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13:43:53 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes
13:43:54 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
13:43:54 <trackbot> Date: 26 October 2011
13:44:14 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Oct/0075.html
13:44:59 <fjh> Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:45:04 <fjh> Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
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13:58:39 <Clarke> zakim, aacc is me
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13:58:49 <jcantera> Present+ Jose_Cantera
13:58:57 <Clarke> Present+ Clarke_Stevens
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14:00:30 <AnssiK> zakim, who is on the call
14:00:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', AnssiK
14:00:40 <Zakim> +??P15
14:00:42 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:00:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see spoussa, jcantera, Clarke, AnssiK, fjh, ??P15
14:00:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see AnssiK, Clarke, SungOk, spoussa, jcantera, fjh__, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tmpsantos, richt, darobin, lgombos, wmaslowski, Josh_Soref, ilkka, ingmar, trackbot, dom
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14:01:22 <darobin> Zakim, ??P15 is me
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14:01:27 <Zakim> +richt
14:01:36 <richt> Present+ Rich_Tibbett
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14:01:59 <fjh> Regrets+ Josh_Soref
14:02:04 <Cathy> Present+ Cathy_Chan
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14:02:27 <dom> Zakim, ??P17 is me
14:02:27 <Zakim> +dom; got it
14:02:33 <dom> Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
14:02:44 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:02:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see spoussa, jcantera, Clarke, AnssiK, fjh, darobin, richt, dom
14:02:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see Cathy, AnssiK, Clarke, SungOk, spoussa, jcantera, fjh__, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tmpsantos, richt, darobin, lgombos, Josh_Soref, ilkka, ingmar, trackbot, dom
14:02:58 <Clarke> Could I get a minute on the agenda to discuss distribution of the CableLabs discovery implementation?
14:03:24 <richt> ScribeNick: richt
14:03:33 <richt> Topic: Administrative
14:03:45 <richt> fjh: Timezone change on the first Monday of TPAC
14:04:00 <richt> fjh: May affect people dialling in.
14:04:07 <richt> fjh: TPAC agenda is finalized.
14:04:13 <fjh> TPAC final agenda , see http://www.w3.org/2011/11/TPAC/
14:04:21 <Zakim> +??P18
14:04:27 <fjh> Plenary day info http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2011
14:04:34 <Zakim> +??P19
14:04:43 <richt> fjh: Any other announcements?
14:04:48 <richt> [no other announcements]
14:04:51 <Cathy> Zakim, ??P18 is me
14:04:51 <Zakim> +Cathy; got it
14:04:51 <richt> Topic: TPAC F2F
14:04:56 <fjh> Draft agenda - http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/F2F_Agenda_3-4_November_2011,_Santa_Clara_(TPAC)
14:05:12 <SungOk> Zakim, ??P19 is me
14:05:12 <Zakim> +SungOk; got it
14:05:24 <fjh> proposal is to have breaks 10-10:30, lunch 12-1, break 3:30-4
14:06:21 <fjh> afternoon break, 3:3:30 might be better on day 1, 
14:07:05 <Josh_Soref> i'm going to be a bit late on thursday morning. i have an appointment with santa clara municipality @9am. i should be on site by 9:45 and hopefully on the call by 9:25
14:07:33 <richt> fjh: Anything on the agenda that needs adjusting?
14:07:50 <Zakim> + +46.1.08.00.aadd
14:07:52 <richt> darobin: Anything on privacy as a topic?
14:08:06 <richt> darobin: Privacy IG going to be around?
14:08:10 <richt> fjh: Will look in to it.
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14:08:39 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:08:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see spoussa, jcantera, Clarke, AnssiK, fjh, darobin, richt, dom, Cathy, SungOk, +46.1.08.00.aadd
14:08:40 <Claes> Present+ Claes_Nilsson
14:08:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see Anders, Claes, Cathy, AnssiK, Clarke, SungOk, spoussa, jcantera, fjh__, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tmpsantos, richt, darobin, lgombos, Josh_Soref, ilkka, ingmar, trackbot,
14:08:44 <Zakim> ... dom
14:08:47 <Anders> Present+ Anders Isberg
14:09:02 <richt> fjh: Anything else for the F2F?
14:09:07 <AnssiK> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
14:09:29 <fjh> web & tv, API approaches and rationale - http://www.w3.org/wiki/API_Design_Approaches_and_the_Rationales_for_Them
14:09:39 <richt> Topic: Discovery
14:09:57 <richt> fjh: List discussion. Clarke you want to introduce an implementation?
14:10:16 <richt> Clarke: Just wondering how to share an implementation?
14:10:27 <richt> fjh: Uploading something is a good approach.
14:10:46 <richt> darobin: A link to where the implementation can be retrieved?
14:10:58 <dom> you could also send "it" to www-archive@w3.org
14:11:29 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer
14:11:40 <dom> that will archive it in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/
14:12:50 <richt> Clarke: we've implemented a Java Applet to enable discovery + 3 demos to play with.
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14:13:26 <richt> Clarke: It's for demo purposes. Not a production piece of software.
14:14:20 <richt> Clarke: [discusses individual demos]
14:14:37 <richt> Clarke, could you provide more details in the demo link you will provide?
14:15:01 <richt> Clarke: One more thing...
14:15:02 <richt> :)
14:15:18 <richt> Clarke: We've tested this on most browsers and it *usually* works.
14:15:41 <richt> darobin: doesn't need to be production-level but really great to have a demo to play with.
14:15:56 <richt> Clarke: Will be demoing this during the TPAC Plenary talk.
14:16:06 <fjh> during web and tv session
14:16:43 <richt> Topic: Vibration API
14:16:48 <AnssiK> q+
14:16:53 <fjh> ack AnssiK
14:16:57 <richt> fjh: Anyone on the call that can speak to that?
14:17:26 <richt> AnssiK: We have Mozilla's implementation. Asked Mozilla if they want to contribute their proposal to this WG. Awaiting a reply.
14:17:45 <richt> AnssiK: Wonder if it would be helpful to create a spec based on what Mozilla currently have.
14:18:31 <richt> AnssiK: So is that useful?
14:18:33 <fjh> I think it would be useful
14:18:34 <richt> darobin: I think so.
14:19:17 <fjh> action: anssik to produce initial vibration api spec
14:19:17 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - anssik
14:19:29 <richt> AnssiK: OK, I'll make this in to a spec and then we can discuss it further.
14:19:31 <fjh> action: anssi to produce initial vibration api spec
14:19:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-458 - Produce initial vibration api spec [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2011-11-02].
14:20:06 <fjh> ACTION-458: Start with Mozilla API proposal
14:20:07 <trackbot> ACTION-458 Produce initial vibration api spec notes added
14:21:40 <richt> dom: We should mention this plan to Mozilla and we will discuss on the Task Force mailing list for now.
14:21:56 <dom> s/Task Force/main Working Group/
14:22:07 <richt> fjh: Or send a note to the TF mailing saying it's being discussed on the WG ML.
14:22:14 <fjh> ack jantera
14:22:27 <richt> ack jcantera
14:23:08 <fjh> ack jcantera
14:23:38 <richt> jcantera: I can provide some input on Vibration from working in this field.
14:23:46 <darobin> ... with Immersion
14:23:48 <richt> jcantera: ...at the TPAC F2F.
14:24:05 <richt> jcantera: Most of the time you can't control the intensity of the vibration.
14:24:11 <darobin> http://immersion.com/
14:24:20 <richt> jcantera: Hopefully such implementors feedback will be helpful.
14:24:35 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:24:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see spoussa, jcantera, Clarke, AnssiK, fjh, darobin, richt, dom, Cathy, SungOk, +46.1.08.00.aadd, Joseph_Scheuhammer
14:24:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see Russell_Berkoff, Claes, Cathy, AnssiK, Clarke, SungOk, spoussa, jcantera, fjh__, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tmpsantos, richt, darobin, lgombos, Josh_Soref, ilkka, ingmar,
14:24:39 <Zakim> ... trackbot, dom
14:24:41 <richt> darobin: would be very useful.
14:25:30 <richt> I think we should wait for a first draft and then discuss specific restrictions/issues.
14:25:54 <richt> Or jcantera and AnssiK work together on producing the first draft?
14:26:26 <richt> fjh: AnssiK to produce first draft and then we can discuss further at TPAC and beyond.
14:26:37 <richt> Topic: Sensors
14:26:48 <richt> fjh: Discussion ongoing on the list.
14:27:19 <richt> jcantera: Issues open on the discovery of sensors, connecting to multiple sensors.
14:27:31 <richt> jcantera: to be discussed at the F2F meeting.
14:27:31 <fjh> ... for discussion during F2F
14:27:41 <fjh> s/... for discussion during F2F//
14:28:09 <richt> jcantera: Will present a prototype implementation of the Sensors API. Implemented in Android using the low-level sensor APIs.
14:28:25 <richt> jcantera: Will be demonstrating in an app via a WebView.
14:28:57 <richt> darobin: will the prototype be available for others to play with?
14:29:12 <richt> jcantera: code is being uploaded for the public to use.
14:29:24 <richt> jcantera: ...in github. link will be provided when that's ready.
14:29:29 <richt> Topic: Feature Permissions
14:29:43 <Zakim> - +46.1.08.00.aadd
14:30:02 <richt> fjh: we'll defer this since relevant people are not on the call.
14:30:05 <richt> Topic: Contacts
14:30:09 <richt> fjh: What's the next step?
14:30:15 <Josh_Soref> https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI/ContactsAPI
14:30:26 <Josh_Soref> mozilla recently reviewed the contacts spec
14:30:40 <Josh_Soref> and deciddd it didn't like a bunch of things in it
14:30:52 <Josh_Soref> i tried to get them to send feedback to the list
14:30:59 <fjh> richt notes we could go to last call but waiting for feedback from mozilla and still working on test cases
14:30:59 <Josh_Soref> but they aren't
14:31:00 <dom> -> http://w3c-test.org/dap/contacts/tests/ contacts API test suite
14:31:20 <dom> Josh_Soref has started to re-work on it, hasn't he?
14:31:22 <Josh_Soref> they want better alihnment with vcard4 
14:31:26 <richt> fjh: should we discuss this at the F2F?
14:31:36 <Josh_Soref> yeah, i'm starting to rework it
14:31:38 <richt> darobin: hopefully we can discuss directly with a Mozilla rep.
14:31:53 <richt> [will discuss further at the F2F]
14:32:05 <AnssiK> q+
14:32:09 <richt> Topic: Battery
14:32:11 <Josh_Soref> fwiw, i agree with and was working to make changes which happen to correspond with their cission
14:32:17 <richt> AnssiK: Optimistic on progress of this spec.
14:32:18 <darobin> +1 to publishing battery whenever the editor's happy
14:32:24 <Josh_Soref> s/cission/vission
14:32:34 <richt> AnssiK: Have been patching in feedback from Mozilla.
14:32:37 <fjh> suggest we publish soon
14:32:42 <richt> AnssiK: Might be good to publish after TPAC.
14:32:44 <darobin> s/vission/vision
14:33:04 <dom> it's actually too late for publishing before TPAC
14:33:40 <richt> fjh: Let's do a CfC during the TPAC F2F.
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14:34:30 <darobin> moratorium ends on 7/11
14:35:06 <richt> Topic: AOB
14:35:32 <richt> fjh: Any other topics? Are we done?
14:35:36 <Zakim> -dom
14:35:38 <Zakim> -Clarke
14:35:39 <Zakim> -AnssiK
14:35:40 <Zakim> -darobin
14:35:41 <Zakim> -jcantera
14:35:41 <Zakim> -spoussa
14:35:42 <richt> fjh: We're done. See you all next week.
14:35:43 <Zakim> -fjh
14:35:43 <Zakim> -Cathy
14:35:47 <fjh> rrsagent,, generate minutes
14:35:47 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand ', generate minutes', fjh.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:35:47 <richt> [meeting ended]
14:35:53 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:35:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/26-dap-minutes.html fjh
14:35:54 <Zakim> -Joseph_Scheuhammer
14:35:55 <Zakim> -richt
14:37:32 <fjh> s/Will look in to it./I have an issue to bring up, TAG may have some new update on its privacy work, will look into any additional items./
14:38:24 <fjh> s/deciddd/decided/
14:38:46 <fjh> s/alihnment/alignment/
14:39:24 <fjh> s/This work is progressing well, thanks Anssi. Suggest we publish after TPAC./
14:39:37 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:39:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/26-dap-minutes.html fjh
14:40:12 <fjh> s/suggest we publish soon/This work is progressing well, thanks Anssi. Suggest we publish after TPAC./
14:40:21 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minuites
14:40:21 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'generate minuites', fjh.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:40:29 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:40:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/26-dap-minutes.html fjh
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