<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB

<scribe> Scribe: Art

Review and tweak agenda

AB: I posted the draft agenda on October 21 ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009OctDec/0283.html ). Since Marcos sent regrets for today we will drop the Widget interface spec agenda item.
... any other agenda change requests?

FH: I think we should talk about DAP + WebApps meeting during TPAC

AB: ok, during AOB

JK: we could talk about Web Notifications
... but may want to wait for more people

FH: yes, think we should wait

AB: I agree
... if there is no closure by next week, it will be on the Oct 29 agenda

Announcements

AB: I have 4 short announcements/reminders:
... 1. draft agendas for the November 2-3 TPAC f2f meeting have been updated: Widgets group ( http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/TPAC2009Widgets ) and APIs group ( http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/TPAC2009APIs ). Fleshing-out the TPAC widgets agenda will be an agenda item for our October 29 call.
... 2. the TPAC registration deadline is Oct 23 ( http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/Overview.html )
... 3. TPAC Public Developer Gathering Nov 5 ( http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/DevMeeting ). Please spread the word.
... 4. Our Oct 29 call will be the same time for everyone except US. The time for US will be one hour later. Thereafter, the times will be the same as today. No call of course during the TPAC week.
... any other annoucements?

[ None ]

P&C spec: Potential bug in Rule for Identifying the Media Type of a File

AB: the remaining open bug for P+C spec is documented in the "Potential bug in Rule for Identifying the Media Type of a File" thread ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009OctDec/0183.html ).
... earlier today Marcos responded to Marcin's latest proposal ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009OctDec/0293.html ). I think this now closes this bug. Any comments?

MH: I looked at MC's comments
... I disagree with some proposals
... I did some tests
... I also disagree with limitation of file extension to 2 ranges
... proposed ranges are only for ASCII letters
... do not cover digits
... but there are some extension e.g. pk12 with digits
... think we need to consult i18n group
... not sure they will agree with ASCII only extensions
... I will submit a reply to Marcos
... One source of confusion is OS support versus shell support

<scribe> ACTION: marcin respond to Marcos' Oct 22 email re BNF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-wam-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-420 - Respond to Marcos' Oct 22 email re BNF [on Marcin Hanclik - due 2009-10-29].

BS: is this about naming of files that are part of the package?

MH: yes

BS: I agree there should not be constraints

AB: any other comments on this?
... given we don't consensus on this, we will not be able to publish a new LC until after the TPAC meeting
... any last comments?
... given this is still an open issue, we will not discuss LC publication today

AOB

AB: next call will October 29. One topic for that call will fleshing out the agenda for the Nov 2-3 f2f meeting. It could be that we have very little to discuss in Santa Clara which means people could then attend other f2f meetings e.g. WebApps' APIs meeting, DAP WG, etc.
... Frederick DAP and WebApps?

FH: WebApps will have 2 meetings?

AB: yes
... Chaals will chair APIs group
... Art will chair Widgets group
... File API is a topic for DAP + WebApps

FH: do we need a DAP + Widgets joint session

AB: I don't think there is a need yet

BS: I think it would make sense to have a short joint session

<fhirsch3> +1 to having joint DAP - Widgets session

BS: to discuss any possible overlap

AB: do you mean API or Widget group?

BS: I think DAP + Widgets group joint meeting makes sense
... I am interested in status of the HTML5 specs that moved to WebApps

AB: I only want to organize a joint meeting if there are specific agenda topics

FH: I want to take advantage of the co-location

AB: yes, sure

BS: think there is overlap between widget API and what is being done in DAP

AB: can you take an action to identify the overlap?

<scribe> ACTION: bryan review Widget API and DAP APIs for overlaps [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-wam-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-421 - Review Widget API and DAP APIs for overlaps [on Bryan Sullivan - due 2009-10-29].

MH: think there is overlaps between widgets and HTML5
... want to adapt HTML5 interfaces if possible
... Robin is the WARP editor
... I am Editor of VM specs
... want to use the meetings to meet each other

<fhirsch3> +1 to marcin, we need to have a joint meeting to raise issues, establish relationships etc

AB: does the DAP WG already have a packed agenda for those two days?

FH: we certainly have lots of info
... but think joint meetings should be high priority

<scribe> ACTION: Frederick Robin to make a proposal to WebApps chairs regaring joint meetings Nov 2-3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-wam-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-422 - Robin to make a proposal to WebApps chairs regaring joint meetings Nov 2-3 [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2009-10-29].

<marcin> drinking beer during the joint meeting may be the best option :), since the actual resolutions will anyway have to be taken off-line/over email/ on the call after the F2F

AB: I do not forsee a problem with WebApps' widgets group meeting with DAP

BS: I don't have visibility to WebApps HTML5 specs
... I want to understand how that stuff relates to DAP

AB: I'm hearing Bryan requesting DAP meet with WebApp' APIs groups re WebApp's HTML5 specs

<scribe> ACTION: barstow work with Robin, FH, and Chaals to get DAP and WebApps' APIs group to meet f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-wam-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-423 - Work with Robin, FH, and Chaals to get DAP and WebApps' APIs group to meet f2f [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-10-29].

<scribe> ACTION: Robin work with FH, and Chaals to get DAP and WebApps' APIs group to meet f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-wam-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-424 - Work with FH, and Chaals to get DAP and WebApps' APIs group to meet f2f [on Robin Berjon - due 2009-10-29].

BS: server-sent events is a topic of interest for me
... think there is some potential synergy with OMA specs

<scribe> ACTION: bryan submit agenda item requests re WebApps APIs for the TPAC meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-wam-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-425 - Submit agenda item requests re WebApps APIs for the TPAC meeting [on Bryan Sullivan - due 2009-10-29].

<JereK> Chaals has already indicated that WebAPI and DAP should meet re the various FIle APIs - see tentative WebAPI agenda for TPAC: http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/TPAC2009APIs#Agenda_Items

FH: hard to juggle these agendas

AB: agree
... anything else on this subject?
... I thought you guys already had an agenda but I see now I'm wrong about that

FH: DAP will have about 4 major slots
... some will be for APIs
... some will be for policy
... some will be for joint meetings

<fhirsch3> 4 slots per day

AB: anything else for today?
... next call is Oct 29
... meeting adjourned

Date: 22 October 2009

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Regrets: Marcos Arve David
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009OctDec/0283.html
Found Date: 22 Oct 2009
Guessing minutes URL: http://www.w3.org/2009/10/22-wam-minutes.html
People with action items: barstow bryan chaals fh frederick marcin respond robin with work