IRC log of webtv on 2011-04-19
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-webtv-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be
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- I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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- Meeting: Web and TV Interest Group Teleconference
- 13:52:22 [trackbot]
- Date: 19 April 2011
- 13:52:52 [francois]
- Meeting: Home Network Task Force (Web and TV IG) Call
- 13:52:55 [francois]
- zakim, what conferences?
- 13:52:55 [Zakim]
- I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)9:00AM active
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- also scheduled at this time are T&S_XMLSEC()10:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM, IA_Team()10:00AM, XML_(TAG TF)10:00AM, INC_SSN()9:00AM, Team_(MEET)10:00AM, MWI_BPWG()9:30AM,
- 13:53:00 [Zakim]
- ... Team_(business)14:00Z, TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM, SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM, Team_(webtv)14:00Z
- 13:53:18 [francois]
- zakim, this will be webtv
- 13:53:18 [Zakim]
- ok, francois; I see Team_(webtv)14:00Z scheduled to start in 7 minutes
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- Chair: Giuseppe
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2011Apr/0102.html
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- Team_(webtv)14:00Z has now started
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- +??P3
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- zakim, ??P3 is me
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- +kaz; got it
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- + +82.26.91.2.aaaa
- 13:57:30 [kaz]
- zakim, where is +82?
- 13:57:30 [Zakim]
- country code 82 is South Korea
- 13:57:57 [kaz]
- zakim, aaaa is donhyun
- 13:57:57 [Zakim]
- +donhyun; got it
- 13:58:13 [kaz]
- zakim, donhyun is donghyun
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- +donghyun; got it
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- + +1.303.503.aabb
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- + +1.613.479.aacc
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- +Bjorn_Bringert
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- +??P14
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- + +1.317.721.aadd
- 14:00:11 [francois]
- zakim, aadd is me
- 14:00:11 [Zakim]
- +francois; got it
- 14:00:12 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 14:00:13 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see kaz, donghyun, +1.303.503.aabb, +1.613.479.aacc, Bjorn_Bringert, ??P14, francois
- 14:00:21 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see christian_soderst, kaz, Zakim, RRSAgent, donghyun_kang, jcdufourd, giuseppep, francois, trackbot
- 14:00:23 [francois]
- zakim, mute me
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- francois should now be muted
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- + +1.613.479.aaee
- 14:00:47 [francois]
- ack me
- 14:00:50 [jcdufourd]
- zakim, ??P14 is me
- 14:01:01 [Zakim]
- +jcdufourd; got it
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- +??P25
- 14:01:12 [Nilo]
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- +Paul_Bagshaw
- 14:01:28 [kaz]
- zakim, aaee is Clarke_Stevens
- 14:01:28 [Zakim]
- +Clarke_Stevens; got it
- 14:01:42 [Zakim]
- + +81.90.146.3.aaff
- 14:02:00 [Zakim]
- +??P29
- 14:02:02 [kaz]
- zakim, where is +81?
- 14:02:03 [Zakim]
- country code 81 is Japan
- 14:02:39 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 14:02:39 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see kaz, donghyun, +1.303.503.aabb, +1.613.479.aacc, Bjorn_Bringert, jcdufourd, francois, Clarke_Stevens, ??P25, Paul_Bagshaw, +81.90.146.3.aaff, ??P29
- 14:02:42 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see Nilo, yosuke, christian_soderst, kaz, Zakim, RRSAgent, donghyun_kang, jcdufourd, giuseppep, francois, trackbot
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- zakim, who is speaking?
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- kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: francois (45%), +1.613.479.aacc (58%), Clarke_Stevens (78%)
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- + +46.1.07.19.aagg
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- + +1.503.712.aahh
- 14:04:18 [kaz]
- zakim, who is speaking?
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- +Nilo_Mitra
- 14:04:29 [Zakim]
- kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.303.503.aabb (5%), francois (11%), +1.613.479.aacc (72%), Bjorn_Bringert (5%), Clarke_Stevens (63%),
- 14:04:32 [Zakim]
- ... +1.503.712.aahh (4%)
- 14:04:33 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 14:04:43 [kaz]
- zakim, where is +46?
- 14:04:43 [Zakim]
- country code 46 is Sweden
- 14:04:43 [Clarke]
- Clarke has joined #webtv
- 14:05:01 [giuseppep]
- christian
- 14:05:09 [christian_soderst]
- :)
- 14:05:10 [kaz]
- zakim, aagg is Giuseppe,Christina
- 14:05:10 [Zakim]
- +Giuseppe,Christina; got it
- 14:05:29 [kaz]
- zakim, Giuseppe,Christina is Giuseppe,Christian
- 14:05:29 [Zakim]
- +Giuseppe,Christian; got it
- 14:05:45 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 14:05:45 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see kaz, donghyun, +1.303.503.aabb, +1.613.479.aacc, Bjorn_Bringert, jcdufourd, francois, Clarke_Stevens, ??P25, Paul_Bagshaw, +81.90.146.3.aaff, ??P29,
- 14:05:49 [Zakim]
- ... Giuseppe,Christian, +1.503.712.aahh, Nilo_Mitra, [IPcaller]
- 14:05:49 [igarashi]
- +igarashi, sony
- 14:05:51 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see Clarke, aizu, igarashi, [Samsung]rberkoff, Nilo, yosuke, christian_soderst, kaz, Zakim, RRSAgent, donghyun_kang, jcdufourd, giuseppep, francois, trackbot
- 14:05:52 [Clarke]
- Clarke is Clarke Stevens from CableLabs
- 14:05:55 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 14:05:58 [francois]
- scribe: francois
- 14:06:02 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see kaz, donghyun, +1.303.503.aabb, +1.613.479.aacc, Bjorn_Bringert, jcdufourd, francois, Clarke_Stevens, ??P25, Paul_Bagshaw, +81.90.146.3.aaff, ??P29,
- 14:06:08 [aizu]
- +aizu, TOSHIBA
- 14:06:08 [Zakim]
- ... Giuseppe,Christian, +1.503.712.aahh, Nilo_Mitra, [IPcaller]
- 14:06:12 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see Clarke, aizu, igarashi, [Samsung]rberkoff, Nilo, yosuke, christian_soderst, kaz, Zakim, RRSAgent, donghyun_kang, jcdufourd, giuseppep, francois, trackbot
- 14:06:15 [Zakim]
- + +358.405.74aaii
- 14:06:18 [francois]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:06:26 [francois]
- zakim, who is making noise?
- 14:06:27 [Zakim]
- francois should now be muted
- 14:06:29 [kaz]
- [ please mute yourself when you are not talking ]
- 14:06:36 [Zakim]
- francois, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Clarke_Stevens (81%)
- 14:06:40 [kaz]
- giuseppe
- 14:06:44 [francois]
- giuseppe: Hi everyone, let's start with a quick round of presentation.
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- ack me
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- 14:06:53 [kaz]
- francois from w3c
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- zakim, mute me
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- francois should now be muted
- 14:08:28 [narm]
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- 14:08:32 [kaz]
- kaz: another staff contact. tx for participating in this group!
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- -kaz
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- +??P3
- 14:09:14 [francois]
- russell: Russell Berkoff from Samsung
- 14:09:31 [kaz]
- Present: Giuseppe, Francois, Kaz, Russel
- 14:09:35 [kaz]
- Present: Giuseppe, Francois, Kaz, Russell
- 14:10:18 [francois]
- JanLindquist: from Ericsson, interested to contribute use cases and requirements.
- 14:10:30 [kaz]
- Pressent+ Jon
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- Pressent+ Narm
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- Narm: from Intel, interested in discussing technologies
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- Pressent+ Christian
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- Christian: from Opera software
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- Clarke: from CableLabs
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- Pressent+ Clarke
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- Pressent+ Jean-Claude
- 14:11:34 [francois]
- jcd: Jean-Claude Dufourd from ParisTech, SVG and other groups in W3C
- 14:11:34 [kaz]
- Pressent+ Tatsuya
- 14:12:00 [kaz]
- Pressent+ David
- 14:12:12 [kaz]
- zakim, Paul_Bagshaw is David_Corvoysier
- 14:12:12 [Zakim]
- +David_Corvoysier; got it
- 14:12:19 [panze]
- Panu Markkanen from Nokia
- 14:12:22 [francois]
- DavidCorvoysier: from France Telecom, attending the IPTV Forum
- 14:12:25 [Clarke]
- Hi Panu!
- 14:12:28 [kaz]
- Pressent+ Panu
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- Panu: attending UPnP/DLNA
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- rrsagent, make log member
- 14:13:05 [francois]
- Topic: TF Charter
- 14:13:12 [giuseppep]
- http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Home_Network_TF_Charter
- 14:13:21 [francois]
- giuseppe: goal is to agree on scope and deliverables for this task force
- 14:13:36 [francois]
- ... I'd like to know whether it's ok as it is or if you have change suggestions.
- 14:13:46 [Zakim]
- + +358.405.81aajj
- 14:13:56 [kaz]
- zakim, where is +358?
- 14:13:56 [Zakim]
- country code 358 is Finland
- 14:14:20 [francois]
- ... starting from end date: end of July. I'd be the initial moderator.
- 14:14:27 [francois]
- ... Comments are welcome
- 14:14:41 [francois]
- ack me
- 14:15:15 [francois]
- zakim, mute me
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- francois should now be muted
- 14:15:16 [kaz]
- [ zakim, mute me ]
- 14:15:24 [kaz]
- :)
- 14:15:44 [francois]
- Narm: Clarification on meeting slot. Is it fixed?
- 14:16:22 [francois]
- giuseppe: we can revisit if we have feedback. Based on questionnaire, it seems like the best option we have. Unless people object to it, I'd keep it.
- 14:16:59 [kaz]
- kaz: giuseppe, are you planning to hold this call weekly/biweekly?
- 14:17:30 [francois]
- giuseppe: bi-weekly
- 14:17:57 [kaz]
- Present: Giuseppe, Francois, Kaz, Russell, Jon, Narm, Christian, Clarke, Jean-Claude, Tatsuya, David, Panu
- 14:18:15 [francois]
- giuseppe: ref. the scope. The IG is not to write standards, but to work on roadmap, priorities, inputs for working groups.
- 14:18:18 [Bob]
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- 14:18:19 [kaz]
- q+ to ask who joined from Finland right before this topic?
- 14:18:25 [Clarke]
- Bob Lund from Cablelabs is also on the phone
- 14:18:37 [kaz]
- Present+ Bob_Lund
- 14:18:53 [francois]
- ... On top of use cases, we need to discuss where we'd like this work to be taken forward.
- 14:19:28 [igarashi]
- Present+igarashi
- 14:19:30 [francois]
- ... Deliverables is to identify clear gaps and suggest one or more WG charters to fill the gaps, as needed.
- 14:19:43 [francois]
- q?
- 14:19:43 [kaz]
- q?
- 14:20:02 [francois]
- ack me
- 14:20:14 [kaz]
- [ ask who joined from Finland right before this topic? ]
- 14:20:27 [francois]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:20:27 [Zakim]
- francois should now be muted
- 14:20:30 [kaz]
- [ so please go ahead ]
- 14:20:41 [francois]
- jan: question regarding the requirements.
- 14:20:56 [Zakim]
- -kaz
- 14:20:56 [yosuke]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:20:57 [panze]
- kaz: I saw 2 participants from Finland on the Wiki. Of those I am here. Dunno about the other one.
- 14:20:58 [Zakim]
- sorry, yosuke, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
- 14:20:59 [francois]
- ... It's a very broad term. Is it in terms of APIs?
- 14:21:12 [Zakim]
- +??P45
- 14:21:18 [Zakim]
- +??P3
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- - +1.303.503.aabb
- 14:21:23 [kaz]
- zakim, ??P3 is me
- 14:21:23 [Zakim]
- +kaz; got it
- 14:21:31 [francois]
- giuseppe: my opinion is that we don't have to define APIs, but it's fine to use API examples as a way to present possible solutions.
- 14:21:32 [kaz]
- zakim, who is here?
- 14:21:32 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see donghyun, +1.613.479.aacc, Bjorn_Bringert, jcdufourd, francois (muted), Clarke_Stevens, ??P25, David_Corvoysier, +81.90.146.3.aaff, ??P29, Giuseppe,Christian,
- 14:21:35 [Zakim]
- ... +1.503.712.aahh, Nilo_Mitra, [IPcaller], +358.405.74aaii, +358.405.81aajj, ??P45, kaz
- 14:21:36 [JanL]
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- On IRC I see Bob, panze, narm, DCorvoysier, Clarke, aizu, igarashi, [Samsung]rberkoff, Nilo, yosuke, christian_soderst, kaz, Zakim, RRSAgent, donghyun_kang, jcdufourd, giuseppep,
- 14:21:39 [Zakim]
- ... francois, trackbot
- 14:21:48 [francois]
- ... The actual API may look completely different from what we'll propose, but that's ok.
- 14:22:16 [giuseppep]
- q?
- 14:22:22 [kaz]
- q-
- 14:22:26 [giuseppep]
- q?
- 14:22:57 [francois]
- Clarke: we need to have APIs to the extent where they don't interact with architecture.
- 14:23:37 [giuseppep]
- q?
- 14:23:38 [francois]
- giuseppe: we can focus more on the use cases. I don't see a strong disagreement here. Both are valuable inputs for the task force.
- 14:23:52 [panze]
- zakim, +358.405.74aaii is me
- 14:23:52 [Zakim]
- +panze; got it
- 14:23:53 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-webtv-minutes.html kaz
- 14:24:01 [kaz]
- q+ to ask something...
- 14:24:09 [giuseppep]
- q?
- 14:24:10 [kaz]
- q- to remove my question...
- 14:24:19 [Clarke]
- I don't think that captures my remark. I think we need to define APIs to enough detail that we come to some conclusion on the architecture
- 14:24:28 [francois]
- BobLund: the combinaison of use cases plus APIs is very useful, I think.
- 14:25:19 [francois]
- jcd: Putting things in text, whether it's API, XML, or text is useful. It should not restrict what is done later on.
- 14:25:36 [kaz]
- zakim, ??P45 is Jean-Claude
- 14:25:36 [Zakim]
- +Jean-Claude; got it
- 14:26:06 [kaz]
- Present: Giuseppe, Francois, Kaz, Russell, Jon, Narm, Christian, Clarke, Jean-Claude, Tatsuya, David, Panu, Bob_Lund, Hiroyuki
- 14:26:19 [francois]
- giuseppe: In the end, I don't think there's any change we need to bring to the charter here for this.
- 14:27:10 [francois]
- ... The timeline should be short, so that if we identify gaps, we can move ahead quickly with rec-track deliverables following W3C RF policy.
- 14:27:46 [francois]
- ... Once we're done, we'll being the deliverables to the IG, since this needs to be approved by the IG at a whole.
- 14:28:09 [francois]
- ... Consensus in the IG does not mean 100% consensus, we can highlight parts where there is no consensus and move forward.
- 14:28:15 [giuseppep]
- q?
- 14:28:15 [[Samsung]rberkoff]
- +rberkoff
- 14:28:16 [francois]
- ... Are there questions or comments?
- 14:28:28 [giuseppep]
- ack
- 14:28:48 [francois]
- Russell: I noticed the charter statement has a link to the requirements document. Are we approving the requirements in this discussion also?
- 14:29:08 [francois]
- giuseppe: no. That's just a link to present where the doc that we'll work upon will be.
- 14:29:30 [francois]
- ... Once we finish our work, the goal is to have this document be the final one.
- 14:29:40 [francois]
- Russell: thank you. No objection for the charter.
- 14:29:51 [giuseppep]
- q?
- 14:29:52 [francois]
- giuseppe: about the deadline. Does end of July seem reasonable?
- 14:29:53 [Clarke]
- Deadline seems reasonable
- 14:30:28 [francois]
- giuseppe: ok, we can move and consider this draft closed then.
- 14:30:29 [francois]
- q+
- 14:30:36 [kaz]
- q?
- 14:30:46 [giuseppep]
- http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF#Proposal_submission_process_.5BDRAFT.5D
- 14:30:49 [francois]
- Topic: Proposal submission process and tools
- 14:31:13 [francois]
- giuseppe: I started to draft a proposal for submission process to organize the life of the task force
- 14:31:33 [francois]
- [giuseppe going through proposed process]
- 14:32:24 [kaz]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/ Issue Tracker page
- 14:33:05 [francois]
- giuseppe: depending on the discussions, the proposal may be merged with the main document by the editor, or not.
- 14:33:08 [giuseppep]
- q?
- 14:33:12 [francois]
- ack me
- 14:33:20 [kaz]
- q?
- 14:34:09 [francois]
- PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Home Network TF charter is approved as is
- 14:34:30 [francois]
- RESOLUTION: Home Network TF charter is approved as is
- 14:34:32 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-webtv-minutes.html kaz
- 14:34:42 [francois]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:34:42 [Zakim]
- francois should now be muted
- 14:34:55 [kaz]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Home_Network_TF_Charter approved charter of HNTF
- 14:35:11 [francois]
- q+
- 14:35:14 [kaz]
- q?
- 14:35:15 [francois]
- ack me
- 14:35:28 [kaz]
- q+
- 14:35:52 [kaz]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/ Tracker page
- 14:36:01 [giuseppep]
- q?
- 14:36:03 [francois]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:36:03 [Zakim]
- francois should now be muted
- 14:36:36 [francois]
- francois: tracker is good! It tracks emails provided ISSUE-xxx appears in the subject or in the body of the email sent to the public mailing-list.
- 14:36:38 [kaz]
- kaz: do we need tutorial for tools?
- 14:36:42 [kaz]
- ... e.g. tracker?
- 14:37:27 [francois]
- giuseppe: I don't think we need tutorials. There's some documentation already. Feel free to send questions to fd, kaz, or myself.
- 14:37:38 [giuseppep]
- http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Use_Cases_Template
- 14:37:40 [francois]
- ... If there's no comment on the process, I'd like to touch on the use case template
- 14:38:03 [francois]
- Topic: Use case submission template
- 14:38:08 [Zakim]
- -kaz
- 14:38:19 [kaz]
- zakim, call kazuyuki-skype
- 14:38:19 [Zakim]
- ok, kaz; the call is being made
- 14:38:21 [Zakim]
- +Kazuyuki
- 14:38:26 [francois]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Use_Cases_Template Use cases template
- 14:38:45 [francois]
- giuseppe: I took the initial suggestion and adapted slightly.
- 14:39:03 [[Samsung]rberkoff]
- +rberkoff
- 14:39:12 [francois]
- ... It's good practice to send the submission in text form to the mailing-list for indexing purpose.
- 14:39:20 [francois]
- ... Is it good for the purpose we'd like to achieve?
- 14:39:24 [kaz]
- q?
- 14:39:26 [kaz]
- q-
- 14:39:30 [[Samsung]rberkoff]
- +rberkoff
- 14:39:31 [giuseppep]
- q?
- 14:39:38 [kaz]
- q+ rberkoff
- 14:39:39 [[Samsung]rberkoff]
- rberkoff+
- 14:39:48 [kaz]
- ack r
- 14:40:32 [francois]
- russell: don't think things will work well without more diagrams.
- 14:40:37 [kaz]
- [ IRC_TIPS: please use "q+" to add you to the speaker queue ]
- 14:41:11 [kaz]
- q?
- 14:41:14 [giuseppep]
- q?
- 14:41:17 [kaz]
- q+
- 14:41:19 [francois]
- giuseppe: it's not forbidden. If it can be avoided, it's better, but feel free to submit diagrames in binary form if that captures your use case more precisely.
- 14:41:20 [francois]
- ack me
- 14:41:51 [Clarke]
- So the use case submissions will be formatted and placed in the wiki document? Will this be done by the moderator or the submitter?
- 14:41:54 [francois]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:41:54 [Zakim]
- francois should now be muted
- 14:42:09 [[Samsung]rberkoff]
- q+ russell
- 14:42:27 [giuseppep]
- q?
- 14:42:41 [francois]
- francois: all for diagrams which usually help understand ideas, tremendously. We're usually more text-based because it's easier to share, but that's not a requirement.
- 14:43:42 [francois]
- kaz: several possible options from attaching the diagram to the mailing-list, a CVS repository on W3C servers, or attachement in a wiki page. All of these options can be used.
- 14:44:11 [francois]
- giuseppe: to reply to Clarke's comment, the idea is that everybody should be responsible for his own submission.
- 14:44:33 [francois]
- ... The editor would take care of merging the submission with the main document once submission has been discussed and agreed.
- 14:44:45 [francois]
- q+ to note attachement size limit on mailing-list.
- 14:44:46 [kaz]
- q+
- 14:44:49 [[Samsung]rberkoff]
- q+ russell
- 14:44:51 [Clarke]
- q+
- 14:45:29 [giuseppep]
- http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF#Proposal_submission_process_.5BDRAFT.5D
- 14:45:32 [francois]
- kaz: So everybody is expected to send their idea through email and moderator puts it on wiki and so on, right?
- 14:46:01 [francois]
- giuseppe: no, submitter is to create the wiki page and the issue.
- 14:46:08 [kaz]
- [ 4. An Editor takes editing responsibilities for the issue. In general the Submitter will also be the Editor but there could be exceptions. ]
- 14:46:40 [giuseppep]
- q?
- 14:46:42 [francois]
- ... In general, we'll prefer the submitter to serve as Editor for his own proposal, but there may be exceptions, of course.
- 14:46:49 [francois]
- ack kaz
- 14:46:59 [kaz]
- q?
- 14:47:05 [francois]
- kaz: got it, kind of Wikipedia approach, good.
- 14:47:23 [kaz]
- ack r
- 14:47:26 [francois]
- giuseppe: yes, we don't have a spec, so can't really integrate it directly.
- 14:47:47 [francois]
- russell: I would encourage CVS access so that we can submit use case packages.
- 14:48:07 [francois]
- ... I'd be more comfortable with a CVS repository.
- 14:48:44 [francois]
- ... and being able to track differences.
- 14:48:54 [kaz]
- q+ to note we can use w3c-archive@w3.org for a package attachment
- 14:48:57 [francois]
- giuseppe: The wiki provides the history
- 14:49:10 [giuseppep]
- http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Home_Network_TF_Discussions
- 14:49:53 [francois]
- giuseppe: Open discussions would be linked from the page I just pasted. And then in the wiki, we can go back in history if we need to rollback some of the changes.
- 14:50:04 [giuseppep]
- q?
- 14:50:11 [francois]
- ack me
- 14:50:12 [Zakim]
- francois, you wanted to note attachement size limit on mailing-list.
- 14:51:36 [kaz]
- ack k
- 14:51:36 [Zakim]
- kaz, you wanted to note we can use w3c-archive@w3.org for a package attachment
- 14:51:52 [Zakim]
- -Giuseppe,Christian
- 14:51:52 [giuseppep]
- q?
- 14:51:57 [francois]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:51:57 [Zakim]
- francois should now be muted
- 14:52:07 [kaz]
- fd: you can use CVS if you need, also you can use w3c-archive to send big attachments
- 14:52:37 [Zakim]
- +Giuseppe,Christian
- 14:52:52 [kaz]
- zakim, who is speaking?
- 14:53:03 [Zakim]
- kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P25 (8%)
- 14:53:03 [francois]
- francois: we may setup a CVS repository, or a Mercurial repository. It's more for code, usually. Ref. attachement, please note size limit on public mailing-list (probably 512KB). Send bigger packages to w3c-archive@w3.org and then link to them from email to public-web-and-tv@w3.org mailing-list
- 14:53:15 [Clarke]
- Clarke was just talking
- 14:53:40 [kaz]
- zakim, ??P25 is Clarke
- 14:53:40 [Zakim]
- +Clarke; got it
- 14:53:48 [francois]
- clarke: agree that we need to organize things. CVS repository is probably an overkill. We need some kind of repository for test cases, though, a listing.
- 14:54:14 [[Samsung]rberkoff]
- q+ russell
- 14:54:19 [kaz]
- q?
- 14:54:29 [francois]
- ack me
- 14:54:31 [kaz]
- ack c
- 14:54:55 [francois]
- giuseppe: If we have a page that lists use cases on the Wiki, would that be enough?
- 14:55:07 [francois]
- clarke: yes, if we create a subdirectory on the wiki, that should be good.
- 14:55:15 [francois]
- giuseppe: feel free to do it yourself.
- 14:55:26 [kaz]
- s/probably 512KB/5MB/
- 14:55:45 [Clarke]
- Wiki is sufficient. Create separate directory for use cases. Can we have a convention to indicate status (e.g. in discussion, resolved, accepted, etc.)
- 14:56:07 [francois]
- russell: would like to see more formal acknowledgement of test case.
- 14:56:19 [francois]
- giuseppe: that's the idea behind the submission process, actually.
- 14:56:23 [donghyun_kang]
- Pressent+ Donghyun
- 14:56:44 [kaz]
- q+ to propose we let advanced participants to use CVS as well though we mainly use wiki
- 14:57:03 [francois]
- ... In the bi-weekly, we'll probably go over the open discussions and close items based on discussions that would occur in the meantime. The tracking will be done through Tracker.
- 14:57:19 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-webtv-minutes.html kaz
- 14:57:23 [francois]
- russell: it's ok if chairs are going to do the tracking.
- 14:57:53 [francois]
- giuseppe: I'm not going to track everything. People should track their submissions themselves.
- 14:58:03 [francois]
- russell: what about decision tracking?
- 14:59:01 [kaz]
- s/bi-weekly/bi-weekly calls/
- 14:59:09 [yosuke]
- q+
- 14:59:22 [francois]
- giuseppe: depending on the use case, we'll need to assess level of consensus. If there's no consensus, we can record contentious, discard use case or note it's contentious. If there are minor disagreements, we should agree on things and move on, noting caveats if needed.
- 15:00:06 [francois]
- russell: I just want to confirm that issues will be tracked appropriately.
- 15:00:15 [Clarke]
- Can we agree on status terms to avoid confusion? (open, closed?)
- 15:00:28 [Zakim]
- -Jean-Claude
- 15:00:32 [francois]
- giuseppe: yes, we'll close the issue once we agree on the use case, based on consensus.
- 15:00:33 [kaz]
- ack k
- 15:00:33 [Zakim]
- kaz, you wanted to propose we let advanced participants to use CVS as well though we mainly use wiki
- 15:01:26 [francois]
- kaz: I wanted to mention that advanced participants could use CVS if they want to, that's possible. Ref. decision tracking, we can track open issues and decisions during conferences.
- 15:02:17 [kaz]
- q?
- 15:02:22 [kaz]
- ack r
- 15:02:22 [Juhani]
- Juhani has joined #webtv
- 15:02:23 [kaz]
- ack y
- 15:02:26 [[Samsung]rberkoff]
- q+ russel
- 15:02:27 [francois]
- giuseppe: we can adapt the process as needed if it turns out not to be strict enough.
- 15:02:44 [francois]
- zakim, who makes noise?
- 15:02:44 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, francois.
- 15:02:48 [francois]
- zakim, who is making noise?
- 15:03:00 [Zakim]
- francois, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.613.479.aacc (100%), Clarke_Stevens (13%), yosuke (92%)
- 15:04:00 [francois]
- giuseppe: only participants of the IG can submit use cases. You need to be a W3C member to have access to the tools.
- 15:04:34 [kaz]
- [ everybody can read, but only member participants can write ]
- 15:04:39 [francois]
- ... Being a member gives you more weight. We're open to get comments from anyonre, but contributions is reserved to W3C members.
- 15:04:47 [francois]
- ... Other questions apart from that?
- 15:04:51 [giuseppep]
- q?
- 15:04:58 [kaz]
- s/... Being/giuseppep: Being/
- 15:05:19 [francois]
- russell: any possibility to hold F2F meetings?
- 15:05:25 [francois]
- giuseppe: it is possible, yes.
- 15:05:48 [francois]
- ... It's important to have discussions on the mailing-list, but that doesn't exclude F2F meetings, yes.
- 15:05:54 [francois]
- ... If people are willing to meet, we can meet.
- 15:05:57 [francois]
- ack me
- 15:06:13 [kaz]
- q+
- 15:06:52 [francois]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:06:52 [Zakim]
- francois should now be muted
- 15:07:22 [francois]
- francois: different groups have different views on the topic. F2F is certainly a great way to move forward.
- 15:07:24 [kaz]
- ack k
- 15:07:24 [francois]
- ack me
- 15:07:53 [francois]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:07:53 [Zakim]
- francois should now be muted
- 15:08:04 [kaz]
- q+
- 15:08:20 [kaz]
- ack r
- 15:08:24 [giuseppep]
- ack
- 15:08:28 [giuseppep]
- q?
- 15:08:58 [francois]
- ... Happy to setup a questionnaire if someone volunteers to host F2F and a rough idea of when.
- 15:09:56 [francois]
- ack me
- 15:10:20 [yosuke]
- yosuke: I think we should deal with public participation a bit carefully. Because this is the first time we define what the public participation should be in detail. What we've discussed was just 1) using tools and 2) joining meetings are member-participants only.
- 15:11:23 [francois]
- francois: before creating the questionnaire, we'd need someone to host and a rough estimate on when the TF would meet.
- 15:11:28 [francois]
- giuseppe: right.
- 15:11:32 [francois]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:11:32 [Zakim]
- francois should now be muted
- 15:11:39 [kaz]
- q+ to ask if anybody here is by chance interested to be a host :)
- 15:12:17 [kaz]
- q?
- 15:12:23 [francois]
- giuseppe: if noone volunteers, we can discuss through email
- 15:12:49 [francois]
- kaz: Just wondering whether somebody on the call would be happy to host such a meeting?
- 15:13:17 [francois]
- russell: it's a possibility to host such a meeting in the US. It would be on the West Coast.
- 15:13:39 [jcdufourd]
- q+
- 15:13:39 [francois]
- giuseppe: let's discuss offline
- 15:13:47 [francois]
- ack kaz
- 15:13:47 [Zakim]
- kaz, you wanted to ask if anybody here is by chance interested to be a host :)
- 15:13:50 [francois]
- ack jcdufourd
- 15:14:03 [francois]
- jcd: how long would this F2F be?
- 15:14:15 [francois]
- giuseppe: up for us to decide. 2 or 3 days.
- 15:14:38 [francois]
- jcd: I could be a host, depending on the date and duration. 2 days in May might be possible for instance.
- 15:14:58 [francois]
- giuseppe: for the length, 2 days is a minimum.
- 15:15:12 [francois]
- ... not before end of May.
- 15:16:01 [francois]
- [ I suggests to discuss that offline, there is a minimum number of weeks we need to respect to announce a meeting to IG participants from W3C process point of view. 5 weeks on top of my head ]
- 15:16:03 [giuseppep]
- q?
- 15:16:11 [francois]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:16:11 [Zakim]
- francois was already muted, francois
- 15:16:28 [kaz]
- [ Samsung US and Telecom ParisTech are candidates ]
- 15:16:33 [francois]
- Topic: Open discussions
- 15:17:05 [francois]
- giuseppe: As I said, the idea is to go through open discussions, and see the gist of the discussions, if there's agreement or disagreement.
- 15:17:48 [Clarke]
- I agree with different pages for each use case at least during development. It would help keep things organized and easier to track.
- 15:17:49 [francois]
- ... might make sense to have one use case per page so we don't need to approve all of them at once.
- 15:18:11 [Clarke]
- 1 1/2 hrs is good
- 15:18:13 [francois]
- ... About duration of this call. 1h30, is that ok? Should it be 1h or 2h?
- 15:18:19 [[Samsung]rberkoff]
- q+ rberkoff
- 15:18:28 [kaz]
- ack r
- 15:18:38 [francois]
- echo-says: 1.5 hours is very good
- 15:18:56 [francois]
- russell: I can only do 1 hour at this time slot.
- 15:19:02 [jcdufourd]
- s/echo-says/jcd/
- 15:19:18 [francois]
- giuseppe: understood.
- 15:19:48 [francois]
- russell: I'd need to request a different date if we go for more than 1 hour.
- 15:20:03 [francois]
- giuseppe: right. It will be hard to suit everyone.
- 15:20:12 [Clarke]
- We can make sure we discuss Russel's issues during the 1st hour
- 15:20:26 [francois]
- q+
- 15:20:35 [JanL]
- +q
- 15:20:41 [francois]
- ack me
- 15:20:52 [panze]
- +1 for Clarke. This is a good time slot.
- 15:20:53 [kaz]
- q?
- 15:20:59 [kaz]
- q+ JanL
- 15:21:47 [francois]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:21:47 [Zakim]
- francois should now be muted
- 15:22:16 [kaz]
- q+ to mention the possibility we split the TF into sub TFs
- 15:22:24 [kaz]
- q?
- 15:22:40 [francois]
- francois: +1 to Clarke's suggestion. Redoing the questionnaire over and over won't necessarily bring a better slot. Decisions taken during the call can be revisited if you cannot attend the call.
- 15:22:59 [francois]
- ack kaz
- 15:22:59 [Zakim]
- kaz, you wanted to mention the possibility we split the TF into sub TFs
- 15:23:35 [francois]
- kaz: We could hold multiple calls for the task force
- 15:24:20 [francois]
- giuseppe: I don't think it would solve the problem.
- 15:24:25 [francois]
- ... Other comments on this?
- 15:24:36 [giuseppep]
- q?
- 15:24:58 [kaz]
- s/task force/task force, e.g., one slot for a specific use case and another for another use case/
- 15:25:03 [francois]
- ... I would suggest to keep this timeslot right now. We'll rearrange topics in the agenda for participants who need to drop after an hour.
- 15:25:09 [francois]
- ... Let's give it a try.
- 15:25:16 [francois]
- russell: ok, we'll see if it's workable.
- 15:25:25 [francois]
- JanL: question about the requirements document.
- 15:25:39 [francois]
- ... There was a question on the mailing-list and I didn't have a clear conclusion.
- 15:26:04 [francois]
- ... Separate list of services we're considering, for instance "remote control".
- 15:27:37 [francois]
- giuseppe: since we're not writing specifications, we should be able to capture concepts without being too precise.
- 15:27:51 [francois]
- JanL: having a list of services we want to address would be useful
- 15:28:37 [giuseppep]
- q?
- 15:28:40 [giuseppep]
- ack
- 15:28:45 [kaz]
- q?
- 15:28:48 [francois]
- giuseppe: happy to see what this would look like
- 15:28:50 [francois]
- ack JanL
- 15:29:10 [francois]
- giuseppe: If you can put in writing your proposal, we can discuss that.
- 15:29:22 [francois]
- JanL: OK, I'll propose that to the mailing-list.
- 15:30:28 [francois]
- giuseppe: I'd like to ask people to follow the submission template I proposed, answering questions that are there, so that we can take them during next call. Are there urgent things we need to discuss now or can we continue offline?
- 15:30:31 [giuseppep]
- q?
- 15:31:03 [Bob]
- Bob has left #webtv
- 15:31:15 [Zakim]
- -Clarke
- 15:31:16 [francois]
- ... None heard. Next call will be: 3 May 2011 1400Z. Talk to you on the mailing-list. Bye!
- 15:31:17 [Zakim]
- -jcdufourd
- 15:31:17 [Zakim]
- -Clarke_Stevens
- 15:31:18 [Zakim]
- - +1.613.479.aacc
- 15:31:18 [Zakim]
- -David_Corvoysier
- 15:31:18 [francois]
- [call adjourned]
- 15:31:20 [Zakim]
- -Bjorn_Bringert
- 15:31:20 [Zakim]
- -Giuseppe,Christian
- 15:31:23 [Zakim]
- -panze
- 15:31:28 [Zakim]
- -Nilo_Mitra
- 15:31:29 [Zakim]
- -Kazuyuki
- 15:31:31 [Zakim]
- -??P29
- 15:31:34 [Zakim]
- -yosuke
- 15:31:44 [Juhani]
- Juhani has left #webtv
- 15:31:44 [Zakim]
- -francois
- 15:32:06 [Zakim]
- - +1.503.712.aahh
- 15:32:36 [Zakim]
- -donghyun
- 15:32:41 [Zakim]
- - +358.405.81aajj
- 15:33:17 [panze]
- panze has left #webtv
- 15:37:10 [francois]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 15:37:10 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-webtv-minutes.html francois
- 15:37:16 [giuseppep]
- francois, will you send the minutes on the IG list?
- 15:37:41 [Zakim]
- disconnecting the lone participant, +81.90.146.3.aaff, in Team_(webtv)14:00Z
- 15:37:44 [Zakim]
- Team_(webtv)14:00Z has ended
- 15:37:47 [Zakim]
- Attendees were kaz, +82.26.91.2.aaaa, donghyun, +1.303.503.aabb, +1.613.479.aacc, Bjorn_Bringert, +1.317.721.aadd, francois, +1.613.479.aaee, jcdufourd, Clarke_Stevens,
- 15:37:50 [Zakim]
- ... +81.90.146.3.aaff, +46.1.07.19.aagg, +1.503.712.aahh, Nilo_Mitra, Giuseppe,Christian, David_Corvoysier, +358.405.81aajj, panze, Jean-Claude, yosuke, Kazuyuki, Clarke
- 16:08:00 [aizu]
- aizu has left #webtv
- 16:23:28 [yosuke]
- yosuke has left #webtv
- 16:24:16 [kaz]
- issue-2?
- 16:24:16 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-2 -- Document-level Use Cases -- raised
- 16:24:16 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/issues/2
- 16:24:27 [kaz]
- oh, it works :)
- 16:26:44 [giuseppep]
- ehe yep let's hope people get used to it quickly
- 16:26:53 [giuseppep]
- after you get used to it is really handy actually
- 16:27:24 [giuseppep]
- kaz, everything ok there (you wrote earthquake...)
- 17:07:39 [francois]
- RRSAgent, make logs public
- 17:08:35 [francois]
- i/Topic: Quick round of introductions/giuseppe: Hi everyone
- 17:08:51 [francois]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 17:08:51 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-webtv-minutes.html francois
- 17:27:58 [francois]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 17:27:58 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items