<glazou> aaah

<glazou> np

<glazou> ok Bert

<scribe> ScribeNick: fantasai

Daniel: Bert, you sent two extra items

Agenda

Daniel: First one is about tpac
... Other is about F2F

<glazou> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/issues/108

Issue 108

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Interaction of border-image and border-radius

I'm reading clilley's email

I don't understand why it's unclear

fantasai: I don't see what's unclear here
... border-radius does not affect the border-image, but it is still used to define the clip areas for other things

<glazou> fantasai: disconnected...

<arronei> Sorry late regrets. Got pulled into a meeting. I am on IRC though

<dsinger_> Picture(s)?

<scribe> ACTION: fantasai reply to chrisL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/27-CSS-minutes.html#action01]

<glazou> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Tracker/issues/107

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Steve: He's talking about when ruby appears both above and below the text
... E.g. University with kana above and English below
... Our default is to put both the kana and the English above, and that doesn't make sense
... What he proposes is I think ok if I understand complex ruby correctlyk

fantasai: We still don't have an editor for Ruby, though
... Last editor was Paul Nelson, before that Michel Suignard

<glazou> arronei: can MSFT edit Ruby ?

<arronei> possibly. I will check with sylvain

Daniel: We have Steve's opinion, need others

fantasai: can ask i18n

<scribe> ACTION: Steve ask i18n for their opinion [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/27-CSS-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-145 - Ask i18n for their opinion [on Steve Zilles - due 2009-06-03].

<dsinger_> Zakim who is making noise?

<glazou> grrr the bridge does not let come back

<ChrisL> (sorry to be late, just got back from dentist)

<szilles> Daniel we cannot understand a word you say

<glazou> np

<glazou> hold on

<glazou> lol @ morse code

Discussion with Chris to bring him up to date on the border-radius/border-image issue

3rd Agenda Item

<glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009May/0200.html

fantasai: I think the issue about falling back from viewbox to width/height should be defined in SVG, it's not a CSS issue
... I don't know what to do about preserveAspectRatio

ChrisL: pAR is about negotiating between the SVG and the renderer
... They negotiate a size and the SVG figures out how to fill that size
... I think percentages make a lot of sense for dividing the SVG
... Rasterization should happen after stretching

fantasai: I think for border-image you basically treat it as pAR none

ChrisL: I want to do the partitioning and scaling on the vector geometry, and then rasterize it

fantasai: If the spec doesn't deal with images that have no intrinsic size, then that's an issue we should address. But the details of viewbox attributes vs width/height attributes should be in the SVG spec

<ChrisL> There needs to be a way to specify what size rendering of the svg s desired, for the usual case where its a scalable image without an intrinsic size

<ChrisL> fantasai, you suggested using the border box size as the size to render the svg

fantasai: I think I should change "CSS px units" to "vector coordinates"
... but other than that, you don't need to pick a size to be able to divide the SVG image
... and when you scale and place the images, you're using regions defined by the size of the element's border box
... that do not depend on the image

<scribe> ACTION: Chris check editor's draft for any needed changes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/27-CSS-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Chris

<trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ChrisWilson, clilley)

<scribe> ACTION: fantasai change "CSS px units" to "vector coordinates" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/27-CSS-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-146 - Change "CSS px units" to "vector coordinates" [on Elika Etemad - due 2009-06-03].

<ChrisL> -o-border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch;

<ChrisL> -icab-border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch;

<ChrisL> -khtml-border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch;

<ChrisL> -moz-border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch;

<ChrisL> -webkit-border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch;

<ChrisL> border-image: url("border.png") 27 27 27 27 round stretch;

Steve: Might help to come up with examples where the SVG stretches differently

<glazou> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009May/0184.html

fantasai: Bert's message says that the spec is clear on how @rules should be handled inside declaration blocks
... But the resolution was to change the spec so that they are parsed as invalid @rules rather than as invalid tokens
... So we don't have a proposal that implements the resolution

Bert: I thought the resolution was to change @page so that the @rules must appear at the end of the @page block
... not to change 2.1
... Surely we have more implementations of 2.1 than of @page

Daniel: So what do we do?

fantasai: well, we /have/ a resolution. If we want, we can reopen the issue
... but we should do that next week, not this week

F2F

Daniel: There are a lot of topics on the F2F meeting agenda page

Dnaiel: It would help a lot if people sent emails to say which topics they would like to discuss

Daniel and Peter will prepare the agenda tomorrow

http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/sophia-2009

Daniel: We would like to prepare an agenda by the end of the week, so please send your comments soon
... Is everyone attending all three days?

http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/sophia-2009

Howcome: I thought I wasn't coming, but I'm coming.

Daniel: In your emails, if you have a car let us know
... Carpool from Antibes, carpool from airport
... Bert wanted to know if everyone is staying for the visit to the library
... If you cannot come, please say

Molly, Anne, and fantasai will be staying near ERCIM

Daniel: If you did not notice, there will be a fee for attending TPAC
... If you register late it's $75
... Early it's $50/day
... So register early

Dsinger: I will want to attend both CSS and HTML5

Steve: I'm chairing a meeting on Thursday

Daniel: Do most of you prefer Mon-Tues?
... Bert, is there still time to change?
... Is everyone ok with 2 and 3 of November?
... Ok, let's try to change for 2nd and 3rd of November

Steve and Chris want to discuss the IPTV thing

with dsinger

<dsinger> I'm still on IRC

Steve: It seems to be mainly China, Japan, and Korea

will get discussed next week

Meeting closed

<glazou> sure

dsinger: no, no call :) just f2f

<glazou> that's enough :)

<ChrisL> although you could perhaps call in?

<dsinger> I'll try to keep IRC running

<ChrisL> 5-6pm France is 8-9am California, would that slot work for you?

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