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<davidb> hi andi
<davidb> i'm having trouble passcoding in
okay - I haven't tried yet
<scribe> scribe: Andi
davidb?
Is this an issue for any API? Apple?
<scribe> ACTION: Andi to contact Apple, reassign 7066 to Andi for now [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/12-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
SF: not a lot more has been done. Have filed a few bugs
<Stevef> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AlVP5_A996c5dG9RSE9GMy1JaVlBQ2dIWDliczJHckE&hl=en_GB
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AlVP5_A996c5dG9RSE9GMy1JaVlBQ2dIWDliczJHckE&hl=en_GB
SF: will we be able to work out categorization that will be acceptable?
CS: impression from TPAC is that
we will
... made a report to larger group about where we were - no
strong objections
... some may have been taking wait and see attitude
SF: some feel you should be able
to turn semantic roles into controls, some disagree
... not a clear categorization which makes it difficult to
argue
CS: that's what this exercise is
about
... think we got through the first pass - maybe we should look
at the types of categories/groupings we came up with
... might be able to build a taxonomy which would make them
easier to argue
... line 3, hyperlink - why did we pick this particular
subset
... are they "commands"?
... if all the things that are commands can replace each other,
that seems clear
SF: example of checkbox - if nothing else can have checked/unchecked state, seems to preclude a checkbox being anything else
SF adds Properties column
CS: anchor - special - in absence of ARIA, actually sends MSAA click event
scribe notes that discussion is being recorded in the spreadsheet
CS: divisions we have seem "pragmatic" but not "pure" which may be an issue
SF: examples would help
... we need more help to get this done
<scribe> ACTION: CS and SF to set up an hour to discuss offline [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/12-aapi-minutes.html#action02]
SF: go through and pick off the ones we think we could get agreement on and submit the bugs
agreed on Friday at 9 PT
add note before role mapping table
disagreement between browser vendors on how aria-owns should be implemented
DB: goes against the idea of aria-owns. Purpose was to define a relationship that is NOT in the tree - for things that only have visual relationships.
CS: on desktop, containment relationships, buttons in dialog - what is the extra relationship?
DB: some of newer APIs have notion of relation. At abstract level, aria-owns allows you to define relations between one accessible object and another regardless of where they are in the accessible tree. Emerged from those who are aware of these APIs as a way to define relationships that are not apparent in the DOM.
CS: IE doesn't change the DOM, just the MSAA tree.
DB: if request children, pass back all children and the ones defined by aria-owns?
CS: think so.
DB: need to research what each browser is doing, develop some test cases, and determine how big this issue is.
IE changes the accessible tree based on ARIA-OWNS.
FF and Apple disagree.
Probably have diverging implementations - need to research what each browser is
doing, develop some test cases, and determine how big this issue is
Cynthia reviewed the table but don't think it's complete
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_actions
CS: got some feedback - need to see if relevant and send to Andi
CS: got feedback from IE - need to send to Andi
DB: doesn't think there is a role for heading
CS: may have been thinking of table headers
<davidb> Andi: what did we decide about for when js is turned off? map only the landmarks?
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