IRC log of dap on 2011-11-23
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be DAP
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- ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
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- Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 23 November 2011
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- Chair: Robin_Berjon
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- Regrets: Frederick_Hirsch
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- Present+ Deepanshu_Gautam
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- UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
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- +Deepanshu_Gautam
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- Present+ Cathy_Chan
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- +Josh_Soref
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- -Josh_Soref
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- + +1.314.314.aaaa
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- -Deepanshu_Gautam
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- +Deepanshu_Gautam
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- +??P12
- 15:02:01 [AnssiK]
- zakim, ??P12 is me
- 15:02:02 [Zakim]
- +AnssiK; got it
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- +Josh_Soref
- 15:02:08 [darobin]
- Zakim, aaa is me
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- sorry, darobin, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
- 15:02:09 [AnssiK]
- Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
- 15:02:11 [darobin]
- Zakim, aaaa is me
- 15:02:11 [Zakim]
- +darobin; got it
- 15:02:22 [Kihong_Kwon]
- Present+ Kihong_Kwon
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- 15:02:26 [Josh_Soref]
- Scribe: Josh_Soref
- 15:02:32 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, who is making noise?
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- Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Deepanshu_Gautam (24%), darobin (19%)
- 15:02:57 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, mute Deepanshu_Gautam
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- Deepanshu_Gautam should now be muted
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- +??P14
- 15:03:24 [Cathy]
- zakim, ??P14 is me
- 15:03:24 [Zakim]
- +Cathy; got it
- 15:03:37 [Clarke]
- Present+ Clarke_Stevens
- 15:03:44 [Josh_Soref]
- Present+ Josh_Soref
- 15:03:51 [Josh_Soref]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 15:03:51 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
- 15:04:07 [Zakim]
- +??P16
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- +spoussa
- 15:04:12 [dom]
- Zakim, ??P16 is me
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- +dom; got it
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- +nwidell
- 15:04:42 [Josh_Soref]
- RRSAgent, make logs public
- 15:04:55 [spoussa]
- Present+ Sakari_Poussa
- 15:05:19 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft]
- 15:05:21 [Josh_Soref]
- Topic: Agenda
- 15:05:30 [Zakim]
- + +1.720.934.aabb
- 15:05:33 [darobin]
- http://www.w3.org/mid/A5572620-7342-408E-B4E7-778B0E823919@berjon.com
- 15:05:33 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: it seems we don't have many people
- 15:05:49 [Zakim]
- + +34.97.424.aacc
- 15:05:53 [Josh_Soref]
- ... Josh_Soref, thank you for the scribing again
- 15:05:58 [darobin]
- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/mar2012-f2f/
- 15:06:06 [Josh_Soref]
- ... we need to remember that the F2F dates are being selected
- 15:06:24 [dom]
- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/mar2012-f2f/results
- 15:06:32 [Josh_Soref]
- ... please be sure you fill it out if you want to have a say about the date for the F2F
- 15:06:54 [jcantera]
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- 15:06:56 [Josh_Soref]
- ... it seems that the current winner is Mar 13
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- Present+ jcantera
- 15:07:04 [darobin]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/vibration/
- 15:07:11 [Josh_Soref]
- ... The Vibration API has been published
- 15:07:36 [Josh_Soref]
- ... hopefully as it's a short spec we can move to LC very soon
- 15:07:39 [darobin]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Nov/0204.html
- 15:07:55 [Josh_Soref]
- Topic: Minutes Approval
- 15:08:06 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: I know they were sent out after the Agenda, any objections?
- 15:08:07 [Josh_Soref]
- [ none ]
- 15:08:13 [Josh_Soref]
- RESOLUTION: Minutes from last week are approved
- 15:08:17 [Josh_Soref]
- Topic: Web Intents TF
- 15:08:20 [darobin]
- http://www.w3.org/mid/CAO800SxJtMp6+UyV4d1Z3CPE5VvL8CeOJd=pFEd6Ep8Dk5zLTQ@mail.gmail.com
- 15:08:22 [Travis]
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- darobin: It has now started, and there is a ML called public-web-intents
- 15:08:47 [Josh_Soref]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-intents/
- 15:09:04 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: one thing that would be useful is to look at the current APIs we have
- 15:09:14 [Josh_Soref]
- ... and see if we can work out whether they can be worked
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- q+
- 15:09:28 [Josh_Soref]
- ... into using Intents
- 15:09:33 [darobin]
- Zakim, [Microsoft] is Travis
- 15:09:33 [Zakim]
- +Travis; got it
- 15:09:51 [jcantera]
- Zakim, aacc is me
- 15:09:51 [Zakim]
- +jcantera; got it
- 15:09:54 [darobin]
- Josh_Soref: my plan is to look at moving Contacts and potentially Calendar towards intents model
- 15:09:57 [darobin]
- ack Josh_Soref
- 15:09:59 [Zakim]
- + +1.781.534.aadd
- 15:10:05 [lgombos]
- Present+ Laszlo_Gombos
- 15:10:06 [darobin]
- ... I might try a hypothetical thermometer API
- 15:10:13 [darobin]
- ... Contacts is mostly lookup
- 15:10:18 [darobin]
- q+ for writeback
- 15:10:35 [darobin]
- ... Thermometer is more about pairing — different case, different way of working
- 15:11:01 [darobin]
- ACTION: Josh to investigate using intents for Contacts, perhaps Calendar and Thermometer
- 15:11:01 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-491 - Investigate using intents for Contacts, perhaps Calendar and Thermometer [on Josh Soref - due 2011-11-30].
- 15:11:04 [darobin]
- ack me
- 15:11:04 [Zakim]
- darobin, you wanted to discuss writeback
- 15:11:13 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: you mentioned Contacts being a simple lookup
- 15:11:24 [Josh_Soref]
- ... you know that initially we also had a Contacts WriteBack
- 15:11:24 [Dzung_Tran]
- Should thermometer be part of sensors
- 15:11:40 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i think it might be useful to look into Writing/Deleting in Intents as well
- 15:11:54 [Josh_Soref]
- ... that might surface more interesting limits on the model
- 15:11:54 [spoussa]
- +1 for contacts write and delete
- 15:12:18 [darobin]
- Josh_Soref: would look at write and read as separate actions
- 15:12:32 [Travis]
- Present+ Travis_Leithead
- 15:12:39 [darobin]
- ... sort of thinking of it as look up contact in one action, then range action, then way to write/modify
- 15:12:48 [darobin]
- ... on either given contact or the list
- 15:13:12 [darobin]
- Robin: differnet actions ok, but probably same service
- 15:13:22 [Josh_Soref]
- s/net/ent/
- 15:13:45 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: finding the limits of Intents early is important
- 15:14:06 [Josh_Soref]
- ... so using more complicated UCs early to shake out the kinks is important
- 15:14:27 [darobin]
- Josh_Soref: two parts to read-only data sources
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- 15:14:46 [darobin]
- ... on is to throw an exception, the other is to have a separte API for writing
- 15:14:58 [Josh_Soref]
- s/on is/one is/
- 15:15:01 [darobin]
- ... exception APIs are disastrous: untested, unexpected unhandled
- 15:15:06 [darobin]
- [+1 to that]
- 15:15:15 [Josh_Soref]
- s/Robin:/darobin:/
- 15:15:39 [Josh_Soref]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-intents/2011Nov/thread.html
- 15:15:40 [darobin]
- Josh_Soref: dropping some pointers
- 15:15:50 [Josh_Soref]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-intents/2011Nov/0011.html
- 15:16:19 [darobin]
- Josh_Soref: I've posted five parts of discussion on intents
- 15:16:24 [darobin]
- ... this is part 3 about USB hubs
- 15:16:34 [darobin]
- ... with USB, devices will often have multiple profiles
- 15:16:35 [Josh_Soref]
- s/is/is in/
- 15:17:23 [darobin]
- ... makes sense to be able to ask for an input device (keyboard), then ask for mouse, but UA can suggest existing one
- 15:17:49 [darobin]
- ... so in contacts, you can say "already asked for lookup", upon write-back, UA says "hey, this service can do that too"
- 15:18:04 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: right, i see what you're getting to
- 15:18:06 [darobin]
- q?
- 15:18:08 [Dzung_Tran]
- Have the WebEvents WG looks into this for Joystick API
- 15:18:09 [darobin]
- ack jcantera
- 15:18:18 [Josh_Soref]
- ... definitely if you could look into the UC, it'd be good
- 15:18:26 [Josh_Soref]
- jcantera: I have comments on Web Intents in general
- 15:18:42 [Josh_Soref]
- ... since the TF is doing the Academic exercise that was done in the past
- 15:19:00 [Josh_Soref]
- ... the results have not been very good, creating things that implementers aren't very interested in
- 15:19:15 [Josh_Soref]
- ... I thought it was going to look at Google's input
- 15:19:30 [Josh_Soref]
- ... It would help if the Intents work would focus on already identified UCs
- 15:19:44 [Josh_Soref]
- ... And not look into things Implementers won't implement
- 15:19:54 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: the reason we're not looking at the Draft yet
- 15:20:00 [Josh_Soref]
- ... is that it hasn't been uploaded
- 15:20:17 [Josh_Soref]
- ... and we're working on Administration tasks
- 15:20:22 [Josh_Soref]
- s/tasks/work/
- 15:20:38 [Josh_Soref]
- ... once we have the Draft in hand, it will be easier to make comments on it
- 15:20:49 [Travis]
- zakim, please mute Josh_Soref
- 15:20:49 [Zakim]
- Josh_Soref should now be muted
- 15:20:51 [Josh_Soref]
- ... [ The draft has support from One, One and a half implementers ]
- 15:21:10 [Josh_Soref]
- ... Once it's available, it's important to look at Intents and see if
- 15:21:14 [Josh_Soref]
- ... it addresses the UCs
- 15:21:25 [Josh_Soref]
- ... so other groups can know if it will work for them
- 15:21:34 [Josh_Soref]
- ... does that make sense?
- 15:21:36 [Josh_Soref]
- jcantera: yes
- 15:21:39 [Josh_Soref]
- ... but if it diverges
- 15:21:53 [Josh_Soref]
- ... it may go slower than we expected
- 15:22:00 [Josh_Soref]
- ... if you have open/long discussions
- 15:22:11 [Josh_Soref]
- ... the initial `intent` is different
- 15:22:21 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: I invite you to take your concerns to the intents list
- 15:22:26 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i think you're on it
- 15:22:32 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i know you're working w/ the B2G people
- 15:22:41 [Josh_Soref]
- ... one thing that would be very valuable for the Intents TF
- 15:22:46 [Josh_Soref]
- ... would be for Mozilla to be more active
- 15:22:49 [Josh_Soref]
- q+
- 15:23:02 [Josh_Soref]
- ... I spoke to a number of Mozilla people @TPAC
- 15:23:08 [Josh_Soref]
- ... and I know they have reservations
- 15:23:10 [Josh_Soref]
- ... on Intents
- 15:23:16 [darobin]
- q?
- 15:23:27 [Josh_Soref]
- ... I know you're working closely with them, and I think it would help if you'd encourage them to share their feedback
- 15:23:41 [Josh_Soref]
- jcantera: My concern is that DAP/Mozilla/Intents are going along different paths
- 15:23:50 [Josh_Soref]
- ... it isn't your fault if Mozilla doesn't provide input
- 15:24:03 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: I'm certainly hoping that the fact that Google is submitting their Draft to the TF
- 15:24:07 [Josh_Soref]
- ... and sharing their Draft
- 15:24:18 [Josh_Soref]
- ... and Chairing the TF
- 15:24:19 [darobin]
- ack Josh_Soref
- 15:24:38 [darobin]
- Josh_Soref: I went to Moz's WebAPI meeting yesterday
- 15:24:47 [darobin]
- ... poked them to look at contacts via intents
- 15:24:56 [darobin]
- ... WebAPI meeting is mostly about B2G more than W3
- 15:25:01 [darobin]
- ... goal is to ship by end of year
- 15:25:35 [darobin]
- ... did try to convince them to give feedback on intents, both on contacts and similar things
- 15:25:44 [darobin]
- ... we need to push them more
- 15:26:02 [darobin]
- ACTION: Robin to prod DavidA and Shane about feedback on Activities/Intents
- 15:26:02 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-492 - Prod DavidA and Shane about feedback on Activities/Intents [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-11-30].
- 15:26:41 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim: mute me
- 15:26:48 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, mute me
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- Josh_Soref should now be muted
- 15:27:01 [Josh_Soref]
- q+ to comment on "native apps needing storage apis"
- 15:27:13 [Josh_Soref]
- s/Zakim: mute me//
- 15:27:26 [Josh_Soref]
- jcantera: I was on yesterday's call too
- 15:27:36 [Josh_Soref]
- ... but I think we need the contacts application
- 15:27:41 [Josh_Soref]
- ... to have a native api
- 15:27:45 [Josh_Soref]
- ... for storing and retrieving
- 15:28:13 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: I'd like to avoid spending too much time on Intents since there is a TF for it
- 15:28:24 [Josh_Soref]
- ... rather than discussing it here where we don't have the key players
- 15:28:32 [Josh_Soref]
- ... it's important to discuss it in the TF
- 15:28:39 [darobin]
- ack Josh_Soref
- 15:28:41 [Zakim]
- Josh_Soref, you wanted to comment on "native apps needing storage apis"
- 15:28:50 [Josh_Soref]
- ... jcantera, since you have ideas and are using it, it's important for you to send your feedback there
- 15:29:18 [darobin]
- Josh_Soref: contacts native store is basically IDB, they don't need an API, the API is the IDB API
- 15:29:32 [darobin]
- ... then offer services to expose APIs atop that, for search, lookup, etc.
- 15:29:41 [darobin]
- ... tried to express that but seem to have failed
- 15:29:44 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, mute me
- 15:29:44 [Zakim]
- Josh_Soref should now be muted
- 15:29:53 [Josh_Soref]
- Topic: Media Capture TF
- 15:29:58 [darobin]
- http://www.w3.org/mid/22C84B78-685C-4B6F-85E4-A12BC073D075@berjon.com
- 15:30:00 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: ... yay, another TF
- 15:30:09 [Josh_Soref]
- ... there's a Draft Charter that I put out a couple of weeks ago
- 15:30:15 [Josh_Soref]
- ... we need it to be accepted by both groups
- 15:30:22 [Josh_Soref]
- ... any objections?
- 15:30:28 [Josh_Soref]
- ... there hasn't been much discussion about it
- 15:30:31 [AnssiK]
- +1
- 15:30:41 [Josh_Soref]
- ... there was a little feedback from Travis
- 15:30:49 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, who is making noise?
- 15:30:55 [Josh_Soref]
- XXX: I'm in favor
- 15:31:01 [Zakim]
- Josh_Soref, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: darobin (60%)
- 15:31:06 [Josh_Soref]
- ... have we had any feedback from WebRTC?
- 15:31:19 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: hearing no objection, and some support
- 15:31:24 [Josh_Soref]
- ... resolution for accepting it?
- 15:31:33 [Josh_Soref]
- ... the Mailing List isn't up yet
- 15:31:38 [Travis]
- Excellent.
- 15:31:39 [Josh_Soref]
- ... it comes after the Charter is accepted
- 15:31:43 [darobin]
- s/XXX/Travis/
- 15:31:44 [Josh_Soref]
- s/XXX/Travis/
- 15:31:55 [AnssiK]
- q+
- 15:32:01 [Josh_Soref]
- RESOLUTION: Accept Media Capture TF Charter
- 15:32:02 [darobin]
- ack AnssiK
- 15:32:07 [Josh_Soref]
- Topic: Battery API LC
- 15:32:12 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: since CfC
- 15:32:18 [Josh_Soref]
- ... the spec got reviewed by the implementer
- 15:32:20 [AnssiK]
- http://www.w3.org/mid/DC3F966B-34F0-42E1-9DEF-0D3FA45DF8EC@nokia.com
- 15:32:31 [Josh_Soref]
- ... we received feedback and spotted some bugs in the spec
- 15:32:40 [Josh_Soref]
- ... we've corrected them
- 15:32:49 [Josh_Soref]
- ... the spec should be finally aligned with the implementation
- 15:32:54 [Josh_Soref]
- ... so I think we're ready to move to LC
- 15:32:58 [AnssiK]
- +1
- 15:33:05 [lgombos]
- +1
- 15:33:07 [dom]
- +1
- 15:33:08 [spoussa]
- +1
- 15:33:09 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: Any objections to moving battery to LC?
- 15:33:13 [Josh_Soref]
- [ None ]
- 15:33:16 [dom]
- Yay!
- 15:33:19 [darobin]
- ACTION: Robin to publish Battery API as LC, transition request it
- 15:33:20 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-493 - Publish Battery API as LC, transition request it [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-11-30].
- 15:33:35 [Josh_Soref]
- RESOLUTION: Move Battery API to LC
- 15:33:40 [Josh_Soref]
- Topic: Sensor API
- 15:33:46 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: there's been discussion on the list
- 15:34:02 [Josh_Soref]
- jcantera: we've received many feedbacks
- 15:34:10 [Josh_Soref]
- ... both on the B2G list and also the DAP list
- 15:34:22 [Josh_Soref]
- ... there were some mistakes in the WebIDL syntax in the Spec
- 15:34:29 [Josh_Soref]
- ... which were pointed out on the B2G list
- 15:34:41 [Josh_Soref]
- ... there was feedback from Claes concerning the list of Find methods
- 15:34:51 [Josh_Soref]
- ... the idea is
- 15:35:03 [Josh_Soref]
- ... the group is exploring the idea of Intents as a way of doing Discovery
- 15:35:18 [Josh_Soref]
- ... one of the options is not to cover Discovery in the Sensor API
- 15:35:21 [darobin]
- q+ next steps: keep iterating since discussions are working out; bother with process stuff later
- 15:35:38 [Josh_Soref]
- ... or only have a list method to find a way to cover local sensors on the device
- 15:35:41 [darobin]
- q+ to talk about next steps: keep iterating since discussions are working out; bother with process stuff later
- 15:35:48 [Josh_Soref]
- ... I favor having a way to see local sensors
- 15:35:54 [Josh_Soref]
- ... and use Intents for sensor discovery
- 15:35:56 [Josh_Soref]
- q+ to object
- 15:36:06 [Josh_Soref]
- ... there was also a discussion concerning Ranges
- 15:36:13 [Josh_Soref]
- ... and differing sensor data
- 15:36:22 [Josh_Soref]
- ... I think Sun was involved in that
- 15:36:55 [darobin]
- s/Sun/Dzung/
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- 15:37:02 [jcantera]
- https://github.com/jmcanterafonseca/SensorGapPlugin
- 15:37:24 [Josh_Soref]
- jcantera: I presented a sensor plugin @TPAC
- 15:37:33 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i think it's way to get more feedback from the developer community
- 15:37:34 [nwidell]
- Present+ Niklas_Widell
- 15:37:38 [Josh_Soref]
- ... the next step with sensors is
- 15:37:46 [darobin]
- q?
- 15:37:48 [Josh_Soref]
- ... collecting/addressing the feedback we've received
- 15:37:59 [Josh_Soref]
- ... and then try to publish a WD on Sensors
- 15:38:11 [darobin]
- ack me
- 15:38:11 [Josh_Soref]
- ... and get more feedback from W3 community in general
- 15:38:11 [Zakim]
- darobin, you wanted to talk about next steps: keep iterating since discussions are working out; bother with process stuff later
- 15:38:24 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: what i'm hearing/seeing in the discussions
- 15:38:29 [Josh_Soref]
- ... is there's a good level of interest
- 15:38:35 [Josh_Soref]
- ... and you have quite a lot of feedback to integrate
- 15:38:41 [Josh_Soref]
- jcantera: yes, we need to do that in the next week
- 15:38:52 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: before we jump to publication, i think it would be good to integrate that feedback
- 15:39:05 [Josh_Soref]
- ... otherwise we'd publish a draft behind what we know in terms of feedback
- 15:39:14 [Josh_Soref]
- ... so next step is to update to incorporate your feedback
- 15:39:20 [Deep]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 15:39:20 [Zakim]
- Deepanshu_Gautam should no longer be muted
- 15:39:22 [Zakim]
- -darobin
- 15:39:27 [darobin]
- oh oh
- 15:39:34 [Josh_Soref]
- ... and then ping the list
- 15:39:44 [Josh_Soref]
- ... Thanks for coordinating the discussion over multiple lists
- 15:39:53 [Zakim]
- +darobin
- 15:40:19 [Josh_Soref]
- [ darobin explains his drop is due to poor provisioning ]
- 15:40:30 [AnssiK]
- q+
- 15:40:33 [Josh_Soref]
- Topic: AOB
- 15:40:34 [AnssiK]
- should we try to enforce a ML netiquette on public-device-apis similar to http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/WorkMode#Mail_List_Policy.2C_Usage.2C_Etiquette.2C_etc. or http://www.w3.org/mid/CAACrNNfYMJJpWQ1U=hAk62O+VDcwvPeSg7g6WgYzFuL38RrXNA@mail.gmail.com
- 15:40:35 [darobin]
- ack AnssiK
- 15:40:46 [dom]
- q+ to mention staff contacts transition
- 15:41:01 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: I wonder if we should try to ensure proper etiquette on the ML
- 15:41:10 [Josh_Soref]
- ... I see that Josh_Soref raised this on the Web Intents ML
- 15:41:20 [Josh_Soref]
- ... should we raise this, things like "no top posting"
- 15:41:23 [Josh_Soref]
- ... we have new people
- 15:41:30 [dom]
- (not sure about enforcing, but reminding at least?)
- 15:41:35 [Josh_Soref]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-intents/2011Nov/0028.html
- 15:41:45 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: i'm asking the Chairs to remind people
- 15:41:55 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: I agree with dom, enforcing is hard
- 15:41:59 [Josh_Soref]
- ... but i'm happy to remind people
- 15:42:10 [Josh_Soref]
- ... and I can add a link to the wiki
- 15:42:21 [Josh_Soref]
- AnssiK: right, Notify/Inform people
- 15:42:30 [Josh_Soref]
- ... it isn't documented in the DAP wiki
- 15:42:38 [Josh_Soref]
- ... WebApps has guidance
- 15:42:41 [darobin]
- ACTION: Robin to email the list about email etiquette and link from the wiki to WebApp's etiquette
- 15:42:41 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-494 - Email the list about email etiquette and link from the wiki to WebApp's etiquette [on Robin Berjon - due 2011-11-30].
- 15:42:48 [Josh_Soref]
- ... and Josh_Soref posted his to the Intents ML
- 15:43:01 [Josh_Soref]
- ... ideally all groups would have the same netiquette for MLs
- 15:43:09 [Josh_Soref]
- ... it seems silly to have divergence
- 15:43:13 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: I agree with you on principle
- 15:43:30 [Josh_Soref]
- ... that said, it's likely there's a netiquette page *somewhere* on the w3c site
- 15:43:35 [dom]
- http://www.w3.org/Mail/ links to Mail Etiquette http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt under "Policies"
- 15:43:44 [Josh_Soref]
- ... I encourage you to raise your concern to the new Process group
- 15:43:52 [Josh_Soref]
- ... this is something that can be raised in Charters
- 15:43:52 [darobin]
- ack dom
- 15:43:52 [Zakim]
- dom, you wanted to mention staff contacts transition
- 15:44:29 [Josh_Soref]
- dom: I will be transitioning out of DAP in the coming months
- 15:44:37 [Josh_Soref]
- ... dsr will be the staff contact in my stead
- 15:44:41 [darobin]
- RESOLUTION: Dom rocks!
- 15:44:47 [Josh_Soref]
- ... i will be taking over francois's responsibilities in WebRTC
- 15:44:58 [Josh_Soref]
- ... heads up that dsr is now in charge
- 15:45:06 [Josh_Soref]
- ... questions on the group should now be addressed to dsr
- 15:45:19 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: definitely a huge thanks to you dom, for the work you've done
- 15:45:20 [Travis]
- +1
- 15:45:23 [Josh_Soref]
- +1
- 15:45:32 [darobin]
- q?
- 15:45:33 [Josh_Soref]
- s/+1/Josh_Soref: +1
- 15:45:36 [darobin]
- ack Josh_Soref
- 15:45:37 [Zakim]
- Josh_Soref, you wanted to object
- 15:46:02 [darobin]
- Josh_Soref: Sensors... suggestion of having an API for local sensors
- 15:46:53 [darobin]
- ... shouldn't be a difference between local/remote, should be hidden, not exposed to the Web
- 15:46:59 [darobin]
- ... no fingerprinting
- 15:47:14 [darobin]
- darobin: send it to jcantera's big pile of feedback
- 15:47:24 [darobin]
- jcantera: not only local sensors
- 15:47:36 [darobin]
- ... one of the methods, list(), only lists local sensors
- 15:47:40 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, mute me
- 15:47:40 [Zakim]
- Josh_Soref should now be muted
- 15:47:50 [darobin]
- ... but it can be the same for remote
- 15:47:57 [darobin]
- ... it's a common interface
- 15:48:04 [darobin]
- ... one I have a sensor, get connection, data
- 15:48:23 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: this discussion should be captured in mail
- 15:48:28 [dom]
- q+ to ask duration of battery lc
- 15:48:35 [darobin]
- ack dom
- 15:48:35 [Zakim]
- dom, you wanted to ask duration of battery lc
- 15:48:36 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 15:48:39 [Zakim]
- Josh_Soref should no longer be muted
- 15:48:43 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, mute me
- 15:48:43 [Zakim]
- Josh_Soref should now be muted
- 15:48:49 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: minimum is 3 weeks
- 15:48:54 [Josh_Soref]
- ... but i'm open to longer if needed
- 15:48:58 [Josh_Soref]
- ... any opinions
- 15:49:22 [Josh_Soref]
- dom: there's a YYY of Dec 15
- 15:49:27 [Josh_Soref]
- ... 3 weeks might be short
- 15:49:38 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: i'm fine with making a LC that goes a bit into January
- 15:49:56 [Josh_Soref]
- ... it's not like transitioning right before Christmas does us much good
- 15:50:09 [Josh_Soref]
- dom: let's go to Dec 16
- 15:50:15 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: oh you want the end of the week
- 15:50:18 [darobin]
- q?
- 15:50:26 [Josh_Soref]
- s/there's a YYY of/three weeks is/
- 15:50:29 [Josh_Soref]
- darobin: thank you very much
- 15:50:32 [Josh_Soref]
- ... see you next week
- 15:50:34 [Zakim]
- -AnssiK
- 15:50:36 [Zakim]
- -dom
- 15:50:37 [Zakim]
- -nwidell
- 15:50:37 [Zakim]
- -spoussa
- 15:50:38 [Zakim]
- -Deepanshu_Gautam
- 15:50:40 [Zakim]
- -Cathy
- 15:50:41 [Zakim]
- -darobin
- 15:50:42 [Josh_Soref]
- Zakim, end telco
- 15:50:42 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'end telco', Josh_Soref
- 15:50:44 [Zakim]
- -Travis
- 15:50:51 [Josh_Soref]
- RRSAgent, make minutes
- 15:50:51 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
- 15:50:56 [Zakim]
- - +1.720.934.aabb
- 15:50:56 [Josh_Soref]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 15:50:56 [RRSAgent]
- I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-dap-actions.rdf :
- 15:50:56 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Josh to investigate using intents for Contacts, perhaps Calendar and Thermometer [1]
- 15:50:56 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-dap-irc#T15-11-01
- 15:50:56 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Robin to prod DavidA and Shane about feedback on Activities/Intents [2]
- 15:50:56 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-dap-irc#T15-26-02
- 15:50:56 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Robin to publish Battery API as LC, transition request it [3]
- 15:50:56 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-dap-irc#T15-33-19
- 15:50:56 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Robin to email the list about email etiquette and link from the wiki to WebApp's etiquette [4]
- 15:50:56 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/23-dap-irc#T15-42-41
- 15:51:06 [Zakim]
- -Josh_Soref