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14:52:13 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 
14:52:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
14:52:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Real-Time Communications Working Group Teleconference
14:52:14 <trackbot> Date: 31 August 2011
14:52:18 <francois> zakim, what conferences?
14:52:18 <Zakim> I see UW_DAP()10:00AM, WAI_Team(WAIT)10:30AM active
14:52:20 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are SW_HCLS(LODD)11:00AM, SW_RDFWG()11:00AM, I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM, Team_(PH Cadence)10:30AM, Team_(webtvws)14:00Z, IA_XForms()11:00AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM,
14:52:22 <Zakim> ... Team_Comm(PSIG)11:00AM, IA_Fonts()10:00AM, Team_(WebRTC)11:00AM
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14:52:28 <francois> zakim, this will be WebRTC
14:52:29 <Zakim> ok, francois; I see Team_(WebRTC)11:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
14:57:15 <Zakim> Team_(WebRTC)11:00AM has now started
14:57:22 <Zakim> +??P0
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14:57:46 <Zakim> + +1.650.241.aaaa
14:57:49 <Zakim> +Dan_Burnett
14:58:08 <burn> zakim, I am Dan_Burnett
14:58:08 <Zakim> ok, burn, I now associate you with Dan_Burnett
14:58:32 <francois> zakim, code?
14:58:34 <Zakim> the conference code is 932782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), francois
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14:58:43 <Zakim> +francois
14:58:50 <Zakim> + +46.1.07.14.aabb
14:58:50 <francois> zakim, mute me
14:58:50 <Zakim> francois should now be muted
14:58:58 <francois> ack me
14:59:13 <hta> zakim, who is on?
14:59:13 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, hta.
14:59:59 <Zakim> +??P16
15:00:02 <burn> zakim, who's here?
15:00:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, +1.650.241.aaaa, Dan_Burnett, francois, +46.1.07.14.aabb, ??P16
15:00:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see hta, neilstratford, burn, Zakim, RRSAgent, stefanh, Salvatore, francois, richt, bitshaq_, trackbot, derf
15:00:33 <neilstratford> Zakim, P16 is me
15:00:36 <stefanh> Zakim, aabb is stefanh
15:01:00 <Zakim> sorry, neilstratford, I do not recognize a party named 'P16'
15:01:03 <francois> zakim, ??P16 is neilstratford
15:01:07 <Zakim> +stefanh; got it
15:01:26 <Zakim> +neilstratford; got it
15:01:27 <burn> zakim, aaaa is hta
15:01:39 <Zakim> +hta; got it
15:01:39 <hta> zakim, who is muted?
15:01:48 <francois> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webrtc/2011Aug/0128.html
15:01:51 <Zakim> + +7.236.45.aacc
15:02:01 <Zakim> I see hta muted
15:02:15 <hta> zakim, unmute hta
15:02:20 <Zakim> + +46.1.07.14.aadd
15:02:22 <Zakim> +Russell
15:02:30 <Zakim> hta should no longer be muted
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15:02:59 <Zakim> +Narm
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15:03:15 <stefanh> Zakim, aadd is adam
15:03:15 <Zakim> +adam; got it
15:03:54 <Zakim> +Dan_Druta
15:04:21 <Zakim> + +1.206.256.aaff
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15:04:40 <francois> zakim, aaff is CaryBran
15:04:40 <Zakim> +CaryBran; got it
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15:05:16 <francois> Present+ Juberti
15:05:24 <francois> zakim, mute me
15:05:24 <Zakim> francois should now be muted
15:05:35 <francois> Chair: Stefan
15:05:37 <francois> ack me
15:05:59 <francois> zakim, mute me
15:05:59 <Zakim> francois should now be muted
15:06:03 <francois> Scribe: francois
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15:06:29 <francois> Stefan: anything to add to the agenda?
15:06:33 <francois> [none heard]
15:06:46 <francois> Topic: Actions from Quebec meeting
15:06:52 <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
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15:07:32 <francois> Stefan: Dan to review requirements to list
15:07:47 <francois> DanBurnett: Haven't done that, should be able to do so by next week.
15:08:29 <francois> Stefan: next one on Cullen. He sent some initial text. I think we should keep it open while we get more discussion.
15:08:45 <francois> Stefan: next one on editor's draft
15:09:13 <francois> DanBurnett: I'm sure people have noticed we have a draft now, we started from an extract from the WhatWG spec. There has been some discussion on the mailing-list since then.
15:09:24 <francois> ... Some consensus decisions for changes.
15:09:27 <adambe> someone is typing hard
15:09:31 <DanR> somebody is typing loud
15:09:39 <francois> zakim, who is making noise?
15:09:50 <Zakim> francois, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (3%), hta (64%), Dan_Burnett (90%)
15:10:09 <francois> ... intent from editors is to propose changes to the spec based on these discussions to align the spec with the discussions we've had.
15:10:44 <francois> ... Anant has some proposal to remove text based on implementation details.
15:11:06 <francois> ... Once the document is where we believe the discussion is, we expect the discussion to continue on the mailing-list.
15:11:23 <francois> ... When there is rough consensus about something, the editors will move it to the spec.
15:11:34 <francois> ... We're trying to be roughly informal, on purpose.
15:11:44 <francois> ... We suggest that people continue to use the mailing-list right now.
15:12:12 <francois> ... At some point later in the process, when we're get into more details, it may make sense to track things more precisely through some Tracker tool or Bugzilla instance.
15:12:21 <francois> Harald: seems reasonable to me.
15:12:53 <francois> ... So idea is to check threads on the mailing-list and bring changes when you don't anyone against it.
15:12:58 <francois> DanBurnett: Right.
15:13:13 <francois> Stefan: schedule?
15:13:35 <francois> DanBurnett: no schedule set yet. Many changes are likely to make it to the spec here.
15:14:16 <francois> ... The intent is that there will be faster releases at least initially. If that's not the case, we'll need to ensure that things happen on timely basis.
15:14:55 <francois> ... You will not see anything this week. Cullen has sent an email and will send a bunch more next week, supposedly representing the current consensus.
15:15:02 <burn> First email from Cullen:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webrtc/2011Aug/0132.html
15:15:06 <francois> ... I'm asking people to reply to these emails if they have concerns.
15:15:26 <francois> q+
15:15:41 <francois> Harald: OK, let's go ahead with that plan.
15:15:42 <francois> ack me
15:17:18 <francois> Francois: would keep FPWD deadline in mind, was to be end of September.
15:17:48 <francois> DanBurnett: right, updated spec that represents the current consensus of the group could be a good FPWD.
15:18:02 <francois> ... I'm optimistic we can put it forward for end of September.
15:18:05 <francois> zakim, mute me
15:18:05 <Zakim> francois should now be muted
15:18:12 <francois> Topic: Requirements document
15:18:35 <francois> Stefan: Published requirements document, a couple of comments, waiting for comments from Dan.
15:19:16 <francois> ... Not ideal to have different documents for use cases and requirements, as they may come out of sync.
15:19:20 <francois> zakim, who is making noise?
15:19:30 <francois> -> http://dev.w3.org/2011/webrtc/editor/webrtc_reqs.html WebRTC requirements
15:19:31 <Zakim> francois, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: hta (81%), stefanh (67%), Narm (5%)
15:20:19 <francois> Stefan: don't know how to deal with this, perhaps stick to one document that has use cases and requirements, which could be the IETF one.
15:20:43 <francois> ... Would anyone object to reverting to only one document?
15:21:00 <francois> Justin: As soon as we have common use cases, having just one document sounds like the right thing to me.
15:21:17 <burn> I believe Justin said one document for use cases, but he didn't mention requirements
15:21:33 <burn> zakim, who's noisy?
15:21:44 <Zakim> burn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (33%), hta (67%), Russell (59%)
15:21:49 <adambe> someone is reconnecting with their 56k modem
15:21:56 <burn> zakim, mute Russell
15:21:56 <Zakim> Russell should now be muted
15:22:16 <juberti> I am OK with a single set of requirements too
15:23:01 <francois> ack me
15:23:09 <francois> zakim, mute me
15:23:09 <Zakim> francois should now be muted
15:23:26 <francois> Stefan: for ease of editing, proposal is to keep everything together.
15:23:50 <juberti> zakim, unmute juberti
15:23:50 <Zakim> sorry, juberti, I do not know which phone connection belongs to juberti
15:23:58 <francois> DanBurnett: so suggestion is to stick to one use cases and requirements doc right now for ease of editing, and resolve later if we split them to have a W3C doc.
15:24:02 <francois> Stefan: right.
15:24:10 <juberti> sorry, juberti, I do not know which phone connection belongs to juberti
15:24:21 <francois> DanBurnett: Are you planning to publish an update?
15:24:34 <francois> Stefan: I should be able to publish an update to the IETF doc tomorrow.
15:25:02 <francois> DanBurnett: Just make sure to forward an announcement to public-webrtc when you publish a new draft as that does not happen automatically
15:25:06 <francois> Stefan: yes, good point.
15:25:36 <francois> q+
15:25:37 <juberti> zakim, my phone is 760-705-8888
15:25:38 <Zakim> I don't understand 'my phone is 760-705-8888', juberti
15:25:40 <francois> Topic: AOB
15:26:19 <francois> Stefan: reasonable to have a phone call between now and next F2F in TPAC?
15:26:29 <francois> q-
15:26:29 <Zakim> -Russell
15:26:42 <francois> DanBurnett: I think it makes sense to have one call by TPAC.
15:26:48 <francois> ack me
15:27:09 <Zakim> + +1.857.288.aagg
15:27:26 <juberti> that's me again
15:27:35 <francois> zakim, mute me
15:27:35 <Zakim> francois should now be muted
15:27:54 <francois> [discussion on room at TPAC, reserved on Monday/Tuesday]
15:27:56 <francois> ack me
15:28:03 <burn> justin, are you the aagg number?
15:28:05 <juberti> y
15:28:20 <burn> zakim, aagg is juberti
15:28:20 <Zakim> +juberti; got it
15:28:27 <Zakim> -neilstratford
15:28:44 <francois> Stefan: how long is F2F meeting?
15:29:17 <francois> Francois: room is reserved for 2 days, there's an AC meeting starting on Tuesday afternoon, we may adjourn earlier. Up to us!
15:29:20 <francois> zakim, mute me
15:29:20 <Zakim> francois should now be muted
15:29:35 <francois> Stefan: ok, we'll want to go into details about how we're going to use that time.
15:29:58 <francois> ... Should review spec into details.
15:30:11 <francois> Harald: Now you should go back to the mailing-list and reply to Cullen.
15:30:17 <francois> ... or raise other topics.
15:30:21 <Zakim> -??P0
15:30:23 <Zakim> -CaryBran
15:30:25 <francois> [Call adjourned]
15:30:25 <Zakim> -adam
15:30:27 <Zakim> -Dan_Burnett
15:30:27 <Zakim> -Dan_Druta
15:30:29 <Zakim> -Narm
15:30:29 <Zakim> -stefanh
15:30:30 <Zakim> -juberti
15:30:31 <Zakim> -hta
15:30:32 <Zakim> -francois
15:30:38 <Zakim> -[Mozilla]
15:30:44 <Zakim> - +7.236.45.aacc
15:30:57 <Zakim> - +1.314.529.aaee
15:30:58 <Zakim> Team_(WebRTC)11:00AM has ended
15:31:03 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.650.241.aaaa, Dan_Burnett, francois, +46.1.07.14.aabb, stefanh, neilstratford, hta, +7.236.45.aacc, +46.1.07.14.aadd, Russell, +1.314.529.aaee, Narm, adam,
15:31:07 <Zakim> ... Dan_Druta, +1.206.256.aaff, CaryBran, [Mozilla], +1.857.288.aagg, juberti
15:31:38 <francois> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:31:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/31-webrtc-minutes.html francois
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