IRC log of a11y-bugs on 2010-09-28

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meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Bug-Triage Sub-Team

15:00:20 [MichaelC]

zakim, this will be 2119

15:00:20 [Zakim]

ok, MichaelC; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML_TF)11:00AM scheduled to start now

15:01:53 [Zakim]

WAI_PFWG(HTML_TF)11:00AM has now started

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+??P29

15:02:03 [Zakim]

+Michael_Cooper

15:02:21 [Zakim]

+kliehm

15:02:22 [MichaelC]

zakim, ??P29 is Marco_Ranon

15:02:22 [Zakim]

+Marco_Ranon; got it

15:04:13 [MichaelC]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Sep/0577.html

15:04:23 [MichaelC]

agenda?

15:04:49 [MichaelC]

agenda+Identify Scribe

15:04:51 [MichaelC]

agenda+ 1 October Deadline

15:04:52 [MichaelC]

agenda+Review NEEDSINFO bugs (aka. previous homework)

15:04:54 [MichaelC]

agenda+ Assign homework for next week

15:07:01 [MichaelC]

scribe: MichaelC

15:08:10 [MichaelC]

-> http://www.w3.org/2010/09/21-a11y-bugs-minutes Minutes of 21 September 2010 meeting

15:08:27 [MichaelC]

-> http://www.w3.org/2010/09/14-a11y-bugs-minutes Minutes of 14 September 2010 meeting

15:09:45 [MichaelC]

zakim, drop item 1

15:09:45 [Zakim]

agendum 1, Identify Scribe, dropped

15:09:50 [MichaelC]

zakim, take up item 2

15:09:50 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "1 October Deadline" taken up [from MichaelC]

15:10:22 [MichaelC]

mk: Would like to read through spec to see if there are bugs to file before 1 Oct

15:10:40 [Joshue]

ok, how do I dial in?

15:10:41 [Marco_Ranon]

i'm calling zakim usa using skype

15:11:00 [MichaelC]

mc: think it's a good idea but don't see time to do it myself

15:12:11 [MichaelC]

mk: it's slightly out of scope of the bug triage team

15:12:44 [MichaelC]

joc: don't see time to troll spec for new bugs, but can respond to existing ones

15:12:48 [MichaelC]

mr: +1

15:13:30 [MichaelC]

mk: yes, also difficult for me

15:13:38 [MichaelC]

we need to consider the February deadline more than the October one

15:13:40 [MichaelC]

zakim, next item

15:13:40 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Review NEEDSINFO bugs (aka. previous homework)" taken up [from MichaelC]

15:14:41 [Joshue]

Bug 8740 - How do pseudo-class selectors interact with WAI-ARIA?

15:14:54 [Joshue]

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8740

15:16:14 [MichaelC]

== 8715 ==

15:16:16 [MichaelC]

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8715

15:16:19 [MichaelC]

Josh filed bug

15:16:26 [MichaelC]

Marco recommends Josh provide additional info

15:16:57 [MichaelC]

action: Josh to provide further information in bug 8715

15:18:08 [kliehm]

== 8722 ==

15:18:10 [kliehm]

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8722

15:20:53 [MichaelC]

perhaps should be related to other canvas bugs (has keyword but not dependencies)

15:21:35 [Joshue]

There don't seem to be any a11y_canvas bugs?

15:23:02 [Marco_Ranon]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0225.html

15:24:10 [Joshue]

Sample search for canvas http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=canvas

15:25:27 [MichaelC]

Bugzilla errors preventing us from finding the set of bugs tagged a11y_canvas

15:25:43 [kliehm]

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?keywords=a11y_canvas

15:29:14 [Joshue]

We may not want to say that focus behaviour should the same for all canvas regions as for elements.? There may be some elements where we don't want this behaviour, and the spec may not need to explicitly state this. We need to understand dependencies between 10249 and 10248.

15:29:42 [MichaelC]

8722 is superceded by 10249 and 10248

15:31:35 [MichaelC]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-a11y-bugs-minutes.html MichaelC

15:32:16 [kliehm]

== 8622 ==

15:32:18 [kliehm]

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8622

15:32:43 [MichaelC]

rrsagent, make log public

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chair: Martin_Kliehm

15:35:11 [Joshue]

ACTION, Josh to ping Cyns and Gez on Bug 8622 - Activation behaviour and pre-click activation

15:35:46 [MichaelC]

action: Josh to ping Cyns and Gez on Bug 8622 - Activation behaviour and pre-click activation

15:36:50 [kliehm]

== 8645 ==

15:36:52 [kliehm]

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8645

15:40:55 [MichaelC]

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?keywords=a11y_text-alt

15:42:28 [MichaelC]

action: Martin to review if bug 8645 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8645 is addressed by other bugs at http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?keywords=a11y_text-alt and if so list the dependencies and mark it as verified

15:42:38 [kliehm]

== 8740 ==

15:42:39 [kliehm]

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8740

15:45:38 [Joshue]

The suggestion from HSivonen and Hixie is that ARIA should /not/ effect

15:48:20 [MichaelC]

action: Gez to ask PFWG about bug 8740, it needs to be addressed as an ARIA question (in coordination with CSS WG, perhaps at TPAC) and then cycled back to this bug

15:49:48 [kliehm]

== 8885 ==

15:49:50 [kliehm]

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8885

15:52:28 [Joshue]

II am also at a loss as to what to do here, is this the same as

15:54:18 [kliehm]

present: Joshue_O_Connor

15:54:58 [MichaelC]

Discussed fallback content 31 August 2010 http://www.w3.org/2010/08/31-a11y-bugs-minutes.html

15:59:10 [MichaelC]

action: Michael to prepare description of problem and basic proposed solution for bug 8885 - run first past bug triage team and then take to TF for consideration

15:59:48 [MichaelC]

Note, HTML chairs have indicated that new bugs that are refinements of existing bugs are likely to be accepted after the 1 October deadline, though the "bar" for acceptance gets higher as time goes on

16:00:38 [kliehm]

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?keywords=a11ytf&bug_status=RESOLVED&resolution=NEEDSINFO

16:02:05 [kliehm]

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?keywords=a11ytf&bug_status=RESOLVED&resolution=INVALID

16:03:49 [kliehm]

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?keywords=a11y&chfieldfrom=-2w&chfieldto=Now&chfield=[Bug+creation]

16:04:16 [MichaelC]

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?keywords=a11y&chfieldfrom=-3w&chfieldto=Now&chfield=[Bug+creation]

16:08:16 [MichaelC]

topic: Homework

16:09:14 [MichaelC]

Josh to review whether the following bugs should be should TF priorities: 10591, 10592, 10593, 10594, 10596, 10600, 10603, 10604

16:11:12 [MichaelC]

Martin to review whether the following bugs should be TF priorities: 10605, 10606, 10614, 10618, 10642, 10645, 10649, 10657

16:11:52 [MichaelC]

Michael to review whether the following bugs should be TF priorities: 10660, 10661, 10708, 10709, 10710, 10712, 10713, 10772

16:12:24 [MichaelC]

Unassigned new bugs we'll need to come back to: 10774, 10775, 10776, 10777, 10778, 10779, 10780, 10781, 10782, 10783, 10784

16:13:20 [MichaelC]

Michael to review 8171

16:13:31 [MichaelC]

Martin to review 9774

16:13:36 [MichaelC]

Josh to review 8753

16:14:03 [MichaelC]

topic: Next meeting

16:14:13 [MichaelC]

regrets from Marco, so not taking homework this week

16:14:46 [MichaelC]

Next meeting Tuesday 5 October 15:00 UTC

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-kliehm

16:15:43 [Zakim]

-Michael_Cooper

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WAI_PFWG(HTML_TF)11:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Michael_Cooper, kliehm, Marco_Ranon

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-a11y-bugs-minutes.html MichaelC

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present+ Joshue_O_Connor

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-a11y-bugs-minutes.html kliehm

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I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-a11y-bugs-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Josh to provide further information in bug 8715 [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-a11y-bugs-irc#T15-16-57

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ACTION: Josh to ping Cyns and Gez on Bug 8622 - Activation behaviour and pre-click activation [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-a11y-bugs-irc#T15-35-46

16:47:48 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Martin to review if bug 8645 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8645 is addressed by other bugs at http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?keywords=a11y_text-alt and if so list the dependencies and mark it as verified [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-a11y-bugs-irc#T15-42-28

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ACTION: Gez to ask PFWG about bug 8740, it needs to be addressed as an ARIA question (in coordination with CSS WG, perhaps at TPAC) and then cycled back to this bug [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-a11y-bugs-irc#T15-48-20

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ACTION: Michael to prepare description of problem and basic proposed solution for bug 8885 - run first past bug triage team and then take to TF for consideration [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-a11y-bugs-irc#T15-59-10

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present: Martin_Kliehm, Michael_Cooper, Marco_Ranon, Joshue_O'Connor

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/28-a11y-bugs-minutes.html MichaelC

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I see no action items