13:52:17 RRSAgent has joined #webtv 13:52:17 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-webtv-irc 13:52:19 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:52:19 Zakim has joined #webtv 13:52:21 Zakim, this will be 13:52:21 I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot 13:52:22 Meeting: Web and TV Interest Group Teleconference 13:52:22 Date: 19 April 2011 13:52:52 Meeting: Home Network Task Force (Web and TV IG) Call 13:52:55 zakim, what conferences? 13:52:55 I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)9:00AM active 13:52:57 also scheduled at this time are T&S_XMLSEC()10:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM, IA_Team()10:00AM, XML_(TAG TF)10:00AM, INC_SSN()9:00AM, Team_(MEET)10:00AM, MWI_BPWG()9:30AM, 13:53:00 ... Team_(business)14:00Z, TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM, SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM, Team_(webtv)14:00Z 13:53:18 zakim, this will be webtv 13:53:18 ok, francois; I see Team_(webtv)14:00Z scheduled to start in 7 minutes 13:53:34 Chair: Giuseppe 13:54:12 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2011Apr/0102.html 13:55:06 kaz has joined #webtv 13:55:44 Team_(webtv)14:00Z has now started 13:55:51 +??P3 13:55:56 zakim, ??P3 is me 13:55:56 +kaz; got it 13:57:01 + +82.26.91.2.aaaa 13:57:30 zakim, where is +82? 13:57:30 country code 82 is South Korea 13:57:57 zakim, aaaa is donhyun 13:57:57 +donhyun; got it 13:58:13 zakim, donhyun is donghyun 13:58:14 +donghyun; got it 13:58:44 + +1.303.503.aabb 13:59:03 + +1.613.479.aacc 13:59:23 christian_soderst has joined #webtv 13:59:33 +Bjorn_Bringert 13:59:48 +??P14 14:00:07 + +1.317.721.aadd 14:00:11 zakim, aadd is me 14:00:11 +francois; got it 14:00:12 zakim, who is here? 14:00:13 On the phone I see kaz, donghyun, +1.303.503.aabb, +1.613.479.aacc, Bjorn_Bringert, ??P14, francois 14:00:21 On IRC I see christian_soderst, kaz, Zakim, RRSAgent, donghyun_kang, jcdufourd, giuseppep, francois, trackbot 14:00:23 zakim, mute me 14:00:25 francois should now be muted 14:00:41 yosuke has joined #webtv 14:00:45 + +1.613.479.aaee 14:00:47 ack me 14:00:50 zakim, ??P14 is me 14:01:01 +jcdufourd; got it 14:01:03 +??P25 14:01:12 Nilo has joined #webtv 14:01:20 +Paul_Bagshaw 14:01:28 zakim, aaee is Clarke_Stevens 14:01:28 +Clarke_Stevens; got it 14:01:42 + +81.90.146.3.aaff 14:02:00 +??P29 14:02:02 zakim, where is +81? 14:02:03 country code 81 is Japan 14:02:39 zakim, who is here? 14:02:39 On the phone I see kaz, donghyun, +1.303.503.aabb, +1.613.479.aacc, Bjorn_Bringert, jcdufourd, francois, Clarke_Stevens, ??P25, Paul_Bagshaw, +81.90.146.3.aaff, ??P29 14:02:42 On IRC I see Nilo, yosuke, christian_soderst, kaz, Zakim, RRSAgent, donghyun_kang, jcdufourd, giuseppep, francois, trackbot 14:02:50 <[Samsung]rberkoff> [Samsung]rberkoff has joined #webtv 14:03:04 igarashi has joined #webtv 14:03:38 zakim, who is speaking? 14:03:48 aizu has joined #webtv 14:03:50 kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: francois (45%), +1.613.479.aacc (58%), Clarke_Stevens (78%) 14:04:18 + +46.1.07.19.aagg 14:04:18 + +1.503.712.aahh 14:04:18 zakim, who is speaking? 14:04:21 +Nilo_Mitra 14:04:29 kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.303.503.aabb (5%), francois (11%), +1.613.479.aacc (72%), Bjorn_Bringert (5%), Clarke_Stevens (63%), 14:04:32 ... +1.503.712.aahh (4%) 14:04:33 +[IPcaller] 14:04:43 zakim, where is +46? 14:04:43 country code 46 is Sweden 14:04:43 Clarke has joined #webtv 14:05:01 christian 14:05:09 :) 14:05:10 zakim, aagg is Giuseppe,Christina 14:05:10 +Giuseppe,Christina; got it 14:05:29 zakim, Giuseppe,Christina is Giuseppe,Christian 14:05:29 +Giuseppe,Christian; got it 14:05:45 zakim, who is here? 14:05:45 On the phone I see kaz, donghyun, +1.303.503.aabb, +1.613.479.aacc, Bjorn_Bringert, jcdufourd, francois, Clarke_Stevens, ??P25, Paul_Bagshaw, +81.90.146.3.aaff, ??P29, 14:05:49 ... Giuseppe,Christian, +1.503.712.aahh, Nilo_Mitra, [IPcaller] 14:05:49 +igarashi, sony 14:05:51 On IRC I see Clarke, aizu, igarashi, [Samsung]rberkoff, Nilo, yosuke, christian_soderst, kaz, Zakim, RRSAgent, donghyun_kang, jcdufourd, giuseppep, francois, trackbot 14:05:52 Clarke is Clarke Stevens from CableLabs 14:05:55 zakim, who is here? 14:05:58 scribe: francois 14:06:02 On the phone I see kaz, donghyun, +1.303.503.aabb, +1.613.479.aacc, Bjorn_Bringert, jcdufourd, francois, Clarke_Stevens, ??P25, Paul_Bagshaw, +81.90.146.3.aaff, ??P29, 14:06:08 +aizu, TOSHIBA 14:06:08 ... Giuseppe,Christian, +1.503.712.aahh, Nilo_Mitra, [IPcaller] 14:06:12 On IRC I see Clarke, aizu, igarashi, [Samsung]rberkoff, Nilo, yosuke, christian_soderst, kaz, Zakim, RRSAgent, donghyun_kang, jcdufourd, giuseppep, francois, trackbot 14:06:15 + +358.405.74aaii 14:06:18 zakim, mute me 14:06:26 zakim, who is making noise? 14:06:27 francois should now be muted 14:06:29 [ please mute yourself when you are not talking ] 14:06:36 francois, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Clarke_Stevens (81%) 14:06:40 giuseppe 14:06:44 giuseppe: Hi everyone, let's start with a quick round of presentation. 14:06:48 ack me 14:06:49 DCorvoysier has joined #webtv 14:06:53 francois from w3c 14:07:39 zakim, mute me 14:07:39 francois should now be muted 14:08:28 narm has joined #webtv 14:08:32 kaz: another staff contact. tx for participating in this group! 14:08:42 -kaz 14:09:08 +??P3 14:09:14 russell: Russell Berkoff from Samsung 14:09:31 Present: Giuseppe, Francois, Kaz, Russel 14:09:35 Present: Giuseppe, Francois, Kaz, Russell 14:10:18 JanLindquist: from Ericsson, interested to contribute use cases and requirements. 14:10:30 Pressent+ Jon 14:10:38 Pressent+ Narm 14:10:40 Narm: from Intel, interested in discussing technologies 14:10:50 Pressent+ Christian 14:10:53 panze has joined #webtv 14:10:56 Christian: from Opera software 14:11:04 Clarke: from CableLabs 14:11:14 Pressent+ Clarke 14:11:30 Pressent+ Jean-Claude 14:11:34 jcd: Jean-Claude Dufourd from ParisTech, SVG and other groups in W3C 14:11:34 Pressent+ Tatsuya 14:12:00 Pressent+ David 14:12:12 zakim, Paul_Bagshaw is David_Corvoysier 14:12:12 +David_Corvoysier; got it 14:12:19 Panu Markkanen from Nokia 14:12:22 DavidCorvoysier: from France Telecom, attending the IPTV Forum 14:12:25 Hi Panu! 14:12:28 Pressent+ Panu 14:12:41 Panu: attending UPnP/DLNA 14:12:53 rrsagent, make log member 14:13:05 Topic: TF Charter 14:13:12 http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Home_Network_TF_Charter 14:13:21 giuseppe: goal is to agree on scope and deliverables for this task force 14:13:36 ... I'd like to know whether it's ok as it is or if you have change suggestions. 14:13:46 + +358.405.81aajj 14:13:56 zakim, where is +358? 14:13:56 country code 358 is Finland 14:14:20 ... starting from end date: end of July. I'd be the initial moderator. 14:14:27 ... Comments are welcome 14:14:41 ack me 14:15:15 zakim, mute me 14:15:15 francois should now be muted 14:15:16 [ zakim, mute me ] 14:15:24 :) 14:15:44 Narm: Clarification on meeting slot. Is it fixed? 14:16:22 giuseppe: we can revisit if we have feedback. Based on questionnaire, it seems like the best option we have. Unless people object to it, I'd keep it. 14:16:59 kaz: giuseppe, are you planning to hold this call weekly/biweekly? 14:17:30 giuseppe: bi-weekly 14:17:57 Present: Giuseppe, Francois, Kaz, Russell, Jon, Narm, Christian, Clarke, Jean-Claude, Tatsuya, David, Panu 14:18:15 giuseppe: ref. the scope. The IG is not to write standards, but to work on roadmap, priorities, inputs for working groups. 14:18:18 Bob has joined #webtv 14:18:19 q+ to ask who joined from Finland right before this topic? 14:18:25 Bob Lund from Cablelabs is also on the phone 14:18:37 Present+ Bob_Lund 14:18:53 ... On top of use cases, we need to discuss where we'd like this work to be taken forward. 14:19:28 Present+igarashi 14:19:30 ... Deliverables is to identify clear gaps and suggest one or more WG charters to fill the gaps, as needed. 14:19:43 q? 14:19:43 q? 14:20:02 ack me 14:20:14 [ ask who joined from Finland right before this topic? ] 14:20:27 zakim, mute me 14:20:27 francois should now be muted 14:20:30 [ so please go ahead ] 14:20:41 jan: question regarding the requirements. 14:20:56 -kaz 14:20:56 zakim, mute me 14:20:57 kaz: I saw 2 participants from Finland on the Wiki. Of those I am here. Dunno about the other one. 14:20:58 sorry, yosuke, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 14:20:59 ... It's a very broad term. Is it in terms of APIs? 14:21:12 +??P45 14:21:18 +??P3 14:21:20 - +1.303.503.aabb 14:21:23 zakim, ??P3 is me 14:21:23 +kaz; got it 14:21:31 giuseppe: my opinion is that we don't have to define APIs, but it's fine to use API examples as a way to present possible solutions. 14:21:32 zakim, who is here? 14:21:32 On the phone I see donghyun, +1.613.479.aacc, Bjorn_Bringert, jcdufourd, francois (muted), Clarke_Stevens, ??P25, David_Corvoysier, +81.90.146.3.aaff, ??P29, Giuseppe,Christian, 14:21:35 ... +1.503.712.aahh, Nilo_Mitra, [IPcaller], +358.405.74aaii, +358.405.81aajj, ??P45, kaz 14:21:36 JanL has joined #webtv 14:21:36 On IRC I see Bob, panze, narm, DCorvoysier, Clarke, aizu, igarashi, [Samsung]rberkoff, Nilo, yosuke, christian_soderst, kaz, Zakim, RRSAgent, donghyun_kang, jcdufourd, giuseppep, 14:21:39 ... francois, trackbot 14:21:48 ... The actual API may look completely different from what we'll propose, but that's ok. 14:22:16 q? 14:22:22 q- 14:22:26 q? 14:22:57 Clarke: we need to have APIs to the extent where they don't interact with architecture. 14:23:37 q? 14:23:38 giuseppe: we can focus more on the use cases. I don't see a strong disagreement here. Both are valuable inputs for the task force. 14:23:52 zakim, +358.405.74aaii is me 14:23:52 +panze; got it 14:23:53 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-webtv-minutes.html kaz 14:24:01 q+ to ask something... 14:24:09 q? 14:24:10 q- to remove my question... 14:24:19 I don't think that captures my remark. I think we need to define APIs to enough detail that we come to some conclusion on the architecture 14:24:28 BobLund: the combinaison of use cases plus APIs is very useful, I think. 14:25:19 jcd: Putting things in text, whether it's API, XML, or text is useful. It should not restrict what is done later on. 14:25:36 zakim, ??P45 is Jean-Claude 14:25:36 +Jean-Claude; got it 14:26:06 Present: Giuseppe, Francois, Kaz, Russell, Jon, Narm, Christian, Clarke, Jean-Claude, Tatsuya, David, Panu, Bob_Lund, Hiroyuki 14:26:19 giuseppe: In the end, I don't think there's any change we need to bring to the charter here for this. 14:27:10 ... The timeline should be short, so that if we identify gaps, we can move ahead quickly with rec-track deliverables following W3C RF policy. 14:27:46 ... Once we're done, we'll being the deliverables to the IG, since this needs to be approved by the IG at a whole. 14:28:09 ... Consensus in the IG does not mean 100% consensus, we can highlight parts where there is no consensus and move forward. 14:28:15 q? 14:28:15 <[Samsung]rberkoff> +rberkoff 14:28:16 ... Are there questions or comments? 14:28:28 ack 14:28:48 Russell: I noticed the charter statement has a link to the requirements document. Are we approving the requirements in this discussion also? 14:29:08 giuseppe: no. That's just a link to present where the doc that we'll work upon will be. 14:29:30 ... Once we finish our work, the goal is to have this document be the final one. 14:29:40 Russell: thank you. No objection for the charter. 14:29:51 q? 14:29:52 giuseppe: about the deadline. Does end of July seem reasonable? 14:29:53 Deadline seems reasonable 14:30:28 giuseppe: ok, we can move and consider this draft closed then. 14:30:29 q+ 14:30:36 q? 14:30:46 http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF#Proposal_submission_process_.5BDRAFT.5D 14:30:49 Topic: Proposal submission process and tools 14:31:13 giuseppe: I started to draft a proposal for submission process to organize the life of the task force 14:31:33 [giuseppe going through proposed process] 14:32:24 -> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/ Issue Tracker page 14:33:05 giuseppe: depending on the discussions, the proposal may be merged with the main document by the editor, or not. 14:33:08 q? 14:33:12 ack me 14:33:20 q? 14:34:09 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Home Network TF charter is approved as is 14:34:30 RESOLUTION: Home Network TF charter is approved as is 14:34:32 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-webtv-minutes.html kaz 14:34:42 zakim, mute me 14:34:42 francois should now be muted 14:34:55 -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Home_Network_TF_Charter approved charter of HNTF 14:35:11 q+ 14:35:14 q? 14:35:15 ack me 14:35:28 q+ 14:35:52 -> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/ Tracker page 14:36:01 q? 14:36:03 zakim, mute me 14:36:03 francois should now be muted 14:36:36 francois: tracker is good! It tracks emails provided ISSUE-xxx appears in the subject or in the body of the email sent to the public mailing-list. 14:36:38 kaz: do we need tutorial for tools? 14:36:42 ... e.g. tracker? 14:37:27 giuseppe: I don't think we need tutorials. There's some documentation already. Feel free to send questions to fd, kaz, or myself. 14:37:38 http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Use_Cases_Template 14:37:40 ... If there's no comment on the process, I'd like to touch on the use case template 14:38:03 Topic: Use case submission template 14:38:08 -kaz 14:38:19 zakim, call kazuyuki-skype 14:38:19 ok, kaz; the call is being made 14:38:21 +Kazuyuki 14:38:26 -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Use_Cases_Template Use cases template 14:38:45 giuseppe: I took the initial suggestion and adapted slightly. 14:39:03 <[Samsung]rberkoff> +rberkoff 14:39:12 ... It's good practice to send the submission in text form to the mailing-list for indexing purpose. 14:39:20 ... Is it good for the purpose we'd like to achieve? 14:39:24 q? 14:39:26 q- 14:39:30 <[Samsung]rberkoff> +rberkoff 14:39:31 q? 14:39:38 q+ rberkoff 14:39:39 <[Samsung]rberkoff> rberkoff+ 14:39:48 ack r 14:40:32 russell: don't think things will work well without more diagrams. 14:40:37 [ IRC_TIPS: please use "q+" to add you to the speaker queue ] 14:41:11 q? 14:41:14 q? 14:41:17 q+ 14:41:19 giuseppe: it's not forbidden. If it can be avoided, it's better, but feel free to submit diagrames in binary form if that captures your use case more precisely. 14:41:20 ack me 14:41:51 So the use case submissions will be formatted and placed in the wiki document? Will this be done by the moderator or the submitter? 14:41:54 zakim, mute me 14:41:54 francois should now be muted 14:42:09 <[Samsung]rberkoff> q+ russell 14:42:27 q? 14:42:41 francois: all for diagrams which usually help understand ideas, tremendously. We're usually more text-based because it's easier to share, but that's not a requirement. 14:43:42 kaz: several possible options from attaching the diagram to the mailing-list, a CVS repository on W3C servers, or attachement in a wiki page. All of these options can be used. 14:44:11 giuseppe: to reply to Clarke's comment, the idea is that everybody should be responsible for his own submission. 14:44:33 ... The editor would take care of merging the submission with the main document once submission has been discussed and agreed. 14:44:45 q+ to note attachement size limit on mailing-list. 14:44:46 q+ 14:44:49 <[Samsung]rberkoff> q+ russell 14:44:51 q+ 14:45:29 http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF#Proposal_submission_process_.5BDRAFT.5D 14:45:32 kaz: So everybody is expected to send their idea through email and moderator puts it on wiki and so on, right? 14:46:01 giuseppe: no, submitter is to create the wiki page and the issue. 14:46:08 [ 4. An Editor takes editing responsibilities for the issue. In general the Submitter will also be the Editor but there could be exceptions. ] 14:46:40 q? 14:46:42 ... In general, we'll prefer the submitter to serve as Editor for his own proposal, but there may be exceptions, of course. 14:46:49 ack kaz 14:46:59 q? 14:47:05 kaz: got it, kind of Wikipedia approach, good. 14:47:23 ack r 14:47:26 giuseppe: yes, we don't have a spec, so can't really integrate it directly. 14:47:47 russell: I would encourage CVS access so that we can submit use case packages. 14:48:07 ... I'd be more comfortable with a CVS repository. 14:48:44 ... and being able to track differences. 14:48:54 q+ to note we can use w3c-archive@w3.org for a package attachment 14:48:57 giuseppe: The wiki provides the history 14:49:10 http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/HNTF/Home_Network_TF_Discussions 14:49:53 giuseppe: Open discussions would be linked from the page I just pasted. And then in the wiki, we can go back in history if we need to rollback some of the changes. 14:50:04 q? 14:50:11 ack me 14:50:12 francois, you wanted to note attachement size limit on mailing-list. 14:51:36 ack k 14:51:36 kaz, you wanted to note we can use w3c-archive@w3.org for a package attachment 14:51:52 -Giuseppe,Christian 14:51:52 q? 14:51:57 zakim, mute me 14:51:57 francois should now be muted 14:52:07 fd: you can use CVS if you need, also you can use w3c-archive to send big attachments 14:52:37 +Giuseppe,Christian 14:52:52 zakim, who is speaking? 14:53:03 kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P25 (8%) 14:53:03 francois: we may setup a CVS repository, or a Mercurial repository. It's more for code, usually. Ref. attachement, please note size limit on public mailing-list (probably 512KB). Send bigger packages to w3c-archive@w3.org and then link to them from email to public-web-and-tv@w3.org mailing-list 14:53:15 Clarke was just talking 14:53:40 zakim, ??P25 is Clarke 14:53:40 +Clarke; got it 14:53:48 clarke: agree that we need to organize things. CVS repository is probably an overkill. We need some kind of repository for test cases, though, a listing. 14:54:14 <[Samsung]rberkoff> q+ russell 14:54:19 q? 14:54:29 ack me 14:54:31 ack c 14:54:55 giuseppe: If we have a page that lists use cases on the Wiki, would that be enough? 14:55:07 clarke: yes, if we create a subdirectory on the wiki, that should be good. 14:55:15 giuseppe: feel free to do it yourself. 14:55:26 s/probably 512KB/5MB/ 14:55:45 Wiki is sufficient. Create separate directory for use cases. Can we have a convention to indicate status (e.g. in discussion, resolved, accepted, etc.) 14:56:07 russell: would like to see more formal acknowledgement of test case. 14:56:19 giuseppe: that's the idea behind the submission process, actually. 14:56:23 Pressent+ Donghyun 14:56:44 q+ to propose we let advanced participants to use CVS as well though we mainly use wiki 14:57:03 ... In the bi-weekly, we'll probably go over the open discussions and close items based on discussions that would occur in the meantime. The tracking will be done through Tracker. 14:57:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/19-webtv-minutes.html kaz 14:57:23 russell: it's ok if chairs are going to do the tracking. 14:57:53 giuseppe: I'm not going to track everything. People should track their submissions themselves. 14:58:03 russell: what about decision tracking? 14:59:01 s/bi-weekly/bi-weekly calls/ 14:59:09 q+ 14:59:22 giuseppe: depending on the use case, we'll need to assess level of consensus. If there's no consensus, we can record contentious, discard use case or note it's contentious. If there are minor disagreements, we should agree on things and move on, noting caveats if needed. 15:00:06 russell: I just want to confirm that issues will be tracked appropriately. 15:00:15 Can we agree on status terms to avoid confusion? (open, closed?) 15:00:28 -Jean-Claude 15:00:32 giuseppe: yes, we'll close the issue once we agree on the use case, based on consensus. 15:00:33 ack k 15:00:33 kaz, you wanted to propose we let advanced participants to use CVS as well though we mainly use wiki 15:01:26 kaz: I wanted to mention that advanced participants could use CVS if they want to, that's possible. Ref. decision tracking, we can track open issues and decisions during conferences. 15:02:17 q? 15:02:22 ack r 15:02:22 Juhani has joined #webtv 15:02:23 ack y 15:02:26 <[Samsung]rberkoff> q+ russel 15:02:27 giuseppe: we can adapt the process as needed if it turns out not to be strict enough. 15:02:44 zakim, who makes noise? 15:02:44 I don't understand your question, francois. 15:02:48 zakim, who is making noise? 15:03:00 francois, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.613.479.aacc (100%), Clarke_Stevens (13%), yosuke (92%) 15:04:00 giuseppe: only participants of the IG can submit use cases. You need to be a W3C member to have access to the tools. 15:04:34 [ everybody can read, but only member participants can write ] 15:04:39 ... Being a member gives you more weight. We're open to get comments from anyonre, but contributions is reserved to W3C members. 15:04:47 ... Other questions apart from that? 15:04:51 q? 15:04:58 s/... Being/giuseppep: Being/ 15:05:19 russell: any possibility to hold F2F meetings? 15:05:25 giuseppe: it is possible, yes. 15:05:48 ... It's important to have discussions on the mailing-list, but that doesn't exclude F2F meetings, yes. 15:05:54 ... If people are willing to meet, we can meet. 15:05:57 ack me 15:06:13 q+ 15:06:52 zakim, mute me 15:06:52 francois should now be muted 15:07:22 francois: different groups have different views on the topic. F2F is certainly a great way to move forward. 15:07:24 ack k 15:07:24 ack me 15:07:53 zakim, mute me 15:07:53 francois should now be muted 15:08:04 q+ 15:08:20 ack r 15:08:24 ack 15:08:28 q? 15:08:58 ... Happy to setup a questionnaire if someone volunteers to host F2F and a rough idea of when. 15:09:56 ack me 15:10:20 yosuke: I think we should deal with public participation a bit carefully. Because this is the first time we define what the public participation should be in detail. What we've discussed was just 1) using tools and 2) joining meetings are member-participants only. 15:11:23 francois: before creating the questionnaire, we'd need someone to host and a rough estimate on when the TF would meet. 15:11:28 giuseppe: right. 15:11:32 zakim, mute me 15:11:32 francois should now be muted 15:11:39 q+ to ask if anybody here is by chance interested to be a host :) 15:12:17 q? 15:12:23 giuseppe: if noone volunteers, we can discuss through email 15:12:49 kaz: Just wondering whether somebody on the call would be happy to host such a meeting? 15:13:17 russell: it's a possibility to host such a meeting in the US. It would be on the West Coast. 15:13:39 q+ 15:13:39 giuseppe: let's discuss offline 15:13:47 ack kaz 15:13:47 kaz, you wanted to ask if anybody here is by chance interested to be a host :) 15:13:50 ack jcdufourd 15:14:03 jcd: how long would this F2F be? 15:14:15 giuseppe: up for us to decide. 2 or 3 days. 15:14:38 jcd: I could be a host, depending on the date and duration. 2 days in May might be possible for instance. 15:14:58 giuseppe: for the length, 2 days is a minimum. 15:15:12 ... not before end of May. 15:16:01 [ I suggests to discuss that offline, there is a minimum number of weeks we need to respect to announce a meeting to IG participants from W3C process point of view. 5 weeks on top of my head ] 15:16:03 q? 15:16:11