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13:50:45 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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13:50:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 
13:50:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
13:50:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Web and TV Interest Group Teleconference
13:50:48 <trackbot> Date: 14 June 2011
13:51:01 <kaz> zakim, list
13:51:01 <Zakim> I see Team_(wf)13:27Z, Team_(site)13:05Z active
13:51:03 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM, WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)9:00AM, Team_(MEET)10:00AM, INC_SSN()9:00AM, XML_(TAG TF)10:00AM, MWI_BPWG()9:30AM, TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM,
13:51:06 <Zakim> ... UW_WebTVIG(Home Net)10:00AM, Team_(RevCadence)9:00AM, T&S_XMLSEC()10:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM, Team_(pf)14:00Z, IA_Team()10:00AM
13:51:45 <kaz> zakim, this will be UW_WebTVIG(Home Net)
13:51:45 <Zakim> ok, kaz, I see UW_WebTVIG(Home Net)10:00AM already started
13:51:51 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:51:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.215.286.aaaa
13:51:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, davidmays, kaz, trackbot
13:52:02 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
13:52:02 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
13:52:03 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
13:53:03 <kaz> zakim, aaaa is David_Mays
13:53:03 <Zakim> +David_Mays; got it
13:56:55 <giuseppep> giuseppep has joined #webtv
13:57:05 <giuseppep> zakim, conference?
13:57:05 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, giuseppep.
13:58:55 <Zakim> +??P5
13:59:19 <JanL> JanL has joined #webtv
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13:59:27 <Zakim> + +1.303.503.aabb
13:59:29 <kaz> zakim, ??P5 is Clarke_Stevens
13:59:29 <Zakim> +Clarke_Stevens; got it
13:59:47 <kaz> zakim, aabb is Bob_Lund 
13:59:47 <Zakim> +Bob_Lund; got it
14:00:05 <Zakim> + +46.1.07.19.aacc
14:00:19 <igarashi> igarashi has joined #webtv
14:00:44 <donghyun_kang> donghyun_kang has joined #webtv
14:00:47 <Zakim> +??P15
14:00:59 <Zakim> + +82.26.91.2.aadd
14:01:02 <kaz> zakim, ??P15 is Giuseppe_Pascale
14:01:04 <Zakim> +Giuseppe_Pascale; got it
14:01:49 <kaz> zakim, aacc probably is Christian_Nord
14:01:59 <kaz> zakim, aacc is Christian_Nord?
14:02:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aacc probably is Christian_Nord', kaz
14:02:12 <Zakim> +Christian_Nord?; got it
14:03:24 <kaz> zakim, aadd is DongHyun_Kang
14:03:47 <Zakim> +DongHyun_Kang; got it
14:04:37 <Zakim> + +1.310.305.aaee
14:04:43 <kaz> zakim, aaee is Mark_Vickers
14:04:56 <Zakim> + +1.760.705.aaff
14:05:01 <Zakim> +Mark_Vickers; got it
14:05:21 <jcdufourd> jcdufourd has joined #webtv
14:05:27 <r> r has joined #webtv
14:06:10 <Zakim> + +1.503.712.aagg
14:06:17 <kaz> zakim, aaee is Russell_Berkoff
14:06:18 <Zakim> +??P45
14:06:22 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I do not recognize a party named 'aaee'
14:06:35 <kaz> zakim, aagg is Narm_Gadiraju
14:06:35 <Zakim> +Narm_Gadiraju; got it
14:07:24 <kaz> zakim, ??P45 is Jean-Claude_Dufourd
14:07:25 <Zakim> +Jean-Claude_Dufourd; got it
14:07:30 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
14:07:41 <kaz> scribe: kaz
14:07:41 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: David_Mays (6%), Giuseppe_Pascale (82%), Jean-Claude_Dufourd (28%)
14:07:42 <giuseppep> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/products/2
14:07:47 <kaz> chair: Giuseppe
14:08:05 <kaz> topic: actions
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14:08:11 <kaz> giuseppe: start with 16
14:08:33 <kaz> russell: should start with 17 first and then go back to 16
14:08:36 <giuseppep> ISSUE-17?
14:08:36 <trackbot> ISSUE-17 -- Use Case: Home Network Enabled User-Agent -- raised
14:08:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/17
14:08:36 <kaz> giuseppe: ok
14:09:12 <kaz> russell: question about password
14:09:30 <kaz> ... discussion on security
14:09:37 <kaz> ... password is managed locally
14:09:53 <kaz> ... rather than centrally managed
14:10:41 <jcdufourd> q+
14:10:54 <kaz> giuseppe: think it's fine
14:11:05 <Zakim> +Nilo_Mitra
14:11:09 <kaz> ... you can split media player/recorder
14:11:23 <JanL> +q
14:11:24 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:11:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_Mays, Kazuyuki, Clarke_Stevens, Bob_Lund, Christian_Nord?, Giuseppe_Pascale, DongHyun_Kang, Mark_Vickers, +1.760.705.aaff, Narm_Gadiraju,
14:11:29 <Zakim> ... Jean-Claude_Dufourd, Nilo_Mitra
14:11:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see NiloMitra, r, jcdufourd, donghyun_kang, igarashi, Clarke, JanL, giuseppep, Zakim, RRSAgent, davidmays, kaz, trackbot
14:11:33 <kaz> ... probably better to split them
14:11:43 <kaz> russell: fine
14:11:44 <Zakim> + +81.90.146.3.aahh
14:12:00 <kaz> ... separate use cases eventually
14:12:56 <kaz> giuseppe: you can put note on DLNA/UPnP in not the use case but additional note section
14:13:01 <kaz> russell: did so
14:13:03 <kaz> giuseppe: ok
14:13:11 <kaz> russell: five categories
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14:13:35 <kaz> ... user agent.  requirement for generating content
14:13:40 <kaz> ... for home network
14:14:07 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Home_Network_TF_Discussions/UPnPHomeNetworkUA Russell's writeup on the Wiki
14:14:38 <kaz> russell: (explains his writeup)
14:15:17 <kaz> ... second. Media Server
14:15:42 <kaz> ... third. metadata like date, etc.
14:16:15 <kaz> s/second. Media Server/
14:16:59 <kaz> s/third./requirements for Media Player device/
14:17:51 <kaz> s/his writeup/Scenarios section/
14:18:00 <kaz> zakim, who is speaking?
14:18:11 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Clarke_Stevens (88%)
14:18:21 <JanL> clarke is speaking
14:18:26 <kaz> clarke: special case for buffered device?
14:18:54 <kaz> russell: add clarification
14:19:07 <kaz> zakim, Christian_Nord? is Jan_Lindquist
14:19:07 <Zakim> +Jan_Lindquist; got it
14:19:31 <kaz> jan: numbered list would be easier to read
14:19:49 <kaz> russell: usually use numbered list...
14:20:20 <kaz> [ Media Server device ]
14:21:28 <kaz> russell: (explains) Media Server device
14:21:38 <igarashi> igarashi has joined #webtv
14:22:01 <kaz> jan: managing locally on your PC?
14:22:18 <test> test has joined #webtv
14:22:22 <kaz> russell: user agent is used for media server
14:22:33 <kaz> ... it exposes contents to home network
14:22:56 <kaz> jan: administrating metadata for the content?
14:23:53 <kaz> giuseppe: some content from YouTube, and another content on local USB
14:24:05 <kaz> russell: can capture the comments
14:25:48 <kaz> q+
14:25:53 <giuseppep> q?
14:26:07 <kaz> zakim, who is speaking?
14:26:17 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bob_Lund (100%), +1.760.705.aaff (27%)
14:26:44 <kaz> bob: is that more requirement on how to implement media server?
14:27:02 <kaz> ... interaction in home network
14:27:07 <kaz> russell: correct
14:27:45 <kaz> ... media server is not necessarily implemented using a specific method
14:28:59 <kaz> [ Recording device ]
14:29:54 <kaz> russell: capture content based on time/date
14:30:04 <davidmays> q+
14:30:04 <kaz> ... and based on EPG
14:30:06 <Zakim> +??P2
14:30:18 <Zakim> -Bob_Lund
14:30:46 <kaz> zakim, who is speaking
14:30:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is speaking', kaz
14:30:50 <kaz> zakim, who is speaking?
14:31:00 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P2 (5%)
14:31:06 <kaz> ???: difference between EPG-based and metadate-based
14:31:36 <kaz> s/???/clarke/
14:32:00 <kaz> russell: @@@
14:32:11 <kaz> zakim, who is speaking?
14:32:21 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: David_Mays (5%), ??P2 (4%), Narm_Gadiraju (20%)
14:32:44 <kaz> ???: the recording device should provide notification
14:33:32 <kaz> russell: yes, the device should provide notification on recording status, schedule change, future activity, etc.
14:33:40 <kaz> s/???:/bob?:/
14:34:32 <kaz> ... for example, if I don't specify channel, the recording device should show several choices
14:34:36 <kaz> q?
14:35:05 <kaz> ... recording instructions, etc.
14:35:19 <JanL> were we going to limit issues to 10 minutes on each issue?
14:36:05 <JanL> this is a broad issue so it needs more time
14:36:15 <davidmays> -q
14:36:38 <JanL> +q
14:37:03 <kaz> [ Media oriented device ]
14:37:28 <kaz> s/Media/UA commands other media/
14:37:37 <kaz> s/device/devices/
14:37:49 <kaz> russell: camera angles, etc.
14:37:58 <kaz> s/camera/control camera/
14:38:13 <kaz> zakim, who is speaking?
14:38:24 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P2 (4%)
14:38:25 <kaz> ???: security?
14:38:38 <kaz> zakim, ??P2 is Bob?
14:38:38 <Zakim> +Bob?; got it
14:38:50 <kaz> s/???:/bob:/
14:39:07 <kaz> giuseppe: we can discuss security more
14:39:23 <igarashi> q+
14:39:44 <kaz> [ Future device classes ]
14:40:15 <kaz> giuseppe: let's continue the discussion by email
14:40:26 <kaz> ... you suggested some extension is needed
14:40:55 <kaz> ... what kind of extension is needed should be discussed
14:41:11 <kaz> ... good to point out what the missing pieces are
14:41:26 <kaz> s/bob:/@@@:/
14:42:10 <kaz> russell: will do
14:42:39 <kaz> ... there is some concern metadata can't be delivered using DLNA etc.
14:42:51 <kaz> giuseppe: will continue the discussion by email
14:42:54 <kaz> russell: ok
14:43:10 <kaz> q?
14:43:20 <kaz> zakim, who is speaking?
14:43:36 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Giuseppe_Pascale (25%), +1.760.705.aaff (18%)
14:43:44 <kaz> ???: not sure if this could be done in specific situation
14:43:51 <kaz> s/???:/jc:/
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14:44:06 <kaz> russell: I think it's generic use case description
14:44:23 <kaz> ... not depending on specific implementation
14:45:06 <kaz> giuseppe: it's still early stage, so don't need to discuss detailed methods for messaging, etc.
14:45:58 <kaz> ... if you need specific APIs or messaging mechanism, that should be separate discussion
14:46:16 <JanL> the queue system is not quite working well
14:46:27 <kaz> q?
14:46:32 <kaz> ack jc
14:47:56 <giuseppep> ack kaz
14:48:22 <igarashi_> q+
14:48:22 <igarashi_> q+
14:48:43 <kaz> kaz: we should split issue-17 into 5 separate use cases, shouldn't we?
14:48:46 <kaz> russell: will do
14:48:50 <kaz> q?
14:49:55 <jcdufourd> my earlier question to Russel was: is the issue-17 about defining a set of APIs including one to list available home network media server, or is it about having a generic API that allows to do all the described cases 
14:49:55 <kaz> jan: (missed first two comments...)
14:50:16 <kaz> ... security portion?
14:51:00 <kaz> igarashi: related to comments from Kaz and Jan
14:51:12 <kaz> ... kind of confused
14:51:22 <kaz> ... what is the point of this use case?
14:51:43 <kaz> russell: originally what currently UPnP does
14:51:58 <kaz> ... but I removed "UPnP specific portion" from the use case
14:52:59 <kaz> igarashi: all of the use cases are actually examples of user's requirements for basic framework
14:53:45 <kaz> ... in that case, you don't have to split this big use case, but simply re-define a generic use case including the current topics as examples
14:54:03 <kaz> russell: what kind of format would fit?
14:54:16 <kaz> ... how could I mention metadata handler?
14:54:24 <kaz> ... it's kind of complicated
14:55:07 <Zakim> -Jean-Claude_Dufourd
14:55:10 <kaz> igarashi: you don't need to explain the details of methods for your use cases
14:56:51 <kaz> ... I think the detailed description in this "Home Network Enabled User-Agent" use case
14:56:59 <kaz> ... it's rather examples
14:57:34 <kaz> ... maybe you should explain a "Basic framework for home network enabled UAs"
14:58:06 <kaz> giuseppe: the point is how to enable which capability
14:58:30 <kaz> russell: would care of the details of implementation mechanism
14:59:15 <kaz> igarashi: we should clarify what kind of messages should be invoked at which devices/servers
14:59:52 <kaz> ... for example, what kind of metadata, e.g., title, is needed
14:59:59 <kaz> ... that is use case
15:00:07 <Zakim> -Mark_Vickers
15:00:23 <kaz> giuseppe: (we're out of time) so let's continue the discussion on the mailing list
15:01:20 <kaz> jan: can agree removing UPnP, etc.
15:01:31 <kaz> s/UPnP/mentioning UPnP/
15:01:54 <kaz> ... relationship with 24?
15:02:03 <kaz> giuseppe: how to merge with that?
15:02:34 <kaz> jan: relationship w/ 17?
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15:02:50 <kaz> giuseppe: it would be better to wait for a specific WG
15:03:30 <kaz> jan: there is no exact APIs for local function like DLNA
15:04:00 <kaz> ... we have DLNA stack and also guidelines
15:04:21 <kaz> giuseppe: let's talk by email how/whether to merge with 17
15:04:26 <kaz> jan: ok
15:05:25 <davidmays> bye
15:05:27 <kaz> giuseppe: will continue discussion by ML
15:05:29 <Clarke> bye
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15:05:39 <kaz> ... next week we'll start with 24
15:05:45 <Zakim> -Clarke_Stevens
15:05:47 <Zakim> -David_Mays
15:05:48 <Zakim> - +1.760.705.aaff
15:05:49 <Zakim> - +81.90.146.3.aahh
15:06:00 <Zakim> -Jan_Lindquist
15:06:08 <kaz> s/24/18
15:06:16 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
15:06:32 <Zakim> -Giuseppe_Pascale
15:06:33 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
15:06:35 <Zakim> -DongHyun_Kang
15:06:37 <Zakim> -Nilo_Mitra
15:06:44 <Zakim> -Narm_Gadiraju
15:06:49 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
15:06:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bob?
15:07:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see igarashi, test, narm, NiloMitra, r, donghyun_kang, giuseppep, Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, trackbot
15:07:24 <kaz> zakim, drop Bob?
15:07:32 <Zakim> Bob? is being disconnected
15:07:34 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG(Home Net)10:00AM has ended
15:07:37 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.215.286.aaaa, Kazuyuki, David_Mays, +1.303.503.aabb, Clarke_Stevens, Bob_Lund, +46.1.07.19.aacc, +82.26.91.2.aadd, Giuseppe_Pascale, DongHyun_Kang,
15:07:43 <Zakim> ... +1.310.305.aaee, +1.760.705.aaff, Mark_Vickers, +1.503.712.aagg, Narm_Gadiraju, Jean-Claude_Dufourd, Nilo_Mitra, +81.90.146.3.aahh, Jan_Lindquist, Bob?
15:12:28 <kaz> Present: David_Mays, Kazuyuki, Clarke_Stevens, Jan_Lindquist, Giuseppe_Pascale, DongHyun_Kang, Mark_Vickers, +1.760.705.aaff, Narm_Gadiraju, Jean-Claude_Dufourd, Zakim, Nilo_Mitra, Igarashi_Tatsuya, Bob_Lund
15:12:44 <kaz> Regrets: Francois
15:12:51 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
15:12:56 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:12:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/14-webtv-minutes.html kaz
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