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<sandro> ?!
<ChrisW> uh oh
<sandro> yeah.
<ChrisW> we are on #7431 dave
<ChrisW> zakim
<ChrisW> zakim?
<ChrisW> leora, we are at 7431# today
<LeoraMorgenstern> Oh, the password is different?
<sandro> Chris, I got the regular passcode working. Shall we switch over?
<ChrisW> ok
<ChrisW> scribe: Gary
<ChrisW> Last meeting minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2009Nov/0053.html
<ChrisW> Proposed: accept last meeting minutes
<ChrisW> Resolved: accept last meeting minutes
<josb> done
<ChrisW> close action-955
<trackbot> ACTION-955 Contact Adrian Marte at STI2 about test cases and DTB support closed
<sandro> indeed, we didn't hear anything. :-(
close action-939
<trackbot> ACTION-939 Draft reply to public comment CD3 closed
<josb> continued
<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Public_Comments
<ChrisW> csma, are you coming to the call?
<csma> yes, trying to call in
<ChrisW> ACTION: csma to send cd3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-rif-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-957 - Send cd3 [on Christian de Sainte Marie - due 2009-12-15].
<ChrisW> ACTION: josb to draft response to IH [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-rif-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-958 - Draft response to IH [on Jos de Bruijn - due 2009-12-15].
chrisw: dave, did you respond to MS?
<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Response_to_MS
<ChrisW> der are you still there?
chrisw: assumes Dave responded to MS
csma: if we have another last call for PRD, what would be the schedule?
sandro: LC must be at least 3 weeks, can go from LC to CR, so can publish 2nd last call in Jan and "keep up" with the other specs
<sandro> (was the sound okay when i was talking there?)
<DaveReynolds> Yes, the Michael Schneider comments were the ones I responded to. He sent an "I am satisfied" response.
csma: not decided yet if the PRD refraction is a bug or requires a substantive change to the spec
michael: harold is in China and unavailable to discuss XML import
<csma> currently doing the change on comments
<csma> will do the update after
michael: will create a wiki page for FLD implementations
sandro: ensure style sheet for implementations is the basic one, not for W3C docs
<csma> implementation page updated for ontobroker
<MichaelKifer> Sandro, can you suggest the right style sheet?
chrisw: any impl of RDF or OWL import?
michael: silk probably supports RDF
<sandro> MichaelKifer, this one should be good: http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/TR/base.css
<ChrisW> ACTION: sandro to contact jderoo about rdf support in EYE [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-rif-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-959 - Contact jderoo about rdf support in EYE [on Sandro Hawke - due 2009-12-15].
chrisw: need an OWL import implementation
<sandro> ooops
chrisw: were there impl reports for OWL2 RL?
<sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Implementations
sandro: wiki shows Jena and Oracle have OWL RL impls
<ChrisW> ACTION: gary to contact Zhe Wu at oracle about whether the Oracle 11g Owl Reasoner could produce/consume RIF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-rif-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-960 - Contact Zhe Wu at oracle about whether the Oracle 11g Owl Reasoner could produce/consume RIF [on Gary Hallmark - due 2009-12-15].
gary: issue is the many many RIF builtins
<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/AssertRetract
chrisw: assertRetract test case is ok
csma: yes but it is strange
... would like some more time to decide about it
<csma> bye
<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Multiple_Strings_from_IRI
<DaveReynolds> Looks OK to me.
looks ok to me, but I'm glad I don't have to implement full equality :-)
<ChrisW> PROPOSED: Approve http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Multiple_Strings_from_IRI
<sandro> +1
<DaveReynolds> +1
<ChrisW> +1
<LeoraMorgenstern> +1
<ChrisW> RESOLVED: Approve http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Multiple_Strings_from_IRI
<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Multiple_IRIs_from_String
<ChrisW> PROPOSED: Approve http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Multiple_IRIs_from_String
<DaveReynolds> +1
<sandro> +1
<josb> +1
<ChrisW> RESOLVED: Approve http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Multiple_IRIs_from_String
<LeoraMorgenstern> +1
<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_Binary
<ChrisW> PROPOSED: accept http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_Binary
<josb> +1
<ChrisW> RESOLVED: accept http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_Binary
<ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_PlainLiteral
<LeoraMorgenstern> What is is-literal-not-plain-literal?
<ChrisW> PROPOSED: accept http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_PlainLiteral
<DaveReynolds> +1
<LeoraMorgenstern> +1
<josb> +1
<ChrisW> RESOLVED: accept http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_PlainLiteral
<ChrisW> ACTION: DaveReynolds to check base64Binary case http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_Binary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-rif-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - DaveReynolds
<ChrisW> ACTION: Dave to check base64Binary case http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_Binary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-rif-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-961 - Check base64Binary case http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Builtins_Binary [on Dave Reynolds - due 2009-12-15].
<ChrisW> ACTION: Chris to contact Stella about regenerating XML for BUiltins_string [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-rif-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-962 - Contact Stella about regenerating XML for BUiltins_string [on Christopher Welty - due 2009-12-15].
josb: fixed some rdf: vs xs: prefixes in Builtins_String
chrisw: xml will need to be regenerated
<DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-functions/#func-substring
<josb> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/DTB#func:string-join_.28adapted_from_fn:string-join.29
dave: 2nd substring looks wrong
sandro: is it a 0-based or 1-based index problem?
<sandro> Note that, as in XPath-Functions, the first character of a string is located at position 1, not position 0.
chrisw: 3rd arg is length
... so strings start at 1 but Lists start at 0 (??)
<sandro> fn:substring("12345", 0, 3) returns "12".
sandro: the starting index is 1, so starting at 0 is legal, just doesn't have a char
<ChrisW> ACTION: Chris to put BUiltins-String on agenda next time [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-rif-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-963 - Put BUiltins-String on agenda next time [on Christopher Welty - due 2009-12-15].
<MichaelKifer> have to run
chrisw: check replace builtin, and try to pass next time
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