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15:59:59 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
15:59:59 <trackbot> Date: 28 July 2011
16:00:31 <paulc> zakim, who is on the call?
16:00:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], dsinger (muted)
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16:00:40 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
16:00:40 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
16:00:41 <Zakim> + +1.619.846.aaaa
16:00:59 <hober> Zakim, aaaa is hober
16:00:59 <Zakim> +hober; got it
16:01:17 <Zakim> + +1.215.286.aabb
16:01:28 <Zakim> +adrianba
16:01:32 <kimberlyblessing> Zakim, +1.215.286.aabb is me
16:01:32 <Zakim> +kimberlyblessing; got it
16:01:51 <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
16:01:55 <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
16:02:00 <adrianba> Chair: Paul Cotton
16:02:05 <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011JulSep/0006.html
16:02:06 <pimpbot> Title: {Agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-07-28: Issues, Last Call period from Paul Cotton on 2011-07-27 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
16:02:15 <paulc> Good morning, Adrian.
16:02:30 <paulc> Looks like we are ready to go.  i will start in 2-3 mins.
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16:02:59 <paulc> Great, thanks for scribing.
16:03:27 <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
16:03:56 <Zakim> +Sam
16:03:56 <dsinger_> zakim, who is here?
16:03:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], dsinger (muted), hober, kimberlyblessing, adrianba, Radhika_Roy, Sam
16:03:58 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
16:04:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see MFoladare, kimberlyblessing, Zakim, RRSAgent, dsinger_, rubys, J_Voracek, adrianba, cjones, shepazu, paulc, Lachy, mav_, miketaylr, Norm, plh, davidb, Martijnc, karl,
16:04:04 <Zakim> ... tH, arronei, heycam, krijnh, webben, pingo, gavin, Dashiva, CIA-1, hsivonen, Hixie, ed, Philip, Jedi, jmb, jgraham, trackbot, inimino, [tm], gsnedders, hober, pimpbot
16:04:36 <adrianba> TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thursday, July 28
16:04:44 <adrianba> paulc: No action items due
16:04:47 <adrianba> TOPIC: New Issues This Week
16:04:54 <adrianba> paulc: there are none
16:04:58 <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closed Last Week
16:05:02 <adrianba> paulc: there are none
16:05:05 <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing This Week
16:05:20 <adrianba> paulc: there are 4 here, close midnight tonight boston time
16:05:25 <adrianba> ISSUE-153?
16:05:28 <trackbot> ISSUE-153 -- link type "external" either not useful or underspecified -- open
16:05:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/153
16:05:32 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-153: link type "external" either not useful or underspecified - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:06:04 <adrianba> paulc: i want to make sure everyone remembers that for these kinds of calls if we don't get a counter proposal then we'll move to amicable resolution on the change proposal so i want everyone to be aware of the status of these items
16:06:11 <adrianba> ISSUE-154?
16:06:11 <trackbot> ISSUE-154 -- "sidebar" might not be a proper use of a link relation -- open
16:06:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/154
16:06:12 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-154: "sidebar" might not be a proper use of a link relation - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:06:21 <adrianba> paulc: these are both calls for counter proposals
16:06:25 <adrianba> ISSUE-166?
16:06:25 <trackbot> ISSUE-166 -- text/html-sandboxed does not always fail closed -- open
16:06:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/166
16:06:26 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-166: text/html-sandboxed does not always fail closed - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:06:35 <paulc> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-166
16:06:37 <pimpbot> Title: Change Proposal Status (at dev.w3.org)
16:06:47 <adrianba> paulc: we've already received one change proposal - there is the possibility of other change proposals
16:07:06 <adrianba> ... the change proposal page has been updated with a pointer to the latest revision
16:07:09 <adrianba> ISSUE-167?
16:07:09 <trackbot> ISSUE-167 -- Remove the crossorigin attribute and CORS normative dependency -- raised
16:07:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/167
16:07:10 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-167: Remove the crossorigin attribute and CORS normative dependency - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:07:33 <adrianba> paulc: if we don't get a change proposal here the issue will be resolved and we won't take any further action
16:07:48 <paulc> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-167
16:07:49 <adrianba> ... just checking - we still don't have a proposal here yet
16:07:50 <pimpbot> Title: Change Proposal Status (at dev.w3.org)
16:07:57 <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing Next Week
16:08:08 <adrianba> paulc: we have 4, one of which is extremely important
16:08:15 <adrianba> ISSUE-164?
16:08:15 <trackbot> ISSUE-164 -- remove or modify hgroup -- open
16:08:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/164
16:08:16 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-164: remove or modify hgroup - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:08:32 <adrianba> paulc: call for counter proposals closes aug 2
16:08:33 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13411] New: The spec for setting selectionEnd seems incorrect (or at least incompatible with the symmetric selectionStart case) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1128.html> 4** [Bug 13410] New: XML serialisation incompletely defined. <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1126.html> 4** [Bug 13409] New: Defining Entity references for characters in XHTML. <11http://lists.w3
16:08:37 <adrianba> ISSUE-168?
16:08:37 <trackbot> ISSUE-168 -- Remove typemustmatch -- raised
16:08:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/168
16:08:39 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-168: Remove typemustmatch - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
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16:08:48 <adrianba> paulc: call for proposals closes aug 2
16:08:53 <adrianba> ISSUE-133?
16:08:53 <trackbot> ISSUE-133 -- Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) -- open
16:08:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/133
16:08:55 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-133: Add a modal attribute to html5 to indicate a modal segment of the DOM (modal dialog) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:09:03 <adrianba> paulc: call for counter proposals closes aug 6
16:09:32 <adrianba> ... with all of the those calls, all of the outstanding issues have started through the proposal/counter-proposal process
16:09:49 <adrianba> ... there are no issues that haven't had the call for change proposals
16:10:16 <adrianba> paulc: the most important item is that the Last Call closes Aug 3
16:10:35 <adrianba> ... the chairs will move all Last Call bugs into other components just like we did with pre-Last Call bugs
16:10:53 <adrianba> ... we will do this as soon after the deadline as we can, new bugs after that will not be considered for Last Call
16:11:14 <adrianba> ... by the end of next week we will know how many bugs we have
16:11:28 <adrianba> ... if anyone can't submit bugs for some reason by the deadline, please let the chairs know
16:11:44 <adrianba> TOPIC: New Calls this week
16:11:52 <adrianba> paulc: None
16:12:01 <adrianba> ... and we don't have any issues that haven't started processing
16:12:08 <adrianba> TOPIC: New Surveys this week
16:12:40 <adrianba> paulc: None - the chairs sent mail noting they weren't going to issue surveys until after the Last Call period closes - possible the chairs will start issuing surveys in the second week of august
16:13:03 <adrianba> ... likely to start with the oldest first unless there is discussion going on in the public list that might improve quality of proposals
16:13:09 <adrianba> TOPIC: Decisions this week
16:13:12 <adrianba> paulc: none
16:13:19 <adrianba> TOPIC: Other Business
16:13:28 <adrianba> paulc: anybody have anything to raise?
16:13:40 <adrianba> paulc: not hearing anything
16:13:42 <adrianba> TOPIC: Chair and Scribe for next meeting
16:14:29 <adrianba> paulc: i'm going to be on an extended vacation from aug 1 to sep 23 so sam and maciej will be handling the meetings and the WG while i'm away
16:14:50 <adrianba> paulc: sam will chair - any volunteers for scribe?
16:14:55 <adrianba> paulc: none heard
16:15:02 <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
16:15:24 <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
16:15:28 <adrianba> paulc: file those last call comments - you have until midnight boston time on aug 3
16:15:29 <Zakim> -kimberlyblessing
16:15:30 <Zakim> -hober
16:15:31 <Zakim> -Sam
16:15:39 <adrianba> paulc: we're adjourned
16:15:46 <Zakim> -adrianba
16:15:53 <Zakim> -dsinger
16:16:13 <adrianba> Regrets+ Eliot_Graff
16:16:17 <adrianba> Regrets+ Janina_Sajka
16:16:30 <adrianba> zakim, bye
16:16:30 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were dsinger, paulc, +1.619.846.aaaa, hober, adrianba, kimberlyblessing, Radhika_Roy, Sam
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16:16:41 <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
16:16:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/28-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
16:16:48 <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
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16:38:55 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12417] HTML5 is missing attribute for specifying translatability of content <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1134.html> 4** [Bug 12417] HTML5 is missing attribute for specifying translatability of content <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1132.html> 4** [Bug 13413] New: Consider dropping the vEvent microdata vocabulary <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ht
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17:10:33 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13416] New: Section 7.5, contenteditable attribute, should be renamed "editing host" and reworked <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1136.html> 4** [Bug 13416] Section 7.5, contenteditable attribute, should be renamed "editing host" and reworked <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1137.html> 4** [Bug 13416] Section 7.5, contenteditable attribute, should be renamed "editin
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17:41:11 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13418] New: Section 2.2.1 on Conformance classes should include accessible in statement of what authoring tools should make a best effort at doing <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1141.html> 4** [Bug 13417] New: i18n-ISSUE-139: Multilingual q nesting <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1139.html> 4** [Bug 13417] i18n-ISSUE-139: Multilingual q nesting <11http://lists.w3
17:56:58 <pimpbot> planet: tidoust: Convergence of Web and TV at NEM Summit 2011 <11http://openmediaweb.eu/2011/07/28/convergence-of-web-and-tv-at-nem-summit-2011/>
18:12:48 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13103] Visual formatting of content inside the pre element isn't available to assistive technologies <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1145.html> 4** [Bug 13418] Section 2.2.1 on Conformance classes should include accessible in statement of what authoring tools should make a best effort at doing <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1142.html> 4** [Bug 13417] i18n-ISSUE-13
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18:43:18 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13425] New: Remove the user editing actions section. Most of these are covered in exact detail by the editing spec (see the "Additional requirements" section). One or two others are covered by the Selection part of DOM Range. The rest are not really interesting en <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1155.html> 4** [Bug 13425] Remove the user editing actions section. Most of these are covered in exact detail b
19:15:05 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13401] Make command.checked behavior consistent with input.checked <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1161.html>
20:17:21 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12417] HTML5 is missing attribute for specifying translatability of content <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1170.html> 4** [Bug 12417] HTML5 is missing attribute for specifying translatability of content <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1167.html> 4** [Bug 13429] New: Section 7.5 contenteditable and designMode must make navigation consistent platform conventions <1
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20:48:10 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12417] HTML5 is missing attribute for specifying translatability of content <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1174.html> 4** [Bug 12417] HTML5 is missing attribute for specifying translatability of content <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1172.html> 4** [Bug 12417] HTML5 is missing attribute for specifying translatability of content <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Pu
20:57:43 <pimpbot> planet: Bruce: microdata help, please <11http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2011/microdata-help-please/>
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21:19:43 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13429] Section 7.5 contenteditable and designMode must make navigation consistent platform conventions <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1175.html> 4** [Bug 13428] Remove 4.8.1.1 Requirements for providing text to act as an alternative for images <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1176.html>
21:50:30 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13434] New: Editorial changes to The Video element (2 of 5) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1183.html> 4** [Bug 13433] New: Using "Function?" for the on* IDL attribute type doesn't seem to match implementations on setting <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1182.html> 4** [Bug 13433] Using "Function?" for the on* IDL attribute type doesn't seem to match implementations
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22:21:57 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13440] New: Editorial changes to Track element (3 of 3) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1194.html> 4** [Bug 13439] New: Editorial changes to Track element (2 of 3) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1193.html> 4** [Bug 13438] New: Editorial changes to Track element (1 of 3) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1192.html> 4** [Bug 13
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22:52:47 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13441] New: Missing class=impl for microdata property crawling algorithm <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1197.html> 4** [Bug 13441] Missing class=impl for microdata property crawling algorithm <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1198.html>
23:15:21 <CIA-1> html-spec: 03ianh@340c8d12-0b0e-0410-8428-c7bf67bfef74 * 7cbc5683d8a2 r6335 10/ (index complete.html source): 
23:15:21 <CIA-1> html-spec: [e] (0) class=impl fix
23:15:21 <CIA-1> html-spec: Fixing http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13441
23:15:22 <pimpbot> 1113441: contributor, P3, RESOLVED FIXED, 13Missing class=impl for microdata property crawling algorithm
23:24:19 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13441] Missing class=impl for microdata property crawling algorithm <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1199.html> 4** [Bug 13441] Missing class=impl for microdata property crawling algorithm <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1200.html> 4** [Bug 13433] Using "Function?" for the on* IDL attribute type doesn't seem to match implementations on setting <11http://lists.w3.or
23:26:27 <pimpbot> changes: microdata; hixie: class=impl fix (whatwg r6336) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Jul/0080.html>
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23:55:02 <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13442] New: Clarify cases that should NOT be "non-interactive presentation user agents" <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1206.html> 4** [Bug 13433] Using "Function?" for the on* IDL attribute type doesn't seem to match implementations on setting <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/1204.html> 4** [Bug 13433] Using "Function?" for the on* IDL attribute type doesn't seem t