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19:58:02 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_Fonts()4:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
19:58:03 <trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
19:58:03 <trackbot> Date: 16 March 2011
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20:00:33 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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20:02:25 <tal> zakim, aaaa is tal
20:02:25 <Zakim> +tal; got it
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20:02:48 <Vlad> aacc is Vlad
20:03:11 <Vlad> zakim, aacc is Vlad
20:03:11 <Zakim> +Vlad; got it
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20:04:34 <Vlad> zakim, who is here?
20:04:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see tal, [Microsoft], ChrisL, +1.250.247.aabb, Vlad
20:04:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see John, Vlad, sergeym, tal, erik, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisL, trackbot
20:04:36 <Zakim> + +1.408.536.aadd
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20:05:24 <erik> Neither Paris nor London Zakim numbers accept my code. I'll just read IRC.
20:05:26 <Vlad> zakim, aadd is cslye
20:05:26 <Zakim> +cslye; got it
20:07:27 <cslye> I will attempt to take minutes
20:07:33 <ChrisL> I think a presence at TypeCon would be good.
20:07:43 <ChrisL> scribenick: cslye
20:07:53 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
20:08:14 <cslye> Vlad: Should we have F2F at TypeCon?
20:08:46 <cslye> TypeCon is early July in New Orleans.
20:09:12 <cslye> ChrisL: Lots of things to discuss; seems like a good fit to do it there.
20:09:47 <ChrisL> Could discuss the test results and implementations, we could exit the meeting with an implementation report
20:09:56 <cslye> Vlad: Will two implementations be ready by then?
20:10:21 <ChrisL> Opera11.10 has WOFF now
20:10:44 <cslye> Vlad: If we go to CR, then we'll have two months to collect implementation info, etc.
20:10:56 <cslye> Vlad: Timing-wise it would work.
20:11:27 <ChrisL> http://www.typecon.com/
20:11:31 <cslye> Vlad: If timing and travel is convenient for people... conference space might be smaller, but it should be fine.
20:11:45 <ChrisL> Royal Sonesta Hotel, New Orleans
20:11:49 <Zakim> -cslye
20:11:51 <ChrisL> +1 for a meeting,for me
20:12:10 <cslye> Just lost my phone connection.... back in a minute. (someone cover?)
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20:13:30 <cslye> Vlad: Straw poll says the group is in favor of it.
20:14:11 <ChrisL> Topic: SVG and CSS recap
20:14:50 <cslye> ChrisL: SVG2 will mandate WOFF.
20:15:27 <cslye> ChrisL: My proposal was to mandate WOFF, all else optional.
20:15:55 <cslye> Other proposal was a subset of SVG fonts.
20:16:30 <cslye> ChrisL: Describes lack of enthusiasm for SVG font mandate.
20:19:01 <ChrisL> Oh! I realise I have a conflict for TypeCon. I have a conflicting meeting in Japan ...
20:20:00 <cslye> cslye: Recaps CSS3 Fonts F2F in Mountain View.
20:20:02 <ChrisL> s/Oh! I realise I have a conflict for TypeCon. I have a conflicting meeting in Japan ...//
20:20:28 <cslye> Very minimal discuss of WOFF SOR at the F2F.
20:21:33 <cslye> Vlad: Keep SOR info as-is for now.
20:21:51 <ChrisL> Topic: Last Callcomments
20:22:02 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html
20:22:48 <cslye> Vlad: Lets look at comment with no action assigned.
20:23:20 <cslye> Vlad: Issue #11 - Use of attributes for human readable text
20:23:24 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html#issue-11
20:25:06 <cslye> Vlad: Working group believes we don't need changes.
20:25:51 <ChrisL> action: chris to respond on issue-11
20:25:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-78 - Respond on issue-11 [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-03-23].
20:26:26 <cslye> Vlad: Issue #18
20:26:34 <cslye> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html#issue-18
20:26:43 <cslye> license element text subelements
20:27:24 <cslye> tal: Was Vlad going to contemplate legal implications?
20:29:58 <cslye> tal: Most previous discussion was on a call.
20:31:04 <cslye> Vlad: Would be in Dec 8 minutes.
20:31:53 <cslye> This one needs more discussion, skipping for now.
20:31:57 <ChrisL> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html#issue-19
20:32:17 <cslye> Waiting for more input from Bert.
20:32:28 <ChrisL> I willsend a reminder we are waiting for is input
20:32:33 <cslye> ChrisL: I will check right now.
20:33:02 <cslye> #21 should be marked as closed/accept.
20:33:09 <cslye> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html#issue-24
20:33:24 <ChrisL> s/check/remind him/
20:33:30 <cslye> Awaiting clarification from Bert.
20:33:47 <cslye> Vlad: Same for #25
20:33:48 <cslye> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html#issue-25
20:34:40 <ChrisL> vlad: alignment makes implementation easier and faster
20:35:13 <cslye> action: ChrisL to respond on issue-25
20:35:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-79 - Respond on issue-25 [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-03-23].
20:35:55 <cslye> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html#issue-26
20:36:12 <cslye> ChrisL: Thinks Bert has it the wrong way 'round.
20:36:36 <cslye> ChrisL: Response is: Just use existing DSIG.
20:36:50 <ChrisL> OpenType has a DSIG table already and it round trips just fine
20:37:07 <cslye> action: ChrisL to respond on issue-26
20:37:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-80 - Respond on issue-26 [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-03-23].
20:37:24 <cslye> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html#issue-34
20:37:36 <cslye> Some fields in OT header are not mentioned in WOFF spec
20:37:48 <ChrisL> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2011JanMar/0005.html
20:38:00 <ChrisL> searchRange, entrySelector, and rangeShift
20:38:27 <ChrisL> sergeym: They are calculated from number of tables in the font, so WOFF unpacking code can restore them unambiguously. However, I think WOFF spec should mentioned them in two places. First, it has to reference OpenType spec for calculation algorithm. And second, conformance requirements have to mention that these fields should be correct in original font to ensure complete roundtrip.
20:40:22 <cslye> Vlad: I don't see how this is handled in the WOFF spec.
20:40:29 <cslye> tal: Yes, we just have to mention it.
20:41:13 <cslye> If they are regenerated, WOFF should mention this.
20:41:33 <cslye> Vlad: And provide a reference to the OT spec.
20:43:23 <ChrisL> trackbot, status
20:43:30 <cslye> action: Jonathan to provide link for issue-34
20:43:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-81 - Provide link for issue-34 [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-03-23].
20:45:45 <cslye> cslye will get response on Action-57.
20:46:08 <cslye> Vlad: Keeping Action-62 open.
20:46:29 <cslye> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/open
20:46:51 <cslye> Vlad: Keep 74 open.
20:47:04 <cslye> Vlad: Keep 76 open.
20:47:19 <cslye> Vlad: I will check with Apple on this one.
20:48:01 <cslye> Topic: Promoting to CR
20:48:50 <cslye> ChrisL: As soon as all Last Call comments have been resolved or can be explained.
20:49:04 <cslye> Vlad: Can make decision in April.
20:49:50 <cslye> Topic: Test Suite Tools
20:50:55 <Zakim> -ChrisL
20:53:08 <cslye> tal: We can provide a font AND a script that will ensure everything runs and passes as expected.
20:53:21 <cslye> Vlad: Will the script be generic?
20:53:40 <cslye> tal: No, will be specialized for each test.
20:54:12 <cslye> tal: Will know what to check for and can report pass/fail.
20:54:40 <cslye> Vlad: Would be useful to include a reference decoder.
20:55:00 <cslye> Vlad: Make it easier for encoder developers.
20:55:34 <cslye> Vlad: Put it on a server so the decoder can run there.
20:56:03 <cslye> tal: Decoder lives on a server? Foundries wouldn't like that.
20:56:11 <cslye> Vlad: Not what I'm proposing...
20:56:47 <cslye> Vlad: Decoder doesn't give you the font back, just reports on result.
20:57:17 <cslye> tal: I will think about that.
20:58:10 <cslye> tal: That's it. Will add what Sergey mentioned.
20:58:41 <cslye> Vlad: We are lucky to have Tal!
20:59:06 <cslye> John: The FAQ is almost ready to go. Will check in with Chris.
20:59:36 <cslye> Vlad: I will be traveling in Europe next week. Probably can't be on call.
21:00:03 <cslye> Vlad: I will decide early next week and send an email.
21:00:38 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
21:00:42 <Vlad> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:00:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/16-webfonts-minutes.html Vlad
21:00:47 <Zakim> -tal
21:00:51 <Zakim> -cslye
21:00:56 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
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21:01:18 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
21:01:18 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.443.895.aaaa, [Microsoft], ChrisL, +1.250.247.aabb, tal, +1.781.970.aacc, Vlad, +1.408.536.aadd, cslye
21:01:27 <ChrisL> rrsagent,  make minutes
21:01:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/16-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL
21:02:19 <Vlad> Christopher, http://www.w3.org/2011/03/16-webfonts-minutes.html,text will give you plaoin text version of the minutes for email 
21:05:59 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Vlad, in IA_Fonts()4:00PM
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21:06:05 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.443.895.aaaa, [Microsoft], ChrisL, +1.250.247.aabb, tal, +1.781.970.aacc, Vlad, +1.408.536.aadd, cslye
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