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judy: Will follow up this week on John's draft
janina, me too
judy: Other responses needed?
john: Matt has updated his no change cp following
on suggestion from Sam that the original cp was weak
... either two responses? or single response to all issues?
<JF> Matt's CP: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/LongdescZeroEdit
john: Thinking that responding to Matt's specific assertions would be useful
Judy, Usually direct and substantive response is best.
Judy, If concern about past interaction, perhaps 'reflections on' on the TF list first?
John, Want to finish Jonas' response first
John, Can suggest some pointers where the issues where previously responded
Janina, Let's keep it simple
Judy, I'll respond to your draft today, interested to see Janina's terse approach, etc
Judy, Suggest that we consider this resolved per Text Alternatives Sub-Group, and forward to TF now
status is that Laura believes more use case development would be useful
Judy, Question may be whether Josh's proposal matches the questions from the Chairs table summary decision
Janina, Can look midweek
Janina, Will respond on line
<Judy> ACTION: janina read and respond to josh's table summary comments, and respond to Laura's comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/12-text-minutes.html#action01]
Judy, noting recent interesting suggestions from Steve Faulkner
Judy, Not sure it changes the bottom line, where some number certain can divide between useful and nonuseful alt standins
Judy, Geoff and I have found some more examples that I can share for user feedback, but need to write up a bit of intro
Judy, May be that we need a warning instead of a conformance error
<Judy> Janina, in particular, may be relevant to add warnings for assistive technologies not to read out anything over a certain length
Judy, Janina, can you bring this up at CG?
Janina, Yes
<JF> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13668
Janina, Maciej interested in this issue when I reported on our TF discussion during the WG telecon last Thursday
Janina, We were uncertain whether this is HTML spec, or CSS spec, etc.
Janina, We set up a subteam to deal with this directly, chaired by John
John, Tab Atkins responded on bug, will have conversation with him after this week when next he's available to discuss
Lynn, Who generates this content?
John, That's the issue. Sometimes UA, sometimes CSS, etc., etc
John, Benjamin Hawkes-lewis suggets generated text is an a11y failure, CSS should not generate
Judy, Judy, How long will this subteam need to come to an opinion?
John, Unsure
Judy, Encouraging John to plan work so that the subteam doesn't become a self-perpetuating long term effort
Janina, Scope may be sufficient to clearly identify the issue. We don't have the "elevator speech" on this yet