IRC log of egov on 2009-07-22

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12:56:06 [RRSAgent]

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-irc

12:56:26 [josema]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2009Jul/0011

12:58:26 [Rachel]

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12:59:17 [Zakim]

T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started

12:59:24 [Zakim]

+ +073411aaaa

12:59:56 [Zakim]

+ +1.509.464.aabb

13:00:07 [Zakim]

- +1.509.464.aabb

13:00:31 [hughb]

josema: +073411 is me

13:00:42 [Zakim]

+ +1.202.626.aacc

13:00:43 [Zakim]

+ +1.509.464.aadd

13:00:44 [Zakim]

+ +1.216.443.aaee

13:00:47 [josema]

zakim, call josema-office

13:00:47 [Zakim]

ok, josema; the call is being made

13:00:48 [Zakim]

+Josema

13:00:51 [Zakim]

- +1.509.464.aadd

13:00:56 [kevin]

ouch what is the noise?

13:01:01 [Zakim]

- +1.202.626.aacc

13:01:05 [Zakim]

- +1.216.443.aaee

13:01:06 [hughb]

squealing noise?

13:01:11 [josema]

zakim, who's noisy?

13:01:22 [Zakim]

josema, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

13:01:27 [Zakim]

+ +1.202.626.aaff

13:01:44 [josema]

zakim, who is making noise?

13:01:45 [AdamHarvey]

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13:01:54 [kevin]

sounds like a vacuum cleaner

13:01:55 [Zakim]

josema, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

13:02:05 [hughb]

kevin: yes

13:02:08 [Zakim]

+ +1.509.464.aagg

13:02:11 [josema]

and zakim cannot identify where it's coming from :(

13:02:11 [hughb]

could be my handset

13:02:13 [Zakim]

+ +1.216.443.aahh

13:02:23 [Zakim]

- +1.216.443.aahh

13:02:27 [hughb]

let me unplug the headset

13:02:29 [josema]

I suggest all to hung up and re-start the call

13:02:33 [Zakim]

+ +1.202.564.aaii

13:02:43 [hughb]

was me

13:02:49 [Owen]

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13:02:59 [josema]

zakim, who's here?

13:02:59 [Zakim]

On the phone I see +073411aaaa, Josema, +1.202.626.aaff, +1.509.464.aagg, +1.202.564.aaii

13:03:03 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Owen, AdamHarvey, Rachel, RRSAgent, kevin, Zakim, josema, trackbot, hughb

13:03:10 [Zakim]

+ +1.216.443.aajj

13:03:17 [AdamHarvey]

Zakim, I am aajj

13:03:17 [Zakim]

+AdamHarvey; got it

13:03:29 [Rachel]

aagg is rachel

13:03:36 [josema]

zakim, aaaa is hughb

13:03:36 [Zakim]

+hughb; got it

13:03:44 [Zakim]

+??P15

13:03:53 [josema]

zakim, aagg is rachel

13:03:53 [Zakim]

+rachel; got it

13:04:04 [josema]

zakim, ??P15 is Owen

13:04:04 [Zakim]

+Owen; got it

13:04:10 [josema]

zakim, who's here?

13:04:10 [Zakim]

On the phone I see hughb, Josema, +1.202.626.aaff, rachel, +1.202.564.aaii, AdamHarvey, Owen

13:04:13 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Owen, AdamHarvey, Rachel, RRSAgent, kevin, Zakim, josema, trackbot, hughb

13:04:34 [josema]

zakim, aaff is kevin

13:04:34 [Zakim]

+kevin; got it

13:04:35 [Daniel_Bennett]

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13:04:57 [josema]

zakim, aaii is brand

13:04:57 [Zakim]

+brand; got it

13:05:15 [Zakim]

+ +1.202.449.aakk

13:05:32 [josema]

zakim, aakk is Daniel_Bennett

13:05:32 [Zakim]

+Daniel_Bennett; got it

13:06:10 [josema]

agenda?

13:06:17 [josema]

zakim, take up next agendum

13:06:17 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Agenda adjustments and next meetings" taken up [from josema]

13:08:32 [josema]

zakim, who's here?

13:08:32 [Zakim]

On the phone I see hughb, Josema, kevin, rachel, brand, AdamHarvey, Owen, Daniel_Bennett

13:08:34 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Daniel_Bennett, Owen, AdamHarvey, Rachel, RRSAgent, kevin, Zakim, josema, trackbot, hughb

13:08:36 [josema]

http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Scribe_List

13:10:31 [josema]

http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Teleconferences

13:10:52 [josema]

http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc

13:11:46 [AdamHarvey]

I wish I could scribe, but I field questions from my boss and coworkers during the meetings... sorry guys

13:12:47 [josema]

scribe: josema

13:13:04 [josema]

agenda?

13:14:23 [josema]

[brand is scribing offline]

13:14:43 [josema]

[just summarized stuff in here]

13:15:09 [AdamHarvey]

+1 to reconvene on August 19

13:15:11 [josema]

next meeting: August 19th

13:15:16 [josema]

agenda?

13:15:21 [josema]

zakim, take up next agendum

13:15:21 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Data.gov.* memo" taken up [from josema]

13:15:39 [josema]

http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Data-gov-memo

13:20:22 [Daniel_Bennett]

fyi- Tim O'Reilly interview on WAMU about eGov http://wamu.org/programs/kn/09/07/21.php#27051

13:23:07 [josema]

[discussing timeline and window of opportunity]

13:23:23 [josema]

[maybe O'Reilly Summit as milestone?]

13:24:42 [josema]

->http://www.gov2summit.com/ O'Reilly Gov 2.0 Summit

13:27:26 [kevin]

adam?

13:28:13 [josema]

[adam, daniel volunteer to draw some diagrams for the memo]

13:28:47 [josema]

ACTION: adam to draft diagrams for the data.gov.* memo

13:28:47 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-77 - Draft diagrams for the data.gov.* memo [on Adam Harvey - due 2009-07-29].

13:28:57 [josema]

ACTION: daniel to draft diagrams for the data.gov.* memo

13:28:57 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-78 - Draft diagrams for the data.gov.* memo [on Daniel Bennett - due 2009-07-29].

13:29:15 [josema]

LOL!

13:29:22 [josema]

agtenda?

13:29:25 [josema]

agdna?

13:29:27 [josema]

agenda?

13:31:04 [AdamHarvey]

I'll work with Daniel on that too.

13:31:14 [josema]

[daniel and adam to review text, too]

13:31:47 [josema]

zakim, take up next agendum

13:31:47 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Charter and Plan" taken up [from josema]

13:32:14 [josema]

ACTION: daniel to draft memo text based on what is there already

13:32:15 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-79 - Draft memo text based on what is there already [on Daniel Bennett - due 2009-07-29].

13:32:21 [josema]

ACTION: adam to draft memo text based on what is there already

13:32:21 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-80 - Draft memo text based on what is there already [on Adam Harvey - due 2009-07-29].

13:32:54 [Zakim]

+john

13:33:28 [john]

john has joined #egov

13:34:03 [john]

agenda?

13:34:54 [john]

Hi Hugh! Great work :)

13:35:03 [Daniel_Bennett]

thanks Hugh

13:35:40 [josema]

http://www.w3.org/2009/06/eGov/ig-charter

13:38:18 [john]

Josema is explaining the ideosyncracies of W3C

13:40:25 [hughb]

better understanding of exact requirements would help streamline the process

13:41:03 [john]

josema is the only person who understands the W3C processes amongst us - it's byzantine

13:41:13 [josema]

ACTION: josema to produce HTML diff so IG could see W3M Review changes

13:41:13 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-81 - Produce HTML diff so IG could see W3M Review changes [on José Manuel Alonso - due 2009-07-29].

13:42:04 [john]

sounds great

13:42:07 [josema]

agenda?

13:43:14 [john]

and me

13:43:36 [josema]

agenda?

13:43:43 [josema]

zakim, take up next agendum

13:43:43 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "eGov/Comm Planning Calls" taken up [from josema]

13:44:28 [hughb]

bye!

13:44:29 [AdamHarvey]

Goodnight Hugh!

13:44:30 [john]

thanks hugh!

13:44:35 [josema]

thanks hugh!

13:44:49 [Zakim]

-hughb

13:48:26 [josema]

[kevin, josema review current activities, some media opportunities, events]

13:48:41 [josema]

[that are being regularly reviewed with Comm/Edelman]

13:49:36 [AdamHarvey]

I'll help with design. I can't develop though

13:50:21 [josema]

This will replace the current http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/

13:50:48 [josema]

see beta W3C site look and feel: http://beta.w3.org/

13:53:49 [Daniel_Bennett]

looks like this is being used http://www.smarty.net/

13:54:37 [john]

for the start of new charter?

13:54:59 [Daniel_Bennett]

for beta.w3.org

13:55:10 [AdamHarvey]

Yup, I'm listening

13:57:20 [john]

I will

13:57:31 [josema]

scribe: john

13:57:50 [john]

I shall just capture stuff on IRC - and we merge after the event?

13:57:53 [josema]

ACTION: daniel to take a look at eGov home design

13:57:53 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-82 - Take a look at eGov home design [on Daniel Bennett - due 2009-07-29].

13:57:58 [josema]

yup

13:58:06 [josema]

ACTION: adam to take a look at eGov home design

13:58:06 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-83 - Take a look at eGov home design [on Adam Harvey - due 2009-07-29].

13:58:15 [josema]

zakim, take up next agendum

13:58:15 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "What's going on" taken up [from josema]

13:58:16 [john]

Kevin: explaining that conversations with comms team relates to charter 2

13:58:42 [AdamHarvey]

Heh

13:58:43 [josema]

rrsagent, draft minutes

13:58:43 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-minutes.html josema

13:58:44 [john]

Kevin: O'Reilly summit - case studies submitted by Daniel and John. Also submitted panel idea

13:58:48 [josema]

rrsagent, pointer?

13:58:48 [RRSAgent]

See http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-irc#T13-58-48

13:59:16 [john]

Kevin: waiting for outcomes of those submissions. Fingers crossed.

13:59:18 [AdamHarvey]

Any chance there are extra invites to the Summit? I've never heard back from them.

14:01:10 [josema]

[PdF]

14:01:44 [john]

josema, can you close last agenda item (forgotten IRC code)

14:01:55 [josema]

agenda?

14:02:23 [josema]

adam, I think kevin's the man; we'll ask Edelman again later today, I think word was we won't hear from O'Reilly folks until early August?

14:03:30 [josema]

I wonders if group heard of "our" presence at NYC hearing by the time... http://www.w3.org/QA/2009/07/data_in_the_city

14:03:33 [john]

Rachel: had conversations with folk, frustrated by statutory requirements. Great to talk to passionate people, who want to make gov on the web better

14:04:02 [josema]

meeting: eGov IG Call

14:04:06 [Zakim]

-Owen

14:04:09 [josema]

chair: kevin, john

14:04:33 [josema]

zakim, list attendees

14:04:33 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been +073411aaaa, +1.509.464.aabb, +1.202.626.aacc, +1.509.464.aadd, +1.216.443.aaee, Josema, +1.202.626.aaff, +1.509.464.aagg, +1.216.443.aahh,

14:04:36 [Zakim]

... +1.202.564.aaii, +1.216.443.aajj, AdamHarvey, hughb, rachel, Owen, kevin, brand, +1.202.449.aakk, Daniel_Bennett, john

14:04:37 [john]

Rachel: lots of volunteer activity by people who want to help make gov on the web better. Good atmosphere, exciting times.

14:05:30 [Owen]

Owen has joined #egov

14:05:49 [john]

Daniel: concurs with Rachel; big difference from last year, government folks more engaged. Clear leadership coming from top of Fed Gov

14:06:29 [john]

Daniel: but a focus on web standards seems missing - that's the opportunity for us

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14:07:41 [john]

Rachel: missed unveiling of dashboard

14:07:45 [josema]

oh, no... so sorry!

14:07:55 [john]

Rachel: there was lots of whooting

14:08:22 [john]

Aside: this is so American - all this shouting and yelling. You guys! ;)

14:08:52 [john]

Rachel: represenatatives of federal web managers council will be joining CIO Council

14:08:57 [john]

Kevin: good to hear

14:09:28 [Zakim]

+??P0

14:09:46 [josema]

zakim, ??P0 is Owen

14:09:46 [Zakim]

+Owen; got it

14:10:01 [josema]

http://eups20.wordpress.com/

14:10:24 [john]

Josema: a group of 8-10 people led by David Osimo

14:10:58 [john]

Josema: idea is, instead of a Ministerial declaration, do something else: put meat into the thinking.

14:11:29 [josema]

http://eups20.uservoice.com/

14:11:40 [john]

Josema: project is on same lines as open gov initiative in US, using the uservoice platform

14:12:01 [john]

Josema: opened for ideas, ended a week ago

14:12:24 [Daniel_Bennett]

go jose!!!

14:12:27 [john]

Josema: many ideas, most voted was open government data

14:12:47 [john]

Josema: many other ideas were about OGD

14:13:06 [josema]

http://mixedink.com/Eups20/Transparentgovernment

14:13:19 [john]

Josema: now gathering most compelling ideas, for presenting to commission for ministerial declaration

14:13:49 [john]

Josema: produce a doc that can be attached to declaration

14:14:07 [john]

Josema: social media tools helped build engagement

14:14:22 [john]

Josema: project was a good experience

14:14:43 [john]

q+

14:14:56 [josema]

ack jo

14:15:42 [john]

http://transport.data.gov.uk/0/id/road/M5

14:16:02 [Daniel_Bennett]

oooh secret gov. data

14:16:16 [john]

or http://services.data.gov.uk/sparql

14:16:28 [Daniel_Bennett]

hmmmm. rdf data

14:17:20 [josema]

congrats!!!

14:17:32 [john]

I know - it's not secret, just not announced

14:18:13 [josema]

next meeting: Aug, 19th

14:18:20 [josema]

next scribe: daniel

14:18:20 [AdamHarvey]

Thanks Daniel.

14:18:23 [john]

Daniel: I'll scribe

14:18:41 [josema]

[ADJOURNED]

14:18:48 [AdamHarvey]

hasta luego!

14:18:57 [Zakim]

-Daniel_Bennett

14:19:00 [Zakim]

-rachel

14:19:11 [Zakim]

-Owen

14:19:17 [Zakim]

-AdamHarvey

14:19:20 [josema]

zakim, who's here?

14:19:20 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Josema, kevin, brand, john

14:19:21 [Zakim]

On IRC I see john, Daniel_Bennett, AdamHarvey, RRSAgent, kevin, Zakim, josema, trackbot, hughb

14:19:25 [josema]

zakim, drop brand

14:19:25 [Zakim]

brand is being disconnected

14:19:26 [Zakim]

-brand

14:19:32 [josema]

zakim, who's here?

14:19:32 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Josema, kevin, john

14:19:35 [Zakim]

On IRC I see john, Daniel_Bennett, RRSAgent, kevin, Zakim, josema, trackbot, hughb

14:20:58 [josema]

rrsagent, make minutes

14:20:58 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-minutes.html josema

14:26:05 [Zakim]

-Josema

14:26:07 [Zakim]

-john

14:26:20 [josema]

zakim, drop kevin

14:26:20 [Zakim]

kevin is being disconnected

14:26:21 [Zakim]

T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended

14:26:22 [Zakim]

Attendees were +073411aaaa, +1.509.464.aabb, +1.202.626.aacc, +1.509.464.aadd, +1.216.443.aaee, Josema, +1.202.626.aaff, +1.509.464.aagg, +1.216.443.aahh, +1.202.564.aaii,

14:26:25 [Zakim]

... +1.216.443.aajj, AdamHarvey, hughb, rachel, Owen, kevin, brand, +1.202.449.aakk, Daniel_Bennett, john

14:27:38 [josema]

rrsagent, make minutes public

14:27:38 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help

14:27:48 [josema]

rrsagent, make logs public

14:28:41 [josema]

zakim, bye

14:28:41 [Zakim]

Zakim has left #egov

14:28:48 [josema]

rrsagent, bye

14:28:48 [RRSAgent]

I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-actions.rdf :

14:28:48 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: adam to draft diagrams for the data.gov.* memo [1]

14:28:48 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-irc#T13-28-47

14:28:48 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: daniel to draft diagrams for the data.gov.* memo [2]

14:28:48 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-irc#T13-28-57

14:28:48 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: daniel to draft memo text based on what is there already [3]

14:28:48 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-irc#T13-32-14

14:28:48 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: adam to draft memo text based on what is there already [4]

14:28:48 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-irc#T13-32-21

14:28:48 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: josema to produce HTML diff so IG could see W3M Review changes [5]

14:28:48 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-irc#T13-41-13

14:28:48 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: daniel to take a look at eGov home design [6]

14:28:48 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-irc#T13-57-53

14:28:48 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: adam to take a look at eGov home design [7]

14:28:48 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-egov-irc#T13-58-06