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16:52:38 <burn> zakim, this will be htmlspeech
16:52:38 <Zakim> ok, burn; I see INC_(HTMLSPEECH)11:30AM scheduled to start 22 minutes ago
16:53:09 <burn> Chair:  Dan_Burnett
16:53:25 <burn> Agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Nov/0058.html
16:54:36 <burn> trackbot, start telcon
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16:54:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 
16:54:40 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
16:54:41 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Speech Incubator Group Teleconference
16:54:41 <trackbot> Date: 10 November 2011
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16:58:32 <Zakim> +Dan_Burnett
16:59:09 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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17:00:09 <burn> zakim, aaaa is Glen_Shires
17:00:09 <Zakim> +Glen_Shires; got it
17:00:12 <smaug> Zakim, [IPcaller] is Olli_Pettay
17:00:12 <Zakim> +Olli_Pettay; got it
17:00:19 <smaug> Zakim, nick smaug is Olli_Pettay
17:00:19 <Zakim> ok, smaug, I now associate you with Olli_Pettay
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17:02:04 <burn> zakim, aabb is Patrick_Ehlen
17:02:04 <Zakim> +Patrick_Ehlen; got it
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17:05:34 <smaug>  /me doesn't even have a chair
17:05:34 <burn> Scribe:  Patrick_Ehlen
17:05:54 <burn> ScribeNick: ehlen
17:05:59 <burn> Agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Nov/0058.html
17:06:19 <ehlen> Topic: Review of updated final report draft
17:06:40 <Zakim> +Charles_Hemphill
17:06:42 <burn> Report draft is in this email:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Nov/0061.html
17:07:32 <Zakim> + +1.760.705.aacc
17:07:34 <ehlen> Dan: Manually merged changed instead of applying add'l edits
17:07:44 <ehlen> s/changed/changes/
17:07:47 <burn> zakim, aacc is Satish_Sampath
17:07:47 <Zakim> +Satish_Sampath; got it
17:08:20 <ehlen> Issue 1
17:08:26 <ehlen> Topic: Issue 1
17:09:12 <ehlen> Glenn: Change in IDL in sec 7.1.4. resultDeleted event
17:10:03 <ehlen> Glenn: There's also an event for this (SpeechInputResultDeleted). 
17:10:46 <burn> s/Glenn: Change/Michael: Change/
17:11:07 <burn> s/Glenn: There's/Michael: There's/
17:11:58 <mbodell> link to the section with most of the changes: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/htmlspeech/finalreport/XGR-htmlspeech.html#speechinputrequest-section
17:12:56 <ehlen> Topic: Moving explanation of "final" to end of section
17:13:32 <ehlen> Topic: Protocol issue 3
17:13:33 <ehlen> Added Result-Index header field
17:14:04 <ehlen> burn: changes are in a few different places; 1st in reco headers section. 
17:14:33 <ehlen> burn: now adds a # of 1-20 digits, and added a description
17:16:29 <ehlen> Topic: API issue 3: Updated re-reco example to use Robert's new version
17:18:26 <ehlen> all agree example looks good
17:18:38 <mbodell> Link to new section on EMMA mappings: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/htmlspeech/finalreport/XGR-htmlspeech.html#emma-to-interpretation
17:18:40 <ehlen> Topic: API issue 4: Wrote up the EMMA mappings.  This involved a new section explaining the mappings and an example to illustrate it
17:20:27 <ehlen> michael: explains mapping section and example added
17:20:59 <ehlen> michael: in section 7.1.5
17:22:31 <burn> this should be a static dated version of the current doc:  http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/htmlspeech/finalreport/XGR-htmlspeech-20111110.html
17:22:57 <ehlen> smaug: Specify whether ? in emma spec is required
17:23:00 <mbodell> link to emma element: http://www.w3.org/TR/emma/#s3.1
17:23:41 <ehlen> can probably do just emma specification but leave out location and xsi
17:24:02 <ehlen> s/? in/all the emma namespace stuff in/
17:24:18 <ehlen> ddahl1: does not appear to be required
17:24:48 <ehlen> charles: looks like xmlns:emma only can be used
17:24:59 <ehlen> ddahl1: and the version
17:25:12 <ehlen> s/version/emma:emma version/
17:25:33 <ehlen> michael will drop the 3 lines assoc. with xsi stuff
17:27:03 <ehlen> topic: API Issue 5: Brought back the grammar/parameter functions.  This involved uncommenting the functions/explanations, adding a new one for grammarString, and renaming and rewording appropriately.
17:27:08 <mbodell> Back to http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/htmlspeech/finalreport/XGR-htmlspeech.html#speechinputrequest-section
17:27:46 <ehlen> Brought back some of the API grammar functions
17:28:42 <ehlen> satish: seems fine
17:29:13 <Zakim> +Michael_Johnston
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17:29:48 <ehlen> burn: On issue 5, there was another resolution on built-in default; still needs to be done?
17:29:52 <ehlen> mbodell: yes
17:31:01 <ehlen> satish: needs array manipulation funcs?
17:31:22 <ehlen> burn: better to leave the way it is now; can revisit delete capability later on
17:32:27 <ehlen> smaug: misleading names on 7.1.4.2
17:32:55 <ehlen> e.g., "Speech Input Request" (w/ spaces)
17:34:32 <ehlen> michael will do that
17:34:42 <ehlen> s/michael/mbodell/
17:35:09 <ehlen> Topic; API Issue 6: Shortend the naming of resultEMMAXML and resultEMMAText to no longer have the result.  They would nearly always be referenced from result property anyways so this just changes result.resultEMMAText to result.EMMAText)
17:35:31 <ehlen> no objections
17:35:37 <glen> Add clarification at end of description of AddGrammarElement method. "Note that grammars can be removed through direct maniplulation of the grammar array."
17:35:40 <ehlen> API Issue 10: Added text property to TTS with explanation and also included statement about xml:lang
17:35:48 <mbodell> See section: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/htmlspeech/finalreport/XGR-htmlspeech.html#tts-section
17:36:04 <Zakim> -Glen_Shires
17:36:40 <Zakim> +Glen_Shires
17:37:12 <ehlen> no requests for changes around text attribute
17:37:28 <ehlen> burn: Section 7.1.3 language
17:38:25 <ehlen> burn: language on "should use base64 encoding" is ambiguous
17:39:28 <ehlen> burn: people can probably figure out when they need to use base64 in UA
17:39:55 <ehlen> burn: those are all of the changes that have been applied so far
17:40:26 <ehlen> burn: will have more time in next few days to work on it
17:40:35 <ehlen> burn: practical issue: last date for call is next week
17:40:54 <ehlen> burn: we could (a) end call now and make more changes; or (b) try to do them live now during the call
17:41:07 <ehlen> burn: could also describe how everything gets done and reviewed
17:41:35 <ehlen> MichaelJ: discussed EMMA mapping yet?
17:41:43 <mbodell> e,,a at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/htmlspeech/finalreport/XGR-htmlspeech.html#emma-to-interpretation
17:42:19 <ehlen> MichaelJ: wasn't sure about "Boston flight 311" and then interpretation being "Boston"; could probably come up with more clear string->meaning mapping
17:42:56 <ehlen> MichaelJ: What is assumption on what ends up in interpretation?
17:43:45 <ehlen> MichaelJ: So a DOM object is hanging off interpretation?
17:44:22 <ehlen> mbodell: is "any"; could be EMMA literal, or XML DOM document
17:44:47 <ehlen> mbodell: it's all javascript
17:45:52 <ehlen> MichaelJ: Other case is where it's a JSON payload; so interpretation would contain JSON?
17:46:05 <ehlen> mbodell: didn't have any mapping for that; only literals and xml
17:46:25 <ehlen> MichaelJ: so we may want to consider having JSON within literal in CDATA
17:46:54 <ehlen> mbodell: not CDATA; just a string
17:46:59 <Michael> <emma:literal><![CDATA[ {_cmd:"CALL",_obj:"joe_bloggs"}]]></emma:literal>
17:47:18 <Zakim> -Satish_Sampath
17:48:40 <ehlen> mbodell: these will be normal javascript properties
17:49:27 <ehlen> mbodell: based on what's there, if you have emma:literal, you just get a string with that value
17:49:48 <ehlen> MichaelJ: but there are attribs in EMMA 1.0 that describe what type of data you have
17:50:39 <ehlen> mbodell: if you want to eval your content, you can do it in javascript
17:51:24 <ehlen> MichaelJ: that's reasonable. could modify this down the line, but you can always eval or parse it
17:51:31 <mbodell> For context the description og sting literal in emma is: http://www.w3.org/TR/emma/#s3.5
17:51:40 <mbodell> s/og/of/
17:52:00 <ehlen> burn: open again for use of remaining time
17:52:31 <ehlen> ddahl1: is there a deadline for sending comments to list, and how should time be allocated in general?
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17:53:08 <ehlen> burn: editing references can wait until end (or even after)
17:53:41 <ehlen> burn: if anyone had updates for exmaples, send them to list
17:53:50 <ehlen> s/exmaples/examples/
17:54:06 <ehlen> burn: a few other issues that require more substantive text:
17:54:26 <ehlen> burn: such as text around issue 11 on bindings
17:54:40 <ehlen> burn: understand that more work needs to happen here and there are gotchas
17:54:43 <ehlen> 11, 17, 18 related
17:54:51 <ehlen> mbodell will take a crack at that
17:55:25 <ehlen> burn: michael was also going to take issue 10
17:55:35 <ehlen> Michael will also do 23
17:55:40 <ehlen> 22 still needs to be done
17:55:45 <ehlen> burn will do 22
17:56:21 <ehlen> mbodell already did 10
17:56:40 <ehlen> burn: 8 and 13 are on switching to collections from arrays
17:56:45 <Zakim> -Glen_Shires
17:56:51 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
17:57:06 <ehlen> burn: good exmaple from Satish on making it look like FileList
17:57:23 <ehlen> s/exmaple/example/
17:57:40 <ehlen> MichaelJ: send example w/ literal w/ semantics
17:57:44 <ehlen> s/send/sent/
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17:58:23 <ehlen> burn: aligning adjustment of requirements
17:58:32 <ehlen> burn will take that one
17:58:43 <ehlen> burn: how do we wrap up effectively?
17:59:00 <Avery> Sorry I'm late
17:59:17 <ehlen> burn: can contentful changes be done by, say, tuesday?
17:59:33 <ehlen> burn: gives time for review by thursday
17:59:45 <ehlen> burn: other option is a very slight extension to beginning of december
18:00:05 <ehlen> mbodell: let's just aim to get content in by tuesday
18:00:18 <ehlen> mbodell: other changes can go over email
18:00:27 <ehlen> burn: would prefer that as well
18:00:52 <ehlen> burn: sounds like it's just a matter of getting those changes in
18:01:06 <ehlen> burn: next and finall call is in one week
18:01:14 <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay
18:01:14 <Avery> I might be able to make it Thursday
18:01:15 <ehlen> s/finall/final/
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18:01:22 <Zakim> -Dan_Burnett
18:01:23 <Zakim> -Michael_Johnston
18:01:23 <Zakim> -Dan_Druta
18:01:25 <Zakim> -Patrick_Ehlen
18:01:40 <Zakim> -Charles_Hemphill
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18:04:24 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
18:04:24 <Zakim> INC_(HTMLSPEECH)11:30AM has ended
18:04:26 <Zakim> Attendees were Dan_Burnett, Dan_Druta, +1.650.253.aaaa, Glen_Shires, Olli_Pettay, Michael_Bodell, Debbie_Dahl, +1.818.237.aabb, Patrick_Ehlen, Charles_Hemphill, +1.760.705.aacc,
18:04:28 <Zakim> ... Satish_Sampath, Michael_Johnston, [Microsoft]
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