13:23:55 RRSAgent has joined #bpwg 13:23:55 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/07/14-bpwg-irc 13:24:03 Zakim has joined #bpwg 13:24:17 zakim, this will be BPWG 13:24:17 ok, PhilA2; I see MWI_BPWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes 13:24:46 Topic: Mobile Web Best Practices Weekly telecon 13:25:44 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Jul/0038.html 13:27:01 jo has joined #bpwg 13:27:04 MWI_BPWG()9:30AM has now started 13:27:11 +??P5 13:27:21 zakim, code? 13:27:21 the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jo 13:27:28 brucel has joined #bpwg 13:28:12 + +03531522aaaa 13:28:22 zakim, aaaa is me 13:28:22 +jo; got it 13:28:54 +Phil_Archer 13:30:04 please excuse noise from my phone; neighbours are having extension built 13:30:19 + +0774811aabb 13:30:31 zakim, aabb is DKA 13:30:31 +DKA; got it 13:30:54 zakim, who is here? 13:30:54 On the phone I see ??P5, jo, Phil_Archer, DKA 13:30:54 and the builders seemed to show little regard for the importance of our deliberations 13:30:55 On IRC I see brucel, jo, Zakim, RRSAgent, PhilA2, DKA, trackbot 13:31:06 EdC has joined #bpwg 13:31:45 + +41.31.972.aacc 13:31:49 zakim, ??p5 is brucel 13:31:49 +brucel; got it 13:32:26 zakim, who is here? 13:32:26 On the phone I see brucel, jo, Phil_Archer, DKA, +41.31.972.aacc 13:32:27 On IRC I see EdC, brucel, jo, Zakim, RRSAgent, PhilA2, DKA, trackbot 13:32:35 zakim, aacc is edc 13:32:35 +edc; got it 13:34:55 zakim, who is here? 13:34:55 On the phone I see brucel, jo, Phil_Archer, DKA, edc 13:34:56 On IRC I see EdC, brucel, jo, Zakim, RRSAgent, PhilA2, DKA, trackbot 13:35:46 regrets: François, Sangwhan Moon, Miguel Garcia, Tom Hume, Yeliz Yesilada, Ignacio Marín 13:35:56 scribe: PhilA 13:36:00 scribeNick: PhilA 13:36:14 jsmanrique has joined #bpwg 13:36:16 Topic: Administrativa 13:36:30 Topic: Overlap between Accessibility and MWBP published. 13:36:33 +1 hurrah 13:36:35 DKA: Hurrah! 13:36:49 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/bpwg-summer09/ 13:36:51 +josema 13:37:12 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Jul/0038.html 13:37:13 s/http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/bpwg-summer09// 13:37:45 DKA: Anything else to say about it? 13:37:56 DKA: Anything we need to monitor for feedback? 13:38:02 s/scribeNick: PhilA/scribeNick: PhilA2/ 13:38:05 No responses... 13:38:15 Topic: Summer schedule 13:38:27 DKA: Please fill out the form at http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/bpwg-summer09/ 13:38:32 DKA: Like I haven't 13:38:46 cgi-irc has joined #bpwg 13:38:59 DKA: Results look as if we have 28 July and 4 Aug will have low numbers 13:39:06 zakim, code? 13:39:06 the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), adam 13:39:22 DKA: Perhaps resolve to cancel calls those days? 13:39:49 DKA: Let's run it on 21 and 28 July 13:39:53 + +0207881aadd 13:39:58 DKA: No Jo on 4 or 11th 13:39:59 zakim, aadd is me 13:39:59 +adam; got it 13:40:14 DKA: François might chair on 18th 13:40:27 DKA: so we might just cancel 4 Aug 13:40:32 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We cancel the August 4th teleconf. 13:40:34 Jo: When is Adam around? 13:40:48 Adam: I think next Tuesday (21) is the only one I can't make 13:41:05 Jo: Let's hold them as much as possible 13:41:16 DKA: PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We cancel the August 4th teleconf. 13:41:21 +1 13:41:23 +1 13:41:28 +1 13:41:28 +1 13:41:30 RESOLUTION: We cancel the August 4th teleconf. 13:41:46 DKA: François will need to chair on 11 August 13:41:58 Francois will have to chair the 11th of August call... (hi Francois!) 13:42:13 [that should read: we request that Francois kindly chairs ...] 13:42:48 Topic: Update from Adam on MWABP 13:43:10 Adam: I'm sorry - I didn't get around to the desirable goals stuff. It will be done tomorrow 13:43:32 Adam: I hereby solemnly swear I will post something on this tomorrow 13:43:46 ISSUE-292? 13:43:46 ISSUE-292 -- Need example of use of Fragment ID and Brwoser History -- OPEN 13:43:46 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/292 13:44:03 ISSUE-293? 13:44:03 ISSUE-293 -- Should there be a Best Practice noting that pixel density on mobile devices is typically greater than desktop? or is BP1 [MEASURES] sufficient? -- OPEN 13:44:03 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/293 13:44:20 close ISSUE-292 13:44:20 ISSUE-292 Need example of use of Fragment ID and Brwoser History closed 13:44:24 Adam: That can be closed 13:44:33 Jo: 293 is also unassigned 13:45:10 DKA: This has been around since 25 March and seems to be silent 13:45:25 ... doesn't say who raised it (probably FD) 13:46:54 DKA: I don't think this is really relevant to MWABP 13:47:17 ... it might have been somthing for BP in the DDC discussion but doesn't seem like it's a mobile web app or advanced capability issue 13:47:18 SeanP has joined #bpwg 13:47:39 DKA: PROPOSED RESOLUTION - close issue 293 13:47:45 +1 13:47:46 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: close issue-293 and do nothing here regarding pixel density in MWABP. 13:47:49 +1 13:47:54 ISSUE-297? 13:47:54 ISSUE-297 -- Should we have a BP on appcache? -- OPEN 13:47:54 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/297 13:47:57 0 13:48:01 RESOLUTION: close issue-293 and do nothing here regarding pixel density in MWABP. 13:48:11 close ISSUE-293 13:48:11 ISSUE-293 Should there be a Best Practice noting that pixel density on mobile devices is typically greater than desktop? or is BP1 [MEASURES] sufficient? closed 13:48:31 Topic: Issue 297 13:48:34 Adam: this is done 13:48:39 close ISSUE-297 13:48:39 ISSUE-297 Should we have a BP on appcache? closed 13:48:45 + +1.630.414.aaee 13:48:54 Zakim, aaee is me 13:48:54 +SeanP; got it 13:49:45 Jo: We have only 6 open issues, 2 on mOK scheme 13:49:59 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Close Issue-250 and issue-283 13:49:59 close ISSUE-250 13:49:59 ISSUE-250 The mobileOK License closed 13:50:07 Jo: Shall I just close them? 13:50:10 close ISSUE-283 13:50:10 ISSUE-283 a microformat for mobileOK trustmark closed 13:50:15 +1 13:50:20 RESOLUTION: Close Issue-250 and issue-283 13:50:38 DKA: So that leaves 4 open issues, one of which is the desirable goals thing that we've talked about 13:51:05 DKA: WE really do have an open issue (294) around Media Queries 13:51:15 DKA: Jo nad Dan agree that it is an issue 13:51:20 s/nad/and/ 13:51:40 Jo: we have lots of open action items 13:51:46 DKA: We mostly looked at issues last week 13:51:56 DKA: Shall we talk about Media Queries? 13:52:06 yes! they all shouted 13:52:12 Topic: Media Queries in MWABP 13:52:26 DKA: Lots of different points of view on the mailing list 13:52:49 ... I'd like to find a way to include some good info on MQ 13:53:02 ... it'll be a disservice to our audience if we don't include info on it 13:53:08 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Mention that anything you can do with CSS media queries is more conveniently done somehow else 13:53:18 ... but neither shoudl we propose them as a panacea 13:53:35 permission to speak? 13:53:44 q+ brucel 13:53:51 DKA: My porposal is that we put somne text in the doc that shows that can be done and also include a note that implementation is not uniform 13:54:02 ack bru 13:54:03 ... does that make sense as a framework? 13:54:27 bruce: Yes, it makes sense. I wrote some stuff on the list that developers might find this simpler to implement 13:54:43 ... but for what they are can be considerably simpler than JS and server-side detect 13:54:49 ... I've found them useful 13:55:33 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: enumerate some examples of how CSS media queries can be effectively used (based on our discussion on-list), and then include a warning about the varied level of implementation across different user agents... 13:56:20 Adam:L I don't see that MQ is any more or less supported than otehr things we talk about 13:56:38 DKA: But someone might look at the spec andassume that MQ is widely and uniformly supported 13:56:38 q about the warning: does it "date" the document, is that OK in a best practice document? 13:56:55 DKA: I think it might deserve special mention in this case 13:56:57 ack bru 13:57:00 q+ to mumble on a bit about this 13:57:24 Bruce: If we warn about implemetation or does that build in obsolescence 13:57:46 ack jo 13:57:46 jo, you wanted to mumble on a bit about this 13:57:47 DKA: We can say something like "at the time of writing, implementation is not uniform but we anticipate better support..." 13:57:52 :) 13:58:19 Jo: As Eduardo and I have said that there are few contexts where there isn't a simpler solution 13:58:31 q+ 13:58:33 Jo: I think we're shoving stuff in the doc for the sake of it 13:58:42 Jo: Eduardo? WDYT? 13:59:04 EdC; From what I have seen, the MQ is used to select the stylesheets and never used without resorting to MT 13:59:13 s/EdC;/EdC: 13:59:30 ... if you are doing some device switching logic, then do that on the server 13:59:50 ... if not, if you can't do it on the server, then I'm open minded whether JS or MQ is the better route 14:00:01 ... I'm not sure on that last point 14:00:19 ... Not sure that curent implementations of MQ can do what JS can do and vice versa 14:00:25 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: enumerate some examples of how CSS media queries can be effectively used (based on our discussion on-list), stressing that when these are used for media switching doing it on the server should be favored, and then include a warning about the varied level of implementation across different user agents... 14:00:34 q+ 14:00:39 ack adam 14:01:19 adam: To Jo's point - well, if MQ work in some cases then it seems preferable to me 14:01:26 .. (to JavaScript) 14:01:33 q+ to question whether there is any justification for thinking that a browser that supports media queries doesn't offer exactly the same functionality in JavaScript - and you can't really have a Mobile Web App without Javascript 14:01:40 ... I thinkm it's worth putting them in and saying 'consider using them' 14:01:53 ack brucel 14:01:55 ... as for EdC's comment then I would say it looks more maintainable and doable than JS 14:02:00 bruce: What Adam said 14:02:02 ack jo 14:02:09 PhilA: FWIW - +1 to Adam 14:02:18 jo, you wanted to question whether there is any justification for thinking that a browser that supports media queries doesn't offer exactly the same functionality in JavaScript - 14:02:23 ... and you can't really have a Mobile Web App without Javascript 14:02:38 q+ 14:02:42 Jo: it seems that this doc talks a lot about using JS and now we're saying don't use JS use this to achieve this end 14:02:54 ack ed 14:02:57 ack edc 14:03:42 q+ 14:03:58 DKA: I'm not sure why you have to sue the MT as well as the MQ 14:04:09 q? 14:04:10 s/sue/use/ 14:04:11 ... there seem to be examples on the list where you can use MQ without 14:04:23 EdC: the largest part of the usage is to select the stylesheet 14:04:40 EdC: For clients that don't support MQ then you use MT 14:05:03 EdC: But if that's the only way to do it on the client then OK 14:05:11 ... maybe give the links I gave as examples 14:05:27 .. those articles have extensive comments on what they can and can't achieve 14:05:34 q? 14:05:37 ack bru 14:06:22 bruce: Eduardo said that some agents don't handle MQ and you have to sue MT - true. but it seems to me that you're saying because you have to do something rubbish for clients that don't do this you have to do that instead 14:06:36 s/sue/use/ 14:06:52 ... to Jo's point - JS is clearly necessary for apps but not display - that's the job of CSS 14:07:28 ... selecting between typing a name and selecting from a list - that's JavaScript 14:07:41 .. but changing widths, colours etc. seems what CSS is for 14:07:43 q? 14:07:45 :) 14:07:52 q+ 14:07:59 [have nothing further to add] 14:08:00 ack phila 14:09:25 PhilA: Rambled on a bit about supprting use for MQ as a reasonable method 14:09:36 ... without saying thou shalt not use JS 14:09:53 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We should include information on use of CSS media queries, with some caveats (e.g. that it is preferred to do media switching on the server side and that the support for MQ at this time is highly variable). We should also warn people against use of media types. 14:10:18 WFM 14:10:37 DKA: I'm not trying to write the text here. We still recommend server-side switching where poissible 14:10:39 Warn people against use of media types: because devices have diverging interpretations thereof. 14:10:43 ... may want to include a warning on MT 14:10:57 +1 14:10:58 and we give it as an alternative to server-side JS heathrobinsonism without saying it's better 14:10:59 ... EdC is right, if you rely on MT you're not going to succceed 14:11:00 s/poissible/possible/ 14:11:08 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We should include information on use of CSS media queries, with some caveats (e.g. that it is preferred to do media switching on the server side and that the support for MQ at this time is highly variable). We should also warn people against use of media types. 14:11:17 +1 14:11:27 +1 14:11:48 +1 14:11:58 PhilA: Can we include the references EdC suggested? 14:12:00 DKA: Yes 14:12:09 Adam: I can write this up as a first pass 14:12:10 0 14:12:14 RESOLUTION: We should include information on use of CSS media queries, with some caveats (e.g. that it is preferred to do media switching on the server side and that the support for MQ at this time is highly variable). We should also warn people against use of media types. 14:12:39 action: Adam to write first text based on the listserve discussion of Media Queries 14:12:39 Created ACTION-997 - Write first text based on the listserve discussion of Media Queries [on Adam Connors - due 2009-07-21]. 14:12:52 DKA: Anything else on this? 14:13:09 DKA: Should we look at our action log? 14:13:18 Jo: Yes 14:13:47 -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/products/14 Open Actions on MWABP 14:13:48 Jo: offers to send Adam some spelling mistakes 14:14:18 ACTION-744 14:14:18 Create a placeholder capturing discussion under ISSUE-245 on the need for adaptation (not transformation) to realise BP-2 14:14:37 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Close ACTION-744 14:14:50 That was on Bryan back in April 14:15:08 DKA: The issue has been closed 14:15:12 Jo: Do we have any text? 14:15:40 Adam: I think this discussion pre-dates me being heavily involved 14:15:55 Jo: It ought to say somewhere - "unless you can do adaptation ..." 14:16:03 Close ACTION-744 14:16:03 ACTION-744 Create a placeholder capturing discussion under ISSUE-245 on the need for adaptation (not transformation) to realise BP-2 closed 14:16:05 Adam: Oh yes we have that 14:16:06 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Close ACTION-744 since we have wording in the doc anyway. 14:16:07 +1 14:16:12 +1 14:16:17 ACTION-786? 14:16:17 ACTION-786 -- Jo Rabin to draft wording for an appendix that identifies the aggregators and operator roles that are different in the mobile ecosystem. -- due 2008-06-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:16:17 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/786 14:16:20 RESOLUTION: Close ACTION-744 since we have wording in the doc anyway. 14:16:32 ACTION-786 14:16:32 Draft wording for an appendix that identifies the aggregators and operator roles that are different in the mobile ecosystem. 14:16:51 DKA: This is about aggregators operating in the mobile space 14:17:01 .. it's from June last year 14:17:25 DKA: is developing Stockholm Syndrome and will soon learn to love Big Brother Jo 14:17:40 DKA: I think it's closed 14:18:20 Jo: I think we should decide whether we need it or not 14:18:39 Jo: It's not obvious to everyone that the whole value chain for mobile is different 14:18:41 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Close ACTION-786 because this is out of scope for MWABP. 14:18:51 +1 14:18:52 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Close ACTION-786 because this is out of scope for MWABP. 14:19:15 DKA: You can go buy (my) book if you want to knoiw about mobile aggregators 14:19:28 +1 14:19:29 s/(my)// 14:19:32 +1 14:19:42 RESOLUTION: Close ACTION-786 because this is out of scope for MWABP. 14:19:52 close ACTION-786 14:19:52 ACTION-786 Draft wording for an appendix that identifies the aggregators and operator roles that are different in the mobile ecosystem. closed 14:19:55 close ACTION-786 14:19:55 ACTION-786 Draft wording for an appendix that identifies the aggregators and operator roles that are different in the mobile ecosystem. closed 14:20:11 ACTION-790 14:20:11 Produce some text around accessibility of Javascript for Web Application Best Practices 14:20:20 DKA: This was on Alan Chuter 14:20:37 ... where does this stand in the current document 14:20:49 Adam: I must have missed any text he sent 14:20:52 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0081.html 14:21:36 Adam: I hear the point, especially about hiding and showing differnet textures of content 14:22:01 ... but it starts to unravel - i.e. that BP may not be valid for screen readers but it may break other BPs 14:22:08 ... it makes life hard 14:22:37 ... I can add comments along the lines of "if you're concerned about accessibilty then beware of the consequences 14:23:46 action: Adam to extract some useful info from the discussion around ACTION-790 and add it to the doc 14:23:46 Created ACTION-998 - Extract some useful info from the discussion around ACTION-790 and add it to the doc [on Adam Connors - due 2009-07-21]. 14:23:59 Adam, happy to work with you r/e ARIA stuff 14:24:01 close ACTION-790 14:24:01 ACTION-790 Produce some text around accessibility of Javascript for Web Application Best Practices closed 14:24:15 Adam: For the record - I can add to the doc without any pain and nod to WCAG and ARAI 14:24:31 ... there's a potential new document for how to marry up these BPs with accessibility 14:24:48 DKA: Yes - nad it's out of (our) scope 14:24:57 s/ nad /and/g 14:25:02 q+ 14:25:06 ack bruce 14:25:07 ack bru 14:25:23 Bruce: As for the ARIA - is it such a big deal? I've been looking at it a lot 14:25:46 ACTION-794? 14:25:46 ACTION-794 -- Adam Connors to lead off discussion on ISSUE-265 following completion of next draft BP2 -- due 2008-07-17 -- OPEN 14:25:46 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/794 14:25:54 ... can't we just say "we draw your attention to ARIA which is a spec concerning screen readers" - not sure that we have to change much in the doc 14:26:18 Adam: I think at that level, you're right. 14:26:34 ... where it gets more complex if you hide content in JS that gets read out by the reader 14:26:48 ... but that's a big task to research that 14:27:11 Bruce: I can work with you on researching that in a couple of weeks 14:27:27 DKA: OK that'l comne under the action that Adam already has. 14:27:42 Adam: It would be good to have something to say about screen readers and JS 14:27:49 q+ to note that we'd like to go to LC *before* a couple of weeks have passed 14:27:55 Adam: I'll contact our GMail people about that too 14:27:57 ack jo 14:27:57 jo, you wanted to note that we'd like to go to LC *before* a couple of weeks have passed 14:28:23 Adam: Can we add stuff post -LC? 14:28:42 PhilA: Not really! 14:29:13 [we should not go to last call if we know we are going to make changes] 14:29:54 ACTION-794? 14:29:54 ACTION-794 -- Adam Connors to lead off discussion on ISSUE-265 following completion of next draft BP2 -- due 2008-07-17 -- OPEN 14:29:54 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/794 14:29:54 DKA: OK, so let's assume that Bruce's extra material will be editorial in nature 14:29:56 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Close ACTION-794 as ISSUE-265 is closed 14:30:05 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Close ACTION-794 as ISSUE-265 is closed 14:30:58 close ACTION-794 14:30:58 ACTION-794 Lead off discussion on ISSUE-265 following completion of next draft BP2 closed 14:31:11 RESOLUTION: Close ACTION-794 as ISSUE-265 is closed 14:31:18 ACTION-845? 14:31:18 ACTION-845 -- Kai Scheppe to finalize information on caching concept, now live, and contribute it to the list. -- due 2008-09-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:31:18 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/845 14:31:20 action-845? 14:31:20 ACTION-845 -- Kai Scheppe to finalize information on caching concept, now live, and contribute it to the list. -- due 2008-09-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:31:21 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/845 14:31:49 DKA: WE have some potential text that Kai suggested 14:31:56 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0052.html 14:32:01 s/WE /We /g 14:32:22 DKA: Adam, anything from that gone into the doc? 14:33:04 Adam: I think some of the details are low level and too tech 14:33:20 ... I think we have some good recommendations about caching. Not sure if current form is in scope 14:33:31 (noises off) 14:33:50 rrsagent, make logs public 14:34:03 DKA: So what shall we do? 14:34:12 Jo: I think we need to discuss it with Kai 14:34:25 Adam: we cover some of it in fingerprinting 14:34:32 ... it would be god to hear from Kai 14:35:33 action: DKA to feedback on action-845 14:35:33 Created ACTION-999 - Feedback on action-845 [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2009-07-21]. 14:36:16 ACTION-852? 14:36:16 ACTION-852 -- Bryan Sullivan to write a note to WSCWG asking for comment on using secure hashes for securing URL parameters. -- due 2008-10-03 -- OPEN 14:36:16 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/852 14:36:35 Adam: I think we can close this 14:36:35 close ACTION-852 14:36:35 ACTION-852 Write a note to WSCWG asking for comment on using secure hashes for securing URL parameters. closed 14:36:41 ... he wrote and got a reply 14:36:48 ACTION-854? 14:36:48 ACTION-854 -- Bryan Sullivan to raise his email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0087.html as an issue -- due 2008-10-03 -- OPEN 14:36:48 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/854 14:38:47 Jo: I think this is buried in the sands of time. I'd suggest we close it and move on 14:38:49 close ACTION-854 14:38:49 ACTION-854 Raise his email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0087.html as an issue closed 14:38:50 PROPOSED RESLUTION: Action-854 is buried in the sands of time. 14:38:54 +1 14:38:56 +1 14:39:01 RESLUTION: Action-854 is buried in the sands of time. 14:39:06 RESOLUTION: Action-854 is buried in the sands of time. 14:39:19 ACTION-855? 14:39:19 ACTION-855 -- Adam Connors to add an appendix on device info based on Bryan's contribution with a placeholder for additional device capabilities that are implied by the BP2 BPs. -- due 2008-10-03 -- OPEN 14:39:19 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/855 14:39:53 Adam: eerrrmmm 14:40:11 .. don't know what the content would be like for this. If someone wants to take this action off me? 14:40:17 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: close action-855 because Adam did it. 14:40:22 close ACTION-855 14:40:22 ACTION-855 Add an appendix on device info based on Bryan's contribution with a placeholder for additional device capabilities that are implied by the BP2 BPs. closed 14:40:23 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: close action-855 because Adam did it (hurrah). 14:40:27 ... No, hang on, I did it - BP device-dependent properties 14:40:30 .. it's in here 14:40:33 ACTION-873 14:40:37 RESOLUTION: close action-855 because Adam did it (hurrah). 14:40:40 ACTION-873? 14:40:40 ACTION-873 -- Daniel Appelquist to provide some words on conservative use of resources -- due 2008-10-28 -- OPEN 14:40:40 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/873 14:40:46 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:40:46 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/14-bpwg-minutes.html PhilA2 14:41:26 ACTION-876? 14:41:26 ACTION-876 -- Jeffrey Sonstein to send to Jeff list of test cases that Jeff can inflict on a grad student. -- due 2008-10-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:41:26 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/876 14:41:27 DKA: Keep that open on me, I may have time this week 14:41:38 ACTION-894? 14:41:38 ACTION-894 -- Adam Connors to review Alan's http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0081.html -- due 2009-01-15 -- OPEN 14:41:38 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/894 14:41:38 DKA: Let's keep that open as Jeff isn't here 14:41:55 Adam: This is the one we just talked about 14:42:03 close action-894 14:42:03 ACTION-894 Review Alan's http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0081.html closed 14:42:17 ACTION-898? 14:42:17 ACTION-898 -- Bruce Lawson to take lead on pointing out anything in the WebApps doc that we should be aware of and/or comment on -- due 2009-01-20 -- OPEN 14:42:18 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/898 14:42:26 q+ 14:42:50 close ACTION-898 14:42:50 ACTION-898 Take lead on pointing out anything in the WebApps doc that we should be aware of and/or comment on closed 14:42:51 ack brucel 14:42:58 Bruce: I think this is a reference to the widget packing spec that I was asked to look at and comment back on. I concluded that there was nothing for us to be concerned about 14:43:10 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We close action-898 and not worry our pretty heads about it. 14:43:12