See also: IRC log
http://www.w3.org/2009/12/07-mw4d-minutes.html
approved
http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/NOTE-mw4d-roadmap-20091208/
http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/docs/mw4d-nonnorm.html
republished as dec 8 with pdf version
http://www.w3.org/2009/12/mw4d-pressrelease
http://www.w3.org/TR/mw4d-roadmap/
renjish: extension ?
steph: yes the group has been extended till of
february
... current charter til the end of feb and then new charter for another 12
months
http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/charter2
ken: ok pretty good
you did a great great job
arun: 2 things missing
how do we link with the goals of the Web Foundation
what is the concrete outcome we are expecting
<nicolas> hi all, nicolas here, will follow via IRC
hi nicolas
Renjish: add value to what exists already
... what is our goal exactly
steph: objectives not a repository but a landscaoe analysis
renjish: should be clarified
we should mention it somethwere
avoid discussion that there is nothing new
differencing information from insight
ken: we should clarify exactly how we differ from others
should be clear how we differentiate
ken: analysis of the landscape and decide how to measure them
<kiwanja> http://www.kiwanja.net/blog/2009/11/our-social-mobile-line-in-the-sand/
few people answering the poll
this would open the domain
not sure you would get cooperation from others
betty: agreed
<betty> How to grow & maintain community of MW4D application developers & other actors. Most of them may not join the MW4D group. How to encourage them to share their knowledge. Ken is very good at it :) But developers in developing countries tend not to write documentation. If they write, they usually write in their mother tongues, which are mostly not well-known la
<kiwanja> (sorry, didn't add myself to the queue!)
<kiwanja> :P
betty: issue people are not joining
<kiwanja> not everyone joins MW4D group, so we need to bring others in somehow
<kiwanja> not all mobile/development people are good at sharing and explaining their work
<kiwanja> (both via betty)
<kiwanja> i think we need to figure out how me motivate people to engage - what's in it for them? etc
<kiwanja> may also need to engage users, rather than just developers/development 'experts'
<kiwanja> (via steph)
ken: motivation is key
not that much group which are successfull
<nicolas> might be also in the way we develop these apps (co-design, co-creation)
even mobileactive, lots of follower few contributors
no real successful community
<kiwanja> www.shareideas.org
ken: very few people are publicly meeting
... nobody is supporting it
so it collapses
only technical community are active
<kiwanja> http://frontlinesms.ning.com/
this is where your go for support
or getting info
ken: mobile community
how active it is is the point
building a community around tools better than around mobile
renjish: a discussion forum might be better
maybe people woulod be more active
having more than 10 people to contribute
is a challenge
<kiwanja> the best forums put out controversial subjects which then encourages people to argue their point. general discussions have little motivation for many people...
good to have a better involvment of the people on the mailig-list
ken: agreed
renjish: critical mass needed to create value to the discussion
ken: look at others how they work
... you have to be provocative
renjish: coming to the community with discussions
not being informative only
lively debate on the phone
<betty> Motivation to keep a community alive: provide specific technical supports, be provocative or controversial.
<nicolas2> extend also to non-technical topics? business model? scaling up strategy?
<betty> Jan 4 will be OK.
<Renjish> ok
January 4
<ArunKumar> Fine with me
<nicolas2> ok
<betty> Merry Xmas, Happy New Year, Happy Holiday :)
<ArunKumar> New Year and Merry Christmas to all !
<ArunKumar> bye
<Renjish> wishing all a very happy xmas and new year 2010
<Renjish> bye
<betty> bye
Nicolas: feel free to send a mail to the list
with some ideas along the lines you mentionned
<nicolas2> ok
(buseiness model, scaling up)
thks
we could discuss it during next conf
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