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<trackbot> Date: 27 April 2011
whoever was calling fro US or Canada area code 781 had a very noisy line and has been muted
<Vlad> aaaa is Vlad, I am in the office but it is noisy here
<scribe> ScribeNick: ChrisL
Vlad: action was closed, original
wording was added to spec
... Chris and I had discussions with Maciej and Dave from
Apple
... productive call, primary objection was that SOR was
specific to WOFF
... we al agreed better in CSS3 fonts, via css@font-face
... Maciej says this is easier to implement
... and that if this is *normative* in CSS3 Font then it
resolves his objection
... so as long as CSS WG agrees we are good
... so we need an email from WebFonts WG to CSS WG asking for
this
ChrisL: and stage 2 is to get editing help from Apple to work on from-Origin (CORER) spec
jdaggett, can you get onto the phone?
Vlad: so then we can reference CSS3 Fonts module and remove the requirement from WOFF
<scribe> ACTION: jfkthame to add updated at-risk wording to spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/27-webfonts-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-87 - Add updated at-risk wording to spec [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-05-04].
<cslye> Would someone mind posting a link to the latest draft spec?
Vlad: saw some recent comments
http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html
Vlad: time to wait for a response
cslye: will send in responses for issues 3 to 8 asap
http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html#issue-34
action jfkthame to add wording on last call issue 34
<trackbot> Created ACTION-88 - Add wording on last call issue 34 [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-05-04].
ChrisL: should add example with license URI and no text inline to spec?
Vlad: ok, add it
... but spec seems clear
(noisy line issues)
jfkthame and ChrisL willhave an editing telcon to resolve remaining spec edits
<Vlad> Link for action 87: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2011Mar/0002.html
http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-fonts/#font-face-loading
jfkthame: its in the editors draft section 4.8
<jfkthame> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-fonts/Overview.html#same-origin-restriction
CSS Fonts Module Level 3
Editor's Draft 25 March 2011
CSS Fonts Module Level 3
Editor's Draft 7 April 2011
ChrisL: ok that is wierd
jfkthame: section 4.8 is clear so
the editor agrees
... so we need the reaction of the CSS WG, editor agrees
already
Vlad: good, but that does not ACTION: Chris to send email to CSS WG asking for SOR to be mandatory as it is in editors draft
Vlad: what is the timescale for spec editing efforts
jfkthame: swamped recently but if talk with Chris next week then we can get the other edits done quickly, next week or so
Vlad: so in 2 weeks we will have all remaining answers, if they respond, and also the spec edits done
ChrisL (explains transition call procedure)
ChrisL: there is a period of required notice for a transition call
Vlad: out on 11 May
cslye; so am I
action-80?
<trackbot> ACTION-80 -- Chris Lilley to respond on Use of attributes for human readable text -- due 2011-03-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/80
close action-80
<trackbot> ACTION-80 Respond on Use of attributes for human readable text closed
action-57?
<trackbot> ACTION-57 -- Jonathan Kew to respons on issue-14 -- due 2011-01-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/57
commentor accepted
close action-57
<trackbot> ACTION-57 Respons on issue-14 closed
http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html#issue-14
action-79?
<trackbot> ACTION-79 -- Chris Lilley to respond on issue-25 -- due 2011-03-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/79
<scribe> done just before call
close action-79
<trackbot> ACTION-79 Respond on issue-25 closed
ChrisL: neeed to update DoC on
issues 25 and 26
... sent just before call
action-85?
<trackbot> ACTION-85 -- Chris Lilley to find out from mac users how to set binary in the commandline cvs -- due 2011-04-13 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/85
close action-85
<trackbot> ACTION-85 Find out from mac users how to set binary in the commandline cvs closed
action-86?
<trackbot> ACTION-86 -- Vladimir Levantovsky to email the WebFonts WG with the proposed response to ISO -- due 2011-04-20 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/86
Vlad: adressed after last call
close action-86
<trackbot> ACTION-86 Email the WebFonts WG with the proposed response to ISO closed
Vlad: two proposals in ISO, bth require parameters
ChrisL: IETF does not like media types that require sniffing of the content to add parameters. They like a simple one to one mapping from filename extension
Vlad: proposal is to distinguish
simple, opentype and graphite layout and ttf or cff
outlines
... for MP4 it has five different medie types depending on
payload
cslye: are implementors likely to comment on what they prefer?
Vlad: not sure what is the driving force.
cslye: where is this written up, so i can get internal review?
Vlad: (checks)
jfkthame: not much value in media type distinctions.more interested in @font-format hints
Vlad: so you prefer a single media type?
<Vlad> Link to ISO amendment: http://mpeg.chiariglione.org/working_documents/mpeg-04/part22/off-amd.zip
jfkthame: not much value from
either different media types or frm parameters. a single media
type is fine as it does not help make the decision to request
the resource or not
... that decision depends on the @font-face rule
Vlad: that is true for CSS renderers. but there are other uses of fonts, including remote font linking
ChrisL: like mpeg-4 scene descriptions?
Vlad: yes
cslye: woff does have a limitation in how its intended to be deployed. does that provide enough control?
Vlad: fonts can be used in other rich media and they need media types
ChrisL: @font-face was originally going to use media types but that did not work out so we ended up with magic strings, unfortunately
Vlad: can the mpeg4 precedent be used?
ChrisL: depends also on serfver side or client-side labelling
cslye: do the implementors want this or care about it?
Vlad: in some cases, yes
cslye: if they don't have to download and inspect it ...
Vlad: most such implementations are mobile and constrained resource
ChrisL: in that case I suggest a single sfnt media type with params for glyph type and layout table usage
Vlad: thats what Dave Singer proposed also
adjourned
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