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16:04:27 <stuart> Zakim, this is WebCGM 
16:04:27 <Zakim> ok, stuart; that matches GA_WebCGM()11:00AM
16:04:29 <lofton> zakim, +95385aabb is Thierry
16:04:29 <Zakim> +Thierry; got it
16:04:44 <stuart> Zakim, who is here?
16:04:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lofton_Henderson, Stuart_Galt, Don_Larson, +1.425.228.aaaa, Thierry
16:04:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, don, tmichel, dave, lofton, stuart, trackbot
16:05:01 <lofton> zakim, +1.425.228.aaaa is Dave
16:05:01 <Zakim> +Dave; got it
16:05:03 <stuart> chair: lofton
16:05:06 <Zakim> + +0049617396aacc
16:05:11 <stuart> scribe: stuart
16:05:24 <stuart> meeting: WebCGM teleconf
16:05:51 <stuart> zakim, who is here?
16:05:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lofton_Henderson, Stuart_Galt, Don_Larson, Dave, Thierry, +0049617396aacc
16:05:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, don, tmichel, dave, lofton, stuart, trackbot
16:05:55 <lofton> zakim, +0049617396aacc is ulrich
16:05:55 <Zakim> +ulrich; got it
16:06:33 <stuart> present:  Lofton_Henderson, Stuart_Galt, Don_Larson, Dave, Thierry, Ulrich
16:06:42 <Zakim> + +1.713.266.aadd
16:07:14 <lofton> zakim, +1.713.266.aadd is Forrest
16:07:14 <Zakim> +Forrest; got it
16:10:49 <lofton> My message to the WG list (15 min. ago) has not appeared.  Therefore I'll cut-paste pieces:
16:11:14 <lofton> Ulrich has just sent me updates to the most recently published implementation matrix [1] (I have not yet had time to integrate the updates).
16:11:14 <lofton> Basically, it looks like ACI LETD is okay, while ACI HSD does not have 2-pass, nor does setGetIntensity (which feature is *not* in the at-risk list).
16:11:35 <lofton> More...
16:11:36 <lofton> As expected, these at-risk features will probably get dropped:
16:11:36 <lofton> 1.) ACI Line Type Continuation (listed "at risk" for CR)
16:11:36 <lofton> 2.) ACI Edge Type Continuation  (listed "at risk" for CR)
16:11:36 <lofton> 3.) XCF access to transform stuff  (listed "at risk" for CR)
16:11:41 <lofton> More...
16:11:54 <lofton> However, we also are missing 2-pass on these features
16:11:54 <lofton> 4.) ACI Hatch Style Definition  (listed "at risk" for CR)
16:11:54 <lofton> 5.) ACI Intensity (NOT listed "at risk").
16:11:57 <lofton> More...
16:12:10 <lofton> We have a decision to make about #4 -- Stuart and Dave assert that this is a key feature for A&D applications.  Therefore, apparently we should wait for 2-pass, unless they are happy with the LETD result and don't mind abandoning HSD.
16:12:11 <lofton> We don't have to decide about #5 -- we must implement it, or else (if we drop it), then we will have to go through another WD cycle in W3C.
16:12:45 <lofton> More...
16:12:46 <lofton> Therefore, any resolution we pass today would have to be conditional:
16:12:47 <lofton> "Resolution:  After attainment of 2-pass status for ACI access to Hatch Style Definition and 2-pass status status for ACI access to "Intensity", the WebCGM WG will remove the following three "at risk" features from the WebCGM 2.1 specification and wishes to advance the resulting document to PR status:
16:12:47 <lofton> 1.) ACI Line Type Continuation;
16:12:47 <lofton> 2.) ACI Edge Type Continuation;
16:12:48 <lofton> 3.) XCF access to geometric transform functionality;"
16:17:28 <stuart> Don will work on ACI intensity.  He will try to get this working next week.
16:26:49 <stuart> The Hatch style definintion is different from line styles so it doesn't look like it will be implemented in a near timeframe.
16:28:02 <lofton> (email finally appeared:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webcgm-wg/2009Nov/0007.html )
16:31:40 <lofton> Okay, I guess we will have to drop ACI-HSD, as no implementor plans to do it.  Therefore the resolution looks like...
16:31:41 <lofton> Resolution:  After attainment of 2-pass status for ACI access to "Intensity", 
16:31:42 <lofton> the WebCGM WG will remove the following four "at risk" features from the 
16:31:42 <lofton> WebCGM 2.1 specification and wishes to advance the resulting document to PR 
16:31:42 <lofton> status:
16:31:42 <lofton> 1.) ACI access to Line Type Continuation;
16:31:44 <lofton> 2.) ACI access to Edge Type Continuation;
16:31:45 <lofton> 3.) XCF access to geometric transform functionality;
16:31:47 <lofton> 4.) ACI access to Hatch Style Definition;
16:33:40 <stuart> I agree (with reluctance)
16:34:06 <stuart> don, agrees
16:34:09 <stuart> dave, agrees
16:34:11 <tmichel> I agree
16:34:22 <lofton> I agree
16:34:29 <don> I agree
16:35:10 <stuart> absent: dieter
16:35:16 <stuart> regrets: benoit
16:35:41 <stuart> Looks like the resolution passed.
16:35:46 <lofton> (I will try to get email agree/disagree from Benoit and Dieter.)
16:35:52 <dave> great...gotta run
16:36:09 <Zakim> -Dave
16:36:12 <tmichel> we should probably have acceptance of this resolution by Benoit or Dieter by email
16:38:54 <stuart> rrsagent, make logs member 
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16:39:10 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-webcgm-irc#T16-39-10
16:39:47 <stuart> rrsagent, set logs world
16:40:33 <stuart> s/ACI access to/DOM access to/
16:40:47 <stuart> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:40:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/11-webcgm-minutes.html stuart
16:41:06 <stuart> rrsagent, bye
16:41:06 <RRSAgent> I see no action items