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14:52:00 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3668
14:52:00 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_Fonts()10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
14:52:01 <trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
14:52:01 <trackbot> Date: 26 January 2011
14:52:18 <Vlad> Chair Vlad
14:52:43 <Vlad> Chair: Vlad
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14:58:45 <Vlad> Regrets: Tal, ChrisL, Sylvain
14:58:53 <Vlad> zakim, this is 3668
14:58:53 <Zakim> Vlad, this was already IA_Fonts()10:00AM
14:58:54 <Zakim> ok, Vlad; that matches IA_Fonts()10:00AM
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15:00:14 <Zakim> sorry, jfkthame, I do not recognize a party named '4845397aaaa'
15:00:16 <Vlad> zakim, +??P16 is Vlad
15:00:16 <Zakim> sorry, Vlad, I do not recognize a party named '+??P16'
15:00:39 <Vlad> zakim, ??P16 is Vlad
15:00:39 <Zakim> +Vlad; got it
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15:00:43 <Zakim> +jfkthame; got it
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15:04:37 <jfkthame> vlad, i'm only catching 50% of what you're saying, at best
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15:08:14 <Vlad> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2011Jan/0024.html
15:08:41 <tal> Reviewing open actions.
15:11:03 <Vlad> action 56?
15:11:03 <trackbot> Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
15:12:01 <Vlad> action-56?
15:12:01 <trackbot> ACTION-56 -- Jonathan Kew to tag wrng size compressed meta as a ua assert -- due 2010-12-15 -- OPEN
15:12:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/56
15:12:16 <Vlad> action-56: pending
15:12:16 <trackbot> ACTION-56 Tag wrng size compressed meta as a ua assert notes added
15:14:09 <tal> Changed Action-56 to "pending review."
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15:16:15 <tal> Action-60 can be closed.
15:18:27 <tal> Discussion about Action-62.
15:18:59 <tal> Will pick up later or discuss later.
15:20:57 <tal> Discussion about the meaning Action-66.
15:22:42 <tal> Action-69 can be closed. Vlad completed this one.
15:23:34 <tal> Discussion of comments from Bert Bos.
15:23:47 <tal> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2011JanMar/0009.html
15:24:55 <tal> Point 1: Vlad asked for clarification.
15:25:33 <tal> Håkon: agrees with Bert's comment.
15:26:14 <tal> Thinks that the comment is about SOR and relates to recent discussion on list.
15:26:28 <tal> Vlad: not sure that it is about SOR.
15:27:36 <tal> Håkon: Thinks that there is not yet a consensus on SOR.
15:28:11 <tal> Håkon: WOFF would have a better shot at interoperability if there is consensus on SOR.
15:28:45 <tal> Vlad: We should discuss this but not today as we are discussion Bert's comments.
15:29:32 <tal> Discussion about when to discuss SOR.
15:29:56 <tal> Håkon: We don't have all browser vendors here.
15:31:15 <tal> Tal: They have been invited. It is their responsibility to call in.
15:31:38 <tal> Vald: This is not on the agenda for the day. Let's discuss this later.
15:32:07 <tal> Vlad: THis will be a detailed discussion so let's set up a call specifically for this topic.
15:33:04 <tal> Back to Bert's comments.
15:34:21 <tal> Point 2:
15:34:54 <tal> Vlad: We agree with Bert that we have made the intro as clear as we can. Any other comments for making it even more clear are welcome.
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15:36:40 <tal> Vald: "Despite this name, WOFF should be regarded as a container format or "wrapper" for font data in already-existing formats rather than an actual font format in its own right."
15:37:32 <tal> Vlad: Perhaps add "Despite the name, WOFF is not a new font format and should be regarded as..."
15:37:52 <tal> Christopher: Thinks that the language is clear enough as is.
15:38:31 <tal> Jonathan: No strong view either way. Doesn't mind changing it but isn't sure that any value will be added.
15:40:05 <tal> Vlad: Should we create an action item to review the first paragraph of the introduction?
15:40:30 <tal> Christopher: Bert's comment was "it sounds good" so why are we discussing changing it?
15:40:43 <tal> Vlad: This one particular sentence could be more specific.
15:41:02 <tal> Point 3:
15:42:40 <tal> Jonathan: His original tool, and the spec, did not pad. Not sure when the optional padding made it into the spec.
15:42:54 <tal> Vlad: Any objections to wat Bert proposes?
15:44:07 <tal> Tal: If we make that SHOULD a MUST, would a UA have to test and reject?
15:44:39 <tal> Jonathan: UA could test with the header length of file and length of block.
15:45:37 <tal> Vlad and Tal: Would that contradict the "Private Data should not effect the font data..." section of the spec?
15:46:01 <tal> Jonathan: This would be a problem with the header, not the private data.
15:47:26 <tal> Jonathan: UA could do simple sanity checks on header fields.
15:48:32 <tal> Vlad: Does that need to be mentioned in the header?
15:48:48 <tal> Jonathan: Reads spec. We already call for the UA to check those offsets.
15:50:16 <tal> Vlad: Should we not mention padding the private data?
15:51:19 <tal> Jonathan: We could repeat that the end of the private data block must be the end of the file.
15:51:42 <tal> Vlad: Agrees with Jonathan.
15:52:44 <tal> Tal: Agrees.
15:53:56 <Vlad> Scribe: Tal
15:54:35 <tal> Action Jonathan Replace last sentence of section 7: End of Private Data block must correspond with the end of the last file.
15:54:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-70 - Replace last sentence of section 7: End of Private Data block must correspond with the end of the last file. [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-02-02].
15:55:05 <Vlad> Scribenick: tal
15:56:10 <tal> Discussion on if this should apply to the metadata block as well.
15:56:35 <tal> Vlad: Metadata section is clear.
15:57:35 <tal> Point 4:
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15:57:56 <tal> Vlad: Can anyone clarify what this means?
15:58:30 <tal> Action Chris Clarify Bert Bos' Point 4
15:58:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-71 - Clarify Bert Bos' Point 4 [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-02-02].
15:58:56 <tal> Point 5:
15:59:55 <tal> Vlad: not sure how useful it would be to not store origLength.
16:00:34 <tal> Jonathan: UA needs to know original length to allocate buffer otherwise it is more cumbersome to decode.
16:01:28 <tal> Action Jonathan Respond to Bert Bos' Point 5.
16:01:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-72 - Respond to Bert Bos' Point 5. [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-02-02].
16:01:58 <tal> Sergey: origLength is also useful for recreating table directory.
16:04:04 <tal> Sergey: Mentions email to list that has not been discussed: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2011JanMar/0005.html
16:04:42 <tal> Tal: This can be created dynamically.
16:04:51 <tal> Sergey: Yes. We should mention this in the spec.
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16:06:05 <Vlad> rrsagent, create minutes
16:06:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/26-webfonts-minutes.html Vlad
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16:07:05 <Vlad> Thank you all!
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