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12:39:30 <josema> chair: john
12:39:55 <josema> scribe: benjamin
12:40:03 <josema> agenda+ Convene, agenda adjustments
12:40:21 <josema> agenda+ Introductions - new people onboard?
12:40:35 <josema> agenda+ F2F Meeting debrief
12:40:51 <josema> agenda+ Review of the Topic Areas
12:41:05 <josema> agenda+ Assign people (+use cases) to areas
12:41:18 <josema> agenda+ Next Meeting
12:41:20 <josema> agenda?
12:56:13 <josema> zakim, this will be egov
12:56:13 <Zakim> ok, josema; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
12:56:17 <josema> agenda?
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12:58:54 <Zakim> +Benjamin
12:59:53 <josema> trackbot, start telcon
12:59:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
12:59:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV
12:59:57 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM already started
12:59:58 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
12:59:58 <trackbot> Date: 29 October 2008
13:00:03 <josema> chair: john
13:00:07 <josema> scribe: benjamin
13:00:18 <josema> scribeNick: BeNg
13:00:31 <Zakim> -Benjamin
13:00:31 <Zakim> +Benjamin
13:00:31 <Zakim> +Josema
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13:01:48 <Zakim> +rachel
13:02:02 <Zakim> +owen
13:02:47 <Zakim> + +03161830aaaa
13:03:09 <josema> zakim, aaaa is martin
13:03:09 <Zakim> +martin; got it
13:03:55 <Tom> Tom has joined #egov
13:04:45 <Zakim> +Rinke
13:04:58 <Tom> Zakim, Rinke is Tom
13:04:58 <Zakim> +Tom; got it
13:05:25 <BeNg> no problem
13:05:35 <BeNg> josema : john and kevin will join later
13:05:45 <josema> zakim, move to next agendum
13:05:45 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene, agenda adjustments" taken up [from josema]
13:05:48 <BeNg> josema : I will be chairing
13:05:55 <BeNg> josema : any additions to agenda ?
13:06:03 <josema> agenda?
13:06:20 <Rachel> Rachel has joined #egov
13:06:43 <BeNg> josema : [goes through the agenda]
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13:07:07 <josema> move to next agendum
13:07:07 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Introductions - new people onboard?" taken up [from josema]
13:07:45 <BeNg> josema : is this Tom's first call ?
13:07:55 <martin> martin has joined #egov
13:07:56 <Tom> no it isn't
13:08:08 <josema> move to next agendum
13:08:08 <Zakim> agendum 3. "F2F Meeting debrief" taken up [from josema]
13:08:20 <josema> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2008Oct/0069
13:08:26 <Tom> unfortunately I couldn't be present in the F2F meeting, sorry for that...
13:08:29 <Zakim> + +0774702aabb
13:08:45 <josema> zakim, aabb is john
13:08:45 <Zakim> +john; got it
13:08:58 <BeNg> josema : message sent to the list with minutes
13:10:02 <josema> zakim, please mute john
13:10:02 <Zakim> john should now be muted
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13:10:49 <BeNg> josema : very broad, F2F big success
13:10:59 <BeNg> ... 12 areas identified where the group will work
13:11:03 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2008/10/24-egov-minutes#topics
13:11:08 <josema> summary of topic areas
13:11:34 <BeNg> ... most of the topics on the first day was scoping the work
13:11:49 <BeNg> ... newt day was review in detail the more complicated issues and assign people to specific areas
13:11:57 <BeNg> s/newt/next
13:12:16 <BeNg> ... eGov must act as a channel between governments and other W3C groups
13:12:48 <BeNg> ... if we hear of anything a gov needs, go and inform a group, conversely, see what W3C has to offer and tell this to govs
13:12:58 <josema> q?
13:13:49 <BeNg> martin : we narrowed down the issues to detailled subjects upon whch we can start working upon
13:14:15 <BeNg> ... will link to my document
13:14:34 <BeNg> ... issue of authentification shared by many governments
13:14:52 <BeNg> ... each provider offers its own authentication method
13:15:06 <BeNg> ... main problem is getting a proper ID to each citizen
13:15:14 <BeNg> ... and prevent identity fraud
13:15:34 <josema> zakim, unmute john
13:15:34 <Zakim> john should no longer be muted
13:15:56 <Tom> main problem seems to be conflict of interest between vendors. a semantic and technical interoperability solution should solve this
13:16:07 <martin> I cannot hear John
13:16:15 <josema> zakim, mute john
13:16:15 <Zakim> john should now be muted
13:16:23 <josema> zakim, drop john
13:16:23 <Zakim> john is being disconnected
13:16:24 <Zakim> -john
13:16:27 <josema> agenda?
13:16:48 <josema> q?
13:17:15 <Zakim> +john
13:18:00 <josema> zakim, mute john
13:18:00 <Zakim> john should now be muted
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13:18:08 <josema> move the next agendum
13:18:14 <josema> move to next agendum
13:18:14 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Review of the Topic Areas" taken up [from josema]
13:19:03 <Zakim> +john
13:19:22 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?
13:19:24 <Zakim> -john
13:19:32 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Benjamin (27%), john (5%), martin (43%)
13:19:35 <Zakim> + +34.98.439.aacc
13:19:48 <josema> zakim, aacc is oscar
13:19:48 <Zakim> +oscar; got it
13:20:17 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?
13:20:20 <martin> http://www.forumstandaardisatie.nl/fileadmin/OVOS/Exploring_authentication__EN.pdf
13:20:30 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: martin (27%), Tom (15%)
13:21:15 <josema> agenda?
13:21:38 <josema> ->http://www.w3.org/2008/10/24-egov-minutes#topics topic areas
13:21:58 <BeNg> josema : check is something is missing from topic areas
13:22:31 <BeNg> ... I found one missing over the WE
13:22:49 <BeNg> ... there already are volunteers to work on some topic areas
13:23:03 <BeNg> ... others not present can also contribute
13:23:35 <BeNg> ... go through all the topics ?
13:23:44 <Tom> why not
13:23:58 <Rachel> yes please
13:24:17 <josema> zakim, who's  here?
13:24:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see Benjamin, Josema, rachel, owen, martin, Tom, oscar
13:24:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see OCR, Rinke, martin, Rachel, Tom, Owen, BeNg, Zakim, RRSAgent, josema, kjetil, trackbot
13:24:43 <BeNg> josema : semantic interoperability
13:25:19 <martin> info on http://www.semic.eu/semic/
13:25:28 <BeNg> ... semic: european repository of interoperability assets (XML schemas)
13:25:34 <BeNg> ... used by governments in Europe
13:25:52 <BeNg> ... make assets reusable by others
13:26:16 <kjetil> Zakim, what is the code?
13:26:16 <Zakim> the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), kjetil
13:26:30 <Zakim> +??P1
13:26:35 <Tom> that doesn't sound like semantic interoperability to me but rather sharing data structure
13:26:44 <kjetil> Zakim, ??P1 is me
13:26:44 <Zakim> +kjetil; got it
13:27:06 <kjetil> Zakim, mute me
13:27:06 <Zakim> kjetil should now be muted
13:27:24 <BeNg> josema : it is difficult to involve semic.eu in the WG
13:27:30 <BeNg> ... it is not possible for them to joion W3C
13:27:42 <BeNg> ... have them as invited experts ?
13:27:57 <BeNg> ... they should bring semantic interoperability to the group.
13:29:08 <martin> q
13:29:13 <josema> q?
13:29:23 <BeNg> martin : tom points out this is not semantic interoperability
13:29:33 <BeNg> ... its supposed to becoma a base to semantic interoperability
13:29:46 <BeNg> ... the project started as an XML clearing house (?)
13:29:46 <josema> s/becoma/become
13:29:56 <josema> s/(?)//
13:30:11 <BeNg> ... the idea is now to collect assets and reuse them (or their methodology)
13:30:23 <BeNg> Tom : there are more interesting things going on in the legal field
13:30:34 <BeNg> ... criminal records for instance
13:30:54 <BeNg> ... it is important to go beyond structural information
13:31:21 <BeNg> martin : legal aspects are part of semic 
13:31:33 <BeNg> tom : not noticeable in the member states
13:31:53 <BeNg> tom : look at the ejustice field
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13:32:08 <BeNg> ... criminal records are supported by european directives member states must exchange criminal record
13:32:27 <BeNg> ... there is a need of exchanging the semantic of the criminal records, not just the structure
13:32:43 <BeNg> ... can not be understood just by looking at the terms
13:32:59 <BeNg> ... we must get compatibility with these records
13:33:08 <BeNg> s/get/achieve
13:33:26 <BeNg> josema : find people working on this and provide more information, build a use case around this example
13:33:45 <BeNg> ... add it into our document as an example of things going on
13:34:10 <BeNg> tom : 2 important conferences on this issue, one tomorrow inflorence
13:34:19 <BeNg> "law on tho internet" (?)
13:34:23 <Owen> In the U.S. government the sharing of law enforcement/first responder data is a major thrust, through the National Information Exchange Model (NIEM): http://www.niem.gov/
13:34:24 <josema> s/inflorence/ in Florence
13:34:54 <BeNg> [missed the other]
13:35:32 <BeNg> josema : 2nd topic : Persistent URIs
13:35:39 <Tom> http://www.ittig.cnr.it/LawViaTheInternet/
13:36:15 <BeNg> ... personnal experience : seems too technical for governments
13:36:21 <John> This is a topic very close to my heart - and an important one for the group - also for the W3C
13:36:27 <Tom> http://www.ictparliament.org/index.php?option=com_search&searchword=wor
13:36:27 <BeNg> ... the W3C must speak in better terms to governments
13:37:16 <BeNg> ... once something goes on the web it must be archived for ever
13:37:40 <BeNg> ... ie, internet archive
13:38:44 <BeNg> ... John volunteered on this topic.
13:39:03 <BeNg> josema : Topic 3 :  	Performance Data + Citizen Choice
13:39:16 <BeNg> ... noone volunteered at F2F
13:39:30 <BeNg> .. we had a long discussion, but we were not sure we were scoping the topic area enough
13:39:44 <BeNg> ... we discussed some example, health in the UK
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13:40:58 <Tom> also important for law cases (just had to release criminals since the original material could not be reproduced in appeal)
13:41:00 <Owen> US GPO's summary of results of its beta test of Handles is available at http://www.fdlp.gov/handles/index.html
13:41:33 <BeNg> ... publishing gov information in a way the consumers can get it and use it in the way they want
13:41:51 <Tom> My remark refers to preservation of digital data.
13:41:53 <BeNg> ... this can take place outside gov web sites
13:42:47 <BeNg> oscar : what is the perception of the data provided by govs to the users
13:43:14 <BeNg> ... ie, if you have a child and several schools they can attend, how is data made available ?
13:43:28 <BeNg> ... The data must be incorporated into decision making of citizens.
13:44:02 <BeNg> ... Information is also shared in C2C (citizen 2 citizen) communities
13:44:23 <BeNg> ... citizen must also be able to shared their experience so as to improve gov services
13:44:48 <Owen> An article on US LOC's use of PURLs is available at http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/law_librarian_blog/2008/10/lc-thomas-imple.html 
13:44:58 <BeNg> ... users can also created their own performance data, use the information in a specific way.
13:45:33 <Zakim> -martin
13:45:43 <BeNg> josema : topic 4 : Data Sharing Policy Expression
13:46:21 <BeNg> ... main example is the uk survey
13:46:35 <martin> my mobile went down, need to find an adapter
13:46:53 <BeNg> ... once data is available in an open format, it could be necessary to attach a policy (licence) to the data
13:47:40 <BeNg> ... ie, citizens can use the information for free, but a company that will use it for commercial purposes then it needs to pay
13:47:49 <BeNg> ... 1) how is data available
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13:48:08 <BeNg> ... 2) how to attach the policy
13:48:14 <Zakim> +martin
13:48:20 <BeNg> ... 3) verify that the organizations using the data are following the policies
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13:49:31 <BeNg> josema : Topic 5 : Digital Preservation + Authenticity + Temporal Degradation
13:49:48 <BeNg> ... persistent URIs, but not only
13:50:04 <BeNg> ... provenance problem also
13:50:17 <josema> q?
13:50:32 <BeNg> .. we compared how the paper world and digital worlds compare
13:50:44 <BeNg> s/compared/reviewed
13:51:21 <BeNg> ... another example is how to release information that was once classified after a period of time has gone by
13:51:28 <Owen> With reference to data sharing policy, the draft XSD for the US FEA DRM contains elements such as <AccessControlProtocol>, <AvailabilityLevel>, and <ConfidentialityLevel>. http://xml.gov/draft/drm20060105.xsd
13:51:29 <BeNg> ... and authentify the fact that data was not altered
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13:52:17 <BeNg> oscar : digital preservation concerns archives
13:52:27 <Zakim> -Tom
13:52:29 <Zakim> -Benjamin
13:52:29 <Zakim> -oscar
13:52:43 <BeNg> I have been cut off
13:52:51 <Tom> so have I
13:52:52 <josema> I see, tom and oscar, too :(
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13:53:12 <josema> zakim, who's here?
13:53:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josema, rachel, owen, kjetil (muted), martin
13:53:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see John, OCR, Rinke, martin, Rachel, Tom, Owen, BeNg, Zakim, RRSAgent, josema, kjetil, trackbot
13:53:17 <OCR> can't hear ..
13:53:28 <OCR> will hangup & join again
13:53:33 <josema> oscar, your phone was disconnected, can you dial in again?
13:53:35 <josema> ok
13:53:37 <Zakim> +Benjamin
13:53:47 <OCR> zakim, what is the code?
13:53:47 <Zakim> the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), OCR
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13:54:43 <Zakim> +oscar
13:55:21 <Zakim> +Tom
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13:56:33 <BeNg> oscar : check what the current solutions are : in particular data signatures
13:56:54 <BeNg> .. engage with W3C groups to see what is available concerning digital signatures
13:57:18 <BeNg> josema : it is the Nat archives core business
13:57:29 <John> Yup!
13:58:14 <josema> benjamin: use case proposed was copying encrypted document ??
13:58:18 <John> would be good to identify which W3C groups we should be talking to
13:58:22 <josema> ... I might contribute in that aspect
13:58:29 <BeNg> copying encrypted document on a large P2P network
13:59:03 <martin> Benjamin: to guarantee integrity over time
13:59:26 <BeNg> josema : build agendas in future meetings with invited guests
13:59:42 <BeNg> .. to interact with them, ie, XML data signatures
13:59:45 <John> thats a great idea
14:00:06 <BeNg> josema : Topic 6 : IPR Expession
14:00:21 <BeNg> ... licence attached to the data itself is one example
14:01:04 <John> Are people familiar with ACAP: http://www.the-acap.org/
14:01:24 <BeNg> josema : martin mentionned the creative comments licence
14:01:35 <Rinke> s/comments/commons
14:01:44 <BeNg> .. but this licence could be conflicting with the one used in the UK
14:01:52 <John> the licence and the technology (cc's use of RDFa) are very interesting
14:02:07 <BeNg> martin : yes, using creative comments restricts some rights granted with the licence used today
14:02:20 <BeNg> ... this could be linked to the differences between common law and civil law
14:02:26 <kjetil> q+
14:02:41 <kjetil> ack me
14:02:42 <josema> ack m
14:02:58 <kjetil> yeah, I can hear you
14:03:04 <kjetil> q-
14:03:11 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?
14:03:23 <Zakim> josema, listening for 11 seconds I could not identify any sounds
14:04:11 <kjetil> well, what I was going to say that what the license says and the technical aspects are different
14:04:34 <kjetil> so, the CC RDF/RDFa things could be used
14:05:04 <kjetil> even though one would need different URIs for the actual license permissions and restrictions
14:06:32 <kjetil> Zakim, mute me
14:06:32 <Zakim> kjetil should now be muted
14:06:57 <BeNg> josema : Topic 7 :  	Identification + Authentication
14:07:28 <BeNg> martin : see the report that identifies some of the issues to be dealt with
14:07:35 <BeNg> ... use this as a starting point
14:07:36 <josema> the report: http://www.forumstandaardisatie.nl/fileadmin/OVOS/Exploring_authentication__EN.pdf
14:08:09 <BeNg> martin : this is identified by the dutch gov as a serious problem
14:08:21 <BeNg> josema : topic 8 : Data Aggregation
14:09:00 <josema> benjamin: data from different points of view, government, citizen
14:09:17 <josema> ... how to get aggregated views of that data
14:09:36 <josema> ... use case eVoting, statistics on specific information, eg: health
14:10:01 <josema> martin: also criminal records
14:10:15 <josema> benjamin: put there on temporal degradation
14:10:30 <Owen> Policy guidance for U.S. federal agencies on a common means of identification & authentication is provided at http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/08/20040827-8.html
14:10:37 <BeNg> josema : topic 9 : Your Web Site is your API (eg. RDFa, sitemaps?)
14:11:07 <BeNg> RDFa and sitemaps (XML schema used to make content easier to discover by search engines)
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14:11:44 <BeNg> oscar : amount o fdata available in public organisations
14:11:55 <John> John has joined #egov
14:11:56 <BeNg> ... data is explosed in human readable format
14:12:08 <BeNg> ... we want to promote the use of this information in machine readable format
14:12:31 <BeNg> ... some experiences have already been done
14:12:48 <BeNg> martin : we are currently working in th NL on a search engine
14:13:04 <BeNg> ... to verify that the information retrieved by citizen from a web site is correct
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14:13:38 <BeNg> ... [something about disclaimers on how information is retrieved on the internet]
14:13:55 <BeNg> ... working on creating an RDF environment
14:14:15 <josema> q?
14:14:25 <BeNg> josema : topic 10 : What Data? How does the government decide?
14:14:46 <martin> A disclaimer on infomation found on government websites may in the future be legally binding
14:14:48 <BeNg> ... 1) how does the gov decide what data should be made available
14:15:03 <BeNg> ... in some countries like the US, there are laws in place stating this
14:15:12 <BeNg> ... in other countries (spain) this does not exist
14:15:24 <BeNg> ... 2) what's the best way to put the data out there
14:15:45 <BeNg> ... need to convince some govs of the benefic it has of providing the data
14:15:52 <BeNg> ... making a positive case to govs is difficult
14:16:00 <BeNg> ... find examples of things working right now
14:16:10 <Tom> Also in the NL: except if security or other interests of the state are on stake. Of course data on individuals/businesses is not accessible either.
14:16:23 <BeNg> ... BDPedia
14:16:38 <kjetil> s/BDPedia/DBPedia/
14:16:54 <josema> s/BDPedia/DBPedia
14:17:25 <josema> http://dbpedia.org
14:17:55 <BeNg> owen : in the US, under the electronic freedom act amendment
14:18:05 <BeNg> .. agencies must make available any record that are requested by one individual
14:18:11 <BeNg> ... and of interest for at least 3 others
14:18:25 <BeNg> ... agencies must make resonable efforts to share them in any format they are requested
14:18:40 <BeNg> ... the application is clear : agencies must create and maintain a readily shareable format, such as XML
14:19:06 <BeNg> ... if they do not do that they break the spirit of the law
14:19:52 <BeNg> josema : is the issue that they know how to publish in open formats but do not do it ?
14:20:00 <BeNg> ... or that they do not know how to publish in open format 
14:20:34 <BeNg> owen : several issues
14:20:55 <BeNg> ... long in responding to requests, agnecies claim they do not have the resources to make information available in a timely manner
14:21:15 <BeNg> ... sometimes this is true due to security issues, in other cases, it is a design issu problem with their information systems
14:21:27 <BeNg> josema : propose some guidelines to them
14:21:55 <BeNg> owen : they should start by publishing on their web site XML schemas for all their information collections
14:22:08 <BeNg> ... so we can understand what data they have and build a registry bottom up
14:22:29 <BeNg> ... once we have understood what information they have, we must then publish to what extent they are publishing said information
14:22:49 <BeNg> ... and take actions if they are not offering enough information
14:23:13 <BeNg> ... the data reference model is about sharing of data. I was a member of the  WG that produced this model
14:23:37 <BeNg> ... agencies must implement the DRM as XML Schema on their web sites
14:23:47 <BeNg> ... but they pushed back against the use of this global schema
14:23:54 <josema> rrsagent, pointer?
14:23:54 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/10/29-egov-irc#T14-23-54
14:23:55 <BeNg> ... they want to continue using their own formats
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14:24:23 <BeNg> josema : can use this as a use case ?
14:24:50 <BeNg> owen : finalizing the DRM for XML schema would be an outstanding effort
14:25:59 <josema> ACTION owen to draft XML Schema for DRM as use case to use it for 10. What data?
14:25:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-33 - Draft XML Schema for DRM as use case to use it for 10. What data? [on Owen Ambur - due 2008-11-05].
14:26:18 <BeNg> josema : topic 11 : Participation in Social Media; what are the rules ?
14:26:48 <BeNg> ... all sorts of social media one can think of, and how all this is evolving on the web, ie. twitter
14:27:18 <BeNg> ... blogs, are posters representing their agencies or not
14:27:54 <BeNg> ... citizens discussing many issues amongst themselves
14:28:21 <BeNg> ... UK and NZ example : a policy for the public servants
14:29:17 <josema> W3C workshop: http://www.w3.org/2008/09/msnws/
14:29:50 <BeNg> ... Karen Myers suggested the workshop above
14:30:12 <BeNg> ... John will draft a position paper on social networking
14:30:50 <BeNg> topic 12 : Temporal Data
14:30:50 <BeNg> Legislation/Legal (Law Reports)
14:30:50 <BeNg> Geospatial
14:31:27 <josema> benjamin: what to do with evolution of data?
14:32:06 <josema> ... if should be possible to refer to specific revisions of a document
14:32:45 <josema> ... and how link to that in a consistent manner
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14:32:53 <josema> move to next agendum
14:32:53 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Assign people (+use cases) to areas" taken up [from josema]
14:33:23 <BeNg> josema : do this by email
14:33:54 <josema> agenda?
14:34:27 <BeNg> ... deadline : mid november : topic areas should be fixed
14:34:32 <BeNg> .. and at least one use case per area
14:34:45 <BeNg> ... not something too deatailled for the moment
14:34:48 <josema> move to next agendum
14:34:48 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Next Meeting" taken up [from josema]
14:35:14 <BeNg> josema : next meeting 12 nov
14:35:22 <BeNg> ... at 1500 CET
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14:35:49 <Zakim> -kjetil
14:35:57 <Rinke> bye
14:36:00 <josema> [ADJOURNED]
14:36:01 <Zakim> -owen
14:36:05 <Zakim> -rachel
14:36:06 <Zakim> -Tom
14:36:06 <Zakim> -oscar
14:36:16 <Zakim> -martin
14:36:18 <John> sorry for being "on/off"!
14:36:18 <Zakim> -Benjamin
14:36:23 <BeNg> anything to do to draft minutes jose ?
14:36:36 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:36:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/29-egov-minutes.html josema
14:36:37 <Zakim> -Josema
14:36:38 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended
14:36:39 <Zakim> Attendees were Benjamin, Josema, rachel, owen, +03161830aaaa, martin, Tom, +0774702aabb, john, +34.98.439.aacc, oscar, kjetil
14:36:57 <josema> thanks much benjamin! :)
14:36:57 <Tom> Tom has left #egov
14:37:01 <josema> I take care of cleaning and publishing them
14:37:07 <BeNg> ok great !
14:37:20 <josema> john, I hope I did not miss anything important
14:37:28 <BeNg> bye all
14:37:34 <John> you did a great job Jose!
14:37:51 <josema> it took me more than expected to get to the last agendum so still some topic areas without volunteers
14:37:58 <BeNg> BeNg has left #egov
14:38:35 <josema> I'll put the areas somewhere in the wiki, and I hope you could take a look at the Activity Plan and change as appropriate
14:38:41 <josema> we need to update it
14:38:55 <John> good idea - and I agree
14:40:02 <josema> zakim, bye
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16:03:19 <josema> rrsagent, bye
16:03:20 <RRSAgent> I see no action items