IRC log of mediafrag on 2010-05-19
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
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- ok, trackbot; I see IA_MFWG()5:00AM scheduled to start 4 minutes ago
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- Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 19 May 2010
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- IA_MFWG()5:00AM has now started
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- +mhausenblas
- 09:06:18 [mhausenblas]
- Zakim, who's here?
- 09:06:19 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see mhausenblas
- 09:06:20 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, raphael, mhausenblas, conrad, silvia, Yves, trackbot
- 09:06:24 [mhausenblas]
- hu? I'm the first? :)
- 09:06:39 [raphael]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010May/0028.html
- 09:06:43 [mhausenblas]
- people, it's 7 past the hour here :D
- 09:06:47 [mhausenblas]
- heya silvia
- 09:07:27 [Zakim]
- +raphael
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- Chair: Erik, Raphael
- 09:08:27 [raphael]
- Present: Michael, Raphael, Silvia
- 09:08:30 [raphael]
- Regrets: Davy
- 09:08:37 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/19-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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- +Silvia
- 09:10:22 [raphael]
- scribenick: raphael
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- Scribe: raphael
- 09:10:38 [silvia]
- zakim, mute me
- 09:10:38 [Zakim]
- Silvia should now be muted
- 09:10:43 [raphael]
- Topic: 1. Admin
- 09:11:03 [raphael]
- PROPOSED to accept the short minutes of the 12 May 2010 telecon: http://www.w3.org/2010/05/12-mediafrag-minutes.html ?
- 09:12:23 [silvia]
- +1
- 09:12:25 [raphael]
- +1
- 09:12:26 [mhausenblas]
- +1
- 09:13:14 [raphael]
- Next F2F meeting: Michael will not make it physically but will paticipate remotely
- 09:13:23 [raphael]
- Raphael will send details this afternoon
- 09:13:51 [silvia]
- zakim, unmute me
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- Silvia should no longer be muted
- 09:13:58 [raphael]
- Topic: 2. Specification
- 09:14:07 [raphael]
- ACTIOn-156?
- 09:14:07 [trackbot]
- ACTION-156 -- Conrad Parker to add a "bandwidth conservation use case" -- due 2010-03-16 -- OPEN
- 09:14:07 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/156
- 09:14:27 [raphael]
- Raphael: I will email Conrad about that ...
- 09:14:49 [raphael]
- ACTION-123?
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- ACTION-123 -- Silvia Pfeiffer to come up with ABNF for header syntax -- due 2009-12-09 -- OPEN
- 09:14:49 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/123
- 09:15:19 [raphael]
- Silvia: quite busy week, I haven't started, but I will do that tonight
- 09:15:29 [raphael]
- ... I do not expect difficulty, I will email this out
- 09:15:39 [raphael]
- ACTION-154?
- 09:15:39 [trackbot]
- ACTION-154 -- Davy Van Deursen to add a section 5.2.4 describing his new optimization -- due 2010-03-16 -- OPEN
- 09:15:39 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/154
- 09:15:45 [raphael]
- close ACTION-154
- 09:15:45 [trackbot]
- ACTION-154 Add a section 5.2.4 describing his new optimization closed
- 09:15:48 [erik]
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- 09:17:38 [raphael]
- Raphael: Davy has re-structured the section 5.2, is there any objections ?
- 09:17:44 [raphael]
- Silvia: no objection
- 09:17:47 [Zakim]
- +Erik
- 09:17:48 [raphael]
- Michael: no objections
- 09:18:33 [erik]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 09:18:33 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/19-mediafrag-minutes.html erik
- 09:18:53 [silvia]
- zakim, mute me
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- Silvia should now be muted
- 09:18:54 [raphael]
- Silvia: I agree that currently, codecs do not allow to address spatial fragment without transcoding
- 09:19:05 [raphael]
- ... so agree, it should happen with a query
- 09:19:26 [silvia]
- spatial fragment retrieval cannot be done with byte ranges right now because current media formats and codecs don't allow it
- 09:19:32 [silvia]
- but it may be possible in future
- 09:19:45 [raphael]
- ... if there is a fragment, #xywh= ... then, no request issued, client might highlight a region if it has all the data
- 09:20:26 [raphael]
- Raphael: I will buzz Jack for the action 137
- 09:20:47 [raphael]
- Topic: 3. Test Cases
- 09:21:07 [raphael]
- ACTION-163?
- 09:21:07 [trackbot]
- ACTION-163 -- Raphaël Troncy to send a resolution on handling non-existing or illegal fragments to the mailinglist -- due 2010-05-19 -- OPEN
- 09:21:07 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/163
- 09:22:05 [raphael]
- close ACTION-163
- 09:22:05 [trackbot]
- ACTION-163 Send a resolution on handling non-existing or illegal fragments to the mailinglist closed
- 09:22:18 [raphael]
- Raphael: see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010May/0031.html
- 09:23:15 [raphael]
- Michael: no more work on corrib yet
- 09:23:43 [raphael]
- ... so I would still need one week to complete and give the ball to Erik
- 09:24:18 [raphael]
- Raphael: what is the plan exactly?
- 09:24:39 [raphael]
- ACTION-146?
- 09:24:39 [trackbot]
- ACTION-146 -- Jack Jansen to identify and add in corrib any missing test cases for temporal fragments -- due 2010-03-03 -- OPEN
- 09:24:39 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/146
- 09:25:47 [raphael]
- Michael: the question is really, can we really have an automated test suite ?
- 09:25:59 [raphael]
- ... if not, then corrib is of little use
- 09:27:41 [raphael]
- Raphael: my proposal would be to change the action 146 assigned to Jack to a thorough review of http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimension
- 09:28:04 [raphael]
- ... then, someone needs to add them into Corrib
- 09:28:20 [raphael]
- Erik: I miss what can be automatized also
- 09:28:22 [mhausenblas]
- http://ld2sd.deri.org/corrib/corrib.php?export=v1-mediafrag&format=rdf-xml
- 09:28:46 [mhausenblas]
- http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/test-suite/
- 09:30:51 [raphael]
- Erik: I should talk to my implementers to see if this can be of use
- 09:30:53 [silvia]
- zakim, unmute me
- 09:30:53 [Zakim]
- Silvia should no longer be muted
- 09:31:55 [raphael]
- ACTION: Erik to report to the group whether such an approach from RDFa test suite can be used for automatically testing the media fragment specification
- 09:31:55 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-164 - Report to the group whether such an approach from RDFa test suite can be used for automatically testing the media fragment specification [on Erik Mannens - due 2010-05-26].
- 09:34:20 [mhausenblas]
- http://ngrep.sourceforge.net/
- 09:34:35 [silvia]
- ngrep or tcpdump are good tools for monitoring connections
- 09:36:34 [raphael]
- Silvia: I think whatever plugin you have for the browser, testing if the plugins does the real thing can only be tested with one of these tools
- 09:37:30 [raphael]
- Erik: maybe we can make a summer project for this
- 09:38:25 [silvia]
- what you would require is a commandline tool that pulls in what is an expected HTTP exchange sequence from a media fragment request (which could come from corrib) and check with what actually goes over the wire
- 09:38:42 [silvia]
- those tools can help with monitoring what actually goes over the wire
- 09:39:10 [silvia]
- zakim, mute me
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- Silvia should now be muted
- 09:40:51 [silvia]
- zakim, unmute me
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- Silvia should no longer be muted
- 09:40:55 [raphael]
- Topic: 4. AOB
- 09:41:43 [raphael]
- Silvia: Let's discuss your email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010May/0034.html
- 09:44:48 [raphael]
- Raphael: I think as soon as a fragment is requested, we cannot have a 200 answer, so MUST be a 206
- 09:48:56 [raphael]
- ... I think if there is a #t= ... then a Range request should be issued, even if the fragment happens to be the entire resource
- 09:51:00 [mhausenblas]
- ok, re ACTION-147 - new people are added
- 09:51:01 [mhausenblas]
- see http://ld2sd.deri.org/corrib/sparql.php?query=SELECT+DISTINCT+%3Fs++FROM+%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2008%2FWebVideo%2FFragments%2FContributor%2F%3E+WHERE+{%0D%0A++%3Fs+%3Fp+%3Fo+.%0D%0A}%0D%0ALIMIT+10&output=htmltab&jsonp=&key=&show_inline=1
- 09:53:47 [raphael]
- You should put: http://identi.ca/conradparker owl:sameAs http://identi.ca/user/31499
- 09:55:16 [raphael]
- ... http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/Contributor/JackJansen owl:sameAs http://twitter.com/hackerjack60
- 09:56:29 [raphael]
- Controversial issue about #01 and #04 ... whether a range request should be send at all or not ?
- 09:56:44 [raphael]
- Raphael: I will mention this to Jack when he is reviewing the spec
- 09:57:54 [silvia]
- zakim, mute me
- 09:57:54 [Zakim]
- Silvia should now be muted
- 09:58:08 [silvia]
- zakim, unmute me
- 09:58:08 [Zakim]
- Silvia should no longer be muted
- 09:58:14 [raphael]
- Open Video Conference: http://www.openvideoconference.org/?l=en
- 09:58:34 [raphael]
- Raphael: who should be there? should the group lobby there for implementations ?
- 09:58:40 [raphael]
- ... I think this is the MOST important event!
- 09:59:00 [raphael]
- Silvia: I will there, likely, organize a workshop (FOAM?)
- 09:59:07 [silvia]
- FOMS
- 09:59:08 [raphael]
- ... I can send announcement when I have news
- 10:00:44 [silvia]
- I will organise a 2-day FOMS workshop before OVC and 1 day hackday after OVC on the Sunday
- 10:00:53 [raphael]
- Raphael: deadline is June 7th ... we can propose a lecture / talk
- 10:01:03 [erik]
- +1
- 10:01:30 [raphael]
- Silvia: we can have a f2f there ... talk will be for a general audience
- 10:01:33 [silvia]
- zakim, mute me
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- Silvia should now be muted
- 10:01:46 [silvia]
- zakim, unmute me
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- Silvia should no longer be muted
- 10:02:06 [silvia]
- zakim, mute me
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- Silvia should now be muted
- 10:02:47 [raphael]
- close ACTION-147
- 10:02:48 [trackbot]
- ACTION-147 Add all MF WG members to corrib closed
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- -mhausenblas
- 10:03:07 [silvia]
- bye
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- -raphael
- 10:03:10 [Zakim]
- -Erik
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- -Silvia
- 10:03:13 [raphael]
- [meeting adjourned]
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- IA_MFWG()5:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were mhausenblas, raphael, Silvia, Erik
- 10:04:07 [mhausenblas]
- happy birthday, erik !!
- 10:19:41 [raphael]
- ScribeOptions: -final -noEmbedDiagnostics
- 10:19:47 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/19-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
- 10:20:14 [raphael]
- Present+ Erik
- 10:20:16 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/19-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
- 10:20:38 [raphael]
- zakim, bye
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- Zakim has left #mediafrag
- 10:20:42 [raphael]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 10:20:42 [RRSAgent]
- I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/19-mediafrag-actions.rdf :
- 10:20:42 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Erik to report to the group whether such an approach from RDFa test suite can be used for automatically testing the media fragment specification [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/19-mediafrag-irc#T09-31-55