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yep, perfect, I will ping Yolanda so she can request trackbot to be attached to this group
<scribe> scribe: raphael
<scribe> scribenick: raphael
wow, someone has dialed very early
who has called ?
who has just called zakim ?
<pgroth> me
Paul, you were the first ?
<pgroth> i think, i just dialed in
<Irini> Ηι
<Irini> Hi, this is Irini Fundulaki from Greece (+30 2810..)
<smiles> Hello, I (Simon Miles) am here too
<paolo> hi all
please, when you join, state your name
so Zakim can recognize
<ssahoo2> ssahoo2 is satya sahoo
Web IRC is available at http://cgi.w3.org/member-bin/irc/irc.cgi pass the message
Yolanda: I thank everybody, more
than 35 people have joined the group and more will join
... I'm available as chair for anyone who has concern,
issue
... a lot of people couldn't join today, but wanted to start
early
Raphael: I'm willing to show you
the magic commands
... I'm very sorry, I'm disconnected often
http://cgi.w3.org/member-bin/irc/irc.cgi
<paolo> whois?
<rreck> what is the conference call code?
<pgroth> conference call code is : 98765
<ssahoo2> conf code 98765
Raphael: introducing quickly to some irc commands
<rreck> i can answer that
<rreck> you decide who you are based on timing
<rreck> i thought the call started at 11 EDT
<pgroth> it does
<pgroth> where are you at rreck
<pgroth> ?
<rreck> washington DC metro, so EDT
Yolanda: all, please introduce
you very briefly on the phone
... but use the mailing list to introduce you with more
details, providing links to paper and research
... I'm starting, I have done work using provenance for trust
in knowledge base ... provenance in workflow system
<rreck> q question mark tells you who is on the queue
Luc: I'm Luc Moreau from Uni. of
Southampton
... I'm working in Provenance since a lot of time,
interoperability, creating with some others the Provenance
Challenge
... we have 20-25 teams working on this activity ... result is
OPM, the Open Provenance Model, used in the last edition of the
challenge
... more than 400 papers have been published on this
topic
... will send a paper by the end of the next week
Raphael: I believe I have transcribed everything :-)
<ssahoo2> satya sahoo
Satya: use semantic web technique
for representing provenance, made a formal ontology
... with Paolo and Juliana ... just run the Provenance Workshop
@ISWC
Paolo: I'm from Uni. of
Manchester, interested in Provenance since 2 years
... I will ask feedback to people about interface?
... regarding OPM, work in a specific profile, we have
participated in the 3rd year challenge of the provenance
challenge
... we should put in the wiki more links to the provenance
challenge results?
ALL: please feel free to correct me if I'm scribing things wrongly
Jim Myers: Uni of Irvine
<YolandaG> Jim Myers is at NCSA, not Irvine
<ssahoo2> Jim is at NCSA Univ of Illinois
scribe: involved a lot in OPM and
in the provenance challenge
... more details posted to the list
Paul: Free University of
Amsterdam
... interested in mashups?
<pgroth> vrije unviersity amsterdam
<pgroth> btw
Irini: FORTH team, got a paper in ISWC 2 days ago
<rreck> sorry i missed the paper. do you have a link to it ?
Thanks Paul
<Irini> please substitute FORTH with FORTH
<rreck> joshua: i am in chantilly
Joshua Philips: Invited expert
<Irini> link to the FORTH paper: http://iswc2009.semanticweb.org/wiki/index.php/ISWC_2009_Research_Track#10:30__.09_Semantics:_Reasoning_and_Provenance
who is talking?
<Deborah> Jim McCusker
<rreck> me too!
Christine: Internet Society, not on IRC, interest in provenanc for privacy and data protection
<Deborah> Deborah L McGuinness
<Deborah> Professor of Computer Science and Cognitive Science Tetherless World Constellation RPI (previously led Stanford University�s Knowledge Systems Laboratory)
<Deborah> Inference Web � Knowledge Provenance Interlingua Environment � http://inference-web.org
<Deborah> Uses
<Deborah> PML � Proof Markup Language � Knowledge Provenance Interlingua - http://www.ksl.stanford.edu/KSL_Abstracts/KSL-07-07.html
Deborah: RPI now, interested in
provenance to improve trust
... work in the Proof Markup Language
<Deborah> retrying to post info
<Deborah> Deborah L McGuinness
<Deborah> Professor of Computer Science and Cognitive Science Tetherless World Constellation RPI (previously led Stanford University�s Knowledge Systems Laboratory)
<Deborah> Inference Web � Knowledge Provenance Interlingua Environment � http://inference-web.org
<Deborah> Uses
<Deborah> PML � Proof Markup Language � Knowledge Provenance Interlingua - http://www.ksl.stanford.edu/KSL_Abstracts/KSL-07-07.html
it's ok Deborah, already recorded ... thought you have strange characters in your sentences
<paolo> I sent a link to the SWPM wiki yesterday through the mlist, not sure it was distributed correctly?
Yolanda: we are an Incubator Group, XG, and NOT a WG, so we will not develop a recommendation
<Deborah> ok - thx raphael - is there a url where we can view the full recording? (i only can see text since i rejoined irc)
Yolanda: we will rather explore new area and provide guidance to W3C of what should be done in this domain
Deborah, here
<rreck> yes, I sent you an email to that effect
Yolanda: mailing list is public,
and archived, so everything you send is accessible for
ever
... we need to define the scope? of the work
... provenance is present in a very broad range of
domains
... in the context of the Semantic Web, a lot of interest for
Linked Data
Raphael: indeed, there is at least me, Olaf Hartif here ... in the Washington DC VoCamp in the Library of Congress, and we are discussing Provenance vocabularies
Yolanda: goal is to describe the landscape of the various intiatives
<pgroth> Paul
<pgroth> as well raphael :-)
Yolanda: identify the aspect of
provenance thant concerns various communities including
Semantic Web
... ultmately we will provide a state of the art on the topic
... and a roadmap that could recommend some standardisation
effort
... wiki will be a good place to collaboratively contribute
<jmyers4> and present + Jim M?
Yolanda: open forum so that everyone can comment
thanks all for your help :-)
<rreck> i would send some lessons learned from the social XG
???: Problem with the wiki ... is it write protected?
<pgroth> what's the url of the wiki?
scribe: can you add all participants of this XG as wiki user?
WIKI URL: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Main_Page
Rreck: I want to give you my experience with the Social Web XG ... how to use the wiki for writing use cases
<rreck> i think i forwarded those to you
<rreck> i would be glad to post them
Yolanda: which use cases from the SW XG would be interesting for this group?
rreck, please, send anything to the PUBLIC mailing list and not privalety to the chair
since this group operates in public
<rreck> right, i havent joined the group offcially
<rreck> and she asked me to do so
<rreck> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Tracking_Sources
Yolanda: the charter is frozen
could you please all state your name before talking ? I cannot yet match voices with names
<pgroth> that was pgroth
<pgroth> i should have used the speaker queue
Paul: I suggest we liaise with other groups / other organizations
Raphael: are you suggesting some particular groups and organisations ?
<rreck> maybe we can come up with a template for usecases?
Yolanda: if you have a w3c
account, you should be able to edit the wiki
... we need to structure it as well, have a part of use cases,
use stories, etc.
... who is willing to organize a top level structure for the
wiki ?
... I'm asking for a volunteer
who has talked ?
<rreck> its seems that security to the wiki is group specific, therefore all w3c accounts will not automatically work
<smiles> Paul talked
Paul: I volunteer, didn't get your name
<paolo> Washington DC VoCamp in the Library of Congress, and we are discussing Provenance vocabularies
<rreck> i wish i had the stamina to have attended
<Deborah> great paolo - you might mention this group and the upcoming ipaw - june 15-16, and challenge june 17 at RPI
<paolo> Deborah is there a CFP for IPAW already?
<Deborah> coming very soon
<paolo> ok thx
Yolanda: I think we should start with some use cases
<rreck> i agree that setting milestones is a great idea
<Deborah> it will go up at http://tw.rpi.edu/portal/IPAW2010
Yolanda: we will spend time with more introduction with the ones who couldn't make it today, and then discuss high level goals for the group
<rreck> might i recommend a template for usecases?
<Deborah> +1 to template suggestion
Yolanda: anyone wants to suggest other topics for discussion ?
+1 for template for use cases
<pgroth> simon? template
<rreck> i will take that action
Yolanda: I would put a discussion item next week for such a template
Simon: I will work on one?
I would certainly help next week scribe, thanks Paolo
Next scribe: Paolo
<pgroth> luc's survey
Luc's survey is indeed the right things to start with
Paoo: what is the current timeline to have this survey available
Luc: I hope to release the survey by next week
Irini: I can provide some links also, since we are preparing a survey as well on the topic
I will email details on the mailing list for wiki access
<ian_oliver> Thank you all and good night
Yolanda: anything elese ?
<rreck> bye
[silence]
meeting adjourned
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