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15:57:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:57:39 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WEBID
15:57:39 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see INC_WEBID(WEBID)12:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
15:57:40 <trackbot> Meeting: WebID Incubator Group Teleconference
15:57:40 <trackbot> Date: 25 April 2011
15:58:09 <Zakim> INC_WEBID(WEBID)12:00PM has now started
15:58:16 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:58:41 <domel> i am IPcaller
15:58:49 <domel> zakim, i am IPcaller
15:58:49 <Zakim> ok, domel, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
15:59:04 <bblfish> ok, we'll have a very light meeting today on procedure
15:59:23 <domel> I am on teleconf
16:00:36 <bergi> mh, i'm getting an user not available error
16:00:38 <domel> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:00:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller]
16:00:43 <Zakim> +??P10
16:00:56 <bblfish> Zakim, ??P10 is bblfish
16:00:56 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it
16:01:35 <bblfish> zakim, who is here?
16:01:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], bblfish
16:02:32 <domel> zakim, I am [IPcaller]
16:02:32 <Zakim> ok, domel, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
16:02:40 <domel> zakim, who is here?
16:02:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], bblfish
16:03:06 <jeffsayre> jeffsayre has joined #webid
16:03:34 <Zakim> + +1.650.450.aaaa
16:03:44 <bblfish> agenda +accept last weeks minutes http://www.w3.org/2011/04/18-webid-minutes.html
16:03:54 <bblfish> what is on the agenda
16:04:03 <jeffsayre> Zakim, I am +1.650.450.aaaa
16:04:03 <Zakim> +jeffsayre; got it
16:04:27 <bblfish> zakim, agenda?
16:04:27 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
16:04:28 <Zakim> 6. ACTION-23: Start a position paper for Identity in the browser workshop http://www.w3.org/2011/identity-ws/ [from bblfish]
16:04:30 <Zakim> 7. accept last weeks minutes http://www.w3.org/2011/04/18-webid-minutes.html [from bblfish]
16:04:46 <bblfish> skip agendum
16:05:24 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:06:04 <bblfish> drop adendum
16:06:09 <Zakim> +??P1
16:06:10 <bblfish> drop agendum
16:06:22 <bblfish> agenda-
16:06:30 <domel> Zakim, I am ??P1
16:06:30 <Zakim> +domel; got it
16:06:32 <bblfish> agenda -6
16:06:36 <domel> zakim, who is here?
16:06:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see bblfish, jeffsayre, domel
16:06:36 <bblfish> agenda -7
16:06:50 <bblfish> agenda +accept last weeks minutes http://www.w3.org/2011/04/18-webid-minutes.html
16:06:59 <bblfish> next agendum
16:07:05 <bblfish> +1
16:07:11 <jeffsayre> +1
16:07:30 <bblfish> RESOLVED: Minutes approved
16:07:48 <domel> +1
16:08:06 <bblfish> zakim, who is here?
16:08:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see bblfish, jeffsayre, domel
16:08:09 <Zakim> + +1.805.416.aabb
16:08:16 <bblfish> who else is present and not on the phone
16:08:34 <bergi> here
16:09:26 <bblfish> are you on the phone
16:09:29 <bergi> no
16:09:36 <bblfish> can you get on it?
16:09:45 <bblfish> to inroduce yourself?
16:09:59 <bergi> i'm getting this user not available error
16:10:15 <bblfish> when you try to call in ?
16:10:21 <bergi> yes
16:10:29 <bblfish> where are you calling from?
16:10:33 <jeffsayre> 93243
16:10:38 <bergi> ekig supports externa (non @ekiga.net) calls?
16:10:53 <domel> bergi, yes
16:10:59 <jeffsayre> Zakim code is 93243
16:11:05 <peterw> peterw has joined #webid
16:11:26 <bblfish> you can call zakim@voip.w3.org
16:11:35 <bblfish> or in the us +1.617.761.6200
16:11:44 <bblfish> france: +33.4.26.46.79.03
16:12:02 <bblfish> you have to type the code very slowly
16:12:11 <bblfish> the 93243 code
16:12:12 <bergi> i'm in germany, at home so i would like to use sip
16:12:18 <bblfish> ah ok
16:12:30 <bblfish> I am using SIP
16:13:31 <bergi> with 93243 i'm getting the same error as with zakim@voip.w3.org
16:13:35 <bblfish> agenda +talk about berlin
16:13:56 <bblfish> bergi type it VERY slowly
16:14:01 <bblfish> try it again
16:14:38 <bblfish> next agendum
16:15:01 <bergi> bblfish: i'm using the client software. you have to type the number before you can call so it's not possible to type slowly
16:15:15 <bblfish> what OS are you on?
16:15:20 <bergi> windwos 7
16:15:40 <bblfish> try http://icanblink.com/
16:15:57 <bblfish> who can make it Berlin?
16:17:28 <bergi> perhaps i will come. is there a deadline for the registration?
16:17:41 <bblfish> you should register soon
16:17:58 <bblfish> we want to meet on Friday morning to work out WebID details
16:18:26 <bblfish> agenda +Browser & WebID paper
16:19:05 <bblfish> looks good
16:20:07 <bblfish> anybody else who has a paper for Berlin?
16:20:10 <bblfish> or something to show?
16:20:17 <bblfish> It's meant to be a hacking session also
16:20:26 <Zakim> +??P15
16:21:00 <bblfish> Bergi joined !
16:21:11 <bblfish> zakim, ??P15 is bergi
16:21:11 <Zakim> +bergi; got it
16:21:22 <bblfish> agendum skip
16:21:40 <peterw> yes
16:21:51 <bblfish> agendum + "introduce new members"
16:21:55 <bblfish> agendum 11
16:22:27 <domel> zakim, who is here?
16:22:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see bblfish, jeffsayre, domel, +1.805.416.aabb, bergi
16:22:54 <peterw> 805 is peterw
16:23:08 <bblfish> take up agendum 11
16:23:16 <bblfish> please introduce yourself
16:23:26 <bblfish> Bergi works in php
16:23:55 <bblfish> bergi is working on a triple store 
16:24:41 <bergi> https://www.axolotlfarm.org/~bergi/projects/rme/
16:26:20 <domel> domel is working on triplestore / quardstore too
16:27:37 <jeffsayre> jeffsayre has joined #webid
16:28:05 <bblfish> agenda +Test suites
16:28:09 <bblfish> next agendum
16:28:24 <bblfish> skip agendum
16:28:26 <peterw> test suite needs to addres bergi issue - his server cert is from CAcert - a CA not recognized by any browser and only very few server trust stores.
16:28:31 <jeffsayre> who's here?
16:28:34 <Zakim> - +1.805.416.aabb
16:28:44 <bblfish> next agendum
16:29:02 <jeffsayre> who's on the phone?
16:29:06 <Zakim> + +1.805.416.aacc
16:29:14 <bblfish> move to agendum 10
16:29:22 <bblfish> move to agendum 11
16:29:28 <bblfish> so we just did that
16:29:30 <bblfish> move to agendum 12
16:30:10 <bblfish> CA limitiations we cannot address like this, people have to buy the CAs
16:30:18 <domel> bblfish I suggest that first point was a conference in Berlin and a second the paper, because I will disconnect in a few minutes.
16:30:20 <bblfish> that will solved with adoption DANE
16:31:36 <bblfish> Electronic Frontier Foundation TLS radar
16:42:22 <peterw> we just dont want the situation (surely) that there are 10 deployementrs of the test suite, and one client authn act to each of those endpoitns is qualifies as : good in 3 case, bad in 4 and warned in 2. i make it look like noone can decide when to allow access (or not)
16:44:05 <peterw> ok. issue done (for me).
16:44:06 <bblfish> ok that cool
16:44:15 <bblfish> ok that cool
16:44:16 <bblfish> 
16:44:31 <bblfish> take up agendum 10
16:44:37 <peterw> +q
16:44:44 <peterw> please remove rapattoni
16:45:04 <bblfish> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YMY_UEIuZzZRvPem5cWg1DuC5FqN2DejOBYPX_51q7s/edit?hl=en&authkey=CI7q4cIC#
16:46:07 <peterw> (-q
16:46:08 <peterw> -q
16:53:38 <peterw> i advise removing the claim about micropayments 
16:54:36 <mischat> mischat has joined #webid
16:55:23 <peterw> summary if IA issue: makes sense to reach out to audit  and evaluation community, to help them formulate criteria for the new world of self-signed cert (as mainstream ideas, once countersigned by DNSSec (server certs), or other foaf users (client certs))
16:55:25 <jeffsayre> peterw: There is an important new open source project that will be integrating micropayments
16:56:47 <jeffsayre> peterw: correction that will be integrating WebID into the micropayment arch
16:57:42 <peterw> (micropayments is fraught with politics - being a controlled activity. none of the 1998/9 era micro-payments scheme ever hit the big time. Just be careful not to hurt certs, by trying to a controlled activity (minting currencies)
16:58:34 <peterw> unless reall critical to our argument (or major adoption community), just reconsider.
16:59:19 <jeffsayre> peterw: See http://payswarm.com/ It's not about minting any new currencies 
16:59:57 <peterw> ok. so its a claim of adoption  (which is the point to make)
17:23:26 <Zakim> - +1.805.416.aacc
17:23:41 <bblfish> so we just rearanged the paper a bit
17:23:45 <bblfish> to make it more logical
17:23:57 <bblfish> the sections follow more logically
17:27:37 <domel> bblfish, what was changed? I was a bit away. I see one less section...
17:27:48 <bblfish> look at the diffs
17:29:42 <bergi> http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/IPv6-Smartphones-compromise-users-privacy-1169708.html
18:03:00 <domel> zakim, who is here?
18:03:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see bblfish, jeffsayre, domel, bergi
18:12:35 <Zakim> -domel
18:14:37 <jeffsayre> http://identity20.com/media/images/W3CWebAuth_Sxip.pdf
18:43:55 <Zakim> -bergi
18:43:57 <Zakim> -jeffsayre
18:44:08 <Zakim> -bblfish
18:44:09 <Zakim> INC_WEBID(WEBID)12:00PM has ended
18:44:11 <Zakim> Attendees were [IPcaller], bblfish, +1.650.450.aaaa, jeffsayre, domel, +1.805.416.aabb, bergi, +1.805.416.aacc
18:44:37 <bblfish> trackbot, end meeting
18:44:37 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
18:44:37 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
18:44:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
18:44:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/25-webid-minutes.html trackbot
18:44:39 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
18:44:39 <RRSAgent> I see no action items