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<trackbot> Date: 01 December 2010
I started on a disposition of comments http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html
<tal> I had some phone trouble this morning, maybe zakim got confused by me calling in twice?
<erik> I'm not able to call in today. I'll follow on IRC.
Vlad: having internet issues, will join shortly
<scribe> scribenick: chrisl
Vlad: strong interest in woff
support from many participants, but Adobe representative is
against WOFF for epub
... if publishers want it, they will add it
... waiting for response from internal Adobe discussions. May
be opposition was based on resource issues
<tal> http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html
ChrisL: extensibility via namespaces is good for totally open extensibility
tal: we dont want it totally open ended
Vlad: want to not deviate too
much from the original, and widely deployed, submission. This
would be a breaking change
... and we do have an extensibility element
tal: fontshop and others are using woff with metadata - making all of those invalid is a problem
ChrisL: (explains last call process on getting a response back from commentor)
Vlad: dont like a breaking
change
... dont want to invalidate the usage of early
adopters
<scribe> ACTION: chris to respond to erik muller on namespaces in metadata [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-webfonts-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-51 - Respond to erik muller on namespaces in metadata [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-12-08].
<scribe> ACTION: chris to respond to erik muller on pronunciation and sorting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-webfonts-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-52 - Respond to erik muller on pronunciation and sorting [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-12-08].
ChrisL: adding @url to license text elements is a good idea
(generally seem to be in favour of separate urls for license elements)
Vlad: additional metadata does not override the license
Vlad; link can point to a page with multiple further links
ChrisL: woff benefit is being explicit on license. prefer to have option for separate ones
Vlad: will discuss with Monotype legal
tal: nothing changes for existing users. it adds options
ChrisL: important that this is not a breaking change
Vlad: easier for distributors to use a single place provided by the font owner
tal: mentioned that url at top of license, so should allow to have no text below. some foundries want just a link, no text.
ChrisL: please send that as a separate comment
Vlad: spec is clear that the text
in a license element is about the license, not a copy of the
license
... better to have some text, for users
tal: made some fonts for a
foundry and they said that they wanted just a url, no
text
... spec currently says we need both
... should it be either/or
ChrisL: seems more reasonable to me
tal: do we neeed null bytes. some things like that came up in the test plan, they are in red
http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/wiki/TestPlan-UserAgent
tal: in the process of doing the
test plan, multiple spec read-thoughs turned up some
issues.
... some are clear, like the file has to be long enough to
contain the header
... if the flavour is in contradiction with the actual table
data. spec is silent on that.
ChrisL: there are multiple flavours for truetype
tal: thses have caused problems for text engines before
Vlad: packaging mechanism is separate - if you package a broken thing, the package is not at fault
tal: jdaggett said list them all, so i did
Vlad: think that particular one is out of scope
tal: its additional tests
Vlad: may cross boundary between packaging and font sanitising
ChrisL: these are good for a validator, but in spme cases its not the woff spec that is violated but the OT spec
tal: some t=of these are crashing
bugs for certain OS
... number of tables, needs to be parseable
... some are tagged as format bit also need to be UA
conformance as well
... read the wiki pages
Vlad: anything here needs more discussion?
tal: tried to be very clear
Vlad: lets discuss on email and make resolutions next week on the red items
http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/wiki/TestPlan-Format
tal: have worked on
infrastructure for tests
... have been reading the css testsuite documentation
adjourned
(general appreciation for tal's work)
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