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14:57:13 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:57:13 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:57:13 Date: 13 May 2010
14:57:29 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has now started
14:57:35 +Eric_Carlson
14:58:07 +Gregory_Rosmaita
14:58:09 +John_Foliot
14:58:31 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010May/0109.html
14:58:37 Zakim, call Mike
14:58:37 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
14:58:38 +Mike
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14:59:21 zakim, call janina
14:59:21 ok, janina; the call is being made
14:59:23 +Janina
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14:59:40 Chair: Janina
14:59:54 zakim, drop janina
14:59:54 Janina is being disconnected
14:59:56 -Janina
14:59:59 zakim, call janina
14:59:59 ok, janina; the call is being made
15:00:01 +Janina
15:00:44 +Cooper
15:00:49 +Janina_Sajka
15:00:58 -Janina
15:01:27 Hi All. I can't dial in but I'll be following on irc.
15:02:43 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:43 On the phone I see Eric_Carlson, Gregory_Rosmaita, John_Foliot, Mike, Cooper, Janina_Sajka
15:03:10 Thanks.
15:03:25 Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
15:03:25 Chair: Janina_Sajka
15:03:25 agenda: this
15:03:25 agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
15:03:25 agenda+ Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
15:03:26 agenda+ Canvas, Media, & ARIA Subteam Updates
15:03:28 agenda+ CFC re WEBSRT http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010May/0090.html
15:03:30 agenda+ Display, Focus, Labels, & Semantics Bugs http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010May/0030.html
15:03:34 agenda+ Resolved & Rejected Bugs Review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010May/0086.html
15:03:36 agenda+ New Business
15:03:38 agenda+ next meetings, confirm date/time, choose scribe
15:03:40 agenda+ be done
15:03:44 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010May/0109.html
15:04:38 + +0154558aaaa
15:04:57 zakim, +01 is Sean_Hayes
15:04:57 +Sean_Hayes; got it
15:05:19 regrets: Laura_Carlson, Sylvia_Pfieffer, Denis_Boudreau, Steve_Faulkner, Kelly_Ford,Ben_Caldwell
15:06:08 scribe - JF
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15:06:36 greg: use colons instead of dashes
15:06:45 scribenick: JF
15:06:45 +[IPcaller]
15:06:47 scribe: JF
15:06:54 scribe: John_Foliot
15:06:57 zakim, IPcaller is Cynthia_Shelly
15:06:57 +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
15:06:58 Action items review
15:06:58 Sorry, couldn't find user - items
15:07:11 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
15:07:13 scribe: JF
15:07:16 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
15:07:53 Action 25 on Steve
15:07:53 Sorry, couldn't find user - 25
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15:08:06 Action: 25
15:08:06 Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
15:08:36 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/25
15:08:37 Authoring guidance document - Alt Techniaues
15:09:07 close action-25
15:09:07 ACTION-25 Post notice to a11y TF about http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/ and how to make comments closed
15:09:18 Action-28
15:09:23 on greg
15:09:41 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/28
15:09:59 Greg: decdied that adding this as an apendix will be distracting
15:10:07 will continue to work on this in the wiki
15:10:29 action-28 due 27 May
15:10:29 ACTION-28 - prepare text for SteveF's guidance document about future of data-mining using RDFPic methodology outlined in post to list due date now 27 May
15:10:37 decide to keep open - push the date to may 27
15:11:02 2 Actions open, all others in sub-groups
15:11:27 +??P22
15:11:29 Janina: Canvas appears still stuck, awaiting feedback from Apple
15:11:47 -Mike
15:11:49 zakim ??P22 is jon
15:11:55 zakim, ??P22 is jon
15:11:55 +jon; got it
15:12:01 still on track for deadline (June 3)
15:12:13 zakim, call Mike
15:12:13 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:12:15 +Mike
15:12:22 Windows and Linux seem ok, but don't know about Apple
15:12:25 http://www.w3.org/2010/05/10-html-a11y-minutes
15:12:33 -Mike
15:12:54 ERic: will talk to Maciej - who promised to get on it
15:13:12 Eric: suggests to remnid Maciej on the larger WG call
15:13:40 not heard anything from Chaals re: Image-map proposal
15:13:54 zakim, call Mike
15:13:54 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:13:56 +Mike
15:13:58 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Canvas
15:13:59 believe both can co-exist
15:14:21 ARIA group on track for June 24th
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15:14:46 scribenick: oedipus
15:14:47 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/products/2
15:14:48 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Accessibility_Requirements_of_Media
15:14:50 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/MultimediaAccessibility
15:15:12 JF: had good call yesterday -- needs assessment was the main topic - a11y requirements for media wiki document
15:15:53 JF: concern that not all user groups not all represented - JBrewer soliciting feedback/input from deafblind community; more feedback from DAISY on architectural structure
15:16:12 JF: please review media work - break down reqs to bullet and action items this week
15:16:35 JF: progress being made - Javascript API and TimeText Association - fine, but no active work until reqs doc completed
15:17:12 JF: other topic we need to discuss is WebSRT -- a lot of activity on list -- hixie did remove WebSRT from W3C version of spec; still in WHAT WG version
15:17:29 JF: still need to have discussion on what timestamp format or formats will be supported
15:17:30 +[Microsoft]
15:17:53 JF: will be monitoring listmail on topic - next week, where do we go from here - timed text or WebSRT or both
15:18:15 thanks greg
15:18:29 JS: please review requirements document -- thanks to Sean for compiling: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Accessibility_Requirements_of_Media
15:18:50 encourage all to review the Accessibility Requirements doc
15:19:07 JS: timeline - another week for reqs gathering, then compare with tech currently on table and identifying gaps and reach out to communities to ensure that we are reaching all target audiences
15:19:20 Janina: hypertext pf coordinations express great interest of this document
15:19:31 requesting a presentation of said in June
15:19:44 i/scribenick: JF/Janina: hypertext pf/
15:19:53 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
15:20:17 Discussion of new content (media items) in W3C Spec document
15:20:31 draft resolution of last week
15:21:04 however events have now made the CfC moot, as Ian removed that text from W3C draft
15:21:23 questions of "scope" for the HTML5 docu
15:21:31 time formats (Web SRT)
15:21:43 likely will split out to a seperate spec document
15:21:44 i/scribenick+ JF/Janina: hypertext pf/
15:21:46 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
15:22:15 suggestion to just drop Cfc? non objections
15:22:58 Michel has a number of bugs + suggestions on how to deal
15:23:08 i/scribe: JF/Janina: hypertext pf/
15:23:12 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010May/att-0030/display_focus_label_semantic.html Bug disposition proposals
15:23:12 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
15:24:26 MichaelC
15:24:46 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8652
15:24:58 Proposed to close bug
15:25:46 Janina: announced that we would return to editorial issues on a second pass
15:26:04 discussion of length and understandability of the current text
15:26:29 Cyns: expressing concern about how this will be received
15:27:03 Janina: we should get some successes under our belt before we take on editorial issuse
15:27:20 Cyns: we should make a new bug regarding the text
15:27:49 Greg: once we get guidance into the ALT document from Steve, then we can add or modify
15:28:23 we should be working on advancing STeve's docu, then work on ensuring that conflicting text is modified or removed from the HTML5 Draft
15:29:18 MichaelC on 8652, should we close it?
15:30:05 Addressed by Text Alternatives proposal
15:30:08 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8657
15:30:10 ACTION: Cynthia - monitor status of @alt in HTML5 spec; when SteveF's Alt Guidance is published, ensure that what is in SteveF's note supersedes or corrects HTML5 verbiage; propose changes to HTML5 based on SteveF's alt doc
15:30:10 Created ACTION-44 - - monitor status of @alt in HTML5 spec; when SteveF's Alt Guidance is published, ensure that what is in SteveF's note supersedes or corrects HTML5 verbiage; propose changes to HTML5 based on SteveF's alt doc [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2010-05-20].
15:30:29 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
15:30:43 related to media - problem with user-agents. If they support media format, and it doesn't load, then it does not present fall-back content
15:31:01 MichaelC: should be referred to media sub-group
15:31:31 Eric: agrees that this should go to Media sub-grou
15:31:50 Assign to: JF (no objections)
15:32:14 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8671
15:32:27 beleives has been resolve - should close?
15:32:35 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8673
15:33:09 Command element apepars to have different functions, might cause author issues
15:33:20 Cyns: has a work item in mapping task-force
15:33:36 elements are going to change role based on context
15:33:43 beleives that work will address this bug
15:33:57 assigned to Cyns, related to mapping sub-group
15:34:03 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8717
15:34:27 believe we can accept as Fixed and close this
15:35:02 relates to legacy behavior, so we should close
15:35:08 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8723
15:35:18 Image map un-specified
15:35:33 needs a proposal, but not urgent
15:35:43 will assign to Chaals with deadline
15:36:03 if nothing in, then close without prejeduce
15:36:13 RRSAgent, make minutes
15:36:13 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-html-a11y-minutes.html MikeSmith
15:36:42 MichaelC: this might be complex, we should likely give hime 4 weeks
15:37:09 Deadline of JUne 10, close after that if no proposal
15:37:17 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8738
15:37:42 do we want to live with the command api as it exists, or push for role-based support?
15:38:21 relates to access element
15:38:52 Greg: working on access element proposal by end of this week
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15:39:02 Cyns: sounds like it needs more investigation
15:39:07 look at access vs command
15:39:41 Cyns looking at command stuff this week - will coordinate with Greg
15:39:49 discuss off-line?
15:40:34 Cyns: believes they will be taling about cammand stuff in the mapping sub-group in the next week or 2
15:40:36 cyns, your previously assigned action item is http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/44
15:40:43 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8747
15:41:29 MichaelC - propose we close this one - suggests that RDFa can do the job
15:42:02 do we want this approach (RDFa) to be put into the spec?
15:42:13 -jon
15:42:14 not 100% accessibility issue
15:42:18 i/requesting a presentation of said in June/Scribe: JF/
15:42:36 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-html-a11y-minutes.html oedipus
15:43:05 Cyns: don't believe this is for a11y to worry about
15:43:07 http://dev.w3.org/html5/rdfa/
15:43:40 -> http://dev.w3.org/html5/rdfa/ Support for RDFa in HTML4 and HTML5
15:44:31 will wait for 2-day call for review of any action items discussed today
15:45:28 will ping Manu about 8747
15:45:36 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8750
15:45:53 unclear about the hidden attribute
15:46:06 is different from the CSS 'hiding' techniques
15:46:11 is a non-issue
15:46:23 -Cynthia_Shelly
15:46:27 will close
15:46:34 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8144
15:47:05 MichaelC we should likely 'untrack' it
15:47:20 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8554
15:47:24 +Cynthia_Shelly
15:47:36 progress element should be labelable with a label
15:47:50 can be done, we should untrack
15:48:27 http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=4530&to=4531
15:48:29 Greg: Ian said he would make meter and progress full form controls and move them into that section
15:48:44 Janina: we should follow that then
15:49:26 they are now albel-able
15:49:39 s/albel / label
15:50:12 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8622
15:51:03 if we believe that user-agent issues should be in spec, we need an owner ass there is not enough data in the bug
15:51:27 MichaelC: believe that this should be in spec, but this could go either way
15:51:32 q?
15:51:48 MikeSmith affirmed that change made to http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/ that