IRC log of lld on 2011-09-08

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14:00:55 [emma]

zakim, this will be LLD

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ok, emma; I see INC_LLDXG()10:00AM scheduled to start now

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rrsagent, please make record public

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zakim, ??P16 is me

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+antoine; got it

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zakim, aaaa is jodi

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zakim, aabb is me

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zakim, IPcaller is tbaker

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zakim, who is on the call?

14:04:28 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jodi, antoine, emma, pmurray, kcoyle, tbaker

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rrsagent, please draft minutes

14:04:34 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-lld-minutes.html tbaker

14:05:02 [emma]

Chair: Tom

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Meeting: LLD XG

14:05:38 [emma]

Previous: http://www.w3.org/2011/09/01-lld-minutes.html

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scribe: kcoyle

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scribenick: kcoyle

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tom: exec summary - ok

14:08:22 [kcoyle]

tom: use either XG or Incubator Group

14:09:49 [Zakim]

+[LC]

14:09:49 [jodi]

zakim, please mute me

14:09:50 [Zakim]

jodi should now be muted

14:10:09 [kcoyle]

tom: edit now (Antoine editing) all to Incubator Group

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14:10:59 [antoine]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=ExecutiveSummary&diff=6303&oldid=6301

14:11:06 [edsu]

zakim, [LC] is edsu

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+edsu; got it

14:11:43 [kcoyle]

status of this document is W3C boilerplate except last line: comments to mailing list

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14:12:38 [emma]

+1

14:12:39 [kcoyle]

will read: discussion of this document...

14:13:17 [kcoyle]

antoine is doing these edits in real time

14:13:26 [tbaker]

ACTION: Tom to update language of recommendations in Abstract to match Recommendations section.

14:13:43 [antoine]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=ExecutiveSummary&diff=6304&oldid=6303

14:13:50 [tbaker]

ACTION: All to edit document titles to use "Incubator Group" instead of "XG" in title.

14:14:49 [jodi]

"library-world context" or "library context" in this case?

14:16:07 [kcoyle]

scope of this report: antoine - done

14:16:28 [jodi]

in the executive report

14:16:31 [jodi]

zakim, unmute me please

14:16:31 [Zakim]

jodi should no longer be muted

14:16:54 [emma]

I still dont like library world ;-)

14:17:44 [kcoyle]

jodi changing "library-world context" to "library context" in exec summary

14:18:14 [kcoyle]

Benefits section: not yet edited

14:18:41 [kcoyle]

ACTION: peter will edit later today; just clean-up

14:19:25 [tbaker]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Sep/0232.html

14:19:27 [kcoyle]

Current situation, emma and antoine. - Report DONE, if no more comments

14:20:02 [jodi]

I made a suggestion for this sentence, which Emma had flagged: "Changes to authority displays require that all related records be retrieved in order to change their text strings -- a disruptive and expensive process that often prevents libraries from implementing changes in a timely manner."

14:20:43 [emma]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_issues_page_take2&diff=6298&oldid=6292

14:21:26 [emma]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_issues_page_take2&diff=6299&oldid=6247

14:22:08 [jodi]

+1 initative

14:23:01 [emma]

changed "incentive" into "initiative"

14:32:13 [Zakim]

-pmurray

14:32:25 [pmurray]

I might be back; my boss just skyped me.

14:32:41 [kcoyle]

restoring original sentence in library data not integrated with web

14:33:45 [kcoyle]

recommendations section: antoine - data curation needs ... curation

14:34:10 [Zakim]

-emma

14:34:52 [antoine]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Sep/0175.html

14:36:47 [kcoyle]

antoine asked a question on the list about this section; not yet resolved

14:38:30 [kcoyle]

group has no objection to antoine's change: he'll make it now

14:39:31 [edsu]

Develop and disseminate best-practice design patterns tailored to library Linked Data

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Develop and disseminate best-practice design patterns tailored to library Linked Data

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http://patterns.dataincubator.org/book/

14:39:57 [jodi]

+1

14:40:12 [tbaker]

+1

14:40:18 [kcoyle]

edsu: suggests adding above link to davis/dobbs book

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Design and test user services based on Linked Data capabilities

14:40:55 [kcoyle]

edsu: would like change to first sentence

14:40:57 [antoine]

Done my change: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_recommendations_page_take2&diff=6309&oldid=6293

14:41:24 [edsu]

Increase library participation in Semantic Web standardization

14:41:31 [kcoyle]

edsu: section on participation in SemWeb standards

14:41:49 [kcoyle]

edsu: we could mention W3C community group here

14:41:54 [tbaker]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page_take2#Design_and_test_user_services_based_on_Linked_Data_capabilities

14:42:02 [kcoyle]

tom: unfortunately, we don't know if there will be a grup

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s/grup/group

14:42:37 [kcoyle]

tbaker: no one has volunteered to lead community group

14:43:09 [jodi]

+1 "this would be a good role for a community group in this area"

14:43:59 [kcoyle]

antoine: could mention community group in that last sentence

14:44:55 [antoine]

by joining technical working groups, more open community group (@@link@@) or participating in public review processes.

14:44:59 [edsu]

antoine: thanks for the suggested wording change

14:45:37 [tbaker]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page_take2#Increase_library_participation_in_Semantic_Web_standardization

14:45:51 [antoine]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_recommendations_page_take2&diff=6310&oldid=6309

14:48:00 [antoine]

http://www.w3.org/community/

14:49:12 [kcoyle]

tbaker making that edit, to add kcoyle's sentence to end, suggesting creation of a community group for LLD

14:51:47 [jodi]

A W3C Community Group could play a good role in this area.

14:52:17 [tbaker]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_recommendations_page_take2&diff=6287&oldid=6269

14:52:44 [jodi]

change made: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_recommendations_page_take2&diff=6312&oldid=6311

14:53:05 [antoine]

does not include mechanisms for managing pre-coordinated subject headings,

14:54:06 [antoine]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_recommendations_page_take2&diff=6313&oldid=6312

14:54:57 [jodi]

did we add the LD patterns book?

14:55:44 [kcoyle]

edsu: adding linked data patterns book

14:56:08 [tbaker]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page_take2#Design_and_test_user_services_based_on_Linked_Data_capabilities

14:59:01 [kcoyle]

need to change "should" to something less presumptuous

14:59:22 [kcoyle]

ACTION: on edsu and others to fix this sentence

15:00:12 [kcoyle]

Appendix A kcoyle did edits, Jodi will read through

15:00:12 [Zakim]

-edsu

15:00:30 [jodi]

pmurray: ping

15:00:51 [pmurray]

jodi: Still talking with my boss...

15:00:59 [jodi]

pmurray: ok, no worries :)

15:01:18 [pmurray]

Sorry…priorities, ya'know.

15:01:22 [kcoyle]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section2&diff=6199&oldid=6148

15:01:53 [antoine]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section2&diff=6199&oldid=6006

15:01:58 [kcoyle]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section2&diff=6199&oldid=6150

15:05:44 [kcoyle]

Use Cases report: kcoyle has edited, Daniel has a few more changes that kcoyle will edit, then report DONE

15:06:05 [kcoyle]

Deliverable C: still being edited

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tbaker: still some cleanup to do;

15:07:46 [tbaker]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ExecutiveSummary

15:08:01 [kcoyle]

tbaker: all separate deliverables need to follow w3c format for documents

15:08:52 [jodi]

perhaps we should task someone with making an abstract for the Vocabulary and Dataset Deliverable?

15:10:00 [kcoyle]

many in group will be unavailable sep 17-26

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15:14:01 [pmurray]

alabama lia

15:14:32 [jodi]

pmurray: are you going to the DC conference? We're wondering if 17-26 is good for the HTML editing period.

15:14:56 [kcoyle]

meet next Thursday, same slot; try to have all wiki edit finalized

15:14:58 [pmurray]

No, I'm not going to the DC conference.

15:15:05 [jodi]

pmurray: great :)

15:15:11 [pmurray]

I can do HTML editing 17-26

15:15:31 [jodi]

tbaker: could you please send email about getting permissions to edit on W3C website?

15:15:53 [pmurray]

zakim, telecom info

15:15:53 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'telecom info', pmurray

15:16:01 [pmurray]

zakim, call info

15:16:01 [Zakim]

I am sorry, pmurray; I do not know a number for info

15:16:32 [jodi]

pmurray: +1-617-761-6200, code 55394#

15:16:45 [Zakim]

+ +1.404.892.aadd

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zakim, aadd is me

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+pmurray; got it

15:17:01 [pmurray]

jodi++

15:18:13 [antoine]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/AcknowledgementsUseCaseDeliverable

15:18:39 [jodi]

"@@TODO: list authors of individual use cases not yet ack'ed."

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15:19:25 [kcoyle]

ACTION: kcoyle will fix acknowledgements in use case report

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15:20:11 [kcoyle]

tbaker: will send out note about access and suggest short names

15:20:21 [Zakim]

-antoine

15:20:22 [Zakim]

-tbaker

15:20:27 [Zakim]

-jodi

15:20:28 [Zakim]

-pmurray

15:20:31 [tbaker]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

15:20:31 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-lld-minutes.html tbaker

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-kcoyle

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INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were +1.763.463.aaaa, antoine, jodi, +33.1.44.78.aabb, emma, +1.678.235.aacc, pmurray, kcoyle, tbaker, edsu, +1.404.892.aadd

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15:22:37 [tbaker]

[adjourned]

15:22:44 [tbaker]

zakim, list attendees

15:22:44 [Zakim]

sorry, tbaker, I don't know what conference this is

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