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<fsasaki> scribe: chris
<joakim> chair: Thierry
<joakim> scribe: Chris
<tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-mediaann-minutes.html
minutes are approved
volunteer for scribbing?
<pchampin> I can do it
Pierr will scribe
normal schedule for non-US people
starting next week
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
ACTION 43?
<trackbot> Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
thierry will take over action 43
ACTION 47 still pending
ACTION 54 still pending
ACTION 80?
joakim: follow-up on mailing list, can be closed
close ACTION-80
<trackbot> ACTION-80 With Felix to read http://www.adobe.com/devnet/xmp/pdfs/DynamicMediaXMPPartnerGuide.pdf and use it to see how XMP is actually used closed
close ACTION-93
<trackbot> ACTION-93 Work on the Ontology Draft to include the mapping table, conforming to pubrules. closed
ACTION 94
Thierry: discussed with Doug
... going to investigate the relation between the specification and our API
... ACTION is ongoing
Thierry: David Singer sent mail on one-way or
two-way directions of the mappings
... how to follow-up?
... would be good to have more participation of David on Apple formats and
mappings
<tmichel> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0084.html
<tmichel> any reaction to David's email ?
Thierry: is there interest for two-way mapping?
Joakim: two-way mapping might be difficult to use
generally
... each format should have specific threatment
... postpone to next phone conference
<scribe> ACTION: thierry to invite david to the phone conference [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-95 - Invite david to the phone conference [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-03-31].
Tobias: sent mail on removing comments
Thierry: agrees, first version of the document needs additional iterations
<tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/
Thierry: any other remarks?
Felix: likes the result
thierry included Raphael's comments on the mapping table
<veroniqueM> the table looks good, but why is the mapping with Dublin Core not written as a separate column? This is so from the start, but is there any rationale behind it?
Thierry used OpenOffice for conversion of exel to HTML
Joakim: formula need to be removed in the excell file
Thierry prefers one HTML page to ease navigation
<scribe> ACTION: Joakim to update the Media Ontology 1.0 draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-mediaann-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-96 - Update the Media Ontology 1.0 draft [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-03-31].
Joakim will take care of the comments of Tobias
Thierry: any other remarks on the table?
veronique: why are the Dublin Core properties inserted
Joakim: they are included in XMP spec
Thierry: implementation will be a strong criteria for deciding upon formats
Silvia suggested to make new questionnaire
Thierry: this questionnaire is an indication on
relevant formats
... so no additional questionnaire is needed
... comments?
another questionnaire would give about the same output
<pchampin> +1
veronique: questionnaire about adding the 2 additional formats
Thierry: who thinks the questionnaire is good enough?
+1
do we need a questionnaire to decide on the 2 additional formats (qt, itunes)?
<veroniqueM> +1 to PA
<hui> +1
Thierry: what question should be asked in a new questionnaire?
veronique: just ask peopl on the list if QT and iTunes should be added
+1
Thierry: would you like to see QT and iTunes to be included in the short list of formats
<fsasaki> +1
<tmichel> David: do you want to discuss the "two-way mapping" topic?
<scribe> ACTION: Thierry to send a mail to ask if people would like to see QT and iTunes to be included in the short list of formats [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-mediaann-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-97 - Send a mail to ask if people would like to see QT and iTunes to be included in the short list of formats [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-03-31].
Thierry: still missing some reviewers
... so far only 12 reviewers and not all formats are covered
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping_review
Veronique: if nobody is interested to review a
format leave it as is
... we will get feedback by the rest of the community
Thierry: by next F2F the reviewers should have a reviewing list
<joakim> +1
<scribe> ACTION: All reviewers to review the two formats before the Face-to-face meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-mediaann-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - All
Thierry: editors should include the version of
their formats
... editors should mention it in the wiki
Thierry: there was discussion about xmp:creatortool and dc:creator
Veronique: usage of SKOS allows to say that properties are related
Thierry: everybody agrees with the mapping?
Felix: included received comments
... update by Veronique on cultural heritage was also included
Thierry: any other updates needed?
Felix: no further comments received
Thierry will ask if everybody agrees with the current status of the requirements document
<scribe> ACTION: Thierry to ask the group for consensus on publishing the new version of the requirements draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-mediaann-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-98 - Ask the group for consensus on publishing the new version of the requirements draft [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-03-31].
Thierry: when do we plan publication of the first public draft of the ontology
Thierry suggests the end of april
<fsasaki> +1
+1
Thierry: mapping table will be discussed at the F2F-meeting
Joakim: schedule a publication date
Thierry: monday 27th of April?
... 28th of April
... XSLT will be applied on XML file to get HTML
... mapping table created as conversion of excel to html
Thierry: comments?
... comments on the proposal of Veronique and Tobias
Veronique: implementation consists of SKOS mapping between rdf-versions of XMP and DC
how will this be used for an operable implementation
Veronique: not sure how this mapping would be implemented
<fsasaki_> sorry, I just dropped off the phoneand have to go, but a question to tmichel: could you reserve a zakim bridge for the f2f? many thanks!
Wonsuk: how to map properties with different
syntactic nature
... for example XMP:author consisting of name and first name compared with the
dc:author which is a string
<tobias> Now I understand; we had this discussion weeks ago. But it stopped or we postponed it.
this was the problem of return values right?
<tobias> I guess, yes.
Wonsuk: It would be nice to have example on this problem in the mapping implementation
Veronique: sent a new version of the mappings with more SKOS relations
Wonsuk: add a description to the ontology defining/restricting the values of a property
Joakim: relates to the problem of flat vs hierarchically structured properties
<tobias> I have no solution also for this at the moment. People developed mapping templates for ontologies to deal with that.
<tobias> with SKOS we might not be able to handle these cases.
deal with this on the F2F meeting
Joakim: yes, should be discussed, hopefully a solution is found
+1
Veronique: we need examples of the problems
such examples should be part of the output of the f2f-meeting imo
<veroniqueM> they can be discussed on the list later too, I think
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