IRC log of swxg on 2009-07-15
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- 13:02:18 [jsalvachua]
- zakim aabb is me
- 13:02:26 [matt]
- zakim, aabb is jsalvachua
- 13:02:26 [Zakim]
- +jsalvachua; got it
- 13:02:33 [Zakim]
- +??P1
- 13:02:37 [jsalvachua]
- oh i see ;)
- 13:02:42 [jsalvachua]
- thanks matt
- 13:03:01 [Zakim]
- -??P1
- 13:03:05 [tpa]
- Zakim, what's on the agenda?
- 13:03:05 [Zakim]
- I see nothing on the agenda
- 13:03:20 [tpa]
- agenda+ Convene SWXG WG meeting of 2009-07-15T13:00-15:00Z
- 13:03:28 [tpa]
- agenda+ General Organization and Task Forces
- 13:03:29 [DKA]
- chair: DKA
- 13:03:33 [tpa]
- agenda+ User Stories
- 13:03:39 [tpa]
- agenda+ Invited Guest Invitations
- 13:03:43 [Zakim]
- +??P1
- 13:03:44 [tpa]
- agenda+ Social Network Matrix
- 13:03:50 [tpa]
- agenda+ Invited Speaker: Simon Tennant from Buddycloud (OSLO)
- 13:03:55 [tpa]
- agenda+ Matt Womer (W3C) on W3C Geolocation Work
- 13:04:10 [Zakim]
- +??P2
- 13:04:22 [tpa]
- Zakim, what's on the agenda?
- 13:04:22 [Zakim]
- I see 7 items remaining on the agenda:
- 13:04:23 [Zakim]
- 1. Convene SWXG WG meeting of 2009-07-15T13:00-15:00Z [from tpa]
- 13:04:23 [hhalpin]
- Zakim, ??P2 is hhalpin
- 13:04:25 [Zakim]
- 2. General Organization and Task Forces [from tpa]
- 13:04:26 [Zakim]
- 3. User Stories [from tpa]
- 13:04:27 [Zakim]
- 4. Invited Guest Invitations [from tpa]
- 13:04:28 [Zakim]
- 5. Social Network Matrix [from tpa]
- 13:04:30 [Zakim]
- 6. Invited Speaker: Simon Tennant from Buddycloud (OSLO) [from tpa]
- 13:04:31 [Zakim]
- 7. Matt Womer (W3C) on W3C Geolocation Work [from tpa]
- 13:04:33 [Zakim]
- +hhalpin; got it
- 13:04:52 [melvster]
- Zakim, +??P1 is me
- 13:04:52 [Zakim]
- sorry, melvster, I do not recognize a party named '+??P1'
- 13:05:01 [hhalpin]
- scribe: hhalpin
- 13:05:13 [Zakim]
- + +0785583aacc
- 13:05:29 [tinkster]
- zakim, +0785583aacc is me
- 13:05:29 [Zakim]
- +tinkster; got it
- 13:05:30 [hhalpin]
- Minutes:
- 13:05:35 [tinkster]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:05:35 [Zakim]
- tinkster should now be muted
- 13:05:52 [Zakim]
- + +049178545aadd
- 13:05:54 [hhalpin]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/07/08-swxg-minutes.html
- 13:05:58 [Zakim]
- + +1.314.683.aaee
- 13:06:05 [cperey]
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- 13:06:08 [hhalpin]
- PROPOSED: Approve July 8th minutes?
- 13:06:14 [tinkster]
- +1
- 13:06:15 [tpa]
- +1
- 13:06:18 [oshani]
- +1
- 13:06:21 [hhalpin]
- RESOLVED: July 8th minutes approved.
- 13:06:33 [matt]
- zakim, who is present?
- 13:06:34 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, matt.
- 13:06:36 [matt]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:06:36 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see tpa, DKA, Matt (muted), oshani (muted), jsalvachua, ??P1, hhalpin, tinkster (muted), +049178545aadd, +1.314.683.aaee
- 13:06:39 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see cperey, RRSAgent, matt, jsalvachua, DKA, Zakim, tpa, oshani, hhalpin, melvster, Adam, danbri, tinkster, FabGandon, karl, AlexPassant, Cloud_, CaptSolo, trackbot, dom
- 13:06:44 [Zakim]
- + +1.617.848.aaff
- 13:06:48 [hhalpin]
- Note that DKA will be gone for 3 weeks following.
- 13:06:53 [hhalpin]
- next meeting
- 13:06:54 [tpa]
- Zakim, next agendum
- 13:06:54 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Convene SWXG WG meeting of 2009-07-15T13:00-15:00Z" taken up [from tpa]
- 13:06:56 [DKA]
- zakim, who's here?
- 13:06:57 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see tpa, DKA, Matt (muted), oshani (muted), jsalvachua, ??P1, hhalpin, tinkster (muted), +049178545aadd, +1.314.683.aaee, +1.617.848.aaff
- 13:06:59 [tpa]
- Zakim, next agendum
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- On IRC I see cperey, RRSAgent, matt, jsalvachua, DKA, Zakim, tpa, oshani, hhalpin, melvster, Adam, danbri, tinkster, FabGandon, karl, AlexPassant, Cloud_, CaptSolo, trackbot, dom
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- agendum 1 was just opened, tpa
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- Zakim, take up next agendum
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- agendum 1 was just opened, tpa
- 13:07:21 [hhalpin]
- SimonTenant: Signed in to talk about Oslo
- 13:07:25 [matt]
- zakim, aadd is SimonTenant
- 13:07:25 [Zakim]
- +SimonTenant; got it
- 13:07:27 [cperey]
- zakim, I am +1.617.848.aaff
- 13:07:27 [Zakim]
- +cperey; got it
- 13:07:39 [cperey]
- +1
- 13:07:41 [Zakim]
- +Kingsley_Idehen
- 13:07:51 [matt]
- zakim, aaee is Adam
- 13:07:51 [Zakim]
- +Adam; got it
- 13:07:58 [tpa]
- Zakim, close agendum 1
- 13:07:58 [Zakim]
- agendum 1, Convene SWXG WG meeting of 2009-07-15T13:00-15:00Z, closed
- 13:07:58 [MacTed]
- Zakim, Kingsley_Idehen is OpenLink_Software
- 13:07:59 [Zakim]
- I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 13:08:01 [Zakim]
- 2. General Organization and Task Forces [from tpa]
- 13:08:02 [Zakim]
- +OpenLink_Software; got it
- 13:08:08 [MacTed]
- Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily MacTed
- 13:08:08 [Zakim]
- +MacTed; got it
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- Zakim, mute me
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- MacTed should now be muted
- 13:08:35 [hhalpin]
- It doesn't appear Mischa is on the call
- 13:08:35 [melvster]
- Zakim, ??P1 is me
- 13:08:35 [Zakim]
- +melvster; got it
- 13:09:00 [hhalpin]
- [CONTINUTES] ACTION: Mischa to write up Soren and Jonathan's findings from last telecon for final report.
- 13:09:04 [Zakim]
- + +0798919aagg
- 13:09:17 [mischat]
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- - +0798919aagg
- 13:09:29 [tinkster]
- Aha, speak of the devil!
- 13:09:36 [hhalpin]
- [CONTINUES] ACTION: danbri circulate wookie proposal to the xg
- 13:10:02 [Zakim]
- + +0798919aahh
- 13:10:07 [tinkster]
- zakim, +0798919aagg is probably mischat
- 13:10:07 [Zakim]
- sorry, tinkster, I do not understand your question
- 13:10:19 [mischat]
- zakim, 0798919aahh is me
- 13:10:19 [Zakim]
- sorry, mischat, I do not recognize a party named '0798919aahh'
- 13:10:28 [matt]
- zakim, aahh is mischat
- 13:10:28 [Zakim]
- +mischat; got it
- 13:10:44 [mischat]
- hello all, I dont have voice today, I am sorry
- 13:10:49 [hhalpin]
- no problem mischa
- 13:10:52 [hhalpin]
- any luck on the actions?
- 13:11:03 [hhalpin]
- cperey: Note that Christley from Gypsii is next invited speaker
- 13:11:07 [mischat]
- nope I have been doing thesis, I will get them done by the next meeting
- 13:11:19 [tpa]
- Zakim, next agendum
- 13:11:19 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "General Organization and Task Forces" taken up [from tpa]
- 13:11:22 [hhalpin]
- hhalpin: I propose that we then focus on next meeting
- 13:11:30 [tpa]
- Zakim, really close this agendum
- 13:11:30 [Zakim]
- agendum 2 closed
- 13:11:31 [Zakim]
- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 13:11:33 [Zakim]
- 3. User Stories [from tpa]
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- Zakim, next agendum
- 13:12:41 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "User Stories" taken up [from tpa]
- 13:12:41 [cperey]
- My action was finished!
- 13:12:43 [Zakim]
- -SimonTenant
- 13:12:47 [Zakim]
- +Phil_Archer
- 13:12:47 [hhalpin]
- Zakim, next agendum
- 13:12:47 [cperey]
- about a month or 6 weeks ago
- 13:12:48 [Zakim]
- agendum 3 was just opened, hhalpin
- 13:12:51 [cperey]
- I tried to close it out
- 13:12:55 [tpa]
- Zakim, really close this agendum
- 13:12:55 [Zakim]
- agendum 3 closed
- 13:12:56 [Zakim]
- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 13:12:57 [Zakim]
- 4. Invited Guest Invitations [from tpa]
- 13:13:00 [cperey]
- but the service didn't "accept"
- 13:13:17 [Zakim]
- +SimonTenant
- 13:13:31 [hhalpin]
- cperey: I posted my list
- 13:13:39 [hhalpin]
- cperey: the main challenge is how do we integrate this list
- 13:13:56 [hhalpin]
- ... we should then leave them on.
- 13:14:03 [hhalpin]
- ... we have had list-serv discussions
- 13:14:10 [hhalpin]
- ... does it include content sharing services?
- 13:14:17 [hhalpin]
- ... should we have a W3C approved definition?
- 13:14:21 [hhalpin]
- ... An industry definition?
- 13:14:31 [hhalpin]
- ... we need a relevant open item.
- 13:15:22 [cperey]
- +1
- 13:15:31 [cperey]
- a principled way of doing metrics
- 13:15:35 [cperey]
- I"m really keen to do this
- 13:15:51 [mischat]
- +1
- 13:16:14 [cperey]
- harry will look at the schedule to see when we can have a metrics discussoin
- 13:16:15 [hhalpin]
- hhalpin: let's have a metric discussion
- 13:16:21 [hhalpin]
- DKA: have it for next week call
- 13:16:26 [cperey]
- I will not be available July 29
- 13:16:29 [hhalpin]
- DKA: Or for next call.
- 13:16:56 [hhalpin]
- cperey: relevant for next call
- 13:17:25 [hhalpin]
- hhalpin: useful summary report
- 13:17:37 [hhalpin]
- cperey: will push to list the past e-mails on this subject
- 13:17:37 [cperey]
- I will point to the past posts on this topic
- 13:17:54 [hhalpin]
- [CONTINUES] ACTION: danbri circulate wookie proposal to the xg
- 13:18:10 [hhalpin]
- [CONTINUES] ACTION:Mischa to describe/implement a report of terms and conditions, and how they change between now and the end of the XG.
- 13:18:20 [hhalpin]
- [DONE] ACTION: Sören to propose addition to the template for user stories for privacy conditions
- 13:18:31 [hhalpin]
- [CONTINUES] ACTION: adam to write up the boeing use case for enterprise social networks
- 13:18:41 [hhalpin]
- [CONTINUES] ACTION:hhalpin to write up the social network data exchange story
- 13:18:50 [hhalpin]
- [DONE] ACTION: danbri to write up widget business story.
- 13:19:01 [hhalpin]
- [DONE] ACTION: jsalvachua to write up business use-case with the company he's been working with.
- 13:19:13 [hhalpin]
- [CONTINUES] ACTION: danbri to write up widget business story.
- 13:19:26 [hhalpin]
- [CONTINUES] ACTION: tpa to look for similar use cases list to expand ours
- 13:19:33 [hhalpin]
- [CONTINUES] ACTION: tinkster to document danbri's microblogging provenance question as a user story.
- 13:19:36 [jsalvachua]
- i wrote, just in time, a first version its on the wiki
- 13:19:44 [hhalpin]
- yep, it's marked as done.
- 13:19:52 [hhalpin]
- DKA: Simon Tenant, guest spaker
- 13:20:09 [hhalpin]
- Simon Tenant: We are one of the founders of mobile start-up BuddyLand
- 13:20:20 [tinkster]
- s/BuddyLand/Buddycloud/
- 13:20:46 [hhalpin]
- Simon Tenant: Geolocation is one of the elements of the a larger product
- 13:20:57 [hhalpin]
- ... looked at Google's efforts
- 13:21:10 [hhalpin]
- ... applicaitons like Rumble, using location to recommend relevant restaurants
- 13:21:14 [mischat]
- is there a url for the OSLO alliance
- 13:21:16 [mischat]
- ?
- 13:21:17 [hhalpin]
- ... buddycloud shows you nearby friends
- 13:21:26 [hhalpin]
- ... we started talking between each other that
- 13:21:34 [hhalpin]
- ... we need to avoid an AOL IM scenario
- 13:21:40 [hhalpin]
- ... too many different ways to do this
- 13:21:46 [hhalpin]
- ... we wanted to come up with a way for this to be done
- 13:21:51 [hhalpin]
- ... about 30 similar companies
- 13:21:59 [hhalpin]
- ... it's where we've come from for OSLO.
- 13:22:20 [hhalpin]
- ... we have working code
- 13:22:25 [hhalpin]
- ... working federation now
- 13:22:30 [hhalpin]
- ... so its working quite well
- 13:22:37 [hhalpin]
- ... we're working through the teething problems
- 13:22:44 [hhalpin]
- ... we're not trying to reinvent the wheel
- 13:23:12 [hhalpin]
- ... we're on 13 signatories to first press release
- 13:23:18 [hhalpin]
- ... looking at best of breed activities.
- 13:23:23 [hhalpin]
- ... some talk of XMPP
- 13:23:27 [hhalpin]
- ... we run on top of XMPP
- 13:23:31 [oshani]
- mischat, http://digital.venturebeat.com/2009/02/23/oslo-alliance-wants-to-share-location-across-networks/ (from the agenda)
- 13:23:44 [mischat]
- thanks oshani
- 13:23:56 [hhalpin]
- ... we've applied a very light specification on top of XMPP.
- 13:23:57 [matt]
- -> http://code.google.com/p/oslo-protocol/ the code (I believe)
- 13:24:05 [hhalpin]
- .... these are the simple situations
- 13:24:11 [hhalpin]
- ... privacy, kickback of error
- 13:24:41 [hhalpin]
- SimonTentant: Light touch on top of exiting technologies, so within 2 months we have working code and federation between Akai-Akai and BuddyCloud
- 13:25:26 [hhalpin]
- ... we use XMPP to push this sort of stuff out
- 13:25:31 [hhalpin]
- ... similar to instant messenger list
- 13:25:36 [hhalpin]
- ... push location out in particular
- 13:25:47 [hhalpin]
- ... the other side, these networks rely on mobile phone
- 13:25:57 [hhalpin]
- ... these applications are running 24 seven
- 13:26:25 [hhalpin]
- ... but mobile phone batteries can't handle this
- 13:26:38 [hhalpin]
- ... by not default your not just popping up to everyone nearby
- 13:26:45 [hhalpin]
- ... but to people that allow them "opt-in"
- 13:26:52 [hhalpin]
- ... much more exciting for users
- 13:27:51 [hhalpin]
- ... great business driver
- 13:27:51 [DKA]
- Simon also noted: the increased number of users available via OSLO chairing is a business driver...
- 13:28:18 [hhalpin]
- Simon Tenant: We can finally see mobile location based advertising actually happen
- 13:28:31 [melvster]
- s/Tenant/Tennant
- 13:28:46 [mischat]
- ok hhalpin
- 13:28:51 [hhalpin]
- be back in one sec...
- 13:29:08 [DKA]
- scribeNick: mischat
- 13:29:16 [DKA]
- scribe: Mischa
- 13:29:17 [mischat]
- nearby advertisements is a driver
- 13:29:19 [Zakim]
- -hhalpin
- 13:29:33 [mischat]
- OSLO is a way to help standardise location-sharing in real-time
- 13:29:50 [mischat]
- oslo is open, no master list of companies which can join
- 13:30:31 [mischat]
- to join all you have to do is publish a statement in dns saying that you can share geo location
- 13:30:57 [mischat]
- there is a trust network, networks can dictate which other networks they wish to share with
- 13:31:18 [mischat]
- users are in control of who they share their location with
- 13:31:20 [matt]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 13:31:20 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-swxg-minutes.html matt
- 13:31:20 [DKA]
- q+ to ask if these principles of user choice etc... are written down anywhere?
- 13:31:38 [matt]
- rrsagent, make logs public
- 13:31:50 [mischat]
- user love sharing location, just like facebook, can live with out
- 13:32:02 [hhalpin]
- hhalpin has joined #swxg
- 13:32:05 [mischat]
- privacy policies, users should always be able to opt-out of sharing location
- 13:32:40 [mischat]
- as well as giving user a level of granularity to control who they share their location with
- 13:32:50 [mischat]
- oslo plan to release code in the next couple of weeks
- 13:33:36 [mischat]
- oslo allows people to share location between networks
- 13:33:40 [matt]
- Meeting: Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference
- 13:33:47 [matt]
- Chair: DKA, hhalpin
- 13:33:49 [mischat]
- oslo should scale,
- 13:35:03 [matt]
- q+ to ask about Google code link, is that where everything is happening?
- 13:35:10 [tpa]
- tpa has joined #swxg
- 13:35:37 [mischat]
- question from DKA (?) you talk about user's ability to select which networks to share with, and how networks can decide to who other networks to share with, have you owriten this up ?
- 13:35:40 [matt]
- ack me
- 13:35:41 [Zakim]
- matt, you wanted to ask about Google code link, is that where everything is happening?
- 13:35:45 [DKA]
- ack matt
- 13:36:03 [mischat]
- answer: no not yet, but good idea, and oslo should write this up
- 13:36:05 [tinkster]
- here again - http://code.google.com/p/oslo-protocol/
- 13:36:28 [mischat]
- question matt: is all of the work happening at the code.google.com url above ^^?
- 13:36:45 [matt]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:36:45 [Zakim]
- Matt should now be muted
- 13:36:45 [mischat]
- answer : yes, but we need to commit to svn more often
- 13:37:00 [mischat]
- question matt: Have you thought about taking this a standards body ?
- 13:37:18 [lkagal]
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- 13:38:19 [mischat]
- answer: oslo doesn't state how you get your location, this is up the client/user, oslo is more about best practises when it comes to sharing location
- 13:38:41 [matt]
- zakim, who is noisy?
- 13:38:52 [Zakim]
- matt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: SimonTenant (34%), DKA (59%)
- 13:39:05 [tinkster]
- OSLO = server-to-server communication of location, rather than user-to-server or user-to-user.
- 13:39:13 [jsalvachua]
- i agree is a wonderful work.
- 13:39:15 [oshani]
- q+ to ask about location history
- 13:39:23 [matt]
- q?
- 13:39:35 [matt]
- ack DKA
- 13:39:35 [Zakim]
- DKA, you wanted to ask if these principles of user choice etc... are written down anywhere?
- 13:40:54 [mischat]
- so much more context about a user, other than just location, would be nice to be able to share more than just location, oslo would like integrate/be involved with any other context sharing
- 13:41:26 [Zakim]
- oshani, you wanted to ask about location history
- 13:41:50 [mischat]
- oslo hasn't created lots of code, BSD license, based on XMPP and other open technologies
- 13:42:23 [mischat]
- question oshani : does oslo handle location history ?
- 13:42:40 [mischat]
- answer: oslo is about real-time sharing of location
- 13:42:48 [cperey]
- sounds like location history saving policies are a place for user education/best practices
- 13:43:00 [tinkster]
- A "time to live" on each piece of location data?
- 13:43:03 [melvster]
- oslo-protocol nearby object query spec: http://code.google.com/p/oslo-protocol/wiki/NearbyObjectQuerySpec
- 13:43:22 [mischat]
- you have to trust your friends to not store/create histories of ones location
- 13:43:38 [matt]
- zakim, unmute me
- 13:43:38 [Zakim]
- Matt should no longer be muted
- 13:43:58 [matt]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2008/geolocation/
- 13:44:14 [mischat]
- introduces matt, w3c team contact for geolocation working group
- 13:44:36 [mischat]
- they outputted the javascript geolocation API
- 13:44:43 [matt]
- -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-geolocation-API-20090707/ Last Call WD
- 13:44:49 [mischat]
- the last call was last week
- 13:45:14 [mischat]
- there is a public geolocation API mailing list
- 13:45:43 [mischat]
- the API is entirely based on javascript
- 13:46:06 [mischat]
- it is implemented in Opera, Safari, andriod, google gears plugin
- 13:46:17 [mischat]
- and ff3.5 all implementing the geo location API
- 13:46:40 [mischat]
- API is very simple, the ability to get a one shot geo-location, and it can be used to track your position
- 13:46:57 [matt]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-geolocation-API-20090707/#security
- 13:47:00 [mischat]
- it is only a client side specification
- 13:47:18 [mischat]
- privacy is only considered at a wording level
- 13:47:34 [Zakim]
- +??P2
- 13:47:44 [AlexPassant]
- Zakim, ??P2 is me
- 13:47:44 [Zakim]
- +AlexPassant; got it
- 13:47:50 [mischat]
- you can try this out with google maps, and ff 3.5
- 13:47:59 [mischat]
- you should be able to see where you are
- 13:48:35 [mischat]
- the geolocation API does not dictate how the user's location is located
- 13:49:05 [mischat]
- it could get the location from wifi-triangulation, based on IP address gazatteer
- 13:49:35 [Zakim]
- -SimonTenant
- 13:49:38 [Zakim]
- +??P18
- 13:49:45 [hhalpin]
- Zakim, ??P18 is hhalpin
- 13:49:45 [Zakim]
- +hhalpin; got it
- 13:49:48 [mischat]
- currently considering more address based location descriptions, other than just lat/long
- 13:50:11 [mischat]
- for example, I am near a coffee shop, or near this address
- 13:50:17 [mischat]
- sure hhalpin
- 13:50:38 [hhalpin]
- DKA: has the group talked around any scenarios about privacy?
- 13:50:44 [Zakim]
- +??P3
- 13:51:11 [hhalpin]
- Matt: privacy is about 90 percent of the volume on the mailing list
- 13:51:30 [hhalpin]
- matt: we've tried to go a number of ways
- 13:51:37 [hhalpin]
- matt: IETF geopriv people came in
- 13:51:48 [hhalpin]
- ... completely different use-cases
- 13:51:57 [hhalpin]
- ... they were more towards how location is shared on wire
- 13:52:01 [hhalpin]
- ... emergency services
- 13:52:11 [hhalpin]
- ... a service built into a cable modem
- 13:52:13 [oshani]
- here's one use case I drafted on the wiki based on geo location: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Inferences_on_location_based_contextual_data
- 13:52:16 [hhalpin]
- ... life or death issues
- 13:52:24 [hhalpin]
- ... in contrast, we are dealing with different use-cases
- 13:52:33 [hhalpin]
- ... we are talking about "find me the nearest starbucks"
- 13:52:46 [hhalpin]
- ... completely different privacy needs there
- 13:52:56 [hhalpin]
- ... we thought about including in API the user's privacy preferences
- 13:53:00 [tinkster]
- Probably not going to use Javascript to report life-or-death emergencies.
- 13:53:23 [hhalpin]
- ... including rights within the API
- 13:53:42 [hhalpin]
- ... but bad people will do bad things and we cannot stop them with the API but we will let browser take care of it.
- 13:54:09 [hhalpin]
- ... otherwise, we ended up not including most discussed privacy work
- 13:54:15 [hhalpin]
- ... we imagine other device APIs
- 13:54:22 [hhalpin]
- ... so now we have a Device API and Privacy WG
- 13:54:33 [dom]
- s/Privacy/Policy/
- 13:54:35 [hhalpin]
- ... we don't want each API to have a different take on privacy
- 13:55:24 [hhalpin]
- DKA: I understand that the geolocation API decided not to deal with the question in the WG
- 13:56:01 [hhalpin]
- ... is there anywhere we in this XG should look to harvest some of this privacy related work?
- 13:56:11 [DKA]
- q?
- 13:57:04 [DKA]
- Simon
- 13:57:12 [hhalpin]
- Simon: the demos I've seen have always used Skyhooks
- 13:57:19 [hhalpin]
- SimonTenant: Why not use BuddyCloud?
- 13:57:28 [hhalpin]
- Matt: We didn't include hooks for this in the API
- 13:57:44 [hhalpin]
- ...: How much knowledge do we expect users to have
- 13:57:57 [hhalpin]
- matt: again, we punted this to the browser
- 13:58:14 [hhalpin]
- ... so the google gears plug-in is the editor
- 13:58:27 [hhalpin]
- ... of the geolocation APIgoogle gears has a lot of work on this
- 13:58:53 [hhalpin]
- ... mozilla's implementation allows users to change this
- 13:58:57 [hhalpin]
- ... had some JSON specification
- 13:59:02 [hhalpin]
- ... but not baked into API.
- 13:59:13 [tinkster]
- Geolocation API = assumes that the browser knows where the user is located, and provides an API to allow Javascript to access it.
- 13:59:14 [hhalpin]
- SimonTenant: Thanks!
- 13:59:23 [hhalpin]
- q+
- 13:59:30 [DKA]
- ack hh
- 14:00:28 [Zakim]
- -jsalvachua
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- 14:00:42 [hhalpin]
- hhalpin: long term prospects for interoperability, given convergence of browser and mobile
- 14:01:11 [hhalpin]
- Simon: We have a specification to get location, and another one to continously sharing
- 14:01:28 [tinkster]
- To an extent, as they each use WGS84, they're already pretty interoperable.
- 14:01:29 [hhalpin]
- Simon: There is nothing to prevent Oslo to use geolocation API to get the location, and then sharing it via Oslo.
- 14:01:39 [hhalpin]
- matt: we could not have said it better
- 14:02:06 [hhalpin]
- ... they work well together
- 14:02:15 [hhalpin]
- thanks!
- 14:02:28 [hhalpin]
- DKA: Thanks for coming on the call
- 14:02:38 [matt]
- Thanks for having us!
- 14:02:50 [cperey]
- are these speakers going to be joining teh SWXG mailing list?
- 14:03:14 [cperey]
- the topic of context will be increasingly important
- 14:03:15 [matt]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-geolocation/ Geolocation WG's mailing list
- 14:03:27 [hhalpin]
- we should definitely get someone on that geolocation WG list.
- 14:05:06 [Zakim]
- -cperey
- 14:05:13 [mischat]
- bye all
- 14:05:16 [Adam]
- thank you to the speakers!
- 14:05:20 [Zakim]
- -mischat
- 14:05:21 [Zakim]
- -Adam
- 14:05:21 [Zakim]
- -tpa
- 14:05:24 [Zakim]
- -tinkster
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- -Matt
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- 14:05:27 [hhalpin]
- ACTION: DKA to summarize OSLO and geoLocation conversation in order to spread knowledge of these efforts among W3C members.
- 14:05:27 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-58 - Summarize OSLO and geoLocation conversation in order to spread knowledge of these efforts among W3C members. [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2009-07-22].
- 14:05:27 [Zakim]
- -DKA
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- -Phil_Archer
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- -??P3
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- -AlexPassant
- 14:05:33 [Zakim]
- -MacTed
- 14:05:34 [Zakim]
- -melvster
- 14:05:34 [hhalpin]
- RRSAgent, generate minutes
- 14:05:34 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-swxg-minutes.html hhalpin
- 14:05:40 [hhalpin]
- RRSAgent, make logs public
- 14:06:17 [hhalpin]
- RRSAgent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-swxg-minutes.html hhalpin
- 14:07:00 [hhalpin]
- take care!
- 14:08:20 [Zakim]
- -hhalpin
- 14:10:19 [matt]
- i/sure hh/Scribe: hhalpin/
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- 14:10:22 [matt]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 14:10:22 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-swxg-minutes.html matt
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- disconnecting the lone participant, oshani, in INC_SWXG()9:00AM
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- Attendees were +63.59.2.aaaa, DKA, tpa, Matt, oshani, +34.91.549.aabb, jsalvachua, hhalpin, tinkster, +049178545aadd, +1.314.683.aaee, +1.617.848.aaff, SimonTenant, cperey, Adam,
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- ... MacTed, melvster, +0798919aagg, +0798919aahh, mischat, Phil_Archer, AlexPassant
- 16:19:40 [tinkster]
- Well, oshani, Zakim has saved you an enormous phone bill then.
- 16:21:14 [oshani]
- tinkster, MIT's phone bill actually :)
- 16:21:37 [oshani]
- The phone started rebooting half-way through the call and I thought I'd disconneted
- 16:21:52 [oshani]
- not sure what happened
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