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16:55:41 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:55:51 <kford> zakim, microsoft is kford
16:55:51 <Zakim> +kford; got it
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16:59:13 <jeanne> zakim, code?
16:59:13 <Zakim> the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jeanne
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16:59:39 <Jan> zakim, code?
16:59:39 <Zakim> the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Jan
16:59:51 <Zakim> +??P5
16:59:55 <sharper> zakim, ??P5 is sharper
16:59:55 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
17:00:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:00:58 <Jan> zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
17:00:58 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
17:03:49 <Zakim> +Kim_Patch
17:04:19 <Zakim> +??P12
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17:04:55 <AllanJ> zakim, P12 is really Mark_Hakkinen
17:04:55 <Zakim> sorry, AllanJ, I do not recognize a party named 'P12'
17:05:05 <AllanJ> zakim, ??P12 is really Mark_Hakkinen
17:05:05 <Zakim> +Mark_Hakkinen; got it
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17:05:15 <Zakim> + +1.425.895.aaaa
17:05:52 <AllanJ> zakim, aaaa is really Greg_Lowney
17:05:52 <Zakim> +Greg_Lowney; got it
17:09:09 <AllanJ> GL: Introduces self
17:15:45 <AllanJ> all: introductions
17:16:30 <AllanJ> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2009AprJun/0038.html
17:18:03 <kford> Group going through intros.
17:18:53 <kford> zakim, list agenda
17:18:53 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
17:19:37 <kford> Agenda+ Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)?
17:19:57 <kford> Agenda+ Survey Results 
17:19:57 <kford> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/200905
17:19:58 <kford> Agenda+ Survey Results 
17:19:58 <kford> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090505/
17:20:28 <kford> zakim close item 3
17:21:05 <kford> zakim take up item 1
17:21:26 <kford> zakim takeup item 2
17:21:40 <kford> zakim item 2
17:22:26 <kford> Scribe: kford
17:24:35 <kford> zakim, take up item 2
17:24:35 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Survey Results" taken up [from kford]
17:25:25 <kford> Taking up #38 Text Configuration
17:26:33 <kford> Jan Proposal 3.6.2 Text Scale Distinctions: when rendered text is rescaled, the user has the option to either preserve or remove distinctions in the relatives scales
17:26:33 <kford> of rendered text. (Level A) 
17:30:37 <Zakim> -Jan
17:30:56 <Zakim> +??P11
17:31:10 <AllanJ> KF: MH comment in survey. Requires AT. should expand to include Jan's wording
17:31:17 <Jan> zakim, ??P11 is really Jan
17:31:17 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
17:32:56 <AllanJ> JA: +1 Jan wording
17:33:08 <AllanJ> MH: +1 Jan wording
17:33:21 <kford> GL: In general proposal looks good.  One question does current proposal allow wiggle room that would allow multiple designs that might be good or bad.
17:34:50 <kford> GL: One can imaging scaling up all items at same rate.
17:35:26 <kford> G: Second is like a word draft mode.GL: Option 3 I want everything to scale at same relative percentages but don't make anything beyond size X.
17:35:46 <Jan> q+ to say also could set a floor
17:35:55 <kford> GL: Do we want a UA author to be able to do this?
17:36:11 <kford> GL: Capping size is more complicated.
17:36:34 <kford> KP: What I want is a particular type of text in one font and everything else in something eolse?
17:38:15 <AllanJ> KP: change size by class of text (headings, etc.)
17:39:35 <AllanJ> KF: this is a good idea. perhaps should have a requirement. build user css based on page
17:39:56 <kford> JR: Another thing to think about is that the user might not want something below size X.  I think we need to rewrite taking this all into consideration.
17:40:11 <AllanJ> JR: set floor and ceiling. need rewrite
17:40:33 <kford> GL: A floor and a ceiling are good ideas.  We have to think about the level that these are.  Setting everything to a given font may be easier.
17:40:56 <Jan> ack Jan
17:40:56 <Zakim> Jan, you wanted to say also could set a floor
17:41:13 <kford> GL: I could imagine the single size being level A and floor and ceiling being AA.
17:42:10 <kford> Some clarification around rendered text and whether this applies to content and UI.
17:42:27 <kford> As written this applied to rendered text.
17:44:58 <kford> Some discussion around how W3C specs could reference ISO standards and any plans.
17:46:44 <AllanJ> JR: can refence informationally to other standards
17:46:50 <kford> q+
17:47:51 <AllanJ> KF: Jan proposal, but many expansions, should rewrite.
17:47:58 <AllanJ> JA: summary: scale fonts, min/max, floor - bring anything smaller upto a min size,  remove distinctions when scaling,
17:49:21 <kford> Action: Greg to update 3.6.2 for text sizing.
17:49:21 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Greg
17:50:35 <kford> Next Up: #53 Allow users supplied stylesheets
17:53:28 <Jan> q+
17:53:49 <AllanJ> ack kford
17:53:56 <AllanJ> ack jan
17:54:37 <AllanJ> JR: what is data of user supplied style sheet
17:54:45 <AllanJ> KF: low
17:55:19 <AllanJ> users don't know about the ability, difficult to write a css
17:56:35 <kford> GL: When I worked on Windows we added a range of high contrast color schemes.  But we got a lot of complaints when there was part of the UI that the user couldn't customize.  While the number was low, for those who needed it it was critical.
17:58:14 <AllanJ> KF: What about the Kindle. should they have user style sheets.
17:58:32 <AllanJ> GL: if they wanted AA
17:59:03 <kford> Group is in agreement that user creating stylesheets being able to create is AA.
18:00:24 <AllanJ> KF: A switch or disable author CSS, AA is create apply user CSS
18:00:45 <Jan> +1
18:01:05 <Zakim> -Jan
18:01:27 <AllanJ> GL: be careful of and/or
18:03:13 <kford> Action: kford to update guideline on style sheets to reflect current thinking.
18:03:13 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - kford
18:03:38 <kford> Action: KFord to update guideline on stylesheets.
18:03:38 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - KFord
18:03:53 <AllanJ> Action: Kelly to rewrite 3.6.2  on style sheets to reflect current
18:03:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-182 - Rewrite 3.6.2  on style sheets to reflect current [on Kelly Ford - due 2009-05-14].
18:04:31 <kford> On to: #55 Clarify difference between 4.1.10 and 4.1.11
18:07:01 <kford> Group looking through survey comments.
18:14:06 <AllanJ> discussion of key precedence
18:14:24 <kford> Extensive discussion on keyboard behavior.  Ranged from access keys to conflicts and such.
18:14:31 <AllanJ> GL: user can change modifier keys
18:16:15 <KimPatch> I'm going to have to go at 2:30
18:16:32 <AllanJ> GL: change non-modifier, and/or change modifier key
18:22:09 <AllanJ> GL: saving keybinding changes for individual websites would be lots of overhead, perhaps AA
18:24:57 <Zakim> -Mark_Hakkinen
18:25:00 <Zakim> -Kim_Patch
18:25:09 <Zakim> -Greg_Lowney
18:25:20 <Zakim> -sharper
18:33:44 <Zakim> -kford
18:33:47 <Zakim> -Jeanne
18:33:48 <Zakim> -Allanj
18:33:48 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended
18:33:49 <Zakim> Attendees were kford, Allanj, Jeanne, sharper, Jan, Kim_Patch, Mark_Hakkinen, +1.425.895.aaaa, Greg_Lowney
18:38:19 <kford> rrsagent, amke minutes
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18:40:44 <kford> Chair: Jim_Annal
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18:41:41 <kford> Chair: Jim_allan
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18:47:02 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/07-ua-actions.rdf :
18:47:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Greg to update 3.6.2 for text sizing. [1]
18:47:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/07-ua-irc#T17-49-21
18:47:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: kford to update guideline on style sheets to reflect current thinking. [2]
18:47:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/07-ua-irc#T18-03-13
18:47:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: KFord to update guideline on stylesheets. [3]
18:47:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/07-ua-irc#T18-03-38
18:47:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Kelly to rewrite 3.6.2  on style sheets to reflect current [4]
18:47:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/07-ua-irc#T18-03-53