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<trackbot> Date: 15 December 2011
<jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2011/ED-UAAG20-20111213/
<scribe> scribe:jallan
topic 2.11.10
gl: couldn't parse this, asked questions
https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20111130/results#xq11
scribe: every media playback may not be a viewport
jr: 'handle' assumes that every player with have handles to change size
js: time based media is an element or an object. and you are changing the size of the element/object
gl: time-based media will apply to animation, and canvas
jr: time based objects could fly
around the screen.
... need to have it bigger than its default.
gl: you can make images and text
bigger, how are they different from visual time based
media.
... media is a variation of text and images.
<jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2011/ED-UAAG20-20111213/
gl: also need to state 'visual' time base media
ja: this is special, ability to make only this instance (video) (element) larger
gl: so we are talking about a
discrete region of the page not some global animation
... what about reflow?
ja: in implementation
kf: this needs lots of work
gl: already say that every
viewport can be resized, but not independently
... viewports have min/max limits
kf: does zoom work on video
ja: yes
jr: UA needs to have a zoom, and can zoom all the content
gl: minimum expectation is to
make all content large
... change the size of edit fields.
kf: do we have zoom, see lots of resizing.
jr: 1.4.x scale text, need a dumb zoom to zoom everything.
kf: if we delete 21110, what do folks think
jr: +1 if we have an overall zoom
kf: have a generic zoom feature that covers all content
gl: full zoom, is minimal
<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to delete 2.11.10 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/15-ua-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-689 - Delete 2.11.10 [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2011-12-22].
<Jan> ACTION: JR to Write proposal for a zoom function SC and another for a zoom that respects horizontal [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/15-ua-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-690 - Write proposal for a zoom function SC and another for a zoom that respects horizontal [on Jan Richards - due 2011-12-22].
gl: optimal is to zoom within window boundary, then discrete zoom
ja: discrete movement of captions to be above, below, beside video
gl: prefer changing to visual media track
<greg> "visual alternative media tracks" rather than "alternative visual media tracks" but not a big deal, just trying to not break up the phrase "alternative media".
+1 all around
<sharper> +1
<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to change 2.11.11 "alternative visual media tracks" to "visual alternative media tracks" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/15-ua-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-691 - Change 2.11.11 "alternative visual media tracks" to "visual alternative media tracks" [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2011-12-22].
<scribe> ACTION: jallan to rewrite IER for 2.11.11 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/15-ua-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-692 - Rewrite IER for 2.11.11 [on Jim Allan - due 2011-12-22].
ja: should be AAA
gl: should clarify, the playback media only (video).
jr: how does this interact with system wide brightness and contrast setting.
kf: do we need this?
gl: this is for mediaplayer plugin, you need to expose these controls.
Kf: should this apply to images, should I be able to change contrast of images
gl: when a technology allows the
adjustment of contrast and brightness, then it needs to expose
it in the UA
... should only apply to playback of timebased media
<greg> Since AAA would be OK to essentially just be recommending that components that play back visual time-based media allow the user to adjust contrast and brightness.
wayne: is there a demand for this
<greg> "Components that play back visual time-based media allow the user to adjust contrast and brightness"
+1
<Wayne> +1
<greg> 2.11.12 Playback Contrast and Brightness: Components that play back visual time-based media allow the user to adjust contrast and brightness. (AAA)
<greg> 2.11.12 Playback Contrast and Brightness: Components that play visual time-based media allow the user to adjust contrast and brightness. (AAA)
<KimPatch> +1
<greg> Shouldn't use "playback" in the title if not in the SC.
<greg> 2.11.12 Video Contrast and Brightness: Components that play visual time-based media allow the user to adjust contrast and brightness. (AAA)
<greg> 2.11.12 Video Contrast and Brightness: Users can adjust the contrast and brightness of visual time-based media. (AAA) [the more user-centric phrasing]
<greg> The existing Applicability Note goes away.
<scribe> ACTION: jeanne to change 21112 to 2.11.12 Video Contrast and Brightness: Users can adjust the contrast and brightness of visual time-based media. (AAA) [the more user-centric phrasing] and remove applicability note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/15-ua-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-693 - Change 21112 to 2.11.12 Video Contrast and Brightness: Users can adjust the contrast and brightness of visual time-based media. (AAA) [the more user-centric phrasing] and remove applicability note [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2011-12-22].
<jeanne> Sorry, I need to go, apologies.
kf: meet Dec 22 and 29?
... shouldn't meet on 22 or 29, write/send proposals to
list
... Jan 5 ok?
resume standard meeting on Jan 5
kf: will review marathon days on Jan 5
Modality Independence Principal
Users interacting with a web browser may do so using one or more input
methods including keyboard, mouse, speech, touch, and gesture.
It’s critical that each user be free to use whatever input
method or combination of methods works best for a given
situation. Therefore every potential user interaction must be
accessible via modality
independent controls that any input technology can
access.
For instance, if a user can’t use or doesn’t have access to a mouse, but can
use and access a keyboard, the keyboard can call a modality
independent control to activate an OnMouseOver
event.
<KimPatch> Modality Independence Principal
<KimPatch> Users interacting with a web browser may do so using one or more input methods including keyboard, mouse, speech, touch, and gesture. It’s critical that each user be free to use whatever input method or combination of methods works best for a given situation. Therefore every potential user task must be accessible via modality independent controls that any input technology can access.
<KimPatch> For instance, if a user can’t use or doesn’t have access to a mouse, but can use and access a keyboard, the keyboard can call a modality independent control to activate an OnMouseOver event.
kp: modality is not in the document, have been using keyboard short cuts
kf: put this in doc at the
beginning
... guiding principals
jr: in ATAG we have global Applicability Notes at the top of each section
<greg> I like the first paragraph, but I find the wording of the "For instance" paragraph to be verbose and confusing. For example, "can call a modality independent control"? Call it what? :-)
wayne: similar to Accessibility Support in WCAG
<scribe> ACTION: jeanne to add section at top of document "Applicability Notes" that includes Modality Independence Principal - Users interacting with a web browser may do so using one or more input methods including keyboard, mouse, speech, touch, and gesture. It’s critical that each user be free to use whatever input method or combination of methods works best for a given situation. Therefore every... [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/15-ua-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-694 - Add section at top of document "Applicability Notes" that includes Modality Independence Principal - Users interacting with a web browser may do so using one or more input methods including keyboard, mouse, speech, touch, and gesture. It’s critical that each user be free to use whatever input method or combination of methods works best for a given situation. Therefore every... [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2011-12-22].
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: potential user task must be accessible via modality independent controls that any input technology can access.
For instance, if a user can’t use or doesn’t have access to a mouse, but can use and access a keyboard, the keyboard can call a modality independent control to activate an OnMouseOver event.
<greg> I think we can just take one of the already written examples from the corresponding SC.
<greg> E.g. the Cade or Omar examples from 2.1.1
close action-679
<trackbot> ACTION-679 Write note for top of document about overarching principle of modality independence closed
<KimPatch> 2.6.X Activate any event handlers:
<KimPatch> The user can call up a list of input device event handlers explicitly associated with the keyboard focus element, and activate any one or more. (Level A)
<KimPatch> Intent of Success Criterion 2.6.X :
<KimPatch> Users interacting with a web browser may be doing so by using one or more input technologies including keyboard, mouse, speech, touch, and gesture. No matter how the user is controlling the user agent, the user needs to know all the input methods assigned to a particular piece of content. At the same time, anyone input method should not arbitrarily hold back another. For instance, people...
<KimPatch> ...who don't use a mouse shouldn't necessarily have to map their input methods to the same steps a mouse user would take.
<KimPatch> Examples of Success Criterion 2.6.X :
<KimPatch> o Jeremy cannot use a mouse. He needs to activate a flyout menu that normally appears OnMouseOver. Jeremy can navigate to a link on this flyout menu and activate it using keyboard shortcuts.
<KimPatch> o Ken is a speech input user. In order to get his work done in a reasonable amount of time and without overtaxing his voice he uses a single speech command phrase to move the mouse up, left and click.
<KimPatch> o Karen cannot use a mouse. She clicks a single key to activate both events for link that has an onmousedown and an onmouseup event link.
<KimPatch> Related Resources for Success Criterion 2.6.X :
<KimPatch> The Modality Independence Principle X.X
<greg> No necessarily necessary, but could reorder sentence to "The user can call up a list of and activate and one or more input device event handlers explicitly associated with the keyboard focus element."
<greg> "The user can call up a list of and activate any one or more, input device event handlers explicitly associated with the keyboard focus element."
<Wayne> Why not just "can activate any of the handlers"
<KimPatch> The user can call up a list of input device event handlers explicitly associated with the keyboard focus element, and activate any one or more of the event handlers.
<greg> the or those
<KimPatch> +1 those
<scribe> ACTION: jeanne to add 2.6.x The user can call up a list of input device event handlers explicitly associated with the keyboard focus element, and activate any one or more of the event handlers.and IER above from KIm [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/15-ua-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-695 - Add 2.6.x The user can call up a list of input device event handlers explicitly associated with the keyboard focus element, and activate any one or more of the event handlers.and IER above from KIm [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2011-12-22].
<scribe> ACTION: jeanne to delete 2.6.1, 2, 3 and replace with 2.6.x [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/15-ua-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-696 - Delete 2.6.1, 2, 3 and replace with 2.6.x [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2011-12-22].
<scribe> ACTION: jeanne to make sure that wayne is on the list. still not getting email [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/15-ua-minutes.html#action09]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-697 - Make sure that wayne is on the list. still not getting email [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2011-12-22].
close action-678
<trackbot> ACTION-678 Write a combo of 261-263 to one SC, and intents, etc. closed
<Wayne> clink, clink
need to reopen and respond to html5 bug
<kford> jim are you still in irc
1. generated content (gc) speaks with a screen reader on the Mac in Opera and Safari
<kford> were you going to talk with GL about generated content?
1a. speaks with screen reader on PC in Chrome
2. gc prints on all UA
3. copy and paste does not work in any UA (ff, chome, ie, opera - all on PC), mac? safari?
4. search - if text is on the screen it should be searchable. in Opera (PC) you can search for terms, it will find but not highlight. search does not find gc on ff, ie, chrome on the PC. need further testing on the MAC
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