IRC log of webevents on 2011-10-11

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Scribe: Art
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011OctDec/0035.html
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Date: 11 October 2011
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Chair: Art
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Meeting: Web Events WG Voice Conference
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+??P10
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+Doug_Schepers
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-Doug_Schepers
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+Doug_Schepers
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Zakim, ??P10 is me
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+sangwhan; got it
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+ +1.781.993.aaaa
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zakim, aaaa is Art_Barstow
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+Art_Barstow; got it
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see Doug_Schepers, sangwhan, Art_Barstow
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On IRC I see smaug, RRSAgent, Zakim, ArtB, sangwhan, ted_, mbrubeck, scottmg, trackbot, shepazu
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+[IPcaller]
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Zakim, [IPcaller] is Olli_Pettay
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+Olli_Pettay; got it
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Zakim, nick smaug is Olli_Pettay
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ok, smaug, I now associate you with Olli_Pettay
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Present: Art_Barstow, Doug_Schepers, Olli_Pettay, Cathy_Chan
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Topic: Tweak Agenda
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AB: I submitted a draft agenda on October 10 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011OctDec/0035.html. Any change requests? The focus today is addressing comments for the Touch Events LCWD.
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AB: we'll skip testing today
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Topic: Announcements
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AB: any short announcements today?
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AB: re the f2f meeting on Tuesday November 1, I still consider its status as "undecided" but if we do meet that day it will be 9:00-12:00 maximum and we will have a teleconf bridge for remote participants.
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AB: given there are only 5 WG members registered yet almost 20 non-members, it may make sense to meet for the first half-hour or so just to give people an update/status.
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AB: Reminder: October 11 is the deadline for comments for the TEv1 LC
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AB: The comment tracking document is http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/wiki/TouchEvents-LCWD-13-Sep-2011.
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Topic: Issue-21 and Issue-22 ; status of Cathy's proposals
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AB: it looks like Cathy submitted changesets to address Issue-21 and Issue-22 so I think we can now close both of them (http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/21, http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/22).
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AB: I already updated the DoC doc to reflect the WG and Commenter are in agreement (LC-1 and LC-2)
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AB: thanks Cathy!
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Topic: Feedback from PFWG on Touch Events 13 September 2011 draft
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AB: the WAI PFWG submitted some comments and no one has responded yet http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011JulSep/0091.html so let's look at them and make some decisions
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AB: LC-6 and LC-7
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AB: we need someone to agree to propose text to address these issues
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… any volunteers?
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Present+ Sangwhan_Moon
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SM: I will take an action to address comment #2
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ACTION: moon respond to PFWG comment #2 (the editorial nits)
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Created ACTION-81 - Respond to PFWG comment #2 (the editorial nits) [on Sangwhan Moon - due 2011-10-18].
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AB: I would split comment #1 into 2 pieces
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… one is a request for Primer doc
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… and the other asks for a clarification re mouse events and touch events
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DS: we mention that in the charter
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AB: "The relation between touch events and mouse
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events should be explained in more detail for authors who want to
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achieve device independence.
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"
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DS: agree with that point
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… but it is not something the spec should necessarily address
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… e.g. this spec does not define mouse events
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… and I think that is appropriate
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… I do agree having a clear defn would be useful but it doesn't belong in the TE spec
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quite bad echo
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AB: can you respond to that Doug?
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DS: would prefer someone else to take it
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SM: OK, I can take care of that
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ACTION: Moon respond to PFWG comment #1
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Created ACTION-82 - Respond to PFWG comment #1 [on Sangwhan Moon - due 2011-10-18].
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AB: do you have enuf info Sangwhan?
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SM: yes
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DS: agree a Primer would be useful but don't think the TE spec should include it
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s/Primer/Primer-type info/
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Zakim, who is noisy
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I don't understand 'who is noisy', smaug
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AB: ok, then we have a plan to address the PFWG comments
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Zakim, who is making noise?
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sangwhan, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: Doug_Schepers (8%), Art_Barstow (62%)
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AB: Sangwhan, when can you address these Actions?
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SM: I will try to get a draft out tomorrow
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AB: OK, that would be great
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Topic: comments from Greg Dennis
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AB: during the Sept 20 call, we discussed <http://www.w3.org/2011/09/20-webevents-minutes.html#item03> comments from Greg Dennis <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011JulSep/0065.html> and Doug agreed to Action-77 http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/77
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The echo is really bad
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zakim, who is making noise?
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sangwhan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Art_Barstow (5%)
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action-77?
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ACTION-77 -- Doug Schepers to reply to Greg Dennis table for each touch event type per agreement on 20-Sep-2011 call -- due 2011-10-10 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/77
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DS: so this is Action-77?
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Action-77?
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ACTION-77 -- Doug Schepers to reply to Greg Dennis table for each touch event type per agreement on 20-Sep-2011 call -- due 2011-10-10 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/77
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AB: yes
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DS: not sure when I can get to it
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SM: is this critical for LC?
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DS: good point; we will go back to LC
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AB: yes, that's correct
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DS: I can point somebody to my code
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AB: f.ex. http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/#event-type-DOMActivate
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http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/#event-types-list
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http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/#event-types-list
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DS: we can add the table
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AB: the table will be normative I presume
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DS: what is the LC#2 plan?
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AB: I was hoping to publish it next week
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SM: could this be easily done with ReSpec?
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DS: I think it needs to be modified
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AB: is it clear what Greg is asking for?
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SM: yes, I think so
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DS: yes, I think we have all of the info
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… D3E is more specific
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… all of the info is derivable
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SM: if I have an extra week, I can look into it
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AB: can anyone else help?
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SM: I can get something out by the end of next week
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ACTION: moon create an input to address the table requested by Greg Dennis
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Created ACTION-83 - Create an input to address the table requested by Greg Dennis [on Sangwhan Moon - due 2011-10-18].
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AB: I'll see if I can get to it sooner
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ACTION: barstow try to help Sangwhan with Action-83
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Created ACTION-84 - Try to help Sangwhan with Action-83 [on Arthur Barstow - due 2011-10-18].
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Topic: Plan for Touch Events LC#2
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AB: I'd like to get a new LC published as soon as we can - Oct 18 if possible - and certainly before TPAC starts and set a longer term goal of publishing a Candidate Recommendation in November.
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AB: based on the actions created today, it looks like a pub on Oct 18 won't happen
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… but we can still try to get it pub'ed before TPAC
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DS: last day to submit a pubreq before TPAC is Oct 25
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AB: so that is still do-able
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DS: I'll be offline on Oct 24 and limited availability next week
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AB: it doesn't seem like that much work is needed to get LC#2 out
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DS: yes, I think that's true
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AB: I think we have a set of actions
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… now we need to execute
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AB: anything else on LC#2?
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Topic: Any Other Business (AOB)
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DS: I won't be available next week
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… hope to talk to some Members about joining Web Events
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… during my biz trip
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AB: OK; good
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AB: tentatively have a call next week
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… and Sangwhan, please keep me posted on the status of your actions
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SM: will do
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AB: perhaps we can use email to synch up rather than have a meeting next week
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AB: anything else for today?
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AB: meeting adjourned
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-Olli_Pettay
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-Art_Barstow
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-sangwhan
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-Doug_Schepers
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RWC_WebEven()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Doug_Schepers, sangwhan, +1.781.993.aaaa, Art_Barstow, Olli_Pettay
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-webevents-minutes.html ArtB
15:47:22 [mbrubeck]
oh, oops.
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Sorry I missed today's meeting.
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-webevents-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: moon respond to PFWG comment #2 (the editorial nits) [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-webevents-irc#T15-10-24
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ACTION: Moon respond to PFWG comment #1 [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-webevents-irc#T15-14-37
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ACTION: moon create an input to address the table requested by Greg Dennis [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-webevents-irc#T15-26-45
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ACTION: barstow try to help Sangwhan with Action-83 [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-webevents-irc#T15-27-19