socrata defaults to when it interprets data types ←

19:03:13 <fadi> s/ b / by /

19:03:21 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

19:03:31 <cygri> ack me

Richard Cyganiak: ack me ←

19:03:31 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to answer on validation and bnodes

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you wanted to answer on validation and bnodes ←

19:03:42 <bhyland> cygri: Would be helpful if the GLD WG liaised with RDF WG that improved validation in .ttl would be very useful.

Richard Cyganiak: Would be helpful if the GLD WG liaised with RDF WG that improved validation in .ttl would be very useful. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

19:03:43 <Mike_Pendleton> Bernadette: I can bring this up with the RDF working group (David Wood)

Bernadette Hyland: I can bring this up with the RDF working group (David Wood) [ Scribe Assist by Michael Pendleton ] ←

19:03:47 <mhausenblas> Michael: charter [[People, such as elements of FOAF or vCard in RDF. This is an area for particular attention to privacy considerations.]] - reminds me on the NeoGeo approach, see http://geovocab.org/doc/neogeo.html

Michael Hausenblas: charter [[People, such as elements of FOAF or vCard in RDF. This is an area for particular attention to privacy considerations.]] - reminds me on the NeoGeo approach, see http://geovocab.org/doc/neogeo.html [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

19:04:16 <fadi> sandro: when each of us votes to accept a FPWD it means that to the best of our knowledge

Sandro Hawke: when each of us votes to accept a FPWD it means that to the best of our knowledge ←

19:04:29 <fadi> ... the working draft is correct

... the working draft has the WG consensus ←

19:04:41 <fadi> ... so each one is encouraged to review the working draft

... so each one is encouraged to review the working draft ←

19:04:46 <fadi> ... and provide feedback

... and provide feedback ←

19:05:22 <fadi> s/is correct/ has the WG consensus/

19:05:28 <bhyland> Sandro: Appearance in a FPWD means there is consensus among the GLD WG.  It is an accurate representation of the published view of the GLD WG.

Sandro Hawke: Appearance in a FPWD means there is consensus among the GLD WG. It is an accurate representation of the published view of the GLD WG. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

19:05:35 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

19:05:37 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←

19:05:39 <mhausenblas> ack sandro

Michael Hausenblas: ack sandro ←

19:05:46 <olyerickson> When you vote, you are agreeing that it should be published. There can be sections that are "undecided"

John Erickson: My understanding is that when you vote, you are agreeing that it should be published. There can be sections that are "undecided" ←

19:06:10 <olyerickson> s/When/My understanding is that when/

19:07:13 <mhausenblas> Michael: Iff we resolve on 23 Feb we can go public on 28 Feb

Michael Hausenblas: Iff we resolve on 23 Feb we can go public on 28 Feb [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

19:07:26 <mhausenblas> ... which means we show up on http://w3.org/TR/

Michael Hausenblas: ... which means we show up on http://w3.org/TR/ ←

19:07:28 <bhyland> PhilA: W3C MarComm team should be advised of the upcoming publication of the batch of FPWD from the GLD WG.

Phil Archer: W3CComm team should be advised of the upcoming publication of the batch of FPWD from the GLD WG. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

19:07:29 <sandro> "Government Linked Data Working Group proposes specs which will destroy the Internet, unless you comment now."

Sandro Hawke: "Government Linked Data Working Group proposes specs which will destroy the Internet, unless you comment now." ←

19:08:22 <PhilA> s/ MarComm/Comm/g

19:09:06 <fadi> sandro: after the working drafts are out, we still have to iterate and refine them towards

Sandro Hawke: after the working drafts are out, we still have to iterate and refine them towards ←

19:09:10 <fadi> ... the last drafts

... the last call drafts ←

19:09:23 <cygri> s/last drafts/last call drafts/

19:09:51 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman ←

19:09:57 <cygri> (charter says LC in oct 2012)

Richard Cyganiak: (charter says LC in oct 2012) ←

19:09:59 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

19:10:10 <fadi> PhilA: with vocabulary we can get to the last call draft faster than the rest

Phil Archer: with vocabulary we can get to the last call draft faster than the rest ←

19:10:42 <olyerickson> +1 to mhausenblas "febuary" proposal. Now I must jump off call...

John Erickson: +1 to mhausenblas "febuary" proposal. Now I must jump off call... ←

19:10:53 <fadi> ... to speed up the process, we use the fact that the vocabularies are used currently

... to speed up the process, we use the fact that the vocabularies are used currently ←

19:10:58 <Zakim> -olyerickson

Zakim IRC Bot: -olyerickson ←

19:10:59 <mhausenblas> Michael: thanks olyerickson and cya

Michael Hausenblas: thanks olyerickson and cya [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

19:11:04 <olyerickson> bye!

John Erickson: bye! ←

19:11:11 <cygri> thanks olyerickson!

Richard Cyganiak: thanks olyerickson! ←

19:11:21 <fadi> ... so we might be able to reduce the implementation face

... so we might be able to reduce the implementation phase ←

19:11:22 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

19:11:23 <HadleyBeeman> Bye olyerickson

Hadley Beeman: Bye olyerickson ←

19:11:28 <fadi> s/face/phase/

19:11:41 <gatemezi> @olyerickson : bye!

Ghislain Atemezing: @olyerickson : bye! ←

19:11:46 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

19:12:08 <mhausenblas> ack me

Michael Hausenblas: ack me ←

19:12:08 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to talk about people vocab contribution

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to talk about people vocab contribution ←

19:12:46 <fadi> mhausenblas: re. representing people which is mentioned in the charter

Michael Hausenblas: re. representing people which is mentioned in the charter ←

19:12:57 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q? ←

19:13:04 <sandro> q+ to talk about people vocab

Sandro Hawke: q+ to talk about people vocab ←

19:13:33 <fadi> ... I am afraid of ending up with  a very "shallow" vocabulary if we care too much about being compliant with every previous candidate

... I am afraid of ending up with a very "shallow" vocabulary if we care too much about being compliant with every previous candidate ←

19:13:33 <mhausenblas> ack me

Michael Hausenblas: ack me ←

19:13:42 <fadi> ... I'd be glad to contribute there

... I'd be glad to contribute there ←

19:13:52 <PhilA> +1 to bhyland

Phil Archer: +1 to bhyland ←

19:14:02 <HadleyBeeman> I suspect this may be some of the conversations that are coming out of PhilA's group… re unique identifiers for people (and the privacy implications)

Hadley Beeman: I suspect this may be some of the conversations that are coming out of PhilA's group… re unique identifiers for people (and the privacy implications) ←

19:14:29 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

19:14:33 <mhausenblas> ack sandro

Michael Hausenblas: ack sandro ←

19:14:33 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to talk about people vocab

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to talk about people vocab ←

19:15:04 <bhyland> mhausenblas: reviewed GLD WG charter and noted: People, such as elements of FOAF or vCard in RDF. This is an area for particular attention to privacy considerations.   Michael is willing to participate after FPWD re: privacy aspects ...

Michael Hausenblas: reviewed GLD WG charter and noted: People, such as elements of FOAF or vCard in RDF. This is an area for particular attention to privacy considerations. Michael is not willing to participate after FPWD re: privacy aspects ... [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

19:15:20 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←

19:15:23 <fadi> sandro: "people" topic is particularly sensitive because it implied privacy concerns

Sandro Hawke: "people" topic is particularly sensitive because it implied privacy concerns ←

19:15:40 <bhyland> s/Michael is willing/Michael is not willing

19:15:45 <fadi> ... schema.org is strong in regards of representing people

... schema.org is strong in regards of representing people ←

19:15:45 <stasinos> If the vocab forces that fields about people are filled in, the vocab might break privacy regulations

Stasinos Konstantopoulos: If the vocab forces that fields about people are filled in, the vocab might break privacy regulations ←

19:15:46 <PhilA> q+ to try and answer the privacy point made by mhausenblas

Phil Archer: q+ to try and answer the privacy point made by mhausenblas ←

19:15:53 <bhyland> [14:15] <bhyland> s/Michael is willing/Michael is *not* willing/

Bernadette Hyland: [14:15] <bhyland> s/Michael is willing/Michael is *not* willing/ ←

19:15:59 <mhausenblas> Michael: yes, contribute to people and thanks to sandro I now understand what the privacy part means

Michael Hausenblas: yes, contribute to people and thanks to sandro I now understand what the privacy part means [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

19:16:08 <fadi> ... a lot of publishers would like to use schema.org fro representing people

... a lot of publishers would like to use schema.org fro representing people ←

19:16:12 <mhausenblas> Michael: I AM willing (after FPWD)

Michael Hausenblas: I AM willing (after FPWD) [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

19:16:13 <bhyland> Sandro: Discussed schema.org's people vocab and we should give it due consideration.

Sandro Hawke: Discussed schema.org's people vocab and we should give it due consideration. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

19:16:28 <cygri> q?

Richard Cyganiak: q? ←

19:16:36 <HadleyBeeman> sandro, don't Google and Bing still index other forms of mark-up? (RDFa and microformats)?

Hadley Beeman: sandro, don't Google and Bing still index other forms of mark-up? (RDFa and microformats)? ←

19:16:54 <cygri> ack me

Richard Cyganiak: ack me ←

19:16:56 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

19:17:16 <fadi> cygri: one of the privacy concerns is the use of IFP

Richard Cyganiak: one of the privacy concerns is the use of IFP ←

19:17:20 <mhausenblas> q+ to talk about the 'usefulness' of people vocab

Michael Hausenblas: q+ to talk about the 'usefulness' of people vocab ←

19:17:22 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

19:17:25 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me ←

19:17:25 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to try and answer the privacy point made by mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, you wanted to try and answer the privacy point made by mhausenblas ←

19:17:29 <sandro> HadleyBeeman, RDFa and microformats are syntaxes --- the only vocab they plan to use is their own (I think -- that could perhaps change, too).

Sandro Hawke: HadleyBeeman, RDFa and microformats are syntaxes --- the only vocab they plan to use is their own (I think -- that could perhaps change, too). ←

19:17:29 <fadi> ... for example foaf:homepage

... for example foaf:homepage ←

19:18:07 <fadi> PhilA: there is an important distinction between describing person as individual animal vs. describing the identity

Phil Archer: there is an important distinction between describing person as individual animal vs. describing the identity ←

19:18:25 <mhausenblas> Michael: In fact, Google+Bing+Yahoo, parse microdata and RDFa lite

Michael Hausenblas: In fact, Google+Bing+Yahoo, parse microdata and RDFa lite [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

19:18:27 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

19:18:33 <mhausenblas> ack me

Michael Hausenblas: ack me ←

19:18:33 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to talk about the 'usefulness' of people vocab

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to talk about the 'usefulness' of people vocab ←

19:18:36 <HadleyBeeman> sandro, right, but if the argument for using schema.org's vocabulary is that it is more indexible, then wouldn't it also hold for  the others?

Hadley Beeman: sandro, right, but if the argument for using schema.org's vocabulary is that it is more indexible, then wouldn't it also hold for the others? ←

19:19:27 <sandro> HadleyBeeman, it would if schema.org had terms for these other uses cases, but I don't think they do (yet).

Sandro Hawke: HadleyBeeman, it would if schema.org had terms for these other uses cases, but I don't think they do (yet). ←

19:19:38 <fadi> mhausenblas: people are involved in many areas for example in organization description you need a point of contact

Michael Hausenblas: people are involved in many areas for example in organization description you need a point of contact ←

19:19:42 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

19:19:47 <sandro> we COULD argue to schema.org that they should include these other terms we want.

Sandro Hawke: we COULD argue to schema.org that they should include these other terms we want. ←

19:19:59 <fadi> ... we need to know what makes sense from government perspective

... we need to know what makes sense from government perspective ←

19:20:22 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q? ←

19:20:25 <bhyland> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←

19:20:31 <mhausenblas> http://xkcd.com/927/

Michael Hausenblas: http://xkcd.com/927/ ←

19:20:34 <HadleyBeeman> Sandro: we could ask schema.org to include those other things… for futher conversation in the future.

Sandro Hawke: we could ask schema.org to include those other things… for futher conversation in the future. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←

19:20:54 <fadi> sandro: we could consider trying to add the ontologies as extension to schema.org

Sandro Hawke: we could consider trying to add the ontologies as extension to schema.org ←

19:21:01 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

19:21:22 <mhausenblas> q+

Michael Hausenblas: q+ ←

19:21:27 <mhausenblas> ack bhyland

Michael Hausenblas: ack bhyland ←

19:21:37 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to bhyland for having a serious discussion and an informed opinion on what our relationship should be with schema.org for use in government.

Hadley Beeman: +1 to bhyland for having a serious discussion and an informed opinion on what our relationship should be with schema.org for use in government. ←

19:21:46 <sandro> bhyland: We at least need a good answer for why not use schema.org, if we don't.

Bernadette Hyland: We at least need a good answer for why not use schema.org, if we don't. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

19:21:50 <fadi> mhausenblas: we might invite danbri as he is involved in schema.org

Michael Hausenblas: we might invite danbri as he is involved in schema.org ←

19:22:03 <fadi> ... AFAIK it is still very early

... AFAIK it is still very early ←

19:22:06 <cygri> +1 to having danbri talk to this

Richard Cyganiak: +1 to having danbri talk to this ←

19:22:20 <fadi> ... as the process of extending  schema.org is not finalized yet

... as the process of extending schema.org is not finalized yet ←

19:22:58 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

19:23:00 <mhausenblas> ack me

Michael Hausenblas: ack me ←

19:23:23 <fadi> bhyland:  in a previous webcast they showed interest in adding government related vocabs to schema.org

Bernadette Hyland: in a previous webcast they showed interest in adding government related vocabs to schema.org ←

19:23:46 <fadi> ... and encouraged people to act early

... and encouraged people to act early ←

19:24:00 <sandro> +1 bhyland We need to have a conversation with the schema.org folks about whether do to do these vocabs in schema.org, or whatever.

Sandro Hawke: +1 bhyland We need to have a conversation with the schema.org folks about whether do to do these vocabs in schema.org, or whatever. ←

19:24:15 <bhyland> What is the extension mechanism for adding gov't vocabs to schema.org.

Bernadette Hyland: What is the extension mechanism for adding gov't vocabs to schema.org. ←

19:24:23 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to inviting Guha to speak to us

Hadley Beeman: +1 to inviting Guha to speak to us ←

19:24:41 <mhausenblas> ACTION: bhyland to invite Vocab TF chair to talk about Schema.org extensions

ACTION: bhyland to invite Vocab TF chair to talk about Schema.org extensions ←

19:24:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-44 - Invite Vocab TF chair to talk about Schema.org extensions [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2012-02-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-44 - Invite Vocab TF chair to talk about Schema.org extensions [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2012-02-02]. ←

19:24:45 <cygri> q?

Richard Cyganiak: q? ←

19:25:01 <bhyland> ACTION: bhyland to invite RV Guha to speak at GLD WG telecon on extension mechanism for adding to schema.org

ACTION: bhyland to invite RV Guha to speak at GLD WG telecon on extension mechanism for adding to schema.org ←

19:25:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-45 - Invite RV Guha to speak at GLD WG telecon on extension mechanism for adding to schema.org [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2012-02-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-45 - Invite RV Guha to speak at GLD WG telecon on extension mechanism for adding to schema.org [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2012-02-02]. ←

19:25:53 <fadi> sandro: there is a distinction between adding it and extending the schema through an extension mechanism

Sandro Hawke: there is a distinction between adding it and extending the schema through an extension mechanism ←

19:25:54 <mhausenblas> Michael: Exactly, sandro, the *Extension* mechanism is not (yet) defined

Michael Hausenblas: Exactly, sandro, the *Extension* mechanism is not (yet) defined [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

19:26:13 <fadi> ... I think the former is at this time better

... I think the former is at this time better ←

19:26:36 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-44

Michael Hausenblas: close ACTION-44 ←

19:26:36 <trackbot> ACTION-44 Invite Vocab TF chair to talk about Schema.org extensions closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-44 Invite Vocab TF chair to talk about Schema.org extensions closed ←

19:26:39 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q? ←

19:26:54 <mhausenblas> q+ to say nothing more, really

Michael Hausenblas: q+ to say nothing more, really ←

19:27:16 <bhyland> PhilA: Any events happening in next 6 mos that we could leverage for next F2F.

Phil Archer: Any events happening in next 6 mos that we could leverage for next F2F. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←

19:27:20 <fadi> PhilA: an upcoming event... on the 21 June

Phil Archer: an upcoming event... on the 21 June ←

19:27:37 <fadi> ... and 22nd "the digital agenda summit" in Brussel

... and 22nd "the digital agenda summit" in Brussel ←

19:28:04 <Mike_Pendleton> q+

Michael Pendleton: q+ ←

19:28:05 <bhyland> ... June 21-22, 2012 in Brussells Digital Agenda Summit ... good place to meet possibly? Govies from EU in Brussels.

Bernadette Hyland: ... June 21-22, 2012 in Brussells Digital Agenda Summit ... good place to meet possibly? Govies from EU in Brussels. ←

19:28:12 <mhausenblas> q-

Michael Hausenblas: q- ←

19:28:17 <fadi> ... plenty of government people will be in Brussel

... plenty of government people will be in Brussel ←

19:29:11 <HadleyBeeman> lanyrd.com?

Hadley Beeman: lanyrd.com? ←

19:29:24 <mhausenblas> http://xkcd.com/927/

Michael Hausenblas: http://xkcd.com/927/ ←

19:29:37 <HadleyBeeman> that's for any conference

Hadley Beeman: that's for any conference ←

19:29:40 <dvilasuero> http://epsiplatform.eu/

Daniel Vila: http://epsiplatform.eu/ ←

19:29:41 <mhausenblas> http://epsiplatform.eu/news

Michael Hausenblas: http://epsiplatform.eu/news ←

19:29:48 <fadi> mhausenblas: a list of government-related events http://epsiplatform.eu/

Michael Hausenblas: a list of government-related events http://epsiplatform.eu/ ←

19:29:56 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q? ←

19:30:08 <HadleyBeeman> lanyrd.com does track by keywords… open data is one, linked data is another that theytrack

Hadley Beeman: lanyrd.com does track by keywords… open data is one, linked data is another that theytrack ←

19:30:16 <fadi> Mike_Pendleton: Smetech is also interesting

Michael Pendleton: Smetech is also interesting ←

19:30:40 <mhausenblas> Michael: Agreed, also outreach into WWW in Lyon

Michael Hausenblas: Agreed, also outreach into WWW in Lyon [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

19:30:48 <fadi> bhyland: I submitted a talk there

Bernadette Hyland: I submitted a talk there ←

19:30:58 <dvilasuero> +1 to WWW

Daniel Vila: +1 to WWW ←

19:30:59 <HadleyBeeman> Also, I'm doing an open data workshop at WWW2012

Hadley Beeman: Also, I'm doing an open data workshop at WWW2012 ←

19:32:26 <HadleyBeeman> http://www2012.wwwconference.org/

Hadley Beeman: http://www2012.wwwconference.org/ ←

19:33:19 <HadleyBeeman> http://lanyrd.com/search/?context=future&q=open+data

Hadley Beeman: http://lanyrd.com/search/?context=future&q=open+data ←

19:33:26 <gatemezi> @HadleyBeeman: could you provide  the link of the workshop on open data?

Ghislain Atemezing: @HadleyBeeman: could you provide the link of the workshop on open data? ←

19:33:35 <HadleyBeeman> (sorry to bang on about this— but lanyrd.com is so easy to use!)

Hadley Beeman: (sorry to bang on about this— but lanyrd.com is so easy to use!) ←

19:33:51 <George> thnx HadleyBeeman !

George Thomas: thnx HadleyBeeman ! ←

19:33:59 <George> q?

George Thomas: q? ←

19:34:08 <George> ack Mike_Pendleton_

George Thomas: ack Mike_Pendleton_ ←

19:34:13 <bhyland> Mike_Pendleton asked about whether WG is giving a talk at SemTech West in June.  Answer: Yes, bhyland submitted one on behalf of the WG.

Bernadette Hyland: Mike_Pendleton asked about whether WG is giving a talk at SemTech West in June. Answer: Yes, bhyland submitted one on behalf of the WG. ←

19:34:13 <Mike_Pendleton_> q-

Michael Pendleton: q- ←

19:34:28 <PhilA> q- Mike_Pendleton_

Phil Archer: q- Mike_Pendleton_ ←

19:34:35 <George> ack Mike_Pendleton

George Thomas: ack Mike_Pendleton ←

19:34:38 <HadleyBeeman> For Gatemezi: Open Data in Practice workshop at WWW2012 (last on the page):  http://www.w3.org/2012/04/tuto-track.html

Hadley Beeman: For Gatemezi: Open Data in Practice workshop at WWW2012 (last on the page): http://www.w3.org/2012/04/tuto-track.html ←

19:34:47 <fadi> mhausenblas: we can have a Google+ hangout for outreach

Michael Hausenblas: we can have a Google+ hangout for outreach ←

19:35:19 <mhausenblas> Michael: The nice thing is that we can record is as well, we can share screen and docs - once FPWD are out we can try this for an hour

Michael Hausenblas: The nice thing is that we can record is as well, we can share screen and docs - once FPWD are out we can try this for an hour [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←

19:35:49 <gatemezi> Thx bhyland!!

Ghislain Atemezing: Thx bhyland!! ←

19:35:52 <fadi> bhyland: we need to be more active on the egov blog as well

Bernadette Hyland: we need to be more active on the egov blog as well ←

19:35:55 <PhilA> q+ Pint of Smithwicks Please

Phil Archer: q+ Pint of Smithwicks Please ←

19:36:29 <HadleyBeeman> Great to see you all!

Hadley Beeman: Great to see you all! ←

19:36:42 <mhausenblas> glawway out!

Michael Hausenblas: glawway out! ←

19:36:47 <Zakim> -galway

Zakim IRC Bot: -galway ←

19:36:59 <BenediktKaempgen> bye, thanks.

Benedikt Kaempgen: bye, thanks. ←

19:37:01 <PhilA> sandro: Are you taking care of the minutes?

Sandro Hawke: Are you taking care of the minutes? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

19:37:11 <Zakim> -t_gheen

Zakim IRC Bot: -t_gheen ←

19:37:12 <DanG> bye

Dan Gillman: bye ←

19:37:32 <HadleyBeeman> Bye, all.  Enjoy the pub(s)!

Hadley Beeman: Bye, all. Enjoy the pub(s)! ←

19:37:41 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←

19:37:43 <sandro> PhilA, uh, sure.

Sandro Hawke: PhilA, uh, sure. ←

19:37:55 <Zakim> -Washington

Zakim IRC Bot: -Washington ←

19:37:56 <PhilA> sandro: I should have said "please"

Sandro Hawke: I should have said "please" [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

19:37:59 <Zakim> -sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro ←

19:37:59 <Zakim> -stasinos

Zakim IRC Bot: -stasinos ←

19:38:00 <Zakim> SW_e-Gov( GLD)6:30AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_e-Gov( GLD)6:30AM has ended ←

19:38:02 <Zakim> Attendees were galway, HadleyBeeman, fadi, PhilA, dvilasuero, cygri, mhausenblas, GofranShukair, BartvanLeeuwen, csarven, BenediktKaempgen, gatemezin, sandro, olyerickson,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were galway, HadleyBeeman, fadi, PhilA, dvilasuero, cygri, mhausenblas, GofranShukair, BartvanLeeuwen, csarven, BenediktKaempgen, gatemezin, sandro, olyerickson, ←

19:38:05 <Zakim> ... GeraldSteeman, boris, Washington, t_gheen, spyroskotoulas, DeirdreLee, DaveReynolds, stasinos, +1.703.201.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: ... GeraldSteeman, boris, Washington, t_gheen, spyroskotoulas, DeirdreLee, DaveReynolds, stasinos, +1.703.201.aaaa ←

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