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15:58:47 Zakim, this will be html_wg
15:58:47 ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
15:58:48 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
15:58:48 Date: 02 September 2010
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15:59:35 Zakim, mute dsinger
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16:01:51 +[Microsoft]
16:02:01 Zakim, Microsoft is me
16:02:01 +eliot; got it
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16:03:22 Zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
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16:03:34 +paulc; got it
16:03:38 Zakim, Microsoft.a is krisk
16:03:41 Sam: are you ready to scribe?
16:03:42 +krisk; got it
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16:03:47 scribe: rubys
16:03:51 +Michael_Cooper
16:03:53 chair: paulc
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16:04:50 +Julian_Reschke
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16:05:21 zakim, call janina
16:05:21 ok, janina; the call is being made
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16:05:34 topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, Sep 2
16:05:39 ACTION items due by Thursday, Sep 2
16:05:39 Sorry, couldn't find user - items
16:05:49 action-185?
16:05:49 ACTION-185 -- Michael(tm) Smith to ... for the things in html4 and html5, send a mail to the link relations email list to update these and point to the latest html5 doc -- due 2010-09-02 -- OPEN
16:05:49 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/185
16:05:50 Title: ACTION-185 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:06:03 q+
16:06:11 ack Julian
16:06:28 Zakim, call Mike
16:06:28 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:06:32 +Mike
16:06:32 julian: mike send out email this morning, and his action can be closed.
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16:06:45 paulc: public links?
16:06:55 http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/link-relations/current/msg00080.html
16:06:56 Title: Re: [link-relations] NEW RELATION REQUEST: Relation name: "next" (at www.ietf.org)
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16:07:08 Zakim, Mike is me
16:07:08 +MikeSmith; got it
16:07:12 close action-185
16:07:12 ACTION-185 ... for the things in html4 and html5, send a mail to the link relations email list to update these and point to the latest html5 doc closed
16:07:29 topic: 2. New Issues This Week
16:07:36 ISSUE-118?
16:07:36 ISSUE-118 -- Specification breaks semantics of existing link relations "index" and "first" -- raised
16:07:36 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/118
16:07:38 Title: ISSUE-118 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:07:39 +[Microsoft.a]
16:07:52 zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
16:07:52 +adrianba; got it
16:08:09 paulc: this issue arrived in the last 24 hours
16:08:17 topic: Items Closed Last Week
16:08:22 paulc: none
16:08:29 topic: Items Closing This week
16:08:35 issue-110?
16:08:35 ISSUE-110 -- Change Control for text/html-sandboxed media type -- open
16:08:35 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/110
16:08:36 Title: ISSUE-110 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:08:41 Closes on Sep 4
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16:08:49 paulc call for counter proposals for issue 110 closes on sept 4
16:08:57 topic: Items Closing Next Week
16:08:59 paulc: none
16:09:07 topic: Outstanding Calls for Proposals
16:09:10 issue-117?
16:09:10 ISSUE-117 -- Deprecate the noscript element -- raised
16:09:10 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/117
16:09:10 +Maciej
16:09:11 Title: ISSUE-117 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:09:16 Closes on Sep 27
16:09:29 topic: Issue updates
16:09:33 issue-85?
16:09:33 ISSUE-85 -- ARIA roles added to the a element should be conforming in HTML5 -- open
16:09:33 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/85
16:09:34 Title: ISSUE-85 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:09:46 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_id=10463,8000,10451,10467,10445,10438,10486,10462,10450,10441,10496,10452,10485,10464,10444,10487,10446,10479,10440,10447,10449,10493,10439,10465,10448,10494,10478
16:09:47 Title: Bug List (at www.w3.org)
16:10:19 mjs: there are a number of individual bugs representing the differences between the proposal and the current draft
16:10:49 mjs: some have been initially addressed (some applied to the spec, and some rejected, some reopened)
16:11:26 mjs: hopefully we will get them addressed soon; I'll be sending a written status to the WG shortly.
16:11:30 What is the schedule going forward?
16:12:14 paulc: the chairs originally gave today as the deadline as to when the chairs decide what the next steps are
16:12:34 mjs: so far the process seems to be making progress
16:13:03 mjs: the original target was 30 days from when the editor asked for more information
16:13:12 paulc: that was probably two weeks ago
16:13:29 paulc: the chairs will emphasize to the editor the need to respond to these existing bugs
16:14:02 paulc: the TF wants to concentrate efforts on this, and wants a schedule going forward
16:14:31 issue-116?
16:14:31 ISSUE-116 -- provide reference and info about HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives in html5 spec -- open
16:14:31 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/116
16:14:33 Title: ISSUE-116 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:15:04 rubys: James Graham indicates that he has made the changes but hasn't tested them He intended to do so last night, but didn't manage. He plans to complete this tonight. Once complete, my plans are still to send out a call for consensus based on that result.
16:15:22 paulc: so we can see a CfC as early as the end of the week?
16:15:24 rubys: yes
16:15:30 issue-41?
16:15:30 ISSUE-41 -- Decentralized extensibility -- open
16:15:30 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/41
16:15:31 Title: ISSUE-41 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:16:02 paulc: the chairs have a pending piece of work to review the three remaining change proposals to ensure that they are up to our level of quality
16:16:30 paulc: we don't want to issue a survey with incomplete proposals; we have had that action for 3 weeks, and we had intended to have that done today
16:16:52 topic: Testing Task force report, Kris K
16:18:00 We met as planned last week -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Aug/0010.html
16:18:01 Title: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 8/24/2010 from Kris Krueger on 2010-08-24 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from August 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:18:43 We approved the getElementsByClassName tests
16:19:38 How many were approved? Kris:18
16:19:44 Though for tests that can pass/fail via script (e.g. getElementsClassName) are ran via the test runner without having to click pass/fail
16:20:27 Their was more discussion on 'ref' tests
16:20:51 and how these 'ref' test or visual test can be automated
16:21:29 additionally we approved 25 more of Philip Taylors Canvas tests
16:21:53 Does the current results page represent all the currently approved tests?
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16:22:45 +[Apple]
16:23:01 -dsinger
16:23:03 The link is http://test.w3.org/html/tests/reporting/report.htm for test results
16:23:04 Title: HTML5 Conformance Test Results (at test.w3.org)
16:23:12 zakim, [apple] has dsinger
16:23:12 +dsinger; got it
16:23:27 It is fine feedback to add a date to the page when the result was last ran
16:24:06 paulc: it is nearly to the point where you need to be versioning either the test suite itself or the results.
16:24:07 I suggest you version or date the test suite and the results page.
16:24:41 topic: Accessibility Task Force report, Janina
16:24:43 it's 01:24 in Japan
16:25:16 Nice
16:25:26 time zones are hard on the brain.
16:25:57 janina: the main new news is that over August we have formulated a subteam to address the bugs that have been entered against a11y.
16:26:43 Bugs sub-group minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Sep/0047.html
16:26:44 Title: [BUGS] Minutes Bug Triage sub-team 31 August 2010 from Michael Cooper on 2010-09-02 (public-html-a11y@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:27:18 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Requirements
16:27:19 Title: Media Accessibility User Requirements - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at www.w3.org)
16:27:29 Requirements proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Aug/0329.html
16:27:30 Title: RE: Media Accessibility User Requirements Published from Paul Cotton on 2010-08-26 (public-html@w3.org from August 2010) (at lists.w3.org)
16:28:13 janina: we are eager to engage wider discussion as the implications of the requirements are fairly significant
16:29:23 janina: in some cases the accommodations are older than the web, and has a rich history and is widely deployed.
16:30:52 janina: this is a user interface requirement, not a user agent or authoring requirement, or an inventory of what is or is not supported.
16:31:54 janina: we are not expecting all user agents to support all of the accommodations; there is a wide variety of devices out there
16:33:32 janina: the intro contains these caveats
16:33:47 janina: section categorizes types of disabilities
16:33:53 s/section/section 1/
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16:34:24 janina: section2 describes the types of accommodations and alternative media
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16:34:34 janina: section 3 describes the system requirements
16:35:19 janina: section 2.1 covers "Described video", a term that goes back to broadcast media; primarily for people who don't see well.
16:35:55 janina?
16:35:56 janina, we lost your voice
16:35:59 Janina: are you still there?
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16:36:59 zakim, drop janina
16:36:59 Janina is being disconnected
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16:37:04 zakim, call janina
16:37:04 ok, janina; the call is being made
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16:38:18 bugmail: [Bug 10533] New: Remove section, it's in CSSOM <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0075.html>
16:38:19 planet: Drumbeat: what’s next? <11http://commonspace.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/drumbeatnext/>
16:38:43 janina, ready?
16:40:29 Waiting for janina to solve her connection or audio problem.
16:41:18 Nothing else on the agenda
16:41:37 I put this at the end of the agenda on purpose.
16:42:23 q+
16:42:33 ack dsinger
16:42:36 ack next
16:43:21 dsinger: the CSS WG is considering using media queries to select sources based on accessibility needs
16:44:40 topic: Other business
16:44:44 paulc: none
16:44:52 topic: Scribe for next meeting
16:45:10 Maciej is due to chair next week.
16:45:21 adrian will scribe
16:45:28 topic: Adjournment
16:46:06 ... adjourned, with apologies to the audio difficulties
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16:46:18 Adjourned at 12:46
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16:46:39 -Matt_May
16:46:40 rrsagent, publish minutes
16:46:40 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/02-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
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16:48:55 -[Microsoft]
16:49:04 -Maciej
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16:49:07 Attendees were dsinger, Sam, +1.732.859.aaaa, Matt_May, Radhika_Roy, eliot, +1.971.998.aabb, Eric_Carlson, paulc, krisk, Michael_Cooper, Julian_Reschke, Janina, MikeSmith,
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17:48:23 @notes
17:48:23 MikeSmith: I currently have notes waiting for annevk and reset.
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18:38:50 bugmail: [Bug 7721] Drag and Drop is not keyboard accessible <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0076.html>
18:38:51 planet: Google Developer Day 2010 Agenda: Android, Chrome & HTML5 and Cloud Platform <11http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/Dcni/~3/46zrnjr-rk8/google-developer-day-2010-agenda.html>
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19:08:57 bugmail: [Bug 10535] Don't throw WRONG_DOCUMENT_ERRs <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0079.html> 4** [Bug 10536] New: Don't throw WRONG_DOCUMENT_ERRs <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0078.html> 4** [Bug 10535] New: Don't throw WRONG_DOCUMENT_ERRs <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0077.html>
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19:39:04 'planet: 1K+ preorders for "HTML5: Up and Running" spiked its launch week numbers off the charts. Open publishing works, yo. http://oreil.ly/bmJi8B <\x0311http://twitter.com/diveintomark/statuses/22820627810\x0f> \x034\x02**\x0f HTML5: Up and Running \n - O\'Reilly Media <\x0311http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596806033/\x0f>'
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20:09:12 bugmail: [Bug 10455] Mint a describedby attribute for the img element <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0080.html>
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20:39:18 bugmail: "[Bug 10455] Mint a describedby attribute for the img element" (3 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0082.html>
21:09:25 bugmail: "[Bug 10455] Mint a describedby attribute for the img element" (4 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0083.html>
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21:39:32 bugmail: "[Bug 10455] Mint a describedby attribute for the img element" (6 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0085.html>
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22:09:39 bugmail: "[Bug 10455] Mint a describedby attribute for the img element" (8 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0087.html>
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