IRC log of dap on 2010-04-07

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13:32:32 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be DAP
13:32:33 [trackbot]: Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
13:32:33 [trackbot]: Date: 07 April 2010
13:32:33 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 28 minutes
13:32:44 [fjh]: Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:32:53 [fjh]: Present: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:33:15 [fjh]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Apr/0007.html
13:33:57 [fjh]: Regrets: Dominique_Hazaël-Massieux, Ilkka_Oksanen, Thomas_Roessler
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13:53:34 [Zakim]: UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
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13:59:24 [fjh]: zakim, [IPcaller] is me
13:59:24 [Zakim]: +fjh; got it
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14:00:20 [marengo]: Present+ Marco_Marengo
14:00:22 [fjh]: zakim, aabb is alissa
14:00:22 [Zakim]: +alissa; got it
14:00:33 [alissa]: Present+ Alissa_Cooper
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14:00:41 [Kangchan]: Present+ Kangchan_Lee(IRC only)
14:00:55 [fjh]: zakim, who is here?
14:00:55 [Zakim]: On the phone I see +39.011.228.aaaa, fjh, alissa
14:00:59 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Claes, alissa, marengo, darobin, Kangchan, arve, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Marcos, tlr, maxf, ingmar, ilkka, shepazu, trackbot, dom
14:01:09 [marengo]: Zaki, aaaa is me
14:01:16 [marengo]: Zakim, aaaa is me
14:01:16 [Zakim]: +marengo; got it
14:01:20 [Zakim]: + +1.425.214.aacc
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14:01:31 [Dzung_Tran]: Present+ Dzung_Tran
14:01:33 [Zakim]: +??P25
14:01:40 [darobin]: Zakim, ??P25 is me
14:01:41 [Zakim]: +darobin; got it
14:01:45 [Zakim]: +Claes
14:01:46 [darobin]: Present+ Robin_Berjon
14:01:53 [marengo]: Zakim, mute me
14:01:55 [Zakim]: marengo should now be muted
14:02:09 [fjh]: zakim, who is here?
14:02:09 [Zakim]: On the phone I see marengo (muted), fjh, alissa, +1.425.214.aacc, darobin, Claes
14:02:13 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Dzung_Tran, paddy, drogersuk, Claes, alissa, marengo, darobin, Kangchan, arve, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Marcos, tlr, maxf, ingmar, ilkka, shepazu, trackbot, dom
14:02:24 [Zakim]: + +0207868aadd
14:02:30 [drogersuk]: Present+ David_Rogers
14:02:35 [Zakim]: +??P29
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14:02:40 [Claes]: Present+ Claes_Nilsson
14:02:41 [fjh]: zakim, aacc is bryan
14:02:42 [Zakim]: +bryan; got it
14:02:46 [LauraA]: Present+ LauraA
14:02:47 [paddy]: present+ Paddy_Byers
14:02:49 [fjh]: zakim, who is here?
14:02:49 [Zakim]: On the phone I see marengo (muted), fjh, alissa, bryan, darobin, Claes, +0207868aadd, ??P29
14:02:53 [drogersuk]: Zakim, 0207868aadd is me
14:02:54 [Zakim]: On IRC I see LauraA, Dzung_Tran, paddy, drogersuk, Claes, alissa, marengo, darobin, Kangchan, arve, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Marcos, tlr, maxf, ingmar, ilkka, shepazu, trackbot, dom
14:02:57 [Zakim]: sorry, drogersuk, I do not recognize a party named '0207868aadd'
14:03:10 [fjh]: zakim, aadd is drogersuk
14:03:10 [Zakim]: +drogersuk; got it
14:03:14 [fjh]: zakim, who is here?
14:03:14 [Zakim]: On the phone I see marengo (muted), fjh, alissa, bryan, darobin (muted), Claes, drogersuk, ??P29
14:03:17 [Zakim]: On IRC I see LauraA, Dzung_Tran, paddy, drogersuk, Claes, alissa, marengo, darobin, Kangchan, arve, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Marcos, tlr, maxf, ingmar, ilkka, shepazu, trackbot, dom
14:03:28 [fjh]: Present+ John_Morris
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14:03:35 [darobin]: Zakim, alissa holds john_morris
14:03:35 [Zakim]: +john_morris; got it
14:03:43 [paddy]: I'll scribe
14:03:51 [darobin]: thanks paddy!
14:03:59 [Zakim]: +LauraA
14:04:05 [jmorris]: Present+ John_Morris
14:04:11 [fjh]: zakim, who is here?
14:04:11 [Zakim]: On the phone I see marengo (muted), fjh, alissa, bryan, darobin, Claes, drogersuk, ??P29, LauraA
14:04:13 [Zakim]: alissa has john_morris
14:04:14 [Zakim]: On IRC I see jmorris, LauraA, Dzung_Tran, paddy, drogersuk, Claes, alissa, marengo, darobin, Kangchan, arve, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Marcos, tlr, maxf, ingmar, ilkka, shepazu,
14:04:17 [Zakim]: ... trackbot, dom
14:04:41 [Zakim]: + +0472369aaee
14:04:45 [Zakim]: +Ingmar_Kliche
14:04:52 [maxf]: zakim, aaee is me
14:04:52 [Zakim]: +maxf; got it
14:04:56 [maxf]: zakim, mute me
14:04:56 [Zakim]: maxf should now be muted
14:05:02 [Zakim]: +richt
14:05:03 [paddy]: zakim, ??P29 is paddy
14:05:03 [Zakim]: +paddy; got it
14:05:29 [paddy]: scribenick: paddy
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14:05:37 [fjh]: Topic: Administrative
14:05:56 [fjh]: Updated Capture API draft published, 1 April 2010
14:06:04 [fjh]: http://www.w3.org/News/2010#entry-8759
14:06:06 [aguillou]: Present+ Aurelien_Guillou
14:06:11 [fjh]: FPWD of File API: Writer published, 6 April 2010
14:06:13 [Zakim]: +richt.a
14:06:19 [fjh]: http://www.w3.org/News/2010#entry-8762
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14:06:24 [fjh]: Topic: Minutes
14:06:26 [paddy]: fjh: minutes are out: any changes wanted?
14:06:31 [richt]: Present+ Richard_Tibbett
14:06:36 [fjh]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Mar/att-0242/minutes-2010-03-31.html
14:06:43 [Zakim]: + +1.408.216.aaff
14:06:45 [paddy]: RESOLUTION: minutes of 31 March approved
14:06:55 [fjh]: Topic: Policy
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14:07:05 [ingmar]: Present+ Ingmar_Kliche
14:07:08 [fjh]: ACTION-153
14:07:15 [fjh]: ACTION-153?
14:07:15 [trackbot]: ACTION-153 -- Alissa Cooper to refine privacy requirements (with John) -- due 2010-04-07 -- OPEN
14:07:15 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/153
14:07:15 [paddy]: fjh: Had actions to review requirements - Alissa, do you have anything to say?
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14:07:29 [paddy]: alissa: I tried to pare down to just talking about the requirements on APIs
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14:07:36 [Suresh]: Present+ Suresh_Chitturi
14:07:36 [fjh]: comments from Frederick at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2010Apr/0011.html
14:07:49 [paddy]: .. we decided to separate from policy stuff and best practices for app developers
14:07:52 [wonsuk]: Present+ Wonsuk_Lee
14:07:54 [fjh]: updated editors draft with this revision, see http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/privacy-reqs/
14:07:58 [paddy]: .. decided just to adjust text without changing too much
14:08:14 [fjh]: Previous versions are visible in the CVS history
14:08:20 [paddy]: .. did some other editorial changes: tried to fill in big table with other elements of privacy
14:08:22 [fjh]: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2009/dap/privacy-reqs/Overview.html
14:08:45 [paddy]: .. I just don't think that the complete picture of what gets addressed where is obvious
14:09:16 [paddy]: jmorris: I thinkit would be helpful to have a couple of diagrams on architecture as discussed in Prague
14:09:35 [paddy]: fjh: alissa,, were you proposing additional text to address that?
14:09:44 [Zakim]: +wonsuk
14:09:50 [paddy]: .. just to make sure new readers understand what we are trying to do
14:09:57 [darobin]: -> some unfinished noodling http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/docs/privacy-license.html
14:10:00 [paddy]: .. we do need to have a bit more to set out scope, context
14:10:16 [paddy]: jmorris: do we do it in this document? My personal vote is yes
14:10:27 [paddy]: fjh: yes, don't want to proliferate documents unnecessarily
14:10:50 [paddy]: darobin: I have an action to look at separate solutions, have drafted some text in a separate document
14:11:07 [fjh]: Robin suggests using material from background section
14:11:11 [paddy]: ... are you looking for something like what's in the background section of that document?
14:11:21 [fjh]: http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/docs/privacy-license.html#background
14:11:32 [paddy]: alissa: yes, I think if something like this doc exists, then the API requirements doc can refer to it
14:12:03 [paddy]: jmorris: I don't think we need explanation in every doc; but should be somewhere publically visible when we first publish
14:12:13 [paddy]: .. alissa and I can look at it, but it's a good start
14:12:35 [fjh]: I suggest we copy background section from Robin's draft into requirements document
14:12:36 [paddy]: darobin: doc was just a brain dump, so steal the text and put in the requirements doc
14:13:00 [paddy]: fjh: alissa, jmorris: do you wish to take on editorial control?
14:13:01 [darobin]: +1 to either or both alissa and jmorris to have editorial access
14:13:12 [paddy]: jmorris: I think it should be alissa
14:13:43 [fjh]: action: fjh to add background section into requirements with some edits
14:13:43 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-157 - Add background section into requirements with some edits [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2010-04-14].
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14:13:59 [paddy]: darobin: review the text before copying it :)
14:14:09 [paddy]: .. dom will set up access for editing
14:14:30 [paddy]: fjh: took out abuse cases; some of this might be in the requirements doc
14:14:41 [paddy]: .. do you want to review how it relates to your part?
14:14:53 [richt]: q+
14:14:54 [paddy]: alissa: I can review but also welcome suggestions from the list
14:15:17 [paddy]: fjh: is there more to be said about this?
14:15:36 [richt]: q+ to talk about latest addition to Contacts API: http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/contacts/Overview.html#design-considerations
14:15:38 [paddy]: ... next step is to decide what we do in the various API docs
14:15:40 [Zakim]: + +03497421aagg
14:15:49 [paddy]: .. do we subsume these requirements into the individual API docs?
14:15:59 [paddy]: .. should it be up to the document owners?
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14:16:11 [darobin]: Zakim, aagg is danielcoloma
14:16:11 [Zakim]: +danielcoloma; got it
14:16:17 [paddy]: alissa: do we want the privacy issues to be explicit requirements on the APIs?
14:16:19 [danielcoloma]: Present+ DanielColoma
14:16:39 [fjh]: I believe api docs should each list the privacy items and how they are addressed
14:16:44 [paddy]: ... I think there should be, but others may disagree
14:16:47 [darobin]: +1
14:16:54 [paddy]: fjh: agree it should be explicit as requirements
14:17:09 [paddy]: .. then we can determine the degree to which each API satisfies those requirements
14:17:24 [paddy]: .. also we need a caveat about privacy requirements changing
14:17:38 [paddy]: bryan: I agree should indicate the scope of the requirements in the API docs
14:17:55 [paddy]: .. but there should be a central place where the concepts, requirements are discussed in general terms
14:18:00 [darobin]: q?
14:18:04 [fjh]: each api should indicate how it supports or does not support, items in API table
14:18:06 [darobin]: ack richt
14:18:06 [Zakim]: richt, you wanted to talk about latest addition to Contacts API: http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/contacts/Overview.html#design-considerations
14:18:10 [paddy]: richt: I added a section to contacts API to try out this idea
14:18:27 [paddy]: .. to discuss issues relating to privacy and also other design considerations relating to the API
14:18:36 [paddy]: .. added section "privacy by design"
14:18:36 [fjh]: http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/contacts/Overview.html#privacy-by-design
14:19:00 [paddy]: .. but done in parallel to what has been happening in the privacy requirements document
14:19:22 [paddy]: richt: .. it would be great to get feedback, this is just embryonic at this stage
14:19:36 [fjh]: maybe we should focus on contacts first, then revise other docs with similar agreed model
14:19:51 [paddy]: ... quite useful to have as design considerations explicitly tailored to the requirements/issues of each API
14:20:03 [paddy]: .. every API has different issues
14:20:17 [fjh]: ok, so start is to get the facts for each API, then worry about formatting
14:20:27 [darobin]: +1
14:20:42 [paddy]: fjh: get the facts down in each doc first, then worry about formatting
14:21:00 [paddy]: ... if each API doc owner can create a privacy section, this will be a good starting point
14:21:09 [paddy]: .. thanks to richt for this input
14:21:35 [paddy]: .. next step for privacy will be to go through each API
14:21:39 [paddy]: .. add background section
14:21:44 [paddy]: ... review the big table
14:21:51 [paddy]: ... decide what needs to be added in
14:22:22 [paddy]: .. alissa, jmorris, did you have concerns about the text? were you going to do something about that?
14:23:00 [paddy]: .. what is the size of the concern, and when will we have an update?
14:23:12 [paddy]: jmorris: concerns were mostly minor
14:23:48 [paddy]: ... there were multiple contributors, and existing text is raising questions/issues rather than being presented logically
14:24:01 [paddy]: alissa: jmorris should forward proposed changes to list
14:24:23 [paddy]: fjh: trying to figure out what needs to happen before we can make a public draft
14:24:38 [paddy]: jmorris: can send input to list in next few days
14:24:48 [paddy]: fjh: licensing stuff as well?
14:24:56 [fjh]: action: jmorris to send proposed changes to list re privacy requirements
14:24:57 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-158 - Send proposed changes to list re privacy requirements [on John Morris - due 2010-04-14].
14:24:58 [paddy]: alissa: need more time for that part
14:25:06 [paddy]: fjh: achievable this month?
14:25:06 [Zakim]: -LauraA
14:25:16 [paddy]: alissa: probably, but need another week
14:25:28 [Zakim]: +LauraA
14:25:33 [paddy]: fjh: more comments on that requirements doc?
14:25:51 [fjh]: Topic: Policy Framework
14:25:56 [paddy]: fjh: Laura, you did some edits on the policy framework - do you want to talk to what you did?
14:26:01 [fjh]: ACTION-152?
14:26:01 [trackbot]: ACTION-152 -- Laura Arribas to edit policy framework, reviewing BONDI material and editorial update -- due 2010-04-07 -- OPEN
14:26:01 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/152
14:26:03 [paddy]: laura: yes
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14:26:23 [paddy]: .. I continued what drogers started, based on input from BONDI
14:26:38 [Zakim]: -wonsuk
14:26:40 [paddy]: .. finished passing BONDI appendices document
14:26:42 [fjh]: http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy/
14:26:51 [paddy]: ... focussing now on architecture based on BONDi A&S
14:27:01 [paddy]: .. then will look at how to merge the Nokia submission
14:27:15 [Zakim]: +wonsuk
14:27:17 [paddy]: ... the current draft now has a formal model
14:27:35 [paddy]: .. but not yet ready for review, so people should wait until it is ready
14:27:37 [maoteo]: Present+ Maria_Oteo
14:27:43 [paddy]: ... will email the list when ready for review
14:28:03 [fjh]: ISSUE-79?
14:28:03 [trackbot]: ISSUE-79 -- Fingerprinting privacy issue related to sysinfo, need for feedback on privacy risk -- OPEN
14:28:03 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/79
14:28:11 [paddy]: fjh: can we make progress on other policy issues?
14:28:29 [paddy]: ... do we have a solution to this issue? I'm not sure what we want to do
14:28:39 [paddy]: ... is anyone thinking about this?
14:28:54 [paddy]: ... I'm going to suggest that we focus on the functionality of sysinfo
14:29:01 [paddy]: ... maxf - are you the editor?
14:29:06 [maxf]: zakim, unmute me
14:29:06 [Zakim]: maxf should no longer be muted
14:29:24 [fjh]: perhaps this is a minimization issue
14:29:27 [paddy]: jmorris: I think it is right to address via minimisation
14:29:46 [paddy]: fjh: then we do have a way to address it, so we have to talk about minimisation
14:30:00 [fjh]: action: maxf note minimization in sysinfo to address ISSUE-79
14:30:00 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-159 - Note minimization in sysinfo to address ISSUE-79 [on Max Froumentin - due 2010-04-14].
14:30:06 [maxf]: I'll try again
14:30:12 [maxf]: and hang up
14:30:22 [Zakim]: -maxf
14:30:22 [fjh]: zakim, who is here?
14:30:23 [Zakim]: On the phone I see marengo (muted), fjh, alissa, bryan, darobin, Claes, drogersuk, paddy, Ingmar_Kliche, richt, richt.a, +1.408.216.aaff, danielcoloma (muted), LauraA, wonsuk
14:30:28 [Zakim]: alissa has john_morris
14:30:30 [Zakim]: On IRC I see maoteo, danielcoloma, hendry, wonsuk, Suresh, richt, aguillou, jmorris, LauraA, Dzung_Tran, paddy, drogersuk, Claes, alissa, marengo, darobin, Kangchan, arve, Zakim,
14:30:33 [Zakim]: ... RRSAgent, fjh, Marcos, tlr, maxf, ingmar, ilkka, shepazu, trackbot, dom
14:30:44 [paddy]: darobin: one thing that worries me is that the document is mature and nearly ready for LC
14:30:46 [maxf]: to answer the question, I am the editor and I've not thought about policy much
14:30:52 [paddy]: .. so we need to address this issue before LC
14:31:02 [paddy]: .. so we don't carry the issue into LC
14:31:21 [paddy]: .. perhaps the resolution is simple, but it still needs to be written up
14:31:46 [paddy]: fjh: we need to say how it is addressed, eg the API design permits incomplete responses
14:32:09 [paddy]: darobin: currently in the API, it is an implementation decision as to what information is returned
14:32:12 [fjh]: need note to warn implementations about need for minimization
14:32:20 [fjh]: zakim, who is here?
14:32:20 [Zakim]: On the phone I see marengo (muted), fjh, alissa, bryan, darobin, Claes, drogersuk, paddy, Ingmar_Kliche, richt, richt.a, +1.408.216.aaff, danielcoloma (muted), LauraA, wonsuk
14:32:23 [Zakim]: alissa has john_morris
14:32:24 [Zakim]: On IRC I see maoteo, danielcoloma, hendry, wonsuk, Suresh, richt, aguillou, jmorris, LauraA, Dzung_Tran, paddy, drogersuk, Claes, alissa, marengo, darobin, Kangchan, arve, Zakim,
14:32:24 [paddy]: fjh: so we have an implementation guideline
14:32:26 [Zakim]: ... RRSAgent, fjh, Marcos, tlr, maxf, ingmar, ilkka, shepazu, trackbot, dom
14:32:27 [Zakim]: +maxf
14:33:16 [darobin]: [I think that adding concerns of fingerprinting and minimisation to http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/#privacy-considerations-for-implementors might be enough]
14:33:24 [paddy]: fjh: need a paragraph in the doc saying the minimisation is important, and implementations may make minimised responses
14:33:34 [paddy]: .. not necessarily controlled via policy
14:33:52 [paddy]: ... darobin says address it before LC
14:33:55 [paddy]: maxf: ok
14:34:00 [fjh]: ISSUE-38?
14:34:00 [trackbot]: ISSUE-38 -- Use cases and threat model for security requirements -- OPEN
14:34:00 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/38
14:34:02 [maxf]: zakim, mute me
14:34:02 [Zakim]: maxf should now be muted
14:34:15 [paddy]: fjh: other issue is about use cases and threat model
14:34:29 [paddy]: ... drogers did something, is there more we need to do?
14:34:49 [paddy]: drogers: had to take a week off so unable to progress as intended
14:35:11 [fjh]: david notes that we need linkages from threats to requirements
14:35:12 [paddy]: ... but have agreed to put a placeholder in the policy document so policy requirements are traceable back to threats
14:35:24 [paddy]: fjh: will you do a proposal for that?
14:35:34 [paddy]: drogers: yes, I will be able to progress soon
14:35:50 [paddy]: ... already captured in existing action
14:35:56 [fjh]: issue-37?
14:35:56 [trackbot]: ISSUE-37 -- Domain spoofing and trust in the network layer -- OPEN
14:35:56 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/37
14:36:02 [paddy]: fjh: another issue - out of scope?
14:36:13 [paddy]: ... network layer, different layers of protocol stack
14:36:27 [paddy]: ... and threats arising from network-layer attacks
14:36:31 [paddy]: ... is this in scope?
14:36:44 [paddy]: drigers: yes, eg 3G vs Wifi
14:36:53 [fjh]: s/drigers/drogers/
14:37:05 [fjh]: david notes he will capture in threats, then we can discuss
14:37:09 [paddy]: ... need to capture in threats, and important consideration
14:37:20 [paddy]: .. but decision will be later as to whether or not in scope
14:37:26 [fjh]: ISSUE-17?
14:37:26 [trackbot]: ISSUE-17 -- Summarize security issues and related requirements for file API -- OPEN
14:37:26 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/17
14:37:51 [paddy]: fjh: issue 17 - should deal with file API - probably need to work on this
14:38:00 [paddy]: ... but can't remember the status
14:38:07 [paddy]: ... any comment?
14:38:34 [paddy]: Topic: APIs
14:38:48 [paddy]: darobin: hasn't been a whole lot of progress in last week
14:39:04 [paddy]: ... one issue: rename "capture" to "media capture"
14:39:18 [paddy]: RESOLUTION: change "capture" to "media capture"
14:39:29 [fjh]: but no change to shortname
14:39:33 [paddy]: darobin: we published capture and file writer
14:39:53 [paddy]: ... hopefully getting some feedback
14:40:08 [paddy]: ... richt, anything new on contacts you want to bring up?
14:40:27 [paddy]: richt: only really did the privacy section
14:40:35 [paddy]: ... not many other changes
14:40:46 [paddy]: ... similarly calendar is progressing, but slowly
14:41:00 [paddy]: darobin: will update the docs based on what we agreed today?
14:41:02 [paddy]: richt: sure
14:41:09 [maxf]: zakim, unmute me
14:41:09 [Zakim]: maxf should no longer be muted
14:41:20 [paddy]: darobin: maxf indicated that changes agreed at f2f in messaging are addressed
14:41:28 [paddy]: ... is that true?
14:41:48 [paddy]: maxf: yes, did first part of changes but not much time in last couple of weeks
14:41:56 [paddy]: ... committed some changes this morning
14:42:10 [paddy]: ... so should now be synchronised with what was agreed at f2f
14:42:29 [paddy]: darobin: doc seems to be broken, some styling isn't working
14:42:42 [richt]: FYI, messaging URL: http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/messaging/
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14:42:56 [paddy]: ... also we agreed removing section 7 as it relates more to application launcher
14:43:16 [paddy]: maxf: I should have checked, that wasn't implemented in draft
14:43:28 [paddy]: darobin: would this then be ready for publication next week?
14:43:31 [paddy]: maxf: yes
14:43:54 [paddy]: darobin: as soon as checks are completed, send an email and we will issue CfC
14:44:19 [paddy]: ... lets look at sysinfo
14:44:28 [paddy]: maxf: did changes discussed at f2f
14:44:56 [paddy]: ... there are 2 or 3 things still to do, but should be really quick to complete it
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14:45:23 [paddy]: ... then will publish a new draft for the group
14:45:36 [paddy]: .. since at the f2f we didn't create a definitive list of issues
14:45:52 [paddy]: darobin: if can focus on getting to LC it would be great
14:46:01 [maxf]: zakim, mute me
14:46:01 [Zakim]: maxf should now be muted
14:46:08 [paddy]: ... looking at other drafts - anything else we haven't covered?
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14:46:27 [fjh]: q+
14:46:31 [paddy]: .. if there's nothing else in terms of progress on APIs, suggest move to AOB
14:46:40 [paddy]: Topic: AOB
14:46:53 [paddy]: fjh: edits to ReSpec - will this break our docs?
14:47:07 [fjh]: q-
14:47:14 [paddy]: darobin: this should not break anything, but report any problems you see
14:47:38 [paddy]: ... there are at least 4 or 5 other groups using ReSpec but these have added nice new features
14:47:46 [richt]: q+ check on ACTION-120 status - http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/120
14:47:49 [paddy]: ... anything else?
14:47:55 [darobin]: ACTION-120?
14:47:55 [trackbot]: ACTION-120 -- Robin Berjon to check with Geolocation WG re choice of object literals vs positional parameters in geo API -- due 2010-03-24 -- OPEN
14:47:55 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/120
14:47:59 [paddy]: richt: wanted to focus on action 120
14:48:15 [paddy]: ... related to style of these APIs - does this have significant impact on publication?
14:48:36 [paddy]: darobin: will do it now
14:49:10 [paddy]: .. hope we don't get bogged down in long discussion on API styles
14:49:21 [Zakim]: -bryan
14:49:21 [paddy]: ... nothing more to discuss
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14:49:44 [fjh]: rrsagent, generate minutes
14:49:44 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/07-dap-minutes.html fjh
14:49:45 [Zakim]: UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
14:49:47 [Zakim]: Attendees were +39.011.228.aaaa, fjh, +1.202.637.aabb, marengo, +1.425.214.aacc, darobin, Claes, +0207868aadd, bryan, drogersuk, john_morris, LauraA, +0472369aaee, Ingmar_Kliche,
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14:52:24 [fjh]: s/.. I continued/lauraA: I continued/
14:52:31 [fjh]: rrsagent, generate minutes
14:52:31 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/07-dap-minutes.html fjh
14:53:44 [fjh]: s/... focussing/LauraA: focussing/
14:53:59 [fjh]: rrsagent, generate minutes
14:53:59 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/07-dap-minutes.html fjh
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