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CW: sent out draft - working on it this morning - few comments in minutes

XG Report

CW: skipped over question of "what is a rich web application" -- perhaps need to loop back a bit to address declarative languages for rich web applications
... prototyping early next year had been the plan, but perhaps have opportunity to begin first report with discussion of "what is a rich web application"
... re-read and think that the info is there, but needs to be compiled and conflated
... we are RWAB XG -- struck at TPAC about what other WGs doing; HTML5 not interested; Dave Raggett has new XG
... aim is that RWAB XG report that could trigger thinking across community
... what is need for RWA?
... evolution of web from content platform to application platform; HTML came from content-publishing background and incrementally changes, but current working groups are concentrating on cross-platform apps
... both API and format -- continuing need for someone in W3C to investigate this issue in detail, not ad hoc
... what do we mean by "rich"? stems from functionality; definition of "rich" can factor that - not enough to provide graphics (presentation) -- think from MVC PoV it is an application, and each level has its own levels of richness
... pre-fill screen intelligently in conformance with past actions, saved preferences, etc. --- functionality of interactino
... context feedback - what controls are active at any point and time
... rich graphics PoV is limited; open discussion of richness

GJR: sounds to me like ARIA for those who don't use AT

CW: performance benefits, accessibility benefits, persistence with local cache
... second section to broaden definition of RWA so people don't think about rich graphics, but providing data-, view-, control/logic aspects

<CharlieWiecha> see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-app-backplane/2008Dec/0000.html for paper draft outline

GJR: Rich Web Application equals "Smart" Web Application

CW: how does one build one
... architectural patterns
... sub-section for each? just made list of what could think of offhand, so please add
... MVC patterns trying to incorporate into ubiquity-xforms -- feeding data by ubiquity binding - MVC pattern
... using events coordinated across page so more transparent
... Mark Birbeck very keen on this;
... JackJ keen on what he's developed in SMIL paper: implicit coordination pattern
... Rahul's submissions pattern - other uses of mechanism (incremental data refresh, etc.)
... can fill out sections on patterns
... section on problem of platform support: how to deliver XML to client?
... javascript as tag library not model for page author - javascript in XML rather than XSLT
... ODF implement in client using javascript; vertical standards
... XML not data definition, but processing model of life cycle; when have behavior need script library to do that - been traditional problem
... bridging what Forms WG doing - how did we get from here to there

GJR: for the sub-section you outlined, i will provide prose as to how one could could repurpose from backend to deliver what is most appropriate/useable

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