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16:00:17 Zakim, this will be HTML
16:00:18 ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
16:00:18 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:00:18 Date: 24 September 2009
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16:01:16 zakim, p32 is me
16:01:16 sorry, kliehm, I do not recognize a party named 'p32'
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16:01:35 zakim, ??P32 is me
16:01:35 +kliehm; got it
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16:01:43 zakim, mute me
16:01:44 kliehm should now be muted
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16:01:54 Zakim, passcode?
16:01:54 the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), anne
16:02:02 Zakim, +1.251.280.aabb is me
16:02:02 +julian; got it
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16:04:33 zakim, pick a scribe
16:04:33 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose laura
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16:05:15 scribe: anne
16:05:26 hi all
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16:06:00 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda
16:06:01 Title: Input for Agenda Planning for the HTML Weekly - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:06:21 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009JulSep/0044.html
16:06:21 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0908.html
16:06:21 Title: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-24 - CfCs, Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc. from Paul Cotton on 2009-09-22 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
16:06:22 Title: FW: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-24 - CfCs, Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc. from Paul Cotton on 2009-09-22 (public-html@w3.org from September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
16:06:40 Topic: Agenda
16:06:56 PC: comments on the agenda? missed actions/items?
16:07:01 PC: lets assume this is ok
16:07:07 Topic ISSUE-35/ACTION-138: Produce a matrix based on Henri's work [Steve Faulkner]
16:07:14 RS: I had one item about drag and drop
16:07:37 RS: I want to raise an issue on it
16:07:42 RS: can be put at the end
16:07:56 LC: I have a procedural question about summary=""; can be put in the end
16:08:13 PC: I will deal with those as item 9 and move adjourn to 10
16:08:15 +[Microsoft.a]
16:08:22 PC: anything else?
16:08:27 Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
16:08:27 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:08:28 +Mike
16:08:36 zakim, microsoft.a is adrianba
16:08:36 +adrianba; got it
16:08:42 Topic: ACTION-138 -- produce a matrix based on HS' work
16:09:20 LC: about two weeks ago Steve did a pass on that, discussed it, and has since then not have time to work on it; it will be discussed again the week after next
16:09:27 PC: lets move the action to October 8
16:09:28 change due date to oct 8
16:09:30 LC: sounds good
16:09:52 action-138 due 2009-10-08
16:09:52 ACTION-138 Produce a matrix based on Henri's work due date now 2009-10-08
16:10:02 Topic ACTION-143: Get co-chairs to bring forward a concrete proposal for a testing task force (including scope) [Paul Cotton]
16:10:18 Topic: ACTION-143 -- on PC; testing task force
16:10:25 ACTION-143?
16:10:25 ACTION-143 -- Paul Cotton to get co-chairs to bring forward a concrete proposal for a testing task force (including scope) -- due 2009-09-17 -- OPEN
16:10:25 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/143
16:10:26 Title: ACTION-143 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:10:31 Proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0687.html
16:10:32 Title: RE: HTML WG Testing Task Force from Paul Cotton on 2009-09-17 (public-html@w3.org from September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
16:10:51 PC: so far we have seen positive items; it seems that creating a TF is acceptable to everyone
16:10:59 PC: what we need now is a volunteer to get things going
16:11:24 PC: can I email to ask for volunteers?
16:11:24 +1
16:11:29 MJS: sounds good
16:11:34 +1
16:12:04 ACTION: paulc to ask for a volunteer to run the testing Task Force
16:12:04 Created ACTION-146 - Ask for a volunteer to run the testing Task Force [on Paul Cotton - due 2009-10-01].
16:12:31 +??P1
16:12:53 PC: we wanted a way to figure out a way to be a member of the testing TF without getting email from the HTML WG
16:13:18 MS: that is not possible because the subscription list of public-html is based on the HTML WG member database
16:14:03 PC: what if they explicitly unsubscribe?
16:14:07 MS: don't think that will work
16:14:28 PC: so the only recourse would be for the TF members to set up a filter
16:14:51 MS: most people use some kind of filtering already so this would just be another rule
16:15:06 PC: just wanted to make sure that we dealt with item 2 under the proposal
16:15:25 PC: as AB from MS requested this feature
16:15:42 The following point will NOT be possible:
16:15:45 Note: We may want to figure out how to permit TF members to avoid receiving WG email.
16:16:08 PC: OASIS is ahead of the W3C here
16:16:09 close action 143
16:16:20 -anne
16:16:20 MS: [censored o_O]
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16:16:51 Zakim, ??P16 is me
16:16:51 +anne; got it
16:16:57 Topic ISSUE-54/ACTION-103: Register about: URI scheme [Lachlan Hunt]
16:17:02 Topic: about URI scheme
16:17:12 there was mail on the about URI scheme this week
16:17:24 MJS: he emailed on this last week
16:17:51 http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/uri-review/current/msg01009.html
16:17:52 Title: [Uri-review] draft-holsten-about-uri-scheme-02 (at www.ietf.org)
16:18:00 MJS: we should probably roll over the action
16:18:10 PC: I will change the due date to next week
16:18:12 See report in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0684.html
16:18:13 Title: ACTION-103 Follow up on the about: scheme Registration from Lachlan Hunt on 2009-09-17 (public-html@w3.org from September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
16:18:44 Topic: update IRI spec based on comments
16:18:47 Topic ISSUE-56/ACTION-137: Update IRI spec based on comments to Public-IRI [Larry Masinter]
16:18:50 action-103 due 2009-09-24
16:18:50 ACTION-103 Register about: URI scheme due date now 2009-09-24
16:18:59 MJS: I think LM emailed about this
16:19:01 the author/editor of the about URI scheme needs to respond to comments
16:19:10 yes, i'm in TAG meeting but we're about to break
16:19:19 see report in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0982.html
16:19:20 Title: ACTION-137 on URI/IRI/URL from Larry Masinter on 2009-09-24 (public-html@w3.org from September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
16:19:44 PC: this one appears to be in progress
16:19:53 i'm not on phone but i can respond to questions on IRC
16:19:57 "Updating due date to 9/28"
16:19:57 ACTION-137?
16:19:57 ACTION-137 -- Larry Masinter to update IRI spec based on comments to Public-IRI (Including those from HTML-WG members), -- due 2009-09-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
16:19:57 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/137
16:19:59 Title: ACTION-137 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:20:14 wait, should be OPEN not PENDINGREVIEW
16:20:52 Topic: outstanding CfC
16:20:53 Topic CfC: declare WebSockets out of scope [Maciej Stachowiak]
16:20:55 i will do yet another draft, think next monday, that's what i put in the tracker
16:21:02 Resolved without objection.
16:21:06 PC: I believe the first one is resolved
16:21:11 PC: comments?
16:21:18 action-137?
16:21:18 ACTION-137 -- Larry Masinter to update IRI spec based on comments to Public-IRI (Including those from HTML-WG members), -- due 2009-09-28 -- OPEN
16:21:18 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/137
16:21:19 Title: ACTION-137 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:21:32 Topic CfC: Publish HTML+RDFa as First Public Working Draft [Maciej Stachowiak]
16:21:59 PC: we haven't seen anyone to object to publication
16:22:08 PC: we have seen a lot of discussion on content
16:22:16 Resolved without objection to publish the first public WGD
16:22:19 PC: resolved to publish without objection as FPWD
16:23:08 PC: I will work with Manu to get the document in shape
16:23:16 Manu: that's be fantastic
16:23:45 ACTION: paulc to work with Manu on making HTML+RDFa ready to publish
16:23:45 Created ACTION-147 - Work with Manu on making HTML+RDFa ready to publish [on Paul Cotton - due 2009-10-01].
16:24:08 Topic: HTML+RDFa
16:24:29 Manu: after speaking with Henri and reading Maciej and Jonas' feedback it is clear that we need to clarify the current specification.
16:24:36 Manu: with respect to DOM Level 2 and the infoset
16:24:51 Manu: we'll start to move the issues from the RDFa wiki to the W3C issue tracker
16:25:08 PC: do you want an action on this or is it obvious enough?
16:25:17 PC: the movement of the issues, in particular
16:25:30 Manu: I wanted to put them in the RDFa TF tracker
16:25:38 q+
16:25:53 Manu: I can email it after the telcon
16:26:10 MJS: I'd recommend putting them in W3C Bugzilla, not the Tracker
16:26:23 ack next
16:26:32 tx sam
16:27:02 Manu: that might lead to some duplication between the RDFa and HTML tracker
16:27:37 Topic Joint HTML and PF WG Accessibility Task Force
16:27:53 s/Topic Joint/Topic: Joint/
16:28:03 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0956.html
16:28:04 Title: Re: Accessibility Task Force from Janina Sajka on 2009-09-23 (public-html@w3.org from September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
16:28:11 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/html-task-force
16:28:12 Title: HTML Accessibility Task Force (at www.w3.org)
16:29:08 PC: does anyone have any comments regarding the description on this TF?
16:29:39 PC: we handle the patent obligation by requiring members of the TF to be a member of the HTML WG
16:29:49 Who are the Task Force Facilitators?
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16:30:21 ACTION: paulc to recruit a Task Force facilitator for the HTML WG
16:30:21 Created ACTION-148 - Recruit a Task Force facilitator for the HTML WG [on Paul Cotton - due 2009-10-01].
16:30:56 MC: can we record a formal resolution?
16:31:18 MJS: if we want to record a resolution we should probably issue a CfC on the mailing list
16:31:45 ACTION: maciej to issue a CfC to approve the accessibility Task Force and testing Task Force
16:31:45 Created ACTION-149 - Issue a CfC to approve the accessibility Task Force and testing Task Force [on Maciej Stachowiak - due 2009-10-01].
16:32:30 7. Topic HTML WG Testing Task Force
16:32:37 Done above under the action items.
16:32:53 s/7. Topic/Topic: 7./
16:33:02 Topic for drag and drop discussion
16:33:14 s/Topic for/Topic:/
16:33:36 RS: the problem we have with the current specification is that it is mouse specific
16:34:01 AvK: actually, the specification is already written in a way that it is keyboard accessible
16:34:16 AvK: as a copy and paste operation
16:34:54 MJS: the current specification dispatches the same events for copy and paste and drag and drop
16:35:36 RS: we need to create an issue
16:35:54 MJS: I would prefer to start with a bug in the bug tracker
16:36:23 RS: who creates the bug?
16:36:32 MJS: I would recommend you do it since you understand the issue
16:36:44 q+
16:36:50 You want: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=HTML%20WG
16:36:51 Title: Log in to Bugzilla (at www.w3.org)
16:36:52 zakim, unmute me
16:36:52 kliehm should no longer be muted
16:37:04 q?
16:37:04 ack
16:37:04 richardschwerdtfe, ^^
16:37:30 ack next
16:37:39 MK: drag and drop has been under fire recently
16:37:50 http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2009/09/the_html5_drag.html
16:37:51 Title: QuirksBlog: The HTML5 drag and drop disaster (at www.quirksmode.org)
16:38:00 MK: I think people have asked to remove it from the HTML5 specification, rewrite it, and handle it as a separate draft
16:38:19 PC: so what you're saying is that this issue might be subsumed by drag and drop might be done in a different way
16:38:23 +1 to removing drag and drop, brings in all kinds of stuff
16:38:31 MK: yes
16:39:11 MJS: lets keep this as a separate issue
16:39:13 PC: agreed
16:39:38 MJS: Firefox, Safari, and Internet Explorer all implement the current model and it is therefore unlikely to go away
16:39:45 MJS: but we can discuss this offline
16:39:50 Topic discussion of summary
16:40:05 s/Topic/Topic:/
16:40:28 LC: [scribe missed]
16:40:42 MJS: the bug tracker should not affect your action on creating an alternative draft
16:40:46 one of the bugs related to summary is http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7633
16:40:47 LC, PC: thanks MJS
16:40:47 117633: shelleyp@burningbird.net, P2, REOPENED, 13The use of @summary should be encouraged when circumstances warrant
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16:40:53 PC: volunteer to scribe next week?
16:40:58 Topic Scribe for next meeting
16:40:59 PC: no volunteers
16:41:14 -Cynthia_Shelly
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16:41:15 -Radhika_Roy
16:41:15 PC: adjourned
16:41:17 -Rich
16:41:18 -Matt
16:41:18 -Sam
16:41:20 -[Apple]
16:41:20 -adrianba
16:41:21 -anne
16:41:22 thanks
16:41:23 -carlos
16:41:25 Zakim, drop Mike
16:41:25 -Eliot_Graff
16:41:26 well done
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16:41:29 -julian
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16:41:33 Mike is being disconnected
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