IRC log of lld on 2011-02-03
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-lld-irc
- 14:53:54 [antoine]
- rrsagent, bookmark
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- See http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-lld-irc#T14-53-54
- 14:54:06 [antoine]
- Meeting: LLD XG
- 14:54:13 [antoine]
- Chair: Antoine
- 14:54:27 [antoine]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jan/0169.html
- 14:55:00 [antoine]
- Previous: 2011-01-27 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jan/0160.html
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- Regrets: Lars, Uldis, Mark, Guenther, Michel, Monica, Ed
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- rrsagent, please make record public
- 14:57:26 [antoine]
- zakim, pleas mute me
- 14:57:26 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'pleas mute me', antoine
- 14:57:30 [antoine]
- zakim, please mute me
- 14:57:33 [Zakim]
- sorry, antoine, I don't know what conference this is
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-lld-minutes.html TomB
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- 14:59:26 [antoine]
- zakim, unmute me
- 14:59:26 [Zakim]
- sorry, antoine, I don't know what conference this is
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- zakim, LC is me
- 14:59:31 [Zakim]
- sorry, kefo, I do not recognize a party named 'LC'
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- jodi has joined #LLD
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- marcia has joined #lld
- 14:59:45 [kefo]
- zakim, LC is me
- 14:59:46 [Zakim]
- sorry, kefo, I do not recognize a party named 'LC'
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- 15:00:08 [jodi]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:00:09 [ww]
- strange... calling the boston number forwards me directly to W3C admin assistance...
- 15:00:15 [jodi]
- ww: worked ok for me
- 15:00:17 [Zakim]
- sorry, jodi, I don't know what conference this is
- 15:00:38 [kefo]
- first time I called it forwarded me to admin assistance. second time I got through
- 15:00:50 [fsasaki]
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- 15:01:04 [emma]
- zakim, this is lld
- 15:01:04 [Zakim]
- ok, emma; that matches INC_LLDXG()10:00AM
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- 15:01:16 [emma]
- zakim, who's here ?
- 15:01:18 [ww]
- jodi: worked the second time
- 15:01:19 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P4, Jodi, michaelp, [LC], ??P13, ??P9, ??P10, emma, rsinger, [IPcaller], +1.678.235.aaaa, ??P18, ??P19, +44.131.516.aabb, marcia
- 15:01:25 [kefo]
- zakim, LC is me
- 15:01:26 [digikim]
- hmm...
- 15:01:28 [digikim]
- who am I? :)
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- 15:01:31 [Zakim]
- +kefo; got it
- 15:01:31 [ww]
- Zakim, aabb is me
- 15:01:38 [marcia]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:01:41 [Zakim]
- +ww; got it
- 15:01:42 [TomB]
- zakim, this will be lld
- 15:01:45 [Zakim]
- marcia should now be muted
- 15:01:47 [Zakim]
- ok, TomB, I see INC_LLDXG()10:00AM already started
- 15:01:47 [TomB]
- rrsagent, bookmark
- 15:01:47 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-lld-irc#T15-01-47-1
- 15:01:53 [TomB]
- Meeting: LLD XG
- 15:01:54 [jodi]
- zakim, who's here?
- 15:01:56 [Zakim]
- +??P32
- 15:01:56 [TomB]
- Chair: Antoine
- 15:01:58 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P4, Jodi, michaelp, kefo, ??P13, ??P9, ??P10, emma, rsinger, [IPcaller], +1.678.235.aaaa, ??P18, ??P19, ww, marcia (muted), ??P32
- 15:02:06 [ww]
- Zakim, mute me
- 15:02:06 [Zakim]
- ww should now be muted
- 15:02:07 [pmurray]
- zakim aaaa is me
- 15:02:20 [pmurray]
- zakim, aaaa is me
- 15:02:20 [Zakim]
- +pmurray; got it
- 15:02:27 [digikim]
- I'm either P4, P13, P9, P10, P18 or P19 :)
- 15:02:27 [Zakim]
- + +49.173.609.aacc
- 15:02:36 [jodi]
- hang up and call back?
- 15:02:48 [jneubert]
- zakim, aacc is jneubert
- 15:02:49 [Zakim]
- +jneubert; got it
- 15:03:08 [TomB]
- zakim, ??P4 is TomB
- 15:03:08 [Zakim]
- +TomB; got it
- 15:03:11 [jeff_]
- present+ jeff_
- 15:03:12 [Zakim]
- -??P18
- 15:03:19 [kai]
- zakim, who is online?
- 15:03:19 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, kai.
- 15:03:19 [AlexanderH]
- present+ AlexanderH
- 15:03:19 [kcoyle]
- present+ kcoyle
- 15:03:26 [kai]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 15:03:26 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see TomB, Jodi, michaelp, kefo, ??P13, ??P9, ??P10, emma, rsinger, [IPcaller], pmurray (muted), ??P19 (muted), ww (muted), marcia (muted), felix (muted), jneubert
- 15:03:34 [Zakim]
- -??P9
- 15:03:34 [kai]
- zakim, ??P19 is me.
- 15:03:35 [Zakim]
- +kai; got it
- 15:03:35 [Zakim]
- +??P1
- 15:03:43 [digikim]
- Zakim, P1 is digikim
- 15:03:45 [Zakim]
- sorry, digikim, I do not recognize a party named 'P1'
- 15:03:50 [digikim]
- Zakim, ??P1 is digikim
- 15:03:53 [kai]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 15:03:54 [Zakim]
- I already had ??P1 as ??P1, digikim
- 15:03:59 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see TomB, Jodi, michaelp, kefo, ??P13, ??P10, emma, rsinger, [IPcaller], pmurray (muted), kai, ww (muted), marcia (muted), felix (muted), jneubert (muted), ??P1
- 15:04:03 [digikim]
- argh :)
- 15:04:18 [kcoyle]
- kcoyle present+ kcoyle
- 15:04:19 [digikim]
- Zakim, ??P1 is digikim.
- 15:04:23 [Zakim]
- +??P9
- 15:04:25 [Zakim]
- I already had ??P1 as ??P1, digikim
- 15:04:30 [jeff_]
- zakim, ??P13 is me
- 15:04:34 [TomB]
- zakim, jeff_ is ??P13
- 15:04:35 [Zakim]
- +jeff_; got it
- 15:04:36 [antoine]
- zakim, ??P9 is GordonD
- 15:04:39 [Zakim]
- +??P13; got it
- 15:04:41 [Zakim]
- +GordonD; got it
- 15:05:03 [antoine]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:05:03 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see TomB, Jodi, michaelp, kefo, ??P13, ??P10, emma, rsinger, [IPcaller], pmurray (muted), kai, ww (muted), marcia (muted), felix (muted), jneubert (muted), ??P1,
- 15:05:07 [Zakim]
- ... GordonD
- 15:05:16 [jeff_]
- zakim, ??P13 is me
- 15:05:16 [Zakim]
- +jeff_; got it
- 15:05:38 [emma]
- zakim, ??P10 may be kcoyle
- 15:05:38 [Zakim]
- +kcoyle?; got it
- 15:06:08 [Zakim]
- +[LC]
- 15:06:14 [kefo]
- zakim, LC is rayd
- 15:06:14 [Zakim]
- +rayd; got it
- 15:06:32 [digikim]
- ??P1 is me, but Zakim doesn't accept it...
- 15:06:42 [digikim]
- (can somebody solve it?)
- 15:06:49 [kefo]
- zakim, mute m
- 15:06:49 [Zakim]
- 'm' is ambiguous, kefo
- 15:06:51 [kefo]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:06:51 [Zakim]
- kefo should now be muted
- 15:07:08 [fsasaki]
- scribe: felix
- 15:07:13 [jeff_]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:07:13 [Zakim]
- jeff_ should now be muted
- 15:07:16 [antoine]
- Scribenick: fsasiki
- 15:07:24 [antoine]
- s/sasiki/sasaki
- 15:08:05 [fsasaki]
- topic: admin
- 15:08:07 [emma]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 15:08:07 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-lld-minutes.html emma
- 15:08:12 [antoine]
- PROPOSED: To accept http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/27-lld-minutes.html
- 15:08:35 [fsasaki]
- RESOLUTION: previous minutes accepted
- 15:08:51 [fsasaki]
- topic: final report draft
- 15:09:00 [antoine]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReport
- 15:09:08 [fsasaki]
- see also http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/27-lld-minutes.html
- 15:09:34 [fsasaki]
- action on Antoine to include executive summary placeholder in report - has been done
- 15:09:54 [antoine]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jan/0161.html
- 15:10:23 [TomB]
- ACTION: Antoine to include executive summary placeholder in report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/27-lld-minutes.html#action01]
- 15:10:25 [TomB]
- --done
- 15:11:02 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-lld-minutes.html TomB
- 15:11:37 [TomB]
- rrsagent please make record public
- 15:11:45 [fsasaki]
- ACTION: emma to put the Goals page content at the beginning of the use case section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/27-lld-minutes.html#action02]
- 15:11:57 [fsasaki]
- --done
- 15:12:05 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-lld-minutes.html TomB
- 15:12:19 [fsasaki]
- emma: it is only a draft, would be great if everybody could review that piece of text
- 15:12:22 [emma]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReport#State_of_the_art_use_cases_and_requirements
- 15:12:49 [fsasaki]
- emma: not sure if it captures the essence of the use case
- 15:13:01 [fsasaki]
- antoine: we can check it later, the action is clearly done, thanks a lot
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- 15:13:17 [Zakim]
- +??P48
- 15:13:20 [antoine]
- ACTION: emma to put the Goals page content at the beginning of the use case section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/27-lld-minutes.html#action02]
- 15:13:22 [antoine]
- --DONE
- 15:13:53 [antoine]
- zakim, ??P48 is Asaf
- 15:13:53 [Zakim]
- +Asaf; got it
- 15:14:05 [fsasaki]
- ACTION: emma to add a 1.4 section (before recommendations) on problems and limitations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/27-lld-minutes.html#action05]
- 15:14:15 [fsasaki]
- --done
- 15:14:20 [emma]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReport#Problems_and_limitations
- 15:14:27 [Asaf]
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- 15:14:34 [fsasaki]
- emma: only edited the section with a few links, we have to discuss what we want to put in here
- 15:14:45 [fsasaki]
- antoine: thanks, we will discuss that later
- 15:15:12 [fsasaki]
- antoine: now about "Fate of library standards and issues pages"
- 15:15:50 [fsasaki]
- ACTION: GordonD to split http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_standards_and_linked_data and make recommendations on where to integrate into the final report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/27-lld-minutes.html#action04]
- 15:16:19 [fsasaki]
- --done
- 15:16:57 [kcoyle]
- link to page?
- 15:17:08 [antoine]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_standards_and_linked_data
- 15:17:15 [antoine]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_Data_Resources
- 15:17:24 [antoine]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Granularity_of_library_metadata
- 15:17:57 [TomB]
- Gordon, do you mean http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReport#Datasets ?
- 15:18:04 [kcoyle]
- q+
- 15:18:38 [GordonD]
- Library Data Resources - needs a placeholder in Final report, in Available data section.
- 15:19:09 [jodi]
- q+ Does it need a recommendations section, not just an available data section?
- 15:19:17 [GordonD]
- Library standards and linked data, following discussion at future telecon, probably fits the Problems and limitations section of the Final report.
- 15:19:21 [fsasaki]
- (above and below are gordon's suggestions for reorganising the material)
- 15:19:36 [TomB]
- +1 sounds good Gordon
- 15:19:52 [antoine]
- zakim, ack kcoyle
- 15:19:52 [Zakim]
- I see no one on the speaker queue
- 15:19:59 [jodi]
- +1
- 15:20:03 [TomB]
- ack kcoyle
- 15:20:12 [kcoyle]
- you cna't hear me?
- 15:20:22 [kcoyle]
- i'm not muted
- 15:20:40 [kcoyle]
- ok, i'll type it in
- 15:20:51 [kcoyle]
- yes, i hear you
- 15:21:05 [kcoyle]
- possibly
- 15:21:38 [fsasaki]
- karen: we gathered a lot of data
- 15:21:39 [GordonD]
- Final note for the record: the Granularities page is now incorporated in the Library standards and linked data page.
- 15:21:42 [emma]
- zakim, kcoyle? is probably jeff
- 15:21:42 [Zakim]
- +jeff?; got it
- 15:21:48 [fsasaki]
- .. I would like to see our report to be an analysis of what we gathered
- 15:21:50 [Zakim]
- -Asaf
- 15:21:56 [fsasaki]
- .. we seem to be ending up with a list of information
- 15:22:14 [fsasaki]
- .. we should discuss how we end of with the analysis from that list
- 15:22:29 [fsasaki]
- .. we don't know how all of those standards, librarry data structure
- 15:22:34 [fsasaki]
- .. fits in into linked data
- 15:22:38 [TomB]
- +1 lists will get stale quickly - emphasizing analysis is good
- 15:22:41 [fsasaki]
- .. we have no answer, but a question
- 15:22:53 [fsasaki]
- .. we gathered some data for beginning
- 15:23:06 [fsasaki]
- .. we need to say: here is a beginning of a task that needs to happen
- 15:23:16 [fsasaki]
- .. i.e. how to go from library data to linked data
- 15:23:19 [emma]
- +1, karen !
- 15:23:20 [fsasaki]
- antoine: sounds good
- 15:23:41 [fsasaki]
- karen: somebody has to write that analysis part
- 15:23:54 [fsasaki]
- antoine: couldn't that be for many of these sections?
- 15:24:01 [fsasaki]
- karen: that is true for every section
- 15:24:15 [TomB]
- q+ to suggest that we have writers -- and _reviewers_
- 15:24:17 [fsasaki]
- antoine: agree, people should volunteer for curating these sections
- 15:24:24 [jodi]
- +1 to writers and reviewers
- 15:24:34 [jodi]
- +1 to appendices also
- 15:24:42 [fsasaki]
- karen: some things which are in the report will end up to be appendicies with long lists of things
- 15:24:43 [TomB]
- +1 to pushing things into appendices
- 15:24:54 [GordonD]
- +1 for all these suggestions
- 15:24:55 [fsasaki]
- s/appendicies/appendicies/
- 15:24:58 [antoine]
- zakim, ack TomB
- 15:24:58 [Zakim]
- TomB, you wanted to suggest that we have writers -- and _reviewers_
- 15:24:59 [Zakim]
- I see no one on the speaker queue
- 15:25:03 [fsasaki]
- tom: completely agree with karen
- 15:25:19 [fsasaki]
- .. in addition to writers we need reviewers
- 15:26:15 [jodi]
- also the better (more complete, more readable, ...) each section will get, from review
- 15:26:15 [fsasaki]
- .. the more we read the entire report the more we will understand the coherence of the report
- 15:26:23 [jodi]
- coherence++
- 15:26:43 [fsasaki]
- tom: we are going to need to iterate through all of these sections for a few times
- 15:27:11 [fsasaki]
- .. we need to get the authors themselves involved in thinking about what a section is trying to do, how well it is communicated, what is needed to be done
- 15:27:16 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-lld-minutes.html fsasaki
- 15:27:36 [fsasaki]
- antoine: above comments in the minutes makes a lot of sense for everyone
- 15:27:45 [fsasaki]
- .. should we record an action or resolution?
- 15:27:49 [fsasaki]
- tom: no need for a resolution
- 15:28:12 [fsasaki]
- .. creating the agenda (of calls) we should look for reviewers
- 15:28:23 [fsasaki]
- antoine: ok, let's discuss that in upcoming calls
- 15:29:10 [fsasaki]
- action: gordon to update the draft report structure with suggestions he made concerning the wiki pages
- 15:29:40 [fsasaki]
- antoine: wiki page about granularity of library data is now obsolete
- 15:29:44 [fsasaki]
- gordon: correct
- 15:30:01 [fsasaki]
- .. will delete content to granularity page, you may want to remove that from the archives
- 15:30:13 [fsasaki]
- topic: WIKI PAGE DISCUSSION
- 15:30:44 [antoine]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jan/0148.html
- 15:31:39 [fsasaki]
- antoine: there was a discussion on a storyboard, for the "youtube" page
- 15:31:58 [fsasaki]
- tom: I would lead towards dropping that as an action for the incubator group
- 15:32:10 [fsasaki]
- .. we are getting short on time, doing the report has a higher priority
- 15:32:23 [fsasaki]
- .. I suggest that we continue it, but not as a critical deliverble
- 15:33:00 [fsasaki]
- .. it is fun to think about these ideas, so I would be in favor of continuing it, but not regard it as a deliverable of the group
- 15:33:11 [fsasaki]
- s/deliverble/deliverable/
- 15:33:21 [fsasaki]
- tom: shouldn't be a high priority
- 15:33:25 [GordonD]
- +1 Tom's suggestion
- 15:33:42 [fsasaki]
- antoine: would keep it as trailing part of our agenda
- 15:33:57 [antoine]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/File:LayeredModelV3.pdf
- 15:34:21 [fsasaki]
- emma: was an illustration for library standards resoruce page
- 15:34:40 [fsasaki]
- .. tried to explain how library standards relate to each other, to dublin core, linked data standards
- 15:35:18 [fsasaki]
- .. was an important step to draw it
- 15:35:21 [kcoyle]
- +1
- 15:35:30 [fsasaki]
- antoine: should we start a discussion on the list?
- 15:35:37 [fsasaki]
- emma: yes, but I have to update it first
- 15:35:52 [fsasaki]
- .. some things we defined that should be integrated in the last part of the diagram
- 15:35:54 [GordonD]
- I think it's important to include the broad relationships between components - I'd like to see the diagram in the final report
- 15:36:34 [kcoyle]
- q+
- 15:36:35 [fsasaki]
- action: emma to update "layered model" diagram model and lead a discussion on it in the coming weeks
- 15:36:46 [antoine]
- zakim, ack kcoyle
- 15:36:46 [Zakim]
- I see no one on the speaker queue
- 15:36:57 [fsasaki]
- karen: we have the page with a lot of presentations
- 15:36:59 [jodi]
- that list is VERY messy
- 15:37:13 [fsasaki]
- .. tom's idea was that we would extract some good illustrations that could be re-used
- 15:37:16 [jodi]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Presentations
- 15:37:28 [TomB]
- q+
- 15:37:31 [fsasaki]
- .. diagrams would be an example, to be used to explain ideas
- 15:38:03 [fsasaki]
- .. but we need to discuss this - I would take an action to go through presentations and see what we can use
- 15:38:10 [antoine]
- zakim, ack TomB
- 15:38:10 [Zakim]
- I see no one on the speaker queue
- 15:39:02 [fsasaki]
- tom: an idea was that we have powerpoint presentation as part of our deliverables
- 15:39:17 [jodi]
- it could also help in writing the executive summary
- 15:39:27 [jodi]
- i.e. what to say to "decision makers"
- 15:39:31 [fsasaki]
- .. I think we need to concentrate our discussion on what our main results our
- 15:39:48 [fsasaki]
- .. not sure if we can have a PP presentation as an output of the group
- 15:40:13 [fsasaki]
- .. but having some sort of a presentation format can become a focus for discussing our message in a really condensed way
- 15:40:49 [fsasaki]
- .. a lot of us will have an opportunity to give presentations, would be good to have slides to draw upon
- 15:41:19 [GordonD]
- +1 for a standard presentation
- 15:41:58 [ww]
- +1 for materials and building blocks
- 15:41:59 [kcoyle]
- +1 for good set of graphics
- 15:42:06 [fsasaki]
- antoine: good ideas - if somebody will take an action, I would be fine
- 15:42:07 [jodi]
- +1 for all of the above!
- 15:42:19 [jodi]
- kcoyle++
- 15:42:28 [fsasaki]
- karen: I could look through the presentations and begin to extract some things, to help to start the discussion
- 15:42:35 [TomB]
- kcoyle++
- 15:42:36 [emma]
- q+ to be careful about property rights
- 15:43:18 [fsasaki]
- action: karen to look through the presentations and begin to extract some things, to help to start the discussion
- 15:43:45 [fsasaki]
- ack em
- 15:43:45 [Zakim]
- emma, you wanted to be careful about property rights
- 15:43:46 [antoine]
- zakim, ack emma
- 15:43:47 [Zakim]
- I see no one on the speaker queue
- 15:43:56 [TomB]
- q+ to suggest that we give credit
- 15:44:09 [antoine]
- zakim, please ack TomB
- 15:44:09 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'please ack TomB', antoine
- 15:44:09 [fsasaki]
- emma: make sure that you have the right for the owners and that it does not conflict with W3C rules
- 15:44:12 [fsasaki]
- karen: sure
- 15:44:21 [emma]
- ack tom
- 15:44:21 [Zakim]
- TomB, you wanted to suggest that we give credit
- 15:44:39 [fsasaki]
- tom: we will give people give credit on the bottom of the slides, with regards to the source
- 15:45:01 [jeff_]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:45:01 [Zakim]
- sorry, jeff_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
- 15:45:44 [antoine]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Library_data_in_Semantic_Web_formats
- 15:45:48 [ww]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 15:45:48 [Zakim]
- ww should no longer be muted
- 15:46:04 [fsasaki]
- antoine: wiki page you created "library data and semantic web formats"
- 15:46:16 [fsasaki]
- .. can we declare that page as superseded by the CKAN efforts?
- 15:46:25 [fsasaki]
- ross: yes, I think we agreed on that
- 15:46:54 [fsasaki]
- .. we can deprecate that wikipage in favor of CKAN efforts
- 15:47:21 [fsasaki]
- action: ross to deprecate the "library data and semantic web formats" and create a link to the CKAN efforts
- 15:47:24 [jodi]
- 'deprecate' means that we'll be sure that any info on the wiki will get into CKAN, before deleting the page and redirecting it to CKAN?
- 15:47:31 [TomB]
- +1 happy with CKAN approach
- 15:47:48 [fsasaki]
- ross: there is hardly any information on the page anyway
- 15:47:50 [jodi]
- Thanks, Ross! :)
- 15:48:16 [fsasaki]
- .. the information will go into ckan, and there will be a note that any information you have will go into CKAN, and how to do that
- 15:48:24 [ww]
- Zakim, mute me
- 15:48:24 [Zakim]
- ww should now be muted
- 15:48:25 [fsasaki]
- topic: USE CASE CLUSTERS
- 15:48:43 [AlexanderH]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Authority_data
- 15:48:44 [jeff_]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Authority_data
- 15:48:44 [fsasaki]
- antoine: today talking about authority data cluster
- 15:48:55 [Asaf]
- Asaf has joined #lld
- 15:49:13 [fsasaki]
- jeff: still rough, still with stuff that needs to be sorted out
- 15:50:03 [fsasaki]
- .. in UNIMARC a primary entity was defined, which authority data is about
- 15:50:16 [fsasaki]
- .. it is about persons, organisations etc.
- 15:50:23 [fsasaki]
- .. some things are difficult to model
- 15:50:32 [fsasaki]
- .. if you think about the RDF ontology for example
- 15:50:44 [fsasaki]
- .. XYZ was thinking about a group of mathematicians
- 15:50:51 [fsasaki]
- .. not sure about how to model that in RDA
- 15:51:05 [fsasaki]
- .. the entities are the things which we are famiiar with from FRBR
- 15:51:09 [AlexanderH]
- undifferentiated persons
- 15:51:28 [fsasaki]
- .. in the US we tend to think about personal things etc., modeling different types of heading
- 15:51:52 [fsasaki]
- .. Antoine has modled parts of the METS ontology nicely in SKOS
- 15:51:57 [TomB]
- @emma: suggest continuing with wiki page discussion next week starting with Topics, Semantic_Web_terminology...
- 15:52:03 [antoine]
- s/METS/MADS
- 15:52:18 [fsasaki]
- .. modeling in FBRR and labeling stuff can be done in SKOS, as a basis
- 15:52:49 [fsasaki]
- jeff: Alexander is a little bit uncomfortable with modeling in SKOS
- 15:52:51 [emma]
- s/FBRR/FRBR
- 15:53:05 [fsasaki]
- .. he would like to see some abstractions from SKOS
- 15:53:15 [fsasaki]
- .. not really comfortable with "real world object" term
- 15:53:41 [fsasaki]
- .. the concepts can be included in real world objects, so not comfortable with re-defining real world object
- 15:53:57 [fsasaki]
- .. the metadata is not about the thing, but the properties of it
- 15:54:35 [fsasaki]
- antoine: the cluster is about reflecting what is in the use cases
- 15:55:52 [fsasaki]
- jeff: a lot of use cases don't think about conceptualisation
- 15:55:59 [fsasaki]
- .. very little what they have in common
- 15:56:07 [fsasaki]
- .. what is what makes them "authority"?
- 15:56:08 [marcia]
- maybe list those questions in the 'Limitations and Questions"
- 15:56:23 [fsasaki]
- .. the model, a particiular vocabulary being used, ....
- 15:56:33 [fsasaki]
- .. the kind o entities being there?
- 15:56:53 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-lld-minutes.html fsasaki
- 15:56:54 [AlexanderH]
- q+
- 15:57:07 [fsasaki]
- ack ale
- 15:57:09 [kcoyle]
- +1 what antoine says - reflect differences as well as similarities
- 15:57:12 [antoine]
- zakim, ack AlexanderH
- 15:57:12 [Zakim]
- I see no one on the speaker queue
- 15:57:21 [fsasaki]
- alexander: to answer the question "what is authority data"?
- 15:57:33 [fsasaki]
- .. we try to make sure that we have a kind of indicator of authority
- 15:57:51 [fsasaki]
- .. that is something what we should discuss on the list - what is in, what is out?
- 15:58:08 [fsasaki]
- .. people can add information to linked data, and they can mess it up
- 15:58:17 [GordonD]
- The question is: what "things" are libraries interested in - as authorities?
- 15:58:32 [fsasaki]
- .. so is the organisation publishing something important for judging authority, or what else?
- 15:58:55 [GordonD]
- That is, of all the "things" that are the subjects of non-library triples.
- 15:58:57 [fsasaki]
- antoine: if you feel you need the input from the group on these aspects, please feel free to ask about it
- 15:59:12 [fsasaki]
- .. issues are all important, we have discussed some of them quite a lot
- 15:59:30 [fsasaki]
- .. but we may just want to resolve that there are some open issues that we cann't finish now
- 15:59:41 [fsasaki]
- .. please discuss with the way you think it is useful
- 16:00:01 [fsasaki]
- .. I do feel that it is very important that we base our discussions on observable applications
- 16:00:07 [GordonD]
- We can include the broader authority issues in the forthcoming telecon on the Library standards and linked data page
- 16:01:08 [fsasaki]
- antoine: thanks a lot, Jeff, alexander, joachim
- 16:01:11 [fsasaki]
- topic: AOB
- 16:01:30 [fsasaki]
- antoine: thanks for today, adjourn
- 16:01:32 [kefo]
- bye
- 16:01:32 [jodi]
- bye!
- 16:01:33 [Zakim]
- -rayd
- 16:01:35 [ww]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 16:01:35 [Zakim]
- ww should no longer be muted
- 16:01:36 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-lld-minutes.html fsasaki
- 16:01:36 [rsinger]
- bye!
- 16:01:37 [Zakim]
- -GordonD
- 16:01:37 [AlexanderH]
- bye
- 16:01:38 [Zakim]
- -kefo
- 16:01:39 [Zakim]
- -kcoyle
- 16:01:41 [Zakim]
- -marcia
- 16:01:42 [Zakim]
- -jneubert
- 16:01:44 [antoine]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 16:01:44 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-lld-minutes.html antoine
- 16:01:45 [Zakim]
- -Jodi
- 16:01:49 [Zakim]
- -michaelp
- 16:01:49 [kai]
- bye
- 16:01:51 [Zakim]
- -kai
- 16:01:57 [Zakim]
- -ww
- 16:01:59 [Zakim]
- -pmurray
- 16:02:01 [Zakim]
- -??P1
- 16:02:05 [Zakim]
- -rsinger
- 16:02:06 [Zakim]
- -[IPcaller]
- 16:02:23 [Zakim]
- -felix
- 16:03:34 [antoine]
- zakim, please list attendees
- 16:03:39 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been Jodi, michaelp, emma, rsinger, [IPcaller], +1.678.235.aaaa, +44.131.516.aabb, marcia, kefo, ww, felix, pmurray, +49.173.609.aacc, jneubert,
- 16:03:44 [Zakim]
- ... TomB, kai, GordonD, jeff_, rayd, Asaf, kcoyle, jeff?
- 16:03:48 [Zakim]
- -emma
- 16:04:11 [antoine]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 16:04:11 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-lld-minutes.html antoine
- 16:04:50 [Zakim]
- -jeff?
- 16:05:58 [Zakim]
- -TomB
- 16:05:59 [Zakim]
- INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has ended
- 16:06:01 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Jodi, michaelp, emma, rsinger, [IPcaller], +1.678.235.aaaa, +44.131.516.aabb, marcia, kefo, ww, felix, pmurray, +49.173.609.aacc, jneubert, TomB, kai, GordonD,
- 16:06:04 [Zakim]
- ... jeff_, rayd, Asaf, kcoyle, jeff?
- 16:06:06 [antoine]
- zakim, bye
- 16:06:06 [Zakim]
- Zakim has left #lld
- 16:06:15 [antoine]
- rrsagent, bye
- 16:06:15 [RRSAgent]
- I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-lld-actions.rdf :
- 16:06:15 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Antoine to include executive summary placeholder in report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/27-lld-minutes.html#action01] [1]
- 16:06:15 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-lld-irc#T15-10-23
- 16:06:15 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: emma to put the Goals page content at the beginning of the use case section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/27-lld-minutes.html#action02] [2]
- 16:06:15 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-lld-irc#T15-11-45
- 16:06:15 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: emma to put the Goals page content at the beginning of the use case section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/27-lld-minutes.html#action02] [3]
- 16:06:15 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-lld-irc#T15-13-20
- 16:06:15 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: emma to add a 1.4 section (before recommendations) on problems and limitations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/27-lld-minutes.html#action05] [4]
- 16:06:15 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-lld-irc#T15-14-05
- 16:06:15 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: GordonD to split http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_standards_and_linked_data and make recommendations on where to integrate into the final report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/27-lld-minutes.html#action04] [5]
- 16:06:15 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-lld-irc#T15-15-50
- 16:06:15 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: gordon to update the draft report structure with suggestions he made concerning the wiki pages [6]
- 16:06:15 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-lld-irc#T15-29-10
- 16:06:15 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: emma to update "layered model" diagram model and lead a discussion on it in the coming weeks [7]
- 16:06:15 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-lld-irc#T15-36-35
- 16:06:15 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: karen to look through the presentations and begin to extract some things, to help to start the discussion [8]
- 16:06:15 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-lld-irc#T15-43-18
- 16:06:15 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: ross to deprecate the "library data and semantic web formats" and create a link to the CKAN efforts [9]
- 16:06:15 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/03-lld-irc#T15-47-21