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<trackbot> Date: 17 March 2011
<pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-03-17: Issues, surveys, decisions and task force reports from Paul Cotton on 2011-03-15 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from January to March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
<paulc> Thank you, dsinger
<MarkF> mark foladare at att is 732420
<MarkF> or possible 732368
<scribe> ScribeNick: adrianba
<scribe> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
<scribe> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011JanMar/0023.html
<pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-03-17: Issues, surveys, decisions and task force reports from Paul Cotton on 2011-03-15 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from January to March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
paulc: There are none.
paulc: Even better news, there are no new issues.
ISSUE-125?
<trackbot> ISSUE-125 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/125
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-125: Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: survey closed mar 10 - some discussion on the list
ISSUE-126?
<trackbot> ISSUE-126 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to backslashes not needed for legacy content -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/126
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-126: Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to backslashes not needed for legacy content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: another survey also closed mar 10
ISSUE-135?
<trackbot> ISSUE-135 -- put back direct link to the W3C version of the canvas 2d context spec -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/135
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-135: put back direct link to the W3C version of the canvas 2d context spec - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: call for alternate or counter proposals
ISSUE-146?
<trackbot> ISSUE-146 -- <video> should allow muted as a content attribute -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/146
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-146: should allow muted as a content attribute - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<dsinger_> Issue-135?
<trackbot> ISSUE-135 -- put back direct link to the W3C version of the canvas 2d context spec -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/135
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-135: put back direct link to the W3C version of the canvas 2d context spec - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: another call for counter proposals
ISSUE-147?
<trackbot> ISSUE-147 -- playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent can't play back at the requested rate -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/147
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-147: playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent cant play back at the requested rate - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: there's been a fair amount of discussion about this on the list - since there is no counter proposal there is discussion about whether there is consensus on the proposal
ISSUE-148?
<trackbot> ISSUE-148 -- Algorithm for detecting the charset="" parameter -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/148
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-148: Algorithm for detecting the charset="" parameter - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-56?
<trackbot> ISSUE-56 -- Bring "URLs" section/definition and IRI specification in alignment. -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/56
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-56: Bring "URLs" section/definition and IRI specification in alignment. - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-127?
<trackbot> ISSUE-127 -- Simplify characterization of link types -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/127
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-127: Simplify characterization of link types - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: some of these items that closed last week show up later on the agenda for their next steps
<rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0329.html
<pimpbot> Title: Re: CfC: Close ISSUE-148 charset-detect by Amicable Resolution from Julian Reschke on 2011-03-16 (public-html@w3.org from March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
rubys: question for julian - which proposal did he intend to withdraw?
julian: change proposal for 148
paulc: do we have a link to the proposal that is being withdrawn?
<rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jan/0431.html
<pimpbot> Title: Change Proposal for ISSUE-148, was: ISSUE-148 (charset-detect): Chairs Solicit Proposals from Julian Reschke on 2011-01-29 (public-html@w3.org from January 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
julian: yes, that's the one
rubys: next step would be a call
for consensus
... on the remaining single proposal on 148
ISSUE-120?
<trackbot> ISSUE-120 -- Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/120
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-120: Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: straw poll for objections
closes today (midnight boston time)
... julian, did you have something to ask about this now?
julian: i didn't mean 120, i meant the US-ASCII one: issue 101
paulc: that's agenda 8a
ISSUE-139?
<trackbot> ISSUE-139 -- HTML5 spec mentions Microdata in Acknowledgements -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/139
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-139: HTML5 spec mentions Microdata in Acknowledgements - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: we have a straw poll that
also closes tonight
... mar 17
ISSUE-140?
<trackbot> ISSUE-140 -- clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/140
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-140: clarify the applicability of the term "conforming document" in cases where "applicable specifications" had been used to augment or change the base HTML5 specification - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: another poll that closes
today
... i brought this to noah's attention - he passed that on to
the TAG
ISSUE-142?
<trackbot> ISSUE-142 -- No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/142
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-142: No alternative text description for video key frame (poster) - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: also a poll closing today
ISSUE-146?
<trackbot> ISSUE-146 -- <video> should allow muted as a content attribute -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/146
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-146: should allow muted as a content attribute - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-147?
<trackbot> ISSUE-147 -- playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent can't play back at the requested rate -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/147
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-147: playbackrate: undefined behavior when the user agent cant play back at the requested rate - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 12324] HTML example is improperly formatted <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Mar/0570.html>
ISSUE-135?
<trackbot> ISSUE-135 -- put back direct link to the W3C version of the canvas 2d context spec -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/135
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-135: put back direct link to the W3C version of the canvas 2d context spec - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: these are all calls for
amicable resolution
... some discussion on 147 - waiting on a reply from frank who
is travelling
paulc: these are important - i know the a11y tf is meeting this weekend and some of these are things they are interested in
ISSUE-131?
<trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-131: Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-145?
<trackbot> ISSUE-145 -- use of "codecs" parameter -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/145
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-145: use of "codecs" parameter - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-152?
<trackbot> ISSUE-152 -- Handling of additional tracks of a multitrack audio/video resource -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/152
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-152: Handling of additional tracks of a multitrack audio/video resource - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-155?
<trackbot> ISSUE-155 -- make <table border="1" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0"> conforming -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/155
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-155: make conforming - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: all these close on mar 22
ISSUE-161?
<trackbot> ISSUE-161 -- Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/161
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-161: Create document defining mappings from html elements to platform accessibility apis - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: looking for alternate or counter proposals by mar 24
ISSUE-144?
<trackbot> ISSUE-144 -- <u> should be conforming -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/144
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-144: should be conforming - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: looking for alternate or
counter proposals by mar 25
... once we get to the mar 25 date we will have all the
proposals and counter proposals for all the issues we need to
do for our may LC target
paulc: as i noted, there are no new calls because we have all the calls for LC out there
paulc: these surveys will run for 1 week
ISSUE-27?
<trackbot> ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-27: @rel value ownership, registry consideration - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-122?
<trackbot> ISSUE-122 -- alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/122
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-122: alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: next item is ISSUE-31 and ISSUE-80
ISSUE-31?
<trackbot> ISSUE-31 -- Author conformance requirements for the alt attribute on images -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/31
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-31: Author conformance requirements for the alt attribute on images - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-80?
<trackbot> ISSUE-80 -- document conformance and device dependent display of title attribute content -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-80: document conformance and device dependent display of title attribute content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<paulc> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ImgElementSurveyConformaceChoices
<pimpbot> Title: ChangeProposals/ImgElementSurveyConformaceChoices - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
paulc: chairs are planning a
multi-pronged approach here
... first part of the survey will focus on the question linked
here
... asking the WG members which of the requirements are desired
for the conformance checker question
... i don't have this one built yet - the other two are
built
... the first two will be out today - continuing to work on the
last one
... any questions or comments?
... you can expect us to be doing 4 or 5 surveys a week going
forward and that pace might pick up once we complete the calls
for counter proposals before us
... our self-imposed deadline is 39 days away when we'll be
able to close all the pre-LC issues so that there is time to
have a call for consensus on LC
<rubys> deadline can be found here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0074.html
<pimpbot> Title: Timeline to Last Call from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-09-08 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
ISSUE-101?
<trackbot> ISSUE-101 -- Spec reference for US-ASCII -- closed
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/101
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-101: Spec reference for US-ASCII - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0302.html
<pimpbot> Title: Working Group Decision on ISSUE-101 us-ascii-ref from Sam Ruby on 2011-03-15 (public-html@w3.org from March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
paulc: julian, did you want to speak to this?
julian: yes, i just wanted to
state that one thing was me being confused by a statement in
the decision about whether more discussion was being asked
for
... sam explained off list that this was a misunderstanding on
my part
<rubys> julian is referring to "strong objection that merits"; I agree that "strong objection that merited" would have been clearer
julian: i don't agree with the
decision
... there's another question about what happens if someone
replies to a survey comment/objection on the mailing list then
those don't appear to be considered
paulc: first of all, people only
seem to comment once the survey is called
... one suggestion is for people to record their objections
before that on the mailing list
... i saw your comment - i suppose the chairs should make the
answer clear in the decision policy
... i suggest you open a bug on the decision policy so that we
can make it clearer
... it's really important that we are clear about how to bring
logic flaws to the chair's attention related to survey
comments
<rubys> +1
paulc: i'll make this a priority given the number of surveys we have to do
ISSUE-125?
<trackbot> ISSUE-125 -- Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/125
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-125: Requirement to break RFC 2616 compliance with respect to single quotes not needed for legacy content - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0304.html
<pimpbot> Title: Working Group Decision on ISSUE-125 charset-vs-quotes from Sam Ruby on 2011-03-15 (public-html@w3.org from March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
ISSUE-128?
<trackbot> ISSUE-128 -- Authors should be able to use <figure> where <img> can be used -- closed
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/128
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-128: Authors should be able to use where can be used - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0303.html
<pimpbot> Title: Working Group Decision on ISSUE-128 figure-in-p from Sam Ruby on 2011-03-15 (public-html@w3.org from March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
paulc: you should see at least 3 or 4 decisions per week moving forward
<Julian> related to ISSUE-125: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10805#c6
<pimpbot> 1110805: julian.reschke, P2, REOPENED, 13treating single quotes as double quotes not needed for compatibility with existing content
julian: i just wanted to mention that i had a comment on -125 where i asked for the text we were discussing to made separate from the preceding text - i hope this is uncontroversial but wanted it recorded in the minutes
paulc: the bug has been reopened for the editor to resolve - you're obviously tracking that bug so you should check to make sure that this happens - you might have to open a LC bug to cascade the change
rubys: kris sent his regrets just before the meeting
paulc: perhaps we can carry this forward to next week
janina: we are meeting this
weekend - we're leveraging a major accessibility conference and
taking advantage of the opportunity to get together
... i will be surprised if we don't put some things in to last
call - we have the right people present to make progress
... so we should be able to make some proposals
... i'm pleased on issue-152 that silvia's efforts has got us
the conversation we were looking for - it's not just an a11y
requirement but also an i18n requirement
... we might not have all these people at the f2f but will have
phone access
... we'll have two parallel meetings and there will be telcon
access to both meetings
paulc: do you have a meeting page?
janina: yes, let me find it
<paulc> Testing TF report:
<paulc> * We met last week as planned and meet again on March 22nd
<paulc> * Meeting notes are at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2011Mar/0010.html
<pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 3/8/2011 from Kris Krueger on 2011-03-08 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from March 2011) (at lists.w3.org)
<paulc> * James Graham from Opera has asked and gotten an 'OK' from the W3C legal team to move the html5lib parser tests into the w3c.
<paulc> * Consensus on approving Google A/V tests on March 22nd
paulc: i'm transcribing kris's testing TF report notes to get that into the record
<paulc> * Participation is still up, with a recent discussion about the approval process
<janina> HTML-A11Y TF Face to Face:
<janina> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ImgElementSurveyConformaceChoices
<pimpbot> Title: ChangeProposals/ImgElementSurveyConformaceChoices - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
<Laura> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/ftf_2011-03
<pimpbot> Title: 19 - 20 March 2011 Face to Face Meeting of the HTML Accessibility Task Force (at www.w3.org)
paulc: think we dealt with the request from julian
paulc: expecting maciej to chair
next week
... any volunteers to scribe?
<paulc> paulc will volunteer
paulc: okay, i'll volunteer
paulc: we're adjourned - thanks everyone, work on your change proposals
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