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17:01:52 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/12/01-html-wg-irc
17:01:54 RRSAgent, make logs public
17:01:56 Zakim, this will be html_wg
17:01:57 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
17:01:57 Date: 01 December 2011
17:01:57 MFoladare has joined #html-wg
17:01:59 Zakim, who's on the phone?
17:02:12 Zakim has joined #html-wg
17:02:19 Zakim, who's on the phone?
17:02:29 sorry, Julian, I don't know what conference this is
17:02:37 On IRC I see MFoladare, RRSAgent, janina, rubys, kimberly, eliot, Julian, hober, plh_, davidb, drublic, glenn, Norm, miketaylr, arronei, ArtB, MikeSmith, ed, tantek, mjs, nonge_,
17:02:40 Zakim, who's on the phone?
17:02:42 ... Dashiva, karl, slightlyoff, lgombos, shepazu, Jedi, hiro, gsnedders, inimino, Hixie, paul_irish, CIA-1, gavin, Philip, pingo, wilhelm, krijnhuman, jgraham, pimpbot, [tm],
17:02:47 ... johndrinkwater, rektide, webben, trackbot, hsivonen, heycam|away, jmb
17:02:49 sorry, Julian, I don't know what conference this is
17:02:55 Zakim, this is html_wg
17:02:56 On IRC I see MFoladare, RRSAgent, janina, rubys, kimberly, eliot, Julian, hober, plh_, davidb, drublic, glenn, Norm, miketaylr, arronei, ArtB, MikeSmith, ed, tantek, mjs, nonge_,
17:02:57 Zakim, this will be html
17:02:58 Zakim, who's on the phone?
17:03:00 ... Dashiva, karl, slightlyoff, lgombos, shepazu, Jedi, hiro, gsnedders, inimino, Hixie, paul_irish, CIA-1, gavin, Philip, pingo, wilhelm, krijnhuman, jgraham, pimpbot, [tm],
17:03:04 ... johndrinkwater, rektide, webben, trackbot, hsivonen, heycam|away, jmb
17:03:07 ok, rubys; that matches HTML_WG()12:00PM
17:03:09 html matches both HTML_WG()12:00PM and INC_(HTMLSPEECH)11:30AM
17:03:12 I notice HTML_WG()12:00PM has restarted
17:03:15 On the phone I see [Apple], kimberly, +1.251.280.aaaa, +1.415.595.aabb, ??P6, Sam, glenn
17:03:17 +Radhika_Roy
17:03:17 Zakim, Apple has hober
17:03:22 zakim, i am +1.417.671.aabb
17:03:28 +hober; got it
17:03:28 ScribeNick: hober
17:03:30 laura has joined #html-wg
17:03:31 Zakim, +1.251.280.aaaa is me
17:03:35 sorry, glenn, I do not see a party named '+1.417.671.aabb'
17:03:37 Zakim, +1.415.595.aabb is me
17:03:41 +Julian; got it
17:03:42 Zakim, mute me
17:03:47 Topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, December 1
17:03:49 +mjs; got it
17:03:50 zakim, who's here?
17:03:52 ACTION-207?
17:03:52 ACTION-207 -- Paul Cotton to confirm that change proposal for av_param is still active -- due 2011-12-01 -- OPEN
17:03:52 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/207
17:03:53 Julian should now be muted
17:03:53 Title: ACTION-207: Confirm that change proposal for av_param is still active - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:03:57 On the phone I see [Apple], kimberly, Julian (muted), mjs, ??P6, Sam, glenn, Radhika_Roy
17:04:01 [Apple] has hober
17:04:03 rubys: paul not able to make the call today
17:04:08 ... will push the action back a week
17:04:09 On IRC I see laura, Zakim, MFoladare, RRSAgent, janina, rubys, kimberly, eliot, Julian, hober, plh_, davidb, drublic, glenn, Norm, miketaylr, arronei, ArtB, MikeSmith, ed, tantek,
17:04:12 ... mjs, nonge_, Dashiva, karl, slightlyoff, lgombos, shepazu, Jedi, hiro, gsnedders, inimino, Hixie, paul_irish, CIA-1, gavin, Philip, pingo, wilhelm, krijnhuman, jgraham,
17:04:14 ACTION-208?
17:04:14 ACTION-208 -- Michael[tm] Smith to sync up with Peter St. Andre on URL processing draft and report back in two weeks -- due 2011-12-01 -- OPEN
17:04:14 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/208
17:04:15 Title: ACTION-208: Sync up with Peter St. Andre on URL processing draft and report back in two weeks - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:04:18 ... pimpbot, [tm], johndrinkwater, rektide, webben, trackbot, hsivonen, heycam|away, jmb
17:04:29 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0194.html
17:04:31 Title: "How Browsers Process URLs" aka "URL processing spec": HTML WG deliverable or I18N WG deliverable? from Michael[tm] Smith on 2011-11-21 (public-html@w3.org from November 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
17:04:39 +Laura_Carlson
17:04:44 MFoladare is 7323681000 from AT&T
17:04:49 rubys: MikeSmith not on call, public status update linked above
17:05:24 ... we'll close this action
17:05:27 + +1.415.871.aacc
17:05:30 Zakim, call Mike
17:05:31 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
17:05:34 +Mike
17:05:34 Topic: New Issues This Week
17:05:41 ISSUE-172?
17:05:41 ISSUE-172 -- restore as an optional element -- raised
17:05:41 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172
17:05:42 Zakim, aacc is tantek
17:05:42 +tantek; got it
17:05:43 Title: ISSUE-172: restore as an optional element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:05:57 rubys: was raised prematurely, re-resolved and raised again
17:06:06 ISSUE-182?
17:06:06 ISSUE-182 -- Advice in spec about annotations promotes inaccessible content -- raised
17:06:06 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/182
17:06:07 Title: ISSUE-182: Advice in spec about annotations promotes inaccessible content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:06:09 Zakim, mute tantek
17:06:09 tantek should now be muted
17:06:28 ISSUE-183?
17:06:28 ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element -- open
17:06:28 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
17:06:29 Title: ISSUE-183: Enhance and simplify the time element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:06:30 ISSUE-184?
17:06:30 ISSUE-184 -- Add a data element -- open
17:06:30 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184
17:06:31 Title: ISSUE-184: Add a data element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:06:32 ISSUE-185?
17:06:32 ISSUE-185 -- Drop the pubdate attribute -- open
17:06:34 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/185
17:06:36 Title: ISSUE-185: Drop the pubdate attribute - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:06:43 rubys: same underlying bug being pursused as three different issues
17:06:56 Topic: Items Closed Last Week
17:07:00 ISSUE-174?
17:07:00 ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and semantics -- open
17:07:00 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
17:07:01 Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:07:22 rubys: call for counter proposals closed
17:07:24 ISSUE-181?
17:07:24 ISSUE-181 -- remove remains of "sidebar" link relation -- open
17:07:24 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/181
17:07:26 Title: ISSUE-181: remove remains of "sidebar" link relation - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:07:33 rubys: got one proposal
17:07:37 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0192.html
17:07:38 Title: Change Proposal for ISSUE-181, was: ISSUE-181: remove-sidebar - Chairs Solicit Proposals from Julian Reschke on 2011-11-20 (public-html@w3.org from November 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
17:07:46 Topic: Items Closing This Week
17:07:50 ISSUE-179?
17:07:50 ISSUE-179 -- {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) -- open
17:07:50 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179
17:07:51 Title: ISSUE-179: {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:08:00 rubys: Change Proposals due by today
17:08:09 ... related to ACTION-207
17:08:11 nothing new from me (179)
17:08:28 Topic: Items Closing Next Week
17:08:33 ISSUE-177?
17:08:33 ISSUE-177 -- References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. -- open
17:08:33 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177
17:08:34 Title: ISSUE-177: References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:08:42 ISSUE-180?
17:08:42 ISSUE-180 -- Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox -- open
17:08:42 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/180
17:08:44 Title: ISSUE-180: Add "allow-popups" for iframe@sandbox - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:08:51 rubys: Alternate or Counter Proposals due for both of them by Dec 10
17:08:54 Topic: New Calls this week
17:09:02 ISSUE-133?
17:09:02 ISSUE-133 -- Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) -- open
17:09:02 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/133
17:09:03 Title: ISSUE-133: Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:09:09 rubys: Call for Consensus closes Dec 7
17:09:19 tantek has left #html-wg
17:09:20 rubys: we have an updated CP that it looks like we'll have consensus on
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17:09:33 ISSUE-172?
17:09:34 ISSUE-172 -- restore as an optional element -- raised
17:09:34 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172
17:09:35 Title: ISSUE-172: restore as an optional element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:09:40 rubys: Call for Change Proposals closes Jan 7
17:09:48 Zakim, aacc is tantek
17:09:48 sorry, tantek, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
17:09:52 ... additional time given due to holidays
17:09:53 Zakim, who is here?
17:09:53 On the phone I see [Apple], kimberly, Julian (muted), mjs, ??P6, Sam, glenn, Radhika_Roy, Laura_Carlson, tantek (muted), Mike
17:09:55 [Apple] has hober
17:09:57 On IRC I see tantek, laura, Zakim, MFoladare, RRSAgent, janina, rubys, kimberly, eliot, Julian, hober, plh_, davidb, drublic, glenn, miketaylr, arronei, ArtB, MikeSmith, ed, mjs,
17:09:59 ISSUE-174?
17:09:59 ISSUE-174 -- potential conflict between Link: and semantics -- open
17:09:59 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/174
17:10:00 Title: ISSUE-174: potential conflict between Link: and semantics - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:10:02 ... nonge_, Dashiva, karl, slightlyoff, lgombos, shepazu, Jedi, hiro, gsnedders, inimino, Hixie, paul_irish, CIA-1, gavin, Philip, pingo, wilhelm, krijnhuman, jgraham, pimpbot,
17:10:04 rubys: Call for Consensus closes Dec 7
17:10:04 ... [tm], johndrinkwater, rektide, webben, trackbot, hsivonen, heycam|away, jmb
17:10:06 ISSUE-181?
17:10:06 ISSUE-181 -- remove remains of "sidebar" link relation -- open
17:10:06 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/181
17:10:07 Title: ISSUE-181: remove remains of "sidebar" link relation - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:10:10 rubys: Call for Counter or Alternate Change Proposals closes Jan 7
17:10:14 ISSUE-182?
17:10:14 ISSUE-182 -- Advice in spec about annotations promotes inaccessible content -- raised
17:10:14 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/182
17:10:15 Title: ISSUE-182: Advice in spec about annotations promotes inaccessible content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:10:20 rubys: Call for Proposals closes Jan 7
17:10:26 ISSUE-183?
17:10:26 ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element -- open
17:10:26 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
17:10:27 Title: ISSUE-183: Enhance and simplify the time element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:10:28 ISSUE-184?
17:10:28 ISSUE-184 -- Add a data element -- open
17:10:28 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184
17:10:30 Title: ISSUE-184: Add a data element - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:10:30 ISSUE-185?
17:10:31 ISSUE-185 -- Drop the pubdate attribute -- open
17:10:33 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/185
17:10:34 Title: ISSUE-185: Drop the pubdate attribute - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:10:38 rubys: Call for Proposals on all three closes Jan 7
17:10:51 what was the feedback?
17:10:54 rubys: we have proposals on all three, feedback has been posted for them
17:11:03 ... feedback was posted on the list
17:11:24 ... links to feedback are in the agenda
17:11:43 thanks hober
17:11:45 Topic: New Surveys this week
17:11:51 rubys: there are none
17:11:55 Topic: Decisions this week
17:11:59 rubys: there are none
17:12:02 Topic: Other Business
17:12:13 Open Web Platform Weekly Summary (2011-11-14 to 2011-11-20)
17:12:18 http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/11/openweb-weekly-20.html
17:12:19 Title: Open Web Platform Weekly Summary - 2011-11-14 - 2011-11-20 - W3C Blog (at www.w3.org)
17:12:31 http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/11/openweb-weekly-21.html
17:12:32 Title: Open Web Platform Weekly Summary - 2011-11-21 - 2011-11-28 - W3C Blog (at www.w3.org)
17:12:33 q+ to ask about W3C and WhatWG specs being out of sync
17:12:52 rubys: Dec meeting schedule
17:13:03 ... no meeting on dec 29th
17:13:13 ... otherwise dec. weekly meetings will proceed as normal
17:13:23 Zakim, unmute me
17:13:23 Julian should no longer be muted
17:13:29 ack Julian:
17:13:56 Julian: do we have an update about the status of the html wg / whatwg specs being out of sync?
17:14:02 Zakim, unmute me
17:14:02 Julian was not muted, Julian
17:14:03 rubys: we are actively working it
17:14:06 Zakim, mute me
17:14:06 Julian should now be muted
17:14:16 ... chairs are meeting tomorrow (friday) on this
17:14:21 ... jeff jaffe is aware of this
17:14:30 ... we're looking at 9 separate ways to deal with this
17:14:32 +Cynthia_Shelly
17:14:43 ... we don't have a resolution yet, but it is a priority for us to deal with
17:15:02 Zakim, q+ to mention 4th issue related to time
17:15:02 I see Julian, tantek on the speaker queue
17:15:07 q-
17:15:11 rubys: any other other business?
17:15:16 Zakim, unmute tantek
17:15:16 tantek should no longer be muted
17:15:31 tantek: looking at 3