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<trackbot> Date: 15 June 2011
<scribe> ScribeNick: ChrisL
<jdaggett> hmm, zakim is not happy?
why is zakim not happy?
<jdaggett> not seeing those on the phone...
<Vlad> trackbot, start telcon
<trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 15 June 2011
zakim appears to not recognise anyones phone numbers today
Vlad: lets review the resent edits. also, hear from CSS WG attendees on CSS3 fonts
<jdaggett> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011Jun/0329.html
jdaggett: here are the minutes.
lots of tangential discussion, Bert complained its http-centric
and so on
... at least the method of restriction is http-centric. but
really that is an issue with ftp etc not with our spec
... all the implementors seem ok with it already
... not clear if SOR at risk is enouh to move forward
... peter Linss suggested it was not CSS WG problem but
WebFonts WG problem
... but it elongs where @font-face is defined
Vlad: it started here but was
proposed to apply to all font formats
... read the minute sand there was no clear decision
jdaggett: problem was tangential
discussions
... Bert did not propose a credible alternative and it did not
seem relevant
... implementors agree some form of SOR is a good thing
Vlad: discussed this with him at
AC meeting and Bert agreed at the time
... and agreed fonts not reallyy like images, in the
minutes
jdaggett: its a big rathole
... Bert always seems to say EOT is better and so on
Vlad: any specific objections?
jdaggett: no, just diffuse
discussion. Florian from Opera said current wording was
acceptable
... depends if wording is good enough for CR
Vlad: clear its better to SOR based on the font link in @font-face
jdaggett: Peter's point was tha
CSS WG should not decide but its part of te @font-face
mechanism. He wanted someone else to solve it somewhere
... if that mechansm happens to cover things other than fonts
then good but we dont have consensus on that
... any way we can pre-flight the wording?
ChrisL: will ask PLH
Vlad: note the concern that this
could delay CSS3 Fonts
... can we facilitate that decision?
ChrisL: we can send a liaison saying we want to depend on that feature
jdaggett: we don't really have any strong objections at this point
Vlad: what is Google's position, do we know?
jdaggett: Tab was involved but not at this meeting. Unclear
Vlad: Tab said it was easy to implement in webkit
jdaggett: needs negotiation between webkit committors
Vlad: Apple objection seems to be resolved
jdaggett: FF and IE implemented as CSS3 Fonts says
<scribe> ACTION: Vlad to send a liaison to CSS saying that we have a consensus that this feature is best in CSS3 Fonts module and want to see t accepted there so we can reference it [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/15-webfonts-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-93 - Send a liaison to CSS saying that we have a consensus that this feature is best in CSS3 Fonts module and want to see t accepted there so we can reference it [on Vladimir Levantovsky - due 2011-06-22].
Vlad: consesnus of font vendors and impleentors
jdaggett; sounds reasonable
jfkthame: set some actions pending
http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/pendingreview
jfkthame: removed summary of conformance requirements and relocated notes as discussed
ChrisL: reminded commmentors this was done
Relocate text describing div and span was done, too
Move BCP47 to normative and change are expected to to SHOULD
jfkthame: became a normative reference and language updated
Add expected children of all metadata elements
jfkthame: had a go at that, not clrear how much detail to go into.
ChrisL: text element is missing the same form of description as the rest
jfkthame: seems easy
action jfkthame to add text element descrition
<trackbot> Created ACTION-94 - Add text element descrition [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-06-22].
ChrisL: we missed impleenting the comment from Eric Muller, to add @url to text inside license
http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html#issue-8
Vlad: legl folks font like a license that is different in different languages as the least restrictive one becomes the agreement
ChrisL: ... so we decided not to add the per language links?
Vlad: one link points to a page which can be a landing page with further links to multiple languages. its up to the font vendor to do that
cslye: what Vlad describes is how
Adobe would do it too
... so that is fine for me
... would not watnt to limit what other people expect t be
there
Vlad: its a license description not a full license. it says how to get it
cslye: ok
ChrisL; ok so the spec is good as it stands ad I will update the DoC
jfkthame: another minor edit was
to requie xml to be utf-8 as discssed on the list
... makes life simpler
ChrisL: seemed to be broad
agreement on that
... need to mark up the testable assertion and add a test for
it
tal: there is an existing test for utf-8 or utf-16 so that is easy to change
<scribe> ACTION: tal to modify the test for xml encoding [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/15-webfonts-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-95 - Modify the test for xml encoding [on Tal Leming - due 2011-06-22].
http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html#issue-16
jfkthame: yes we alked about that
action jfkthame to add the non-normative wording from richard ishida about droppingOT tables
<trackbot> Created ACTION-96 - Add the non-normative wording from richard ishida about droppingOT tables [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-06-22].
http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html#issue-31
Note:
The id attribute of the uniqueid element, and of several further metadata elements defined below, is not of type ID. Its form is
at the discretion of the font creator or vendor.
<scribe> ACTION: jfkthame: to add the resised wording on @id [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/15-webfonts-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-97 - Add the resised wording on @id [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-06-22].
Vlad: so its fixing bgs n how text shows up
jfkthame: same for filenames. there is a limit
ChrisL: (describes 3 options)
jfkthame: there are unicode controls for directionality that could be used if needed
Vlad: fine with the third option
jfkthame: option 2 would be much more complex. just not worth it
<scribe> ACTION: ChrisL to propose the third option [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/15-webfonts-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-98 - Propose the third option [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-06-22].
ChrisL: aparet from the above the edits are all good
<jdaggett> yup
<jdaggett> ChrisL: we lost you...
<Vlad> Chris, we lost you on the phone
(scribe got disconnected)
<scribe> ACTION: ChrisL to respond to Glenn [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/15-webfonts-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-99 - Respond to Glenn [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-06-22].
tal: f2f to discuss test suite?
Vlad: low response to typecon
suggstion
... what about atypi in september? or tpac in november
<jdaggett> atypi is in iceland?
cslye: will be at atypi
sergeym: not sure but more likely if we have a f2f
tal: sure
Vlad: will be and definitely if f2f
ChrisL: could be there
jdaggett: regrets during september
14-18 Sept, Rekjavik Iceland
<cslye> http://www.atypi.org/2011-reykjavik
12-12 are tutorials
adjourned
This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.136 of Date: 2011/05/12 12:01:43 Check for newer version at http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) Succeeded: s/Bet/Bert/ Succeeded: s/otes/notes/ Found ScribeNick: ChrisL Inferring Scribes: ChrisL Default Present: +1.978.790.aaaa, +44.845.397.aabb, +31.61.509.aacc, +1.425.882.aadd, ChrisL, +1.510.816.aaee Present: Tal Vlad Erik Christopher Sergey Chris Jonathan JDaggett Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2011Jun/0019.html Found Date: 15 Jun 2011 Guessing minutes URL: http://www.w3.org/2011/06/15-webfonts-minutes.html People with action items: chrisl jfkthame tal vlad[End of scribe.perl diagnostic output]