IRC log of dap on 2010-10-20

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/10/20-dap-irc
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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be DAP
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ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes
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Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 20 October 2010
13:43:40 [fjh]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Oct/0043.html
13:44:25 [fjh]
Regrets+ Suresh_Chitturi
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Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
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Present Cecile_Marc
13:44:55 [fjh]
Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:45:32 [cmarc]
Present+ Cecile_Marc
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Regrets+ Marco _Marengo
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s/Present Cecile_Marc//
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Regrets+ Wonsuk_Lee
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UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
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+ +33.2.99.12.aaaa
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Regrets+ Mohammed_Dadas
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- +33.2.99.12.aaaa
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UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were +33.2.99.12.aaaa
13:55:12 [fjh]
zakim, who is here?
13:55:12 [Zakim]
apparently UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended, fjh
13:55:14 [Zakim]
On IRC I see RRSAgent, Marcos, cmarc, richt, tlr, fjh, arve, wmaslowski, shepazu, ilkka, ingmar, trackbot, dom
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this is a test
13:55:35 [tlr]
fjh, we all didn't see it
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rrsagent, generate minutes
13:55:43 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/20-dap-minutes.html fjh
13:56:31 [fjh]
s/this is a test//
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s/fjh, we all didn't see it//
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UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
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+??P8
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zakim, ??P8 is me
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+fjh; got it
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rrsagent, generate minutes
13:57:44 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/20-dap-minutes.html fjh
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+ +33.2.99.12.aaaa
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+??P15
14:00:26 [fjh]
zakim, aaaa is cmarc
14:00:27 [Zakim]
+cmarc; got it
14:00:35 [fjh]
zakim, who is here?
14:00:40 [Zakim]
On the phone I see fjh, cmarc, ??P15
14:00:50 [Zakim]
On IRC I see jmorris, darobin, richt, Zakim, RRSAgent, Marcos, cmarc, tlr, fjh, wmaslowski, shepazu, ilkka, ingmar, trackbot, dom
14:00:56 [darobin]
zakim, ??P15 is me
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+darobin; got it
14:01:15 [Zakim]
+Dom
14:01:23 [dom]
Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
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+jmorris
14:01:41 [dom]
Zakim, who's noisy?
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Present+ LauraA
14:02:14 [Zakim]
dom, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: darobin (33%), jmorris (34%)
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Present+ Dzung_Tran
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+Claes
14:02:30 [jmorris]
Present+ John_Morris
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+nwidell
14:02:43 [nwidell]
Present+ Niklas_Widell
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+ilkka
14:02:57 [ilkka]
Present+ Ilkka_oksanen
14:03:01 [Claes]
Present+ Claes_Nilsson
14:04:14 [tlr]
zakim, call thomas-781
14:04:14 [Zakim]
ok, tlr; the call is being made
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+Thomas
14:04:20 [tlr]
zakim, I am thomas
14:04:20 [Zakim]
ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas
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zakim, mute me
14:04:22 [Zakim]
Thomas should now be muted
14:04:29 [fjh]
zakim, who is here?
14:04:29 [Zakim]
On the phone I see fjh, cmarc, darobin, Dom, jmorris, Claes, nwidell, ilkka, Thomas (muted)
14:04:31 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Dzung_Tran, LauraA, nwidell, Claes, jmorris, darobin, richt, Zakim, RRSAgent, Marcos, cmarc, tlr, fjh, wmaslowski, shepazu, ilkka, ingmar, trackbot, dom
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+richt
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ScribeNick: jmorris
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Topic: Administrative
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+LauraA
14:05:47 [jmorris]
fjh: talk about f2f
14:05:55 [fjh]
zakim, who is here?
14:05:55 [Zakim]
On the phone I see fjh, cmarc, darobin, Dom, jmorris, Claes, nwidell, ilkka, Thomas (muted), richt, LauraA
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On IRC I see Dzung_Tran, LauraA, nwidell, Claes, jmorris, darobin, richt, Zakim, RRSAgent, Marcos, cmarc, tlr, fjh, wmaslowski, shepazu, ilkka, ingmar, trackbot, dom
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... will send f2f agenda soon
14:06:16 [AnssiK]
Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
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... any suggestions for agenda would be welcome
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present+ erica+newland
14:06:59 [richt]
Present+ Richard_Tibbett
14:07:04 [enewland]
present+ erica_newland
14:07:10 [Zakim]
+AnssiK
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14:07:36 [jmorris]
... possibly we should talk with Web Notifications about permissions stuff
14:07:41 [dom]
(it doesn't look like they will meet there)
14:07:54 [maoteo]
Present+ Maria_Oteo
14:08:01 [dom]
http://www.w3.org/2010/11/TPAC/#GroupSchedule
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14:08:09 [darobin]
(yeah, I'd be surprised if they ever met, given the group)
14:08:20 [darobin]
Zakim, jmorris holds enewland
14:08:20 [Zakim]
+enewland; got it
14:09:37 [Zakim]
+ +34.97.421.aabb
14:09:54 [jmorris]
... what is going on with Geolocation
14:10:00 [maoteo]
Zakim, aabb is maoteo
14:10:00 [Zakim]
+maoteo; got it
14:10:14 [jmorris]
Claes: I am working with Geolocation
14:10:34 [jmorris]
... they are not working specifically on security/privacy right now
14:10:54 [dom]
Zakim, mute me
14:10:56 [Zakim]
Dom should now be muted
14:11:18 [jmorris]
... perhaps discussion on geoloc privacy, but not directly related to DAP
14:11:43 [jmorris]
fjh: we are overlapping with HTML WG, perhaps we should talk with them
14:11:44 [dom]
ack me
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Zakim, mute me
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Dom should now be muted
14:12:26 [danielcoloma]
Present+ Daniel_Coloma
14:12:30 [jmorris]
darobin: I can contact Web Notification, and we should also talk to html
14:12:45 [maoteo]
Zakim, maoteo holds danielcoloma
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+danielcoloma; got it
14:12:46 [darobin]
ACTION: Robin to ping HTML chairs, Notifications chair to see about potential joint meetings
14:12:46 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-284 - Ping HTML chairs, Notifications chair to see about potential joint meetings [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-10-27].
14:12:54 [jmorris]
fjh: darobin to contact HTML, fjh to contact Web Notification
14:13:19 [jmorris]
ACTION: fjh to ping web notification group
14:13:19 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-285 - Ping web notification group [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-10-27].
14:14:34 [AnssiK]
q+
14:14:36 [richt]
q+
14:14:44 [fjh]
ack anssiK
14:15:00 [jmorris]
darobin: possibly talk at f2f about test suites
14:15:09 [darobin]
q?
14:15:21 [dom]
+1 on reusing PhoneGap's stuff if possible
14:15:25 [darobin]
+1 too
14:15:27 [jmorris]
AnssiK: can re reuse test suite phonecap
14:15:38 [fjh]
anssi: asks about reusing phone gap test suite
14:15:48 [darobin]
s/phonecap/phonegap/
14:15:54 [darobin]
s/phone gap/phonegap/
14:15:54 [fjh]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Oct/0031.html
14:15:58 [dom]
q+ to talk on licenses
14:16:09 [dom]
ack me
14:16:10 [Zakim]
dom, you wanted to talk on licenses
14:16:27 [dom]
http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2008/04-testsuite-license.html
14:16:34 [jmorris]
dom: w3c has special license for document and PST? license
14:16:55 [jmorris]
... so we can probably reuse the PhoneGap test suite either because
14:17:05 [jmorris]
... license covers it or we can ask if needed
14:17:11 [dom]
http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2008/04-testsuite-copyright.html
14:17:42 [jmorris]
jmorris: should we put an action on dom to check on license
14:17:55 [darobin]
ack richt
14:17:57 [richt]
Proposed test suite methodology for e.g. Contacts: http://www.w3.org/TR/test-methodology/
14:18:02 [fjh]
action: dom to check licensing issues on phonegap test suite
14:18:02 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-286 - Check licensing issues on phonegap test suite [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2010-10-27].
14:18:21 [dom]
(I wonder if Anssi would be interested in presenting/demoing the phonegap tests)
14:18:26 [jmorris]
richt: discussing contacts test suite
14:18:28 [fjh]
ok, it looks like we need some time at F2F to work through test suite topics
14:18:43 [darobin]
+1 to AnssiK demoing the PG tests
14:19:02 [dom]
(I could probably make a quick intro to testing @w3c, and the test methodology)
14:19:09 [darobin]
+1 to that
14:19:16 [jmorris]
fjh: could Anssi demo PhoneGap test suite
14:19:31 [fjh]
+1 to dom introducing testing at w3 and ansii sharing understanding of PhoneGap test suite
14:19:40 [jmorris]
AnssiK: I am not a PhoneGap guy, but I will look at it
14:19:40 [dom]
ACTION: Anssi to introduce phonegap tests during F2F
14:19:40 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-287 - Introduce phonegap tests during F2F [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2010-10-27].
14:19:55 [dom]
ACTION: Dom to introduce testing@w3c during F2F
14:19:55 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-288 - Introduce testing@w3c during F2F [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2010-10-27].
14:20:01 [richt]
agree with fjh, Dom to introduce testing at W3C and demo of PG tests.
14:20:09 [richt]
...at the F2F
14:20:20 [dom]
q+ on agenda
14:20:40 [jmorris]
darobin: should we do a wiki page for the agenda?
14:20:49 [darobin]
ACTION: Robin to create Wiki page for f2f agenda
14:20:49 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-289 - Create Wiki page for f2f agenda [on Robin Berjon - due 2010-10-27].
14:21:24 [dom]
q?
14:21:36 [fjh]
ack dom
14:21:36 [Zakim]
dom, you wanted to comment on agenda
14:21:42 [jmorris]
dom: at f2f, we should spend time on roadmap
14:21:50 [fjh]
dom suggests review of RoadMap
14:21:54 [jmorris]
... we should have a written roadmap by end of year
14:22:44 [fjh]
TPAC registration (for in-person attendees) http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/
14:22:48 [jmorris]
fjh: our home page is our roadmap, do we need another docuemnt?
14:22:52 [fjh]
TPAC registration fee increases on 22 October
14:23:04 [jmorris]
s/cuem/cume/
14:23:11 [fjh]
DST difference to consider if dialing in to TPAC - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2010Oct/0002.html
14:23:15 [dom]
(we have 32 registered participants for the F2F, not too bad)
14:23:23 [darobin]
-> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/TPAC10Agenda TPAC 10 agenda scratchpad
14:23:26 [jmorris]
fjh: registration for TPAC closes soon
14:23:36 [fjh]
File API updates
14:23:45 [fjh]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Oct/0027.html
14:23:48 [jmorris]
... if you are dialing in you must be careful about timezones, daylight savings, etc.
14:23:59 [jmorris]
... update of file permissions spec
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topic: Minutes approval
14:24:35 [fjh]
Approve 6 October minutes
14:24:35 [fjh]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Oct/att-0014/minutes-2010-10-06.html
14:24:38 [jmorris]
14:24:43 [fjh]
proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 6 October 2010 approved
14:25:00 [jmorris]
RESOLUTION: Minutes from 6 October 2010 approved
14:25:08 [jmorris]
topic: Permissions spec
14:25:17 [nwidell]
I'm here
14:25:17 [fjh]
parameterization, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Oct/0034.html
14:25:25 [nwidell]
q+
14:25:33 [jmorris]
fjh: nicholas sent a message re granuality
14:26:05 [dom]
(the permissions may need to be parametrized per recipient/sender)
14:26:24 [jmorris]
who?: problem is not what you mentioned
14:26:40 [darobin]
s/who?/niklas/
14:26:42 [jmorris]
... problem is that widget will be notified for every message on system
14:26:52 [darobin]
ack nwidell
14:26:57 [jmorris]
s/nicholas/niklas/
14:27:16 [dom]
q+
14:27:32 [jmorris]
... need to be clear on what kinds of messages the widget can see
14:27:40 [fjh]
ack dom
14:28:14 [jmorris]
dom: one way would be to paramaterize the permissions, or have the API be minimized so you can only use it for a well defined set or recipients
14:28:40 [fjh]
issue is limiting permission on api to only allow messages to/from given address etc. also separate different types of messaging
14:28:49 [jmorris]
... messaging API should give access only to well defined set of recipients
14:29:00 [nwidell]
q+
14:29:03 [fjh]
q+ to ask about use case
14:29:05 [AnssiK]
q+
14:29:12 [fjh]
ack nwidell
14:29:22 [dom]
ACTION-132?
14:29:22 [trackbot]
ACTION-132 -- Max Froumentin to look at messaging subscribe with filtering and events -- due 2010-03-25 -- OPEN
14:29:22 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/132
14:29:34 [dom]
see also http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/att-0180/minutes-2010-03-18.html#item01
14:30:00 [jmorris]
nwidell: want to have permission up front
14:30:06 [jmorris]
... when get it otherwise?
14:30:20 [jmorris]
fjh: how would I assign permissions
14:30:39 [jmorris]
... I might want to receive from someone I did not anticipate
14:30:50 [jmorris]
dom: it is about the application, not the user
14:31:08 [jmorris]
... I agree that we need to decide on defining up front or not
14:31:26 [jmorris]
... we need use cases for messaging where we can define a proper security model
14:31:34 [darobin]
+1 to knowing what it is we want to do with messaging in the first place
14:31:45 [nwidell]
q+
14:31:51 [fjh]
ack fjh
14:31:51 [Zakim]
fjh, you wanted to ask about use case
14:31:54 [fjh]
ack AnssiK
14:32:15 [AnssiK]
Mozilla released their Open Web Apps platform I think yesterday, they'reeyeing at "Permissions for Device API Access" spec and might have good feedback based on impl experiences: https://apps.mozillalabs.com/web_or_native.html
14:32:34 [jmorris]
AnssiK: openwebapps platform is attacking similar problems
14:32:50 [jmorris]
... they are stating that they are looking into permissions for device API
14:32:59 [jmorris]
... who would be a good mozilla contact
14:33:21 [jmorris]
... we should get feedback from people implementing stuff
14:33:41 [dom]
(I hadn't seen the ref to the permissions draft in https://apps.mozillalabs.com/web_or_native.html - cool!)
14:33:48 [jmorris]
... hans? from mozilla seems to be working on plug ins
14:33:59 [jmorris]
... those guys seem to be following what we are doing
14:34:08 [darobin]
s/hans?/hanson/
14:34:15 [jmorris]
... I do not know the mozilla people personally
14:34:16 [tlr]
Mark Hanson
14:34:32 [tlr]
s/Mark/Mike/
14:34:37 [fjh]
action: contact mozilla for thoughts on messaging and permission spec
14:34:37 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - contact
14:34:52 [fjh]
action: fjh contact mozilla for thoughts on messaging and permission spec
14:34:52 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-290 - Contact mozilla for thoughts on messaging and permission spec [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-10-27].
14:35:01 [fjh]
q?
14:35:05 [fjh]
ack nwidell
14:35:39 [dom]
(not sure we need to contacts Mozilla on messaging; permissions sounds enough)
14:35:53 [darobin]
(agreed)
14:36:28 [jmorris]
dom: asking re who is working on permission spec
14:36:38 [dom]
ACTION: Maria to work on security model for messaging
14:36:38 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-291 - Work on security model for messaging [on Maria Angeles Oteo - due 2010-10-27].
14:36:43 [AnssiK]
(the Moz Open Web Apps experiment at GitHub: http://github.com/mozilla/openwebapps)
14:36:56 [jmorris]
s/permission/messaging/
14:36:59 [jmorris]
Topic: Privacy
14:37:00 [dom]
zakim, mute me
14:37:00 [Zakim]
Dom should now be muted
14:37:13 [fjh]
ACTION-210?
14:37:13 [trackbot]
ACTION-210 -- Alissa Cooper to summarize and add issues to ruleset doc -- due 2010-07-21 -- OPEN
14:37:13 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/210
14:37:25 [jmorris]
fjh: Alissa added issues to ruleset document
14:37:55 [dom]
q+
14:38:02 [dom]
ack me
14:38:14 [jmorris]
darobin: do we discuss publishing at f2f
14:38:32 [jmorris]
dom: we want to have idea of how to address issues raised at f2f
14:39:31 [jmorris]
dom: some of the issues are fundamental
14:39:49 [jmorris]
... before issuing document we need to understand that some issues are not addressable
14:39:54 [jmorris]
... we need to
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get an idea of what issues we would not be able to address
14:40:46 [jmorris]
dom: starting a FPWD suggests we know what we are doing
14:40:47 [jmorris]
...
14:40:48 [jmorris]
14:40:49 [jmorris]
14:40:51 [jmorris]
...
14:41:28 [jmorris]
fjh: look at issues on list
14:41:32 [jmorris]
... before the f2f
14:41:45 [fjh]
action: fjh to review ruleset issues
14:41:45 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-292 - Review ruleset issues [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-10-27].
14:41:50 [Zakim]
-AnssiK
14:42:10 [jmorris]
Topic: Contacts
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fjh: clickjacking
14:42:43 [Zakim]
+AnssiK
14:42:48 [fjh]
Clickjacking threat and countermeasures
14:42:48 [fjh]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Oct/0017.html
14:42:55 [jmorris]
darobin: it is not clear that clickjacking is something we need to solve at API level
14:43:01 [fjh]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Oct/0018.html
14:43:25 [jmorris]
... or something that needs to be solved more generally
14:43:26 [darobin]
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Oct/0025.html CSP
14:43:43 [jmorris]
... this might provide a path toward solution
14:43:56 [jmorris]
... but I'm not a security expert
14:44:08 [richt]
+1 agree with Robin but not too sure on the CSP connection :/
14:44:35 [jmorris]
dom: CSP may help solve some of problem but cannot
14:44:44 [AnssiK1]
q+
14:44:46 [fjh]
dom: CSP is server side, so not enough for client-side API
14:44:55 [jmorris]
... use is as a security argument in API
14:45:06 [darobin]
ack AnssiK1
14:45:12 [jmorris]
darobin: soluitons will come from broader options
14:45:32 [darobin]
+1 to not doing anything new
14:45:34 [jmorris]
AnssiK: we should not do anything that has not been done before
14:45:52 [jmorris]
... let's not open can of worms
14:46:17 [jmorris]
... so let's use, for example, fileinput, rather than obscure way for user input
14:46:39 [jmorris]
... if we use general mechanisms that have been tested, we are safer
14:47:15 [jmorris]
darobin: agree not to invent new input methods
14:47:53 [jmorris]
richt: looked only briefly at it
14:48:05 [jmorris]
... idea is to go straight to trusted events
14:48:21 [jmorris]
... talks about synthesized events and how they can be mitigated
14:48:37 [dom]
Zakim, mute me
14:48:37 [Zakim]
Dom should now be muted
14:48:42 [jmorris]
... but I still need to put some language into the contact spec
14:50:11 [richt]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Oct/0021.html
14:50:30 [darobin]
https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Using_files_from_web_applications#Using_hidden_file_input_elements_using_the_click%28%29_method
14:50:35 [jmorris]
AnssiK: robin's e-mail raises issue - Anssi could not find it in spec
14:51:15 [jmorris]
darobin: look at link
14:51:38 [jmorris]
... if they make this possible, it may suggest that the security issue has been solved
14:51:47 [richt]
that's is an important point Robin. Thanks for the link.
14:52:17 [jmorris]
richt?: this is helpful input
14:52:30 [darobin]
s/richt?/richt/
14:52:34 [jmorris]
... this reenforces our approach to this
14:53:04 [jmorris]
darobin: this helps decide the issue
14:53:25 [jmorris]
richt: a synthesized event is possible
14:53:46 [jmorris]
... I will put some of this into document by TPAC
14:54:11 [jmorris]
darobin: now to phonegap implemention
14:54:33 [jmorris]
... good that they have implemented, but not sure we need to discuss more now
14:54:48 [jmorris]
richt: good we have phonegap reenforcing what we are doing
14:54:58 [AnssiK1]
q+
14:55:04 [jmorris]
... good that UI is nonnormative
14:55:14 [darobin]
ack AnssiK1
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topics
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s/topics//
14:56:00 [jmorris]
AnssiK: android is having hard time including all elements ?
14:57:05 [jmorris]
richt: we should clarify spec re whether all fields included
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darobin: phonegap is implemeting read and write?
14:58:21 [jmorris]
richt: yes, both
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darobin: read only is one way to avoid quirks
14:59:08 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
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-[IPcaller]
14:59:20 [darobin]
-> http://www.w3.org/mid/23694B98-A35D-4572-8C2A-FA5E00D708D7@nokia.com quirks in Contacts
14:59:39 [Zakim]
+??P24
15:00:12 [jmorris]
darobin: worth looking at quirks in Android implementation
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... many of them are "not supported" and "will return null"
15:00:54 [darobin]
"In order to save the Contact object on the device call the save method on the Contact object."
15:01:11 [Dong-Young_Lee]
Present+ Dong-Young_Lee
15:01:32 [darobin]
-> http://www.w3.org/mid/AANLkTimTRDn=8eXwyY=HFqBSNbYFM4xfeBTU+h3M7PCo@mail.gmail.com save support
15:02:02 [darobin]
ACTION-251?
15:02:02 [trackbot]
ACTION-251 -- John Morris to review privacy text related to ISSUE-78 for capture -- due 2010-10-20 -- OPEN
15:02:02 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/251
15:02:15 [jmorris]
Topic: Capture
15:02:44 [jmorris]
Topic: Gallery
15:02:51 [darobin]
ACTION-216?
15:02:51 [trackbot]
ACTION-216 -- WonSuk Lee to reformulate gallery API to look like contacts API -- due 2010-07-21 -- OPEN
15:02:51 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/216
15:03:09 [jmorris]
jmorris: re Capture - I will turn to action 251
15:04:11 [dom]
(I think starting with readonly for gallery makes plenty of sense)
15:04:22 [jmorris]
??: we can look to reuse contacts approach
15:04:36 [darobin]
s/??/Anssi/
15:04:41 [jmorris]
... we can make major changes to gallery
15:04:54 [jmorris]
... let's proceed with contacts design model
15:05:35 [jmorris]
darobin: do we need to wait another week?
15:06:06 [Zakim]
-richt
15:06:07 [darobin]
PROPOSED RESOLUTION: move forward with read-only gallery
15:06:13 [jmorris]
AnssiK: could we just copy the contacts scheme, with media parts
15:06:39 [jmorris]
... we can move faster if we split into smaller parts
15:06:43 [dom]
+1
15:06:46 [darobin]
RESOLUTION: move forward with read-only gallery
15:06:46 [jmorris]
RESOLUTION: move forward with read-only gallery
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Topic: Calendar
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Topic: Sysinfo status
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darobin: reviewing Sysinfo
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... almost done, finding small nits
15:08:14 [jmorris]
... anything else for call?
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zakim, drop thomas
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Thomas is being disconnected
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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Attendees were fjh, +33.2.99.12.aaaa, cmarc, darobin, Dom, Claes, nwidell, ilkka, Thomas, richt, LauraA, AnssiK, enewland, +34.97.421.aabb, danielcoloma, [IPcaller]
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