<trackbot> Date: 13 April 2011

<John> zakim aaaa is John

<John> Sylvain, are you joining the call?

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<trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference

<trackbot> Date: 13 April 2011

<scribe> scribenick: sylvaing

UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: discussing MIME type for web fonts

vlad: once it was realized that woff already used a MIME type, it wasn't clear what the application was for
... for a container format, one also needs to know what is inside the container
... hence the question as to whether a parameter to define the contained type would be necessary

john: how critical is this for CSS ?

<John> CFF

sylvaing: not critical for browsers which care about where the request comes from e.g. src descriptor in @font-face
... so which apps need a MIME type ?

vlad: without explicit knowledge of what applications will use this, we wanted to be explicit

sergeym: one can be explicit about this in CSS using the format hint
... scribe is catching up. We are discussing use-cases where WOFF is not loaded through CSS
... do we have any applications in mind where fonts will be downloaded that won't involve CSS ?

vlad: yes, Java/J2ME apps on a mobile phone

sylvaing: who's asking for a MIME type ?

vlad: some font developers
... they want a set of MIME types that covers not just WOFF but other formats

sylvaing: so this is outside WOFF's scope and our WG's ?

vlad: yes, but we should at least offer our opinion
... and, for WOFF, should we allow for parameters to describe what is inside the WOFF container

john: but where do you draw the line ? some people will want to know what kind of layout tables and other features are available

vlad: in this case there are well-defined limits as to what can be a MIME type

sylvaing: but if it's ok for CSS format hints to just say woff, why do mime types need extra parameters

vlad: it's up to the implementation. since we're outside CSS, we don't really know what's needed

sylvaing: I'm ok with it in principle but it's hard to argue without use-cases

vlad: right. the discussion at ISO started as 'other types have this therefore fonts should have it' and this started the whole discussion

john: I was wondering if this could be of use for a mobile phone e.g. windows phone to get a content-type header vs. waiting for the resource to sniff it ?

sylvaing: nice in principle but experience shows that in practice this header can't be trusted by browsers whether mobile or desktop

john: for WOFF, we've effectively presumed the use of CSS

sylvaing: yes, and thus for use-cases that involve WOFF and other formats outside CSS, use-cases would be very helpful

john: we acknowledge there are use-cases but they are outside web standards and thus beyond WOFF's scope. E.g. use in Blu-ray players does not involve web documents and is not addressed by WOFF or the WebFonts WG.

<scribe> ACTION: Vlad to email the WebFonts WG with the proposed response to ISO [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/04/13-webfonts-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-86 - Email the WebFonts WG with the proposed response to ISO [on Vladimir Levantovsky - due 2011-04-20].

<John> Looks good

<Vlad> trackbot, make minutes

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