20:50:07 RRSAgent has joined #au 20:50:07 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/12/14-au-irc 20:50:14 Zakim, this will be AUWG 20:50:14 ok, Jan; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start 50 minutes ago 20:50:28 Meeting: WAI AU 20:50:49 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009OctDec/0055.html 20:50:53 Chair: Jan Richards 20:50:58 Regrets: Jutta T. 20:58:24 jeanne has joined #au 21:00:33 WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started 21:00:42 +Jeanne 21:01:33 zakim, code? 21:01:33 the conference code is 2894 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Jan 21:01:51 +[IPcaller] 21:02:17 zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan 21:02:17 +Jan; got it 21:04:24 +Greg_Pisocky 21:05:10 Greg has joined #au 21:07:01 +SueAnn 21:08:42 Sueann has joined #au 21:09:49 + +1.410.723.aaaa 21:10:48 Scribe: SueAnn 21:11:01 Topic: 1- Organizing reviews 21:11:09 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009OctDec/0055.html 21:12:09 GP: Thinks Adobe comments can be delivered by Dec 21 21:12:48 SN: More IBM comments coming - will be posting by tomorrow 21:13:34 TB: No comments so far 21:14:08 JR: Needs to follow up on comments from around here + Reed from Microsoft says he has sonme 21:15:01 Topic: 2- Drawing issue for A.3.1.5 Keyboard 21:16:10 http://www.w3.org/2009/12/07-au-minutes.html#ActionSummary 21:16:12 GP: Thought this was close, 21:16:18 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009OctDec/0050.html 21:16:19 thought this was closed 21:16:46 GP will run the language by Adobe one more time 21:18:17 Jan requested everyone review A.3.1.5 Keyboard language, Message 50 21:19:34 Topic: 3- WAI-PF's (unoffical) comments 21:20:02 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009OctDec/0058.html 21:21:06 Applicability Notes - "image label" should be text alternative - 21:21:45 Action JR: Change: "image label" to "text alternative" 21:21:45 Created ACTION-212 - Change: "image label" to "text alternative" [on Jan Richards - due 2009-12-21]. 21:21:46 - +1.410.723.aaaa 21:25:41 A.3.1.2 - JR has a recommendation, but defer for a while 21:26:40 Action JR: Change A.3.1.3 "No Keyboard Traps" 21:26:40 Created ACTION-213 - Change A.3.1.3 "No Keyboard Traps" [on Jan Richards - due 2009-12-21]. 21:27:27 http://jan.atrc.utoronto.ca/public/atag/MASTER-20091130.html 21:28:25 http://jan.atrc.utoronto.ca/public/atag/MASTER-20091130.html#sc_a315 21:31:04 Jan reviewed UAWG 2 working to see if there was something there that would model what's needed for key keyboard shortcuts. 21:34:03 Jean recommends the UAAG 2.0 working 4.1.8 Important Command Functions: Important command functions (e.g. 21:34:03 related to navigation, display, content, information management, etc.) 21:34:03 are available using a single or sequence of keystrokes or key 21:34:03 combinations. (Level AA) 21:37:21 Action JR: re: A.3.1.5 Keyboard Shortcuts - current wording is OK - but needs justification (perhaps more intent) 21:37:21 Created ACTION-214 - Re: A.3.1.5 Keyboard Shortcuts - current wording is OK - but needs justification (perhaps more intent) [on Jan Richards - due 2009-12-21]. 21:38:41 JR: Plus they have this requirement which is quite useful: 21:38:43 4.1.12 Present Direct Commands in User Interface: The user has the 21:38:45 option to have any direct commands (e.g. keyboard shortcuts) in the user 21:38:46 agent user interface be presented with their associated user interface 21:38:48 controls (e.g. "Ctrl+S" displayed on the "Save" menu item and toolbar 21:38:49 button). (Level AA) 21:38:54 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2009/ED-UAAG20-20091105/#principle-operable 21:40:09 SN: OK at AAA 21:40:20 GP: OK 21:40:30 JS: Would like to see it in 21:41:00 Action JR: To propose a way to bring a req like UAAG2 4.1.12 Present Direct Commands in User Interface into ATAG2 at Level AAA 21:41:00 Created ACTION-215 - Propose a way to bring a req like UAAG2 4.1.12 Present Direct Commands in User Interface into ATAG2 at Level AAA [on Jan Richards - due 2009-12-21]. 21:41:48 A.3.1.6 Drawing Keyboard Access (Enhanced): Any drawing functionality of the authoring tool is operable through a keyboard interface. (Level AAA) [Implementing A.3.1.6] 21:41:50 Note 1: It is possible to implement keyboard access directly (e.g., keyboard-driven manipulation of drawing objects) or indirectly (e.g., keyboard editing of drawing object property values). 21:41:52 Note 2: This success criterion should not be interpreted as discouraging mouse input or other input methods in addition to keyboard operation. 21:45:20 Jan does not feel we should be requiring one method over the other 21:45:25 JS agrees 21:47:22 Action JR: Propose rewording of A.3.1.6 to include both direct and indirect authoring. 21:47:22 Created ACTION-216 - Propose rewording of A.3.1.6 to include both direct and indirect authoring. [on Jan Richards - due 2009-12-21]. 21:48:31 Comment: A.3.2.1 Data Saved 21:48:31 > 21:48:31 > Note: For web-based authoring tools, this applies to any web content 21:48:31 > that has already been submitted to the server by the user agent. 21:48:31 > 21:48:33 > I wonder if it would make sense to have a AAA SC that provides for 21:48:36 > automatically submitting content in such a system? 21:49:18 JS Agrees 21:49:37 GP Ok 21:49:50 Action JR: Propose wording for a "Data Saved (Extended) Level AAA" 21:49:50 Created ACTION-217 - Propose wording for a "Data Saved (Extended) Level AAA" [on Jan Richards - due 2009-12-21]. 21:50:04 SN Ok 21:50:28 Comment: A.3.5.1 Text Search: The author(s) can perform text searches of web 21:50:28 > content in which all of the following are true: (Level AA) 21:50:28 > 21:50:28 > (a) Search All Editable: The search can be within any information that 21:50:28 > is text and that the authoring tool can modify (e.g., text content, text 21:50:28 > alternatives for non-text content, metadata, markup elements and 21:50:30 > attributes, etc.); and 21:50:32 > 21:50:34 > Does "The search can be" mean "The search MUST be" or "The search MAY be"? 21:51:11 Action JR: Reword A.3.5.1 to "Any information that is text and that the authoring tool can modify is searchable." 21:51:11 Created ACTION-218 - Reword A.3.5.1 to "Any information that is text and that the authoring tool can modify is searchable." [on Jan Richards - due 2009-12-21]. 21:51:19 SN Agree 21:52:23 Comment: > Note: If the current editing view is not able to display the results of 21:52:23 > a search then the authoring tool may switch to a different editing view 21:52:23 > to display the results (e.g., to a source content editing view to 21:52:23 > display search results within markup tags). 21:52:23 > 21:52:24 > I would hope that the authoring tool won't do this automatically, as 21:52:27 > that could be quite unexpected and jarring. Perhaps this should say 21:52:28 > that the authoring tool could provide a mechanism for the author to switch? 21:55:23 Note: If the current editing view is not able to display the results of 21:55:23 > a search then the authoring tool may switch to a different editing view 21:55:23 > to display the results (e.g., to a source content editing view to 21:55:23 > display search results within markup tags). 21:55:35 Note: If the current editing view is not able to display the results of 21:55:35 a search then the authoring tool may switch to a different editing view 21:55:35 to display the results (e.g., to a source content editing view to 21:55:35 display search results within markup tags). 21:56:04 then the authoring tool may provide a mechanism to switch to a different editing view... 21:57:09 Jan - Ok 21:58:13 Action JR: In A.3.5.1 Note to insert "then the authoring tool may provide a mechanism to switch to a different editing view..." NAD to add example of a switch mechanism such as listing the editing view that will open in the search results list 21:58:13 Created ACTION-219 - In A.3.5.1 Note to insert "then the authoring tool may provide a mechanism to switch to a different editing view..." NAD to add example of a switch mechanism such as listing the editing view that will open in the search results list [on Jan Richards - due 2009-12-21]. 21:59:48 -SueAnn 21:59:49 -Jan 21:59:52 -Greg_Pisocky 21:59:59 -Jeanne 22:00:01 WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has ended 22:00:02 Attendees were Jeanne, Jan, Greg_Pisocky, SueAnn, +1.410.723.aaaa 22:00:15 rrsagent, make minutes 22:00:15 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/14-au-minutes.html jeanne 22:00:22 rrsagent, make logs public 22:00:27 rrsagent, make minutes 22:00:27 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/14-au-minutes.html jeanne 22:01:08 present+ Tim_Boland(partial) 22:01:16 rrsagent, make minutes 22:01:16 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/14-au-minutes.html jeanne 22:01:42 present- 1.410.723.aaaa 22:01:47 rrsagent, make minutes 22:01:47 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/14-au-minutes.html jeanne 22:10:15 zakim, bye 22:10:15 Zakim has left #au 22:10:19 rrsagent, bye 22:10:19 I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/14-au-actions.rdf : 22:10:19 ACTION: JR to Change: "image label" to "text alternative" [1] 22:10:19 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/14-au-irc#T21-21-45 22:10:19 ACTION: JR to Change A.3.1.3 "No Keyboard Traps" [2] 22:10:19 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/14-au-irc#T21-26-40 22:10:19 ACTION: JR to re: A.3.1.5 Keyboard Shortcuts - current wording is OK - but needs justification (perhaps more intent) [3] 22:10:19 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/14-au-irc#T21-37-21 22:10:19 ACTION: JR to To propose a way to bring a req like UAAG2 4.1.12 Present Direct Commands in User Interface into ATAG2 at Level AAA [4] 22:10:19 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/14-au-irc#T21-41-00 22:10:19 ACTION: JR to Propose rewording of A.3.1.6 to include both direct and indirect authoring. [5] 22:10:19 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/14-au-irc#T21-47-22 22:10:19 ACTION: JR to Propose wording for a "Data Saved (Extended) Level AAA" [6] 22:10:19 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/14-au-irc#T21-49-50 22:10:19 ACTION: JR to Reword A.3.5.1 to "Any information that is text and that the authoring tool can modify is searchable." [7] 22:10:19 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/14-au-irc#T21-51-11 22:10:19 ACTION: JR to In A.3.5.1 Note to insert "then the authoring tool may provide a mechanism to switch to a different editing view..." NAD to add example of a switch mechanism such as listing the editing view that will open in the search results list [8] 22:10:19 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/14-au-irc#T21-58-13 22:10:24 jeanne has left #au